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Well my girls are now in floods of tears at the thought that this week could be their days at school and that A levels may not take place.
Bollocks.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 6:52 pm
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Have 1200 other people in your office do you? A large percentage of whom decide to ignore advice on handwashing etc.

Hyperbole. (Which isn’t helpful.)

You’re not exposing yourself to the whole population of the school, are you? No more than someone who lives next to the school and has the 1200 kids walking past. You’re exposing yourself to your class(es) – which is a higher risk than in my office, granted. And even that risk can be ameliorated by sensible management.

Yes you are ... that's hundreds of kids touching the same doors/handrails etc. (not to mention pencils, library books etc. etc.) all one after the other...

Hundreds of kids for many handwashing is a foreign concept and sticking fingers, pens etc. in mouths (or noses) happens all the time.

1200 kids walking past .. unless they are spitting in your garden or gate has virtually no risk and if you're sensible and want to be cautious you'll open the gate with a disposable item.

I asked my 10yr old (earlier) about hand washing and doors/rails... the school either hadn't mentioned it or totally failed to get this across... and despite or perhaps because he was so upset this morning he and I totally forgot his hand gel (that he took out of his school bag last night and put into his guitar case)

Its the combined result of these that makes schools are such a likely transmission vector. I'm not going to name companies but I know one has a handrail rule (zero accident place) I've been told it has put both regular cleaning measures in place and disinfectant at the top and bottom of each handrail in the company for example.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 7:24 pm
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Nothing on any of the exam board websites except WJEC, looks like they weren't prepared for this announcement either, typical Johnson create a mess for others to fix.

 
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This makes sense. If it’s possible to keep something going for GCSE and A level students then it would be great.

I can see It's rather disappointing for them but they will defer and/or make alternative arrangements. [based on what happens]

Regardless of anything else it will be public opinion suicide not to

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 7:30 pm
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Genuinely sorry for all the GCSE and A-Level kids who’ve had the rug pulled from under them 🙁

I’ve told my boys that kids of key workers will still be going to school even though all their mates are not. And that since they’ve got a nurse and a policeman, they’ll be going on weekends too. Now my wife’s angry that I made the little one cry.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 7:35 pm
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Rather disappointing, you've clearly got no idea, this was an idiotic decision which will impact hundreds of thousands of children. The system doesn't have capacity to defer the exams.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 7:35 pm
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It's very unsettling for a significant number of students who have had nothing but revise, prepare and it will be worth it for months. I think this decision will be "refined" over the next few days.
My school will be open for key workers and there was nothing about staff staying at home, most students yes, staff no. No reason why exams could not go ahead in the 50 empty classrooms with staff and 10 students in each.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 7:49 pm
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Wally that's exactly what I expected to happen, a proportionate response. Now Johnson has shot his mouth off all hell will break loose. He didnt actually say exams were cancelled, he said they wouldnt be in May & June, still nothing from the exam boards (wife is an exam officer), I have a mental picture of people t JCQ with their heads in their hands.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 8:07 pm
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BJ said exams postponed (pretty sure) while the BBC had a ticker running along the bottom of the screen saying exams were cancelled!!
ITV saying they're not happening.

You would have thought they'd do anything they could to keep the exams going.
(Never thought I'd hear myself say that!!)

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 8:33 pm
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My two were gutted that mum is a keyworker, depending on which definition is used 😄

They'll be at home. Aged 13 and 16. Youngest has offered to cook if we're at work, eldest can learn how the washing machine works at last - he can iron already, tbf

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 8:42 pm
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So BBC more saying that exams won't take place in x this academic year"
Does that leave the fort open for September exams with Uni first year not starting until after Xmas?
The first year is a bit of a waste of time, academically, anyway.
Maybe convert to a 2.5 year course.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 9:27 pm
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Posted : 18/03/2020 9:34 pm
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The first year is a bit of a waste of time, academically, anyway.
Maybe convert to a 2.5 year course.

I fear you're overlooking the drugs and shagging elements of the curriculum

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 9:38 pm
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I fear you’re overlooking the drugs and shagging elements of the curriculum

Good point, well made!

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 9:43 pm
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I had done until just then!!
Eldest is coming back from Leeds on Friday and not expecting to go back again until September.
Ignoring the drinking, etc the 5 hours a week she's at lectures is pretty rediculous.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 9:46 pm
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I’ve told my boys that kids of key workers will still be going to school even though all their mates are not. And that since they’ve got a nurse and a policeman, they’ll be going on weekends too. Now my wife’s angry that I made the little one cry.

Hopefully. My OH is head teacher of a special school who's pupils will still need to attend +any NHS kids etc too. However she lost so many staff members before this that the ones who now need to be off to look after their own kids will make it virtually impossible to achieve

 
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My Mrs is a SENCo and Science teacher in a big secondary School.
They only had 45% attendance today - before the Government announced anything.
She's not very impressed with the perceived chaos but thinks whatever the government did would be wrong.
She things the GCSEs + A-Levels will be scrapped and kids awarded grades based on mock exam data - she also thinks the Government have jumped the gun on this as they didn't need to say anything about exams for a couple of days until they had a strategy - which they clearly don't have today.

Regarding keeping the schools open for key workers kids + those with EHCPs/vulnerable kids - the issue you have here is many of those 'vulnerable' kids will have/or live in a house with someone with one of those underlying health conditions.
However, some of those 'vulnerable' kids only ever get fed at school and come from horrendous home lives - throwing them back into the community will have dire consequences.
Damned if you do - damned if you don't...

The word on the street is schools maybe closed for sometime - end of April at the earliest - which is going to cause Chaos.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 9:50 pm
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So, the many thousands of teachers who will be at home from Friday evening, likely until August - what will they be asked to do to earn their salaries ?

Yes, some will still be teaching front line workers kids, and some will be settings and checking online remote work, but surely the majority will have little to do ?

 
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Hopefully. My OH is head teacher of a special school who’s pupils will still need to attend +any NHS kids etc too. However she lost so many staff members before this that the ones who now need to be off to look after their own kids will make it virtually impossible to achieve

Yeah it won’t be easy. To be fair we can probably juggle it with some shift changes whatever happens. We have four small (between 15 and 65 kids) primary schools in the area so they’d probably just use one. I don’t know. Don’t envy the teachers/heads trying to sort all this.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 10:00 pm
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So, the many thousands of teachers who will be at home from Friday evening, likely until August – what will they be asked to do to earn their salaries ?

We've already had emails around asking for transferable skills such as driving HGV's, personal care, admin, food hygiene or nursing skills.

Looks like councils in Scotland are planning big style to make full use of the teachers and EY educators.

Those employed by the privatised/academised system in England may have a different experience.

 
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So, the many thousands of teachers who will be at home from Friday evening, likely until August – what will they be asked to do to earn their salaries ?

Yes, some will still be teaching front line workers kids, and some will be settings and checking online remote work, but surely the majority will have little to do ?

When you remove all those who are self-isolating (either due to their own health or a family member)
i reckon pretty much everyone who's left will be working.
There are a lot of key workers kids if we're including lorry drivers, teachers and most of the civil service.
If they need to provide schooling for the EHCP/vulnerable kids they need more staff than your average grammar school class.
Some schools had already closed due to staff shortages.
I'm pretty sure there won't be many teachers relaxing in front of the TV with a glass of veno next week.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 10:06 pm
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SQA decision on exams expected soon. General consensus is they'll go ahead. But Swinney will make it up tomorrow.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 10:15 pm
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My lad's college have emailed out that there will be no exams and they are awaiting details of how grades will be awarded.

The little swot is hoping it's on expected grades.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 10:26 pm
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I for one hope they will all be relaxing.

Having to deal with 32 kids all day every day must be very, very hard.

I've got two and can barely cope at the best of times!

Absolute legends, the lot of them...

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:14 pm
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I expect a lot of teachers will be rushing around trying to do some distance learning on untried systems. Impression I get is that college is closed, but learning continues

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:17 pm
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I for one hope they will all be relaxing.

Having to deal with 32 kids all day every day must be very, very hard.

I’ve got two and can barely cope at the best of times!

Absolute legends, the lot of them…

Thank you, I nice to know some people appreciate us 😉

The amount of bile aimed at us and the 'don't the lazy bastards get enough holiday already?!' comments I've already seen has been depressing.

We're yet to hear what will be happening, but alongside organising distance learning, I suspect we'll be in school at least part-time on baby-sitting duty. So no social-distancing for us!

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:21 pm
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So this is part of a document we got today. As a teacher I know you think I sit on my arse and do duck all all day then swan off home early to plan my summer holiday. Not that it matters I've written and marked exams for three exam classes this week as well as gathered evidence of the grade they are working at. On top of that I've taught every class I would normally and covered for others. I'm currently trying to plan for the coming weeks.

As a general rule :

· Teachers should plan ‘home learning lessons’ in place of each of the in-school lessons they would normally teach. So, for example, if a teacher teaches a class twice a week in school, they should plan two home learning lessons for students in this class.

· Each home learning lesson should be planned to last approximately 45-minute lessons.

· Teachers should plan lessons, rather than discreet activities. Typically, lessons should include:

1. A clear learning intention

2. A retrieval practice activity (such as a quiz which assesses recent and less recent learning)

3. High-quality resources which students can access to learn new material (such as reading, video presentations, PowerPoint presentations etc.)

4. Relevant practice activities

5. A task which assesses student learning towards the end of the 45 minute lesson

Lessons should be planned in ‘blocks’, so that they link to one another (as opposed to them being ‘stand-alone’ entities).

· Towards the end of each week, month and/or topic, there should be an assessment activity of some kind. Through this, students should be asked to demonstrate their learning over this period. Results can be tracked.

· Teachers should be available to help students and answer any questions they have, between 9am and 4pm, Monday – Thursday, and 9am – 1pm on a Friday.

· Students should contact teachers for help using MS Teams or by Glow e-mail. Teachers should reply within a reasonable timeframe. Typically, this would be at some point on the same or the next working day.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:21 pm
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I’m pretty sure there won’t be many teachers relaxing in front of the TV with a glass of veno next week.

I've had my microsoft teams training and I'm looking at the schemes of work I'm expected to be teaching. There's a hell of a lots of resource generation to go from old skool to new skool I've got to get my head around. If I was after an easy life, believe me I wish the little bleeders were still going to be in front of me. I might actually like it in the end but it looks like a mountain of work right now.

If the parents will generate the discipline to put them in front of their computers to follow the lessons is another thing entirely!

 
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Oh yeah forgot to mention that none of that distance learning lesson currently exists but needs to be in ace for Monday

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:23 pm
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I was so proud of my pupils today. This afternoon I registered my yr 9 tutor group and clarified the school closure as far as I was aware. They were calm and sensible and desperately keen to know more about what it means to them. Last lesson of the day I was with Yr 11 who are very exam oriented at the moment. At that time the 'no exams' announcement had not been made. The class was calm, sensible and wholly engaged with the situation.

One of them said 'this is going to be taught in books, this is 'history''. I agree.

I suspect that my role as a teacher is going to change into one of a 'Public Servant'. I'm happy to do this, I feel that I have a duty to do so. I can be a grumpy old git who quietly moans at a variety of injustices but I believe that I need to do what I can to support my pupils and my community.

If children need to be cared for to allow their parents to fulfill key roles I can see the logic of using staff who have already been exposed to those children (and vice versa). Yes, children may well be super- spreaders but who better to try to provide some kind of supervision/ guidance in the absence of parents and carers than those already tasked and paid to do so? Especially if they have already all been exposed to each other?

As time goes by I may well change my views, things are moving so fast.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:24 pm
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I expect a lot of teachers will be rushing around trying to do some distance learning on untried systems.

Yep. And they're busy making distance learning packs for each pupil. They have plenty to do.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:29 pm
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Distance learning will be dependent upon the resilience of the systems, as suggested above. and also dependent upon the resilience of the staff tasked to do so, some of whom may well have never, ever been exposed to any event even vaguely approaching this.

 
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My question around what the teachers will be doing was a genuine one and by no means a dig. The replies are informative, especially as my youngest, who is at secondary school in Glasgow area had no idea any of this was being in place.

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:37 pm
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After leaving work yesterday (asthma) I spent all day at my desk at home today organising distance learning work for my Y12 and Y13 classes. It turns out that sitting at my desk typing is a hell of a lot easier than teaching - maybe I should have got one of those desk jobs I've heard about.

I'm really hoping that the A level exams run in some form, because I really don't want the responsibility of choosing which kids do or don't get into their preferred uni.

If it was me, I'd run the exams in September. For my subject, physics, the six hours of exams could be turned into a pair of three hour papers, each covering the whole curriculum. Students could then sit one or both of them at either end of September depending upon illness.

Time for this could be got through not moving up a year until the end of October. Uni's could start in January.

But what do I know? I'm sure that whatever Johnson/Cummings figure out on the back of an envelope tomorrow morning will be awesome.

It's a shame that they got rid of modular A levels, eh?

 
Posted : 18/03/2020 11:48 pm
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Closing schools isn't just going to mean provision for kids of key workers though is it? Colleague of mine already found it hard with him and wife working to sort out child care. They relied on kids being at breakfast club, school, after school group, etc. A lot of folks won't simply be able to say they can't come to work 'cos they've got to look after the kids.

 
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Schools up here aren't going to be closing completely. While its fluid and they may do at some point, some of us will be in to supervise children of key workers.There is possibly measures also being implemented for those for whom being in the building is the best place for them, there is certainly a worry over how to get their free meal to them. Remote classrooms set up and populated with resources and now it's up to the likes of

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to get their kids to do the work. Should be easy eh?

Mikeactually; problem is that in one of my subjects we have just written the 2022 higher paper.When and how do you gather 15 adults in a room to spend three days writing/ checking a completely new exam?

 
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Duckman. I'm meant to be marking assignments in a few weeks and the highest haven't been uplifted yet.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 7:01 am
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As it’ll soon be buried in the other thread with the conspiracy and panic and plus We seem to have a coffee room of teachers here I’ll post in here too.

Thanks to each of you for continuing to work to allow me, my wife and colleagues to work so we can care for those that will need us in coming weeks. Those teachers who choose not too or can’t I fully understand too. This virus is going to show the true society that as humans we will look after each other. Cheers guys.

 
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We have staff meeting at 8.20 if anything interesting happens I'll post up here, nothing interesting does usually!!

Hell if a lock down happens going to work to babysit Drac's kids may be my only riding!!

 
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Have schools not received any guidance as yet?

Mrs FD and I both work in the NHS, and this will be invaluable support for us....not sure Jnr FD sees it that way at the min 😂

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 7:51 am
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List of key worker categories will be published today as far as I know. Hopefully some proper clarity on exams and grades (although I think it's already pretty obvious given what Wales has already published).

 
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Hell if a lock down happens going to work to babysit Drac’s kids may be my only riding!!

Only for one week as my shift pattern means for the next 5 you can sit at home in undies.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 8:11 am
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No, all came out of the blue, I think they were expecting closure, but not the key worker / vulnerable children support and they certainly weren't expecting the dick move of cancelling exams. So as previously mentioned a lot of prep for teaching at home has been done but nothing for the rest of it. Year 11 and 13 have now effectively been cut loose, nothing to teach and nothing to work towards, can't see them going back to be honest. Our local school is now concentrating on years 10 and 12 as they can't afford to lose a terms worth of learning.

As someone above said they will have a fag packet idea they haven't discussed with the people who have to manage it. Somewhere in the range of a million kids pushed aside for the greater good.

 
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My lad was facing his GCSE's and now feels a bit lost as to what he will actually get at the end, once the Govt gets a plan together.

His DoE is abandoned. There's a lot of long term crap to come on the back of a half thought through plan

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 8:33 am
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This is part of a letter we received last week.

Contingency Planning
As the Coronavirus outbreak develops, we will be following advice from the Department for Education and the Government. This might, at some point, involve temporarily closing the school on a full/partial basis to our students and possibly to our staff as well. If this happens, please note:
● We have remote access to the parent and student database and will send text messages to all families to keep them updated. Please recheck you have access to School Comms. It would help us if you can check with friends that they also have access to Schools Comms and if not ask them to get in touch with us so we can get them logged on.
● We can update our school website remotely and you should check this daily in the event

 
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Year 11 and 13 have now effectively been cut loose, nothing to teach and nothing to work towards, can’t see them going back to be honest.

Desperately sad. My Yr 11 is in bits, after working her arse off for all this time she was looking forward to showing what she could do. I hope whatever they decide to grade on, it reflects what she did and she is rewarded, but I also feel for those that maybe had mocks as that 'smell the coffee' moment and now won't get to prove it.

More than that - she's gone through 5 years, even 11 years with the same group of kids. Some are going on to the same 6th form College, others to different places. Some of them are already off, ill or kept back home by parents. Some of her teachers are already off in isolation or looking after their own kids. School closes after tomorrow and the Yr 11's are being asked in so yesterday's announcement wasn't a total throat slitting end, but it is like a bereavement with barely chance to say goodbye.

My wife works for a different school. Her head is very switched on and they are emailing their GCSE and A level kids along the lines of 'the government has changed its mind several times already. Just be cautious that another U-turn and exams back on in some form or another might yet happen'.

I don't think it will but don't let your kids bonfire their revision notes yet.

[edit] and +1 - thanks to teachers for everything you do in normal times, and anything you can do in these times.

 
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she also thinks the Government have jumped the gun on this as they didn’t need to say anything about exams for a couple of days until they had a strategy – which they clearly don’t have today.

That typifies "The government" ... (a term I'm using loosely) not only on this but in general.
Essentially, make a big deal of not doing what "furrin experts" are doing...
With regards to COVID however it seems more a case of saying we aren't doing what the rest of the world do then copying it in a reluctant sounding way and as a "it would be nice if" rather than direction and leadership.

Since nobody has a clue what May/June or September will bring the appropriate thing would have been for the Secretary of State for Education (Gavin Williamson) to have announced not some showboating Boris with his pet journalist asking pre-arranged questions to obfuscate.

They don't know.... practically the whole world is in the same situation. Something will need to be worked out for exams and admissions. It may be totally radical like switching the Academic Year to Jan ??? It may be something else... ??

Best case: From Imperial paper.

Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over. In the most effective mitigation strategy examined, which leads to a single, relatively short epidemic (case isolation, household quarantine and social distancing of the elderly), the surge limits for both general ward and ICU beds would be exceeded by at least 8-fold under the more optimistic scenario for critical care requirements that we examined. In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB

 
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One of the biggest problems is the fact that those people who look for any excuse to take time off work in normal times - are now taking time off work.
My senior managers expressed their frustrations at this yesterday and added there is simply nothing they can do to avoid it.

As fantastic and responsible as some key workers are, it only takes those to make a difficult situation almost impossible.

I have already seen it in my work area, my wife who is a nurse has seen it in her area too .. reading above comments it seems teaching has those type of people too; things soon fall apart.

 
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As per Stevextc- perhaps its time to change to a Jan start to the school year. This year everyone goes back in Sep as if it was the post Easter term and do the exams then. For coming years it will be hard to gee the kids up for yr11 & 13 exams with the "they're important for your future" spiel as they respond that they can't be that important if they were cancelled in 2020 and predicted grades used.

 
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One of the biggest problems is the fact that those people who look for any excuse to take time off work in normal times – are now taking time off work.

We've had a few of those. My employer doesn't pay any sick pay so people either use holiday or have to go SSP. Once it was announced there is no 3 day qualifying period on Monday they phoned in and left voicemails that they had high temps etc so will be off. When their supervisor called back to confirm they had to stay away for 7 days only getting SSP (ie c 1/3 of their usual pay) it's surprising how many felt better and wanted to come back!

 
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We have staff meeting at 8.20 if anything interesting happens I’ll post up here, nothing interesting does usually!!

To summarise, we know nothing!

 
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As per Stevextc- perhaps its time to change to a Jan start to the school year. This year everyone goes back in Sep as if it was the post Easter term and do the exams then. For coming years it will be hard to gee the kids up for yr11 & 13 exams with the “they’re important for your future” spiel as they respond that they can’t be that important if they were cancelled in 2020 and predicted grades used.

It's just one scenario, someone else mentioned they could even delay a whole year etc. or we might have a vaccine earlier than predicted?

I quite honestly think "The Government" (but the Minister for Education not the "PM") should just be saying they will address this as the disease progresses perhaps giving some alternative scenarios to assure people/kids that there exams will take place just we don't know how or when as yet.

 
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Schools staying open for key workers: We had a count up this morning on my daughter’s class’s whatsapp parents group. Out of my daughter’s class of 27, 20 parents are key workers. (Assuming Teachers, NHS workers, shop workers & delivery people are all key workers.) Most of the class will continue to use the school and wraparound care as normal.

 
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No doubt we'll find out over the next few days. Thing is, the Govt advice is announced as a strategy, the nuts and bolts of how it all works takes a little longer.

Mrs Scape is a teacher. She fully expects to be at work on a rota basis to look after the key worker kids, and more importantly the vulnerable kids who need school as a safe space and somewhere to get a meal. No doubt when she gets home tonight the actual mechanics of the distance -learning will have been thrashed out. Interestingly, her Head is currently self-isolating......

As for exams. Here's what I know so far and then a bit of conjecture as to how cancelling GCSEs and A's will likely pan out. Mrs Scape has already submitted predicted grades for all of her yr 11 and 13 pupils. These are based on coursework, mock results and the teacher's knowledge of each student's aptitude and attitude. She tells me her predicted grades historically have correlated strongly with the eventual results. There are of course kids who will (would have) crash and burn through exam nerves, and others who will (would have) really pulled one out of the bag, but they are very much outliers. SO her prediction is that kids will be awarded results based on those predictions and any other evidence the teachers can provide to justify their grades.

My daughter graduated in BSc Special Needs and Inclusive Education Studies last year and has spent this academic year on a PGCE course, on teaching placements in two mainstream primaries. She has been mentored throughout and has regular observations all of which have been highly scored. Her Uni has declared that she will gain her QTS as there was no evidence to suggest that she would not achieve the required standard.

Son's Uni closes as of tomorrow. His course (BSc Rural Enterprise and Land Management) was assessed on 50% coursework, 50% final exams. The finals were cancelled last week, but the Uni will set appropriate final assessments to be submitted online to a strict deadline. The assessments will be timebound but "open book".

 
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Guidance from our (primary) schools teachers today is they've been advise they are going backward on a term by term basis.  Therefore SATS will likely be in September to measure progress - currently - and they are measuring internally to relive pressure on external boards to focus on GSCE's & A's.

 
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SATS aren't important to anyone other than the government, they can be delayed, cancelled, scrapped with no major effects. A levels and GCSEs have real world implications.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 11:00 am
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Just had the following message from a mate....

"... we're going to home school the boys for a bit, classroom down at river, will you be a guest lecturer for a day after lambing? Subject bike maintenance and mountain bike course/jump building, have digger K"

I look forward to it

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 11:28 am
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Schools staying open for key workers children seems wrong and reckless to me.
It does not seem like a solution to the problem of how best to provide childcare to key workers children: more like a government bluff to cover their previous mistakes.
If we want to keep keyworkers working then we need to maintain social distancing between their families. If we keep schools open, then when one key worker catches this then they will pass it on ,through school and family ,to others.
A better solution would be for able volunteers ( eg including school staff) to offer key worker children child care in their own homes, whilst maintaining social distancing. This could be coordinated and supported by school heads , and kids could go to families with similar age kids to make home schooling possible. The big benefit would be that the covid spread would not burn through all the key workers connected by children at school. Id be happy to take a couple of children if it meant more doctor's could keep working. And it looks more sustainable than the government time bomb plan.

Please shoot me down if there's a big flaw I've missed, as I will be talking to our headteacher later today.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 11:38 am
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SATS aren’t important to anyone

They are an important measure of progress for teachers students and parents.   Specifically as KJ01 goes to Secondary in September its important to us.

I don't think anyone stated they were more important than GCSE's or A's.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 11:41 am
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Welsh farmer. That sounds brilliant.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 11:42 am
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Please shoot me down if there’s a big flaw I’ve missed,

Agree with your logic, but would be scuppered by safeguarding, I think.

 
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Please shoot me down if there’s a big flaw I’ve missed, as I will be talking to our headteacher later today.

I think there might be some safeguarding issues with that approach, needs some thinking through.

 
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One of the biggest problems is the fact that those people who look for any excuse to take time off work in normal times – are now taking time off work.

We’ve had a few of those. My employer doesn’t pay any sick pay so people either use holiday or have to go SSP. Once it was announced there is no 3 day qualifying period on Monday they phoned in and left voicemails that they had high temps etc so will be off. When their supervisor called back to confirm they had to stay away for 7 days only getting SSP (ie c 1/3 of their usual pay) it’s surprising how many felt better and wanted to come back!

We had two from team on Monday asking about company policy around this virus - they were informed full pay and it wont go on their absence record ... three strikes and up before HR. The very next day one was off because she suspected a relative had it, and they had visited said relative recently; she had no symptoms. The other had a cough .. yet was vaping whilst video conferencing us to let us know. Both could have won an Oscar for performances whilst being told the LA policy was isolate for 14 days .... one had the audacity to let rip with "but I want to be there to help people" .... I am still fuming!!

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Schools staying open for key workers children seems wrong and reckless to me...
A better solution would be for able volunteers ( eg including school staff) to offer key worker children child care in their own homes, whilst maintaining social distancing...
Id be happy to take a couple of children if it meant more doctor’s could keep working.
Please shoot me down if there’s a big flaw I’ve missed, as I will be talking to our headteacher later today.

Would you be happy to take delivery drivers, supermarket workers or carers children too? or just doctors children?

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 11:54 am
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Am thinking specifically of DBs checked people in my " able volunteers" .
Background, I'm support staff in a primary of around 300 and thinking that if 50 of us - teachers, cooks, LSA, MDA, office, - could take 1 or 2 each then we might cover 75 to 100 key worker kids more sustainabley than if they were all together.
It's not a solution to the vulnerable kids, but it might keep acouple of social workers in work that could help the bigger picture.

Key workers hasn't been defined yet but in my plan , someone cleverer than me would rank their importance to the fight and prioritise childcare. I'd take what I'm given.

 
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Hundredth, I am also marking one of my subjects, I have managed to get less than 50% in to do the write up so far. Lets hope Swinney throws us all a curve ball by having a sensible solution.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 12:20 pm
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Most of the class will continue to use the school and wraparound care as normal.

Good luck with that.

I suspect by the time we have clarity and a plan the majority of the country will be in full lock down.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 12:30 pm
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Good luck with that.

I suspect by the time we have clarity and a plan the majority of the country will be in full lock down.

Well, yeah, everything at the moment comes with an 'as things stand' caveat.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 12:42 pm
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A better solution would be for able volunteers ( eg including school staff) to offer key worker children child care in their own homes,

Yeah bollocks to me sending my 13 year old girl to some random volunteers house.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 1:04 pm
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You didn't read my full post .
Not random people, dbs checked school staff.
Just the same people that you already send her to, just not in the same place.
To enable social distancing.

But your family, your choice

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 1:15 pm
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Not random people, dbs checked school staff.
Just the same people that you already send her to, just not in the same place.
To enable social distancing.

I did you said teachers and volunteers in their own home. I’m not sending her to a stranger’s home, teacher, dbs checked or not. It ain’t happening.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 1:21 pm
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That breaks every rule ever.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 1:29 pm
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Unfortunately there is no easy answer to all this.

A good measure they are bringing in is to test those key workers for the coronavirus if they think they need to isolate ... that way its a deterrent to those trying to take advantage of the situation to get off work for 14 days.
At the moment my wife (a ward nurse) has been looking after a person all week who has just been tested positive for coronavirus. They tested the ward Doctor who was also tested positive, but as yet have not tested any of the nurses on ward - or even offered to test them; its bonkers!!

I am a key worker myself so I am not having a go at key workers before anybody starts complaining. Those working in the NHS or for LA are very fortunate that our jobs are not at risk as a result of all this - so with that comes the responsibility to do the jobs we are paid to do, and not be selfish if that means an inconvenience for the next few weeks/months.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 1:30 pm
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Remote classrooms set up and populated with resources and now it’s up to the likes of
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Yeah. my wife and I are continuing to work full time until we are told otherwise, or get ill. We can go home and check how much work the kids have been able to do after we make food, do the chores etc. Perhaps we'll even be able to make sure the kids aren't going stir crazy before we go to bed. Thankfully, all three of my girls enjoy school, but how much will the 16 yr old be expected to do now, and how much can you teach an 8 yr old remotely? And how will they share the one laptop we have?

I did you said teachers and volunteers in their own home. I’m not sending her to a stranger’s home, teacher, dbs checked or not. It ain’t happening.

If only there were large public buildings that aren't being used over the next few weeks?

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 1:38 pm
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Should it turn out the WHO’s teams of epidemologists turn out to know more than Boris’s “experts”

Do you know who these experts are, just out of interest?

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 1:45 pm
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I'm starting to get a bit wobbly now just come back to my room to find messages on my board from year 11's I wont see again, no last day, no prom, no results day...hard to grasp.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 2:06 pm
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It's alright to feel like that
I think you're at the front line at the moment aa
Thanks for all you're doing

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 2:09 pm
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Yeah the thing that triggers the reality AA is moments like that. I wish even half my teachers were as good as teachers are now. I may have taken more interest and even been pointed the right direction of support. Again thanks to you and your colleagues.

 
Posted : 19/03/2020 2:12 pm
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Just heard that a friend's daughter that was due to sit A levels has been to an impromptu "end of year" assembly today where the 6th formers were said good bye to and asked to hand their lanyards in.

Feel sorry for the lower 6th- missed both GCSEs & A levels being cancelled by a year!

 
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