[Closed] Any speeding prosecution experts

Any thoughts?

3 points and a £60 fine

you want pepipoo, or whatever it's really called

If its a duelled section you may get a speed awareness course for marginal speeding... which is nice.

... and presumably the location is where they were, rather than where you were ?

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime

lol

go to pepipoo

I'm a speeding expert-i don't speed. In 9 years and 160k miles i've never been prosecuted for speeding. Go figure....

Worth pursuing it if you are being hit with a ban or big fine.

A mate managed to get off because the policeman who got him hadn't turned his radio off and that 'might' have interfered with the reading.

I heard another one where the equipment hadn't been checked within the correct time period.

If you can discredit the policeman involved you might get off. A lawyer got a bloke off once because in court the policeman was chewing gum and claimed it was medical. He was ruled unreliable as a witness

If you can discredit the policeman involved you might get off.

Classy.

Or, you could just say, "yeah, I was speeding, got caught and I'll pay up."

OP they can can 'catch' you from quite a distance.

Think upto a mile+

Basically as soon as you spot the van in the distance its usually too late.

No not dual carriageway.
The location on the NIP is incorrect, when checked it comes up in a field.
The actual is about 750m away.

Yunki - thanks for wise words, Not!
Tom B - well done

yunki & CFh +1

I don't deny the speeding just the location.
Where they state the location of the offence took place my speed had been reduced due to he fact I had passed the camera van some 750m down the road.

Where they state the location of the offence took place my speed had been reduced due to he fact I had [s]passed the camera van some 750m down the road[/s] spotted the camera and thought, oh no! I'm speeding, I better slow down a bit, just in case.

FTFY.

Suck it up. Pay the fine, get on with your life.

Pay up and move on.....slowly 🙂

Captain - not sure what you are getting at?

Yes when I saw the van it was too late, my speed was reduced when I passed it (with a few choice mumbled words)
But like I have posted earlier the location stated is some 750m west and in a field.

But like I have posted earlier the location stated is some 750m west and in a field.

So they screwed up. Presumably you're looking for an angle to dodge the fine ?

Bren, I'm not sure what you are getting at either. Are you trying to dodge the fine or not?

If it was so wrong as to mislead you as to where the alleged offence occurred, then you might be able to do something.

But since it isn't and doesn't, there's isn't any get out clause this time.

Minor clerical errors do not cause any prosecution to fail, they just get amended if/when it goes to court.

Do you have a combined NIP/FP offer?

So you were doing 79mph in the middle of a field? If they don't get you for speeding I think they'll probably try and do you for the hole in the hedge you made to get into the field.

Think I would just pay up and take the points, or do the course if it was offered it.
I would be far happier with myself for doing it that way, than I would if I weasled out of it.

However ...... 23 years driving, almost 3/4 Million miles, no points ever 😉

Can I be the first to say EH? Pay the money you tit.

Got done the same place never looked at a map just paid up, **** doing a bloody course 1 x sp30 does not effect insurace

1 x sp30 does not effect insurace

That's what I thought, until my wife got one and the insurance went up.

Cheers bren. I'm no expert but don't almost all speedos read about 10% under actual speed. So your 79mph from the police would have been showing over 85 on your speedo?

Tom B - when looked down at speedo showed just shy of 80
Rorschach - thanks for the insult!

Cheers for all the constructive comments and to others "keep polishing those Halos"! 😉

I love how two faced some of the posters on here are. A while a go someone posted an almost identical thread - the difference being he joined the forum in 2008. He got nothing but support ("boo the police are robbers, the laws are ridiculous blah blah").

Because you joined in 2011 you were destined to get the "Just don't speed, don't moan, MTFU script". Which people get lambasted for doing when a member of the old guard is involved lol.

all right newboy.. don't get your knickers in a twist.. 😉

I'd just ask for a clarification, they'll either amend it, and you'll still get the fine/points/course. Or they'll realised they've completely ballsed it up and drop it.

Just because they enforce the rules doesn't absolve them from getting their facts right.

Cheers bren. I'm no expert but don't almost all speedos read about 10% under actual speed. So your 79mph from the police would have been showing over 85 on your speedo?

Not an expert but I thought they all over estimated your speed otherwise there would be people complaining all over the country for getting done while " not speeding " .

A while a go someone posted an almost identical thread - the difference being [b]he joined the forum in 2008.[/b]

What a strange thing to know ?

Link please.

What a strange thing to know

Especially for [s]someone who is probably a banned member but is now back under another monicker[/s] someone else so new.....

Most older cars' reading will be exaggerated as the cable stretches over time. New cars produce a more accurate reading.

Owen

I reckon that you've a good chance of getting of with it if you want to go down that route.

So you admit you looked down and saw 80mph on the speedo, just take what they give you; I regularly spend time at 85-90mph on the motorway but if they get me I'm busted, from the moment the needle goes over 70 you ARE their bitch, never forget it.

I picked up and SP50 2 years ago (15 years unblemished record previously) first year I renewed it reduced my premium by £30! Second year had no impact at all.

And you all drive at 70 miles per hour ? or you just haven't been caught yet 😯 "dont fall of that oh so high horse you ride upon"

I regularly spend time at 85-90mph on the motorway but if they get me I'm busted, from the moment the needle goes over 70 you ARE their bitch, never forget it.

Amen.

OP - Are you trying to dodge the fine or not?

And you all drive at 70 miles per hour ?

I hardly ever drive at 70mph no.

Normally around 65mph or a bit less, and I do a lot of mileage too.

or you just haven't been caught yet

Not been caught speeding no.

"dont fall of that oh so high horse you ride upon"

At the speed I ride it, a fall won't be too bad 😉

So thats you on the A64 every morning at 64.5mph then 😀

If my name is on the side of the van then it's probably me yes 😉

Cheers bren. I'm no expert but don't almost all speedos read about 10% under actual speed. So your 79mph from the police would have been showing over 85 on your speedo?
Not an expert but I thought they all over estimated your speed otherwise there would be people complaining all over the country for getting done while " not speeding " .

I think they is saying the same thing... 85 on speedo = 79 OTR. 10pct error tolerance is allowed.

Accept it & move on.

Or look at this [url= http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_Home/Rules_useage/The_Law.htm ]All you need to know[/url]

Sorry guys, I've checked my calendar and it's not Self-Righteous Saturday until next week.

Rorschach - Member
Can I be the first to say EH? Pay the money you tit.
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I bet your a right left hander in the flesh aren't ya Rorschach?

Not on dual carriageway means you were significantly over the speed limit. Maybe man up and pay up. Then slow down for the rest of us.

It’s got F all to do with high horses, halo polishing or being self righteous - and everything to do with taking it on the chin, showing some personal accountability and accepting the ensuing punishment or sanction when you've got it wrong.

I agree with the comment made earlier though - that the information supplied to the OP by the CSC has to be accurate and bare up to scrutiny.

Captain - happy to pay £60 fine
Was just asking the STW experts a question, is that what a forum is for? 😉

10% [b]under[/b] would be over estimating actual speed?! Unlike the Kate Middleton thread, I agree 100% with neal on this. A question for the op, do you own your car/pay for your own fuel? I reckon non ownership of cars has a huge effect on the way that people drive...obviously the op may own hi s own car etc but I still stand by my point.

Personally I fight every time, first thing check the equipment has been certified accurate recently, then the radio thing, they do intefere with the signal, that is if the notification was sent to exactly the correct address, (the mail service these days genuinely does fail to deliver stuff, was it recorded delivery/) ask to see the photograph proving it was actually you at the wheel (Only if you acknowledge receipt of the documentation).

Is the car registered with you or a third entity? e.g. Company car, I managed to get one of my reps off due to a dating error, it sounds like they may have made some sort of location error, so it could be worth getting a brief to look at it.

It's another form of taxation imv, so fight it every time. If it's old bill himself and a regular pull, fair cop and I'll hands up to it, but machine's and lazy arses sat in cars playing car billiards? **** em.

It's another form of taxation

Oh dear.

Oh dear.

Sorry flash heart, I had forgotten I wasn't allowed to post when you're around.

It won't happen again.

Unless you can prove I was on here and have been banned before I suggest you stop saying it.

He wasn't quoting you [s]elfin[/s] nuke proof.

Igrf, these things don't trigger if your under the speed limit so tough s**t, if your 32 in 30 then sorry but trying to blag it is no better than the whiplash folk who drive insurance up, just be responsible

Makes note not to buy anything from http://www.surf-sales.com/

anyway NPR, that last thread you were banging on (and on, and on ) at the guy who admitted to speeding, and was happy to take his lumps, he just asked whether to get 'em on his face or his ar5e.
this OP is actually trying to get out of a conviction.
the circumstances are different, and not because of the length of time the originator has been signed up.
personally i don't look to see when someone signed up to decide how i respond to their post. how paranoid do you have to be to check that?

I can still hear "clip clop clip clop" and as the man said he was just asking a question to which he assumed he would get a good old honest reply on here "whoops wrong sort of forum" 8O.

Have Nukeproofriding and Mikeconnor ever been seen in the same room/thread at the same time?

Hmmmm.

Doubtful, but has mikeconnor been banned? Did elfie have a personal issue with you flashy? I mean I've sussed that you are an upper class nobber, but other than that you seem pretty pleasant 🙂

😆

I have an issue with flashy 8) his snow sport thread is the best on this forum ever and for that reason I respect the fact that,it may take a while but one day he may just chose to ride a board 😉

one day he may just chose to ride a board

Consider my gauntlet thrown, sir! A duel, damn your eyes, a duel! 😉

(I wakeboard in the summer, but ski in the winter. Never a board. Imagine how hard it would be telling my parents! Pistols at dawn, however, are a year round speciality. )

I respect the fact that,it may take a while but one day he may just chose to ride a board

I bet he won't 🙂

And neither will I (not again anyway) had plenty of that malarkey and it planks all the way now !

BenHouldsworth - Member
Igrf, these things don't trigger if your under the speed limit so tough s**t, if your 32 in 30 then sorry but trying to blag it is no better than the whiplash folk who drive insurance up, just be responsible

Have you done much driving chum? The fast lane is nose to tail at 80 mph, it's been that way for I can't remember how long, motorway speed limits are the same now as they were in the sixties, before disk brakes, abs, wide tyres and heavens know how many additional safety features, not least the roads themselves.

It's a source of revenue, those cameras, and plod with the mobiles, and those of us that need licenses to work suffer the most from it. 'It' is also a machine accusing a human of an offence punishable by a fine and or considerable inconvenience. If, as i said before it were a Police officer going about his duty pursuing the offender, catchng him etc, then fair enough, but it's not like that is it?

It's nothing like whiplash, whiplash con artists drive up the cost of insurance for everyone, avoiding a camera issued speeding ticket, hurts no-one.

Most older cars' reading will be exaggerated as the cable stretches over time. New cars produce a more accurate reading.

Doubtful, seeing as the cable only spins.

I had two sp50s, didn't make much since to my premium tbh.

Fast lane is very rarely nose to tail at 80 between junstions 15-21 on the M6 whenever I've been on there (3 times a week for most of the past decade I had to cancel my cruise control at 65mph on there on Frida afternoon i know, wont somebody think of the children)I get that cars have improved since the sixties grump, but aren't there a few more cars around these days?

It's a source of revenue, those cameras, and plod with the mobiles, and those of us that need licenses to work suffer the most from it.

Well, if you need your licence to work, how about not speeding? I don't need mine so much, so I accept the risk of doing 80 on the motorway. If I get caught, fair cop. If your life is your licence, don't break the speed limit. Simple, really.

speed limits are the same now as they were in the sixties

Oh my god two skierists and a snowboarder trying to calm things down and treat forum dwellers with respect !!!!! This is it, next stop world peace ? NG,I have passed a van on the Tadcaster section of the 64 with Glover on it on my regular trip to Leeds but im sorry as I was doing 73.4 mph but it wont happen again 😀

Mines a black and orange Vito with My Name on the doors (and loads of other stuff)

You probably saw a red van with Glover on it ? (Plumbers)

There are specialist lawyers that advertise in all the bad bwoy car and motorcycle magazines that will do the technical bit for you.

I was caught in ban territory in 2001 on my motorcycle and when I went to court I turned up in a suit and grovelled. Not shirking my guilt but demonstrating that I recognized my error of judgement got me a 7 day ban and a chunky fine.

19mph over the speed limit isn't likely to get you a ban.

You broke the law.
Pay the fine and stop trying to weasel out.

APF

stumpynya12 - Member
Oh my god two skierists

There are skiers here? Why doesn't that surprise me. 😕

Skiers, football fans, roadies, no wonder everyone wants to pony up and pay their fines.

igrf, this "pony up" trash you're waffling about, do you mean, "Accept your punishment for transgressing the laws"?

Now, back to your earlier point about speeding fines being some sort of "tax" on poor, hard working souls like you - Do you really believe that? I mean, it's only a "tax" if you both break the law AND get caught. Now, as we know, there's an easy way to avoid both of those thing happening, and if your licence is so very vital as to be your life blood, I suspect you know what you should do. Odd that you haven't chosen to address that as yet here.....

Skiers, football fans, roadies, no wonder everyone wants to pony up and pay their fines.

I'm two out of three.

And as I pointed out earlier, I don't "pony up" anything because I rarely, if ever, drive over the speed limit.

You should give it a go too maybe ?

19mph over the speed limit isn't likely to get you a ban.

Skiers, football fans, roadies, no wonder everyone wants to pony up and pay their fines.

Just an easy way for the pigs to earn there points. And also tax. I got fined for doing 35mph by one of them camera van, miles away from civilisation! I think that is taking the piss! ...why do you never see them outside schools or built up areas where they should be!

" There are specialist lawyers that advertise in all the bad bwoy car and motorcycle magazinesthat will do the technical bit for you."
From the law reports I have read those lawyers specialise in taking large sums of cash off you and playing roulette with very suspect arguments you may well get lucky with a gum chewing copper who tells a silly fib and blows his credibility with a soft magistrate or you may well end up with the points or ban plus a few grand in prosecution and defense costs . Go to any high st criminal defense lawyer pay less and get better advise.

The court of appeal and the Criminal Procedure Rules have killed the loophole lawyer market.

Have you done much driving chum? The fast lane is nose to tail at 80 mph, it's been that way for I can't remember how long, motorway speed limits are the same now as they were in the sixties, before disk brakes, abs, wide tyres and heavens know how many additional safety features, not least the roads themselves.

CLASSIC JUDAS !
Mis-spent youff an` all that ...
My tuppence worth would be to fight the prosecution - facts have to be 100% accurate to even be considered for court.
To cut a long story short i lent a mate a trailbike, totally legit and his insurance covered it so no big dramas envisaged.
However - they tried to prosecute me for allowing said matey to ride with a flat tyre after he punctured and rode along a green lane near Kettlewell to fix it in the only garage for miles around. I was 50 miles away at the time and well before the days of mobile phones so how could i possiblyallow` him to ride the bike with a flat tyre ??
The due date arrived and it was thrown out of court after i gave my version of events. Got a letter of apoligy from the head local rozzer in skipton and an offer to cover my costs which i duly ignored but made a mental note of the lesson learned....