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Going to school on the southside of Glasgow in the 70s ken was used
Err, naw thae dinnae and wi'd chib any tube daft enuff to utter it....in those days you'd never hear it west of Harthill.
I'd also recommend Shuggie McBain as a read if you want to get into Glasgae culture
I'm west of Paisley, 'Ken' disnae stert until Ayrhsire.
Speaking as one who policed in and around the 2nd city of the empire for three decades, I've never, ever been called a 'bizzie'. 5-Oh and Po-Po are both currently popular, as is feds, with filth, scum, Black b'strds, c***s and fannies also used by Buckie soaked wearers of Kappa shell suits and fake Burberry caps.
Hang on which character is Josh?
The mad daftie on the mushies?
Have a look on BBC I player there are 2 great Scot dialect programmes one about swearing and rebel tongue about Scot dialect
Grew up in a g postcode* so happy to help. And to confirm Cops are The Feds, Polis or 5-0.
Post some more up and I can help translate.
*ok so far more like bearsden than springburn but still i know a lot of proper weegies
NB if you haven't mentioned a bottle of bucky, someones da being on the brew and drinking bru then no one will believe its set in Glasgae.
This is a great thread.
Telling people they're 'at it' is popular IME. 🙂 I've only ever hear polis for police.
We’re not savages.
🤔
stevemuzzy
Free Member
Glasgae.
Chookter alarm bells gin aff here! 😆
Absolutely no one in Glasgow says ken, not a chance.
Or glesgae. 😆
he grew up in Springburn but his family moved to Bearsden
A fantasy novel then?
Great thread, but PMSL at this ^^^. Keep it coming OP (please)....
Nobeerinthefridge
Free Member
Absolutely no one in Glasgow says ken, not a chance.
Or glesgae. 😆
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Weegieland or Glasgae for me. Maw born in Maryhill. So get it up ye fannybaws 😉
And @seosamh77 yer da w***s tae scooter ya muppet. Calling me inglish, pure pish patter.
What glaswegian shampoo called? go and wash 🙂
Just grab yersen an Irvine Welsh book. Any one. It’s Edinburgh dialect likesay bit nae **** will ken.
Hen not ken 🙂
Always call women hen or doll
Just to confirm - no “Ken” in glasgow, Ayrshire or east side. I’d also say all your “romantic” broons style Scots doesn’t sound genuine - it sounds like an Englishman pretending to be Scots without understanding the subtleties. May only offend the Scots (and maybe only half of them) but people like books about places they know...
I also don’t think your character in the first quote says he’s sorry about his friends dad. Glaswegian men do not express emotions to other Glaswegian men, except about the fitba. He may say something like “that was shit what happened tae yir da” but he won’t be sorry. They also don’t “fancy” going to do anything (other than burds) - “ye wanna go find some mushies” might be appropriate; although I’d say it’s not the normal drug of choice in Glasgow, and I don’t think they’d describe it by the act of foraging the crop rather than the destination - “i wannae go get some mushies an get aff ma face, ya comin?”
When is it set? Polis would be normal for anyone who hasn’t grown up in the YouTube era (so probably born late 90s onwards) after that you'll hear feds etc creeping in - but polis wouldn’t be out of place.
For your sas comment I’d go with something like “whit the **** are you wearing, we cannae go like that, we’ll stan oot like the Pope at Ibrox”
Busies is common usage in Edinburgh. never heard po po or feds used by a native.
That's becus there urnae any!
Q. Whit d'ye cry a Scotsman in Edinburgh?
A. A tourist.
🙂
This smacks of middle class Scottish people pretending to know working class Glaswegian.
Glasgae used by people not from Glasgow trying to sound Glaswegian. Think russ abbot. And not to be confused with our annual celebration of homosexuality glasgay.
James Kelman is your go to for an authentic Glasgow voice.
5-0 comes from the Wire and not Glaswegian.
Just to confirm – no “Ken” in glasgow, Ayrshire or east side.
I lived in Ayr for 3 years - the farm staff finished every sentence with 'ken.
This smacks of middle class Scottish people pretending to know working class Glaswegian.
Glasgae used by people not from Glasgow trying to sound Glaswegian. Think russ abbot. And not to be confused with our annual celebration of homosexuality glasgay.
Yup. Though it's nowt to do with class, more one of geography, despite spending a lot of time in Glasgow, I'm not from there so wouldn't attempt to inform the OP.
Then you've Leith's answer to Rod Stewart questioning yer average weegies washing habits, when he's still lives in a tennement, no even got carpets and his wife makes his claes. 😆
Remember Glasgow is a really big place. Lots of cultural diversity and language differences. Lots of different levels of class and people had local variations on everything.
My mum was born and grew up in Maryhill and I was raised in a wee village 15 miles north of the city centre where my mum met my dad when she moved north of the city.
Lived in a council house till I was 21.
Russ Abbott I am not....
Michty me!
Chaos and disharmony reigns amongst the Glesgae punters.
My work here is done, ken?
Tune in same time next week for the new episode of "Yer no' a real weegie" where we'll discuss Roasted Cheese, whit ye'd call an empty Irn Bru bottle and what the correct term for an Ice Cream van is.
Roasted cheese or cheesy roaster?
It's all getting a bit "I used to get up in the morning at night at half-past-ten at night, half an hour before I went to bed, Eat a lump of freezing cold poison, work 28 hours a day at mill, and pay da mill owner to let us work there. And when I went home our dad used to murder us in cold blood, each night, and dance about on our graves, singing hallelujah."
(not going to try and translate into wedgie!)
Roasted cheese is a Kraft type cheese slice on toast innit? If you were posh the bread was toasted on both sides 😛
A teacher was lecturing his class in Glasgow one day. “In English,” he said, “a double negative forms a positive. In some languages though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative.
However,” he pointed out, “there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative.”
Wee Jimmy pipes up from the back of the class “Aye, right.”
Stanley Baxter - Parliamo Glasgow - Mia Farra's farra, the marra & the barra
Roasted cheese is a Kraft type cheese slice on toast innit?
Roasted cheese, Toasted cheese, cheese on toast. It's all the same. Any bread any cheese.
It's an example of linguistic geographical indictor that betrays your true roots.
I, for example, as a dyed in the wool resident of deepest darkest Lanarkshire, would have thought it perfectly normal as a child to eat some roasted chesse and then take a hector to the tally to buy a black man.
A true Weegie would be more likely eat toasted cheese instead and then deposit their gless cheque at the van in exchange for a double nugget.
TJ, on the other hand would have Welsh Rarebit and would follow it up with an artisan Gelato.
However,” he pointed out, “there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative.”
Wee Jimmy pipes up from the back of the class “Aye, right.”
Would that not be sarcasm, though? as opposed to a double positive being a negative?
This smacks of middle class Scottish people pretending to know working class Glaswegian.
Unless your definition of middle class is anyone who isn't a weegie I'd say you're well off the mark there.
Glasgae used by people not from Glasgow trying to sound Glaswegian.
I'd honestly never heard the word until the whole Glasgay thing started, always referred to as Glesga.
I lived in Ayr for 3 years – the farm staff finished every sentence with ‘ken.
Where abouts? I'm Ayrshire all my days, grew up in Troon, my mum was from Prestwick and her folks from Ayr and Dalmellington. Never heard ken used as punctuation (like a Fife/Forth eh/ih) but it's a big place. Nobody in the North seems to use it that way either.
Leith’s answer to Rod Stewart
Harsh 😂
I’m Ayrshire all my days,
In which case you'll think that the number seven has about 6 e's in it and that the number 2 has an a in it.
Seeeven and tway, ken?
Never heard ken used as punctuation (like a Fife/Forth eh/ih)
Neither have I but I have often heard it (and used it) as a synonym for know.
I lived in Ayr for 3 years – the farm staff finished every sentence with ‘ken.
Where abouts?
I lived and studied / worked at the Hannah Research Institute, opposite Auchincruive (from '89-'92).
The farm staff were locals and used 'ken.
Many of the techs were also local but did not.
Seeeven and tway, ken?
Only East Ayrshire, oot past Mauchline, you won't hear anyone else say twae. Ken would be used as in 'a ken, luck at him, he's a right stauner', never as a you say at the end, like my mates from Sauchie that say eh? at the end of every sentence, like a question.
Seeven, aye, guilty. 🙂
The farm staff were locals and used ‘ken.
Aye, the farmers are a different breed, I work with one from Darvel (Dervel!) and one from out by Maccruiskeen I haven't a clue what either of them are on about most of the time. Hannah now long gone, new houses there these days.
and one from out by Maccruiskeen
Naebody oot there pays road tax.
Can confirm that as an Ayrshire boy, when I first moved to Glasgow 20 years ago, I got torn to shreds by my workmates whenever I said "ken"
Seeven, aye, guilty.
What about "ablow"?
as in ...."Where's the dug?....It's in ablow the table"
Are you guilty of that one as well?
Seeven, not so much myself but its common enough. Twae on the other hand, nope. Twa wher ah come fae.
If you want a universal Ayrshire [Errshir?] tell it would probably be gadz, never heard it used or even understood elsewhere. My missus didn't like me saying it in front of the wean cos she thought it was cursing 😂
Neither have I but I have often heard it (and used it) as a synonym for know.
Same.
Heard of ablow, never heard it used though. What about pruch /pruchin? As in, pit yer pruch doon an gies a haun / Jimmy's ower the [work] stores pruchin fir battery's.
The problen that I have is that I am a complete language sponge. I absorb the vocabularly and inflection of theose around me almost instantly. It's left me with a mongrel vocabulary.
My wife can pretty much tell who's been working in our office when I come home just based on the way I'm speaking.
She hated it when I worked with an Australian and a Zimbabwean.
perchypanther
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Roasted cheese is a Kraft type cheese slice on toast innit?Roasted cheese, Toasted cheese, cheese in toast. It’s all the same. Any bread any cheese.
It’s an example of linguistic geographical indictor that betrays your true roots.
I, for example, as a dyed in the wool resident of deepest darkest Lanarkshire, would have thought it perfectly normal as a child to eat some roasted chesse and then take a hector to the tally to buy a black man.
A true Weegie would be more likely eat toasted cheese instead and then deposit their gless cheque at the van in exchange for a double nugget.
TJ, on the other hand would have Welsh Rarebit and would follow it up with an artisan Gelato.
😆
bang on, bar one exception, it's toast an cheese or cheese on toast. 😆
btw technically I'm no glesga either, in free ruggie, so even my south east dialect will have differences!
If you want a universal Ayrshire
Doubt such a thing exists.
The dialects can be markedly different even over short distances.
The Airdrie punters are only seven miles away from here and they talk a whole different language from me.
My missus is bad for that, I do it too but to a lesser extent.
5-0 comes from the Wire and not Glaswegian.
OT: Surely that originally came from Hawaii 5-0?
Seeeven, twae, ken and neeebor are common within the "Drungan' Triangle'.
I believe should be your prime research material
I lived in Malawi for 20 odd years then ended up at college in Easterhouse after I left home.
it took my 3 to 4 months to understand full sentences and 10 years on, being mostly based in the eastend, I still struggle with thick accents and really if you get chatting to some of the jakeball junkies it's basically a continuous incomprehensible slur.
I know it sounds mainstream and perhaps not authentic but Kevin bridges sounds like your man. He captures so much of the Glaswegian character and dumbs it down so that even us English folk get to laugh along as well. Could be the happy medium for your readers.
Seeeven, twae, ken and neeebor are common within the “Drungan’ Triangle
There's nae triangles in a flute bon.
I've lived in Ayrshire for 45 years, and I've never been, and never plant to go, to Drungin.
F'sake gei'sa brek, ye'zil nee'eh talk posh or nae' c*nt'll gerrit.
Oi ya roasters!
Way back when I was at school in Glasgow which was the local comp - Hillpark for anyone that knows it. Both my pal Jims mother and my girlfriends mother would make us cheese on toast - which was a piece of toast out of the toaster with a slice of Kraft cheese on top. Jim lived in Arden and his parents were as blue collar as they come. My girlfriend lived in Milngavie and her parents were white collar - but cheese on toast was the same.
I never heard the term roasted cheese - maybe that was for the proper posh folk which I suspect some of you were. I mean did blue collar folk raise panthers?
I've never used cheese slices for anything other than a burger in ma puff. 😆
ffs my cheese on toast these days usually includes tomatoes, basil and a balsamic glaze. 😆
As I suspected. Posh.
If am posh the world is f'd 😆
Roasted cheese.... = Camembert with carmelized onion on a bit of bruschetta. A few heavily garlic'd olives on the side.
Don't mind if I do.
I'd a job in the 90s reading meters in Drungin and ither pairts o Ayrshire. However I really did have job reading the meters in Drungin some wee nyaff had burnt a the street signs and I had nae idea where the f.. I wis. So I went and got another job.
Ohhhhhhhhhh fancy!
As I suspected. Posh.
Exactly. 😛 I have a mate from east Glasgow and his version of roasted cheese was white bread with cheese slice on top, under the grill.
I never heard the term roasted cheese – maybe that was for the proper posh folk which I suspect some of you were. I mean did blue collar folk raise panthers?
Roastit cheese here, but I dunno where it originated from, mum from Bridge of Allan, Dad an ayrshireman. And it was always cheddar, never plastic cheese! Plastic cheese was too dear!
Blue collar is an american thing, There's nothing in Ayrshire but working class, all of us! 🙂
Just looked, cheapest cheese slices from Aldi are almost half the price per kilo of the cheapest cheddar. So now who's the posho!
I lived in Ayr for 3 years – the farm staff finished every sentence with ‘ken.
just re-read the way I wrote what you replied to - I was saying not in Glasgow, you'll need to go to Ayrshire or travel East to hear Ken being used commonly. Probably didn't come across like that.
I never heard the term roasted cheese – maybe that was for the proper posh folk which I suspect some of you were. I mean did blue collar folk raise panthers?
Roasted cheese is definitely not posh. I'm from Glasgow and would call it toasted cheese (but frequently heard it called cheese on toast), I'd never heard roasted cheese before meeting my wife (from much closer to Edinburgh -- she's definitely NOT posh. I'm not sure if that's the local lingo in Lothians or if it comes from her mother's side who is originally from Ayrshire; I assume these things probably are more likely to pass within families rather than localities.
Tongs ya bass.
Just looked, cheapest cheese slices from Aldi are almost half the price per kilo of the cheapest cheddar. So now who’s the posho!
Not in 1985 they weren't cheaper!
stavaigan
That takes me back!
I mean did blue collar folk raise panthers?
It would seem so.
I'm a scheme rat made good.
Nobeerinthefridge
Not in 1985 they weren’t cheaper!
aye new fangled american cheese. 😆 Probly didnae even see a cheese slice till '88! 😆
aye new fangled american cheese. 😆 Probly didnae even see a cheese slice till ’88! 😆
Exactly, was only the folk in spam valley that had such 'luxuries' as fake cheese! haha
My pal in Arden which is hardly spam valley did in the mid 70s. Me the posh boy from muirend had never seen it before
There’s nothing in Ayrshire but [s]working class[/s] scum, all of us! 🙂
FTFY
I’d a job in the 90s reading meters in Drungin and ither pairts o Ayrshire. However I really did have job reading the meters in Drungin some wee nyaff had burnt a the street signs and I had nae idea where the f.. I wis. So I went and got another job.
One of my workmates used to work for the council electrical department, he was doing lamp posts in Kilmarnock when he spotted a postie on his bike. The guy would cycle to the end of the path, jump off, wheel it up the steps, post the letters, wheel it back down, jump back on and repeat. This went on for a few days and eventually curiosity got the better of him so he stopped him asked him why he was doing that. Turned out he'd lost three bikes in the scheme (can't remember if it was that one or new farm) already that month and was on a written warning.
I used to have a milk round in Ardrossan SK, the flats behind Glasgow street down at the marina, Montgomery street, had no numbers, as they'd all been pulled off. I got to the stage I just left milk at anyones door!
I’m from Glasgow and would call it toasted cheese (but frequently heard it called cheese on toast),
Was beginning to think I was alone with this one - definitely toasted cheese in this house.
Does anyone have a rough estimate of how many different spam valleys there are in the area? The one I know of is in Lenzie..... but suspiciously close to Kirkie
Spam valley to me was always Bearsden / Milgavie. Kirkie was not when I lived there ( my family moved from Muirend to strathblane to Kirkintilloch) but that being 45 years ago i guess the demographic could have changed
Spam Valley to me was were the folk desperate to look posh moved to and spent all their money on a mortgage so only had money left for spam not real meat. So Bearsden / Milgavie but not strathblane as they were even posher. Kirkie when i was there was pretty working class I thought
Spam valley was never a town, it was generally an area of town, a bridging area that folk from cooncil hooses moved to and looked down their noses at their old neighbours. It was generally a Wimpey type estate (they'd never call it a scheme!).
It's never really changed, the new estates on the edge of town I grew up in are full of folks that have now 'made it' 🙂
mashr - spam valley isn't specific to an area, its just any area perceived by its neighbours as having overpriced housing (such that you could only afford to eat spam if you actually lived there).
Yup, hence the Spam Valley in Lenzie, and I think I’d heard of Milngavie being one too. Can’t just be an East Dumbartonshire thing though?
Can’t just be an East Dumbartonshire thing though?
Definitely not. Ditto, corned beef county, fur coat and nae knickers etc.
Spam valley was never a town, it was generally an area of town, a bridging area that folk from cooncil hooses moved to and looked down their noses at their old neighbours. It was generally a Wimpey type estate (they’d never call it a scheme!).
Yeah but my Ayrshire town was so shit we had to borrow a spam valley from the next town over. There was no room for spam valleys in Stevenston the nearest was Whitehurst Park in Kilwinning!
This thread is nearly as hard to read as Trainspotting
Yeah but my Ayrshire town was so shit we had to borrow a spam valley from the next town over. There was no room for spam valleys in Stevenston the nearest was Whitehurst Park in Kilwinning!
They managed to wedge one in at the edge by Ardeer!
I thought folk from that end aspired to Ardrossan though.
OT: Surely that originally came from Hawaii 5-0?
Aye, the reference was that Hawaii is the 50th state.
I thought folk from that end aspired to Ardrossan though.
Ooft, the Three Toons Riviera, a marina and an ASDA, a man can dream.
Growing up I'm pretty sure most sensible folk in the "Boatem End" of Stevenston aspired to be anywhere else.
To be fair, I spent a bit of time down there during the summer and its a lot nicer than i remember. Its got a genuinely lovely beach and a lot of new housing has replaced the horrible stuff I remember from growing up.
I wouldn't say its fully gentrified but the locals have (mostly) stopped mugging the gentry.