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I need to construct a model to do the following.

Assume there is a capital amount of £51,000
This needs to be compounded at 5% per annum.
How much can be withdrawn a month to deplete the capital in 25 years (300 months)?

Any ideas anyone? (My maths isn't that strong!) 😳


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:38 pm
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I'd use a spreadsheet, I don't think there's an easier way.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:41 pm
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is the interest applied to the capital sum annually, monthly or daily?

say we took £5k out int he first year would the 5% be paid on £45k or on the average capital available over the course of the year (£47.5k)?


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:43 pm
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'interest' is applied daily though for the sake of the exercise it could be monthly


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:45 pm
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have a look at this article [url= http://triviasofsubstance.blogspot.com/2007/11/crystal-ball-that-predicts-your-first.html ]http://triviasofsubstance.blogspot.com/2007/11/crystal-ball-that-predicts-your-first.html[/url]

for the interest side of things accruing daily.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:48 pm
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I get £298.64 using monthly interest, with £1 or so left at the end.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:50 pm
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Thanks all.

@cynic-al how did you get there?


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:52 pm
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Spreadsheet!

I just worked out what was in the account at the end of the first month, withdrew, calculated for the second month, withdrw, and so on. Formula was (£51,000-x)*(1.004166666). I then altered the monthly withdrawal until I got close to 0 at the end.

I used 299 months, Maybe I should have used 300, I may well have made a basic error somewhere too.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:56 pm
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I reckon that it's £298.14 per month. Assuming interest paid monthly.

Edit - cynic-al beat me.

Edit again - this was using a spreadsheet.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:56 pm
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That's not maths.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 2:57 pm
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Sure but it's fun.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 3:01 pm
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Thanks again!

Prepares to look clever in front of client! 🙄 😉


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 3:05 pm
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Or another answer:

((£51,000/2)*1.05^25)/300 = £287.84


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 3:06 pm
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That's not monthly 😛

EDIT ((£51,000/2)*1.00416666^300)/300 = £287.84 ❓


 
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so then if i have a cash pot of 250k at retirement and i want 1500 a month how long will it last.. assuming 5% calcilated daily etc..


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 3:37 pm
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23.75 years


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 3:44 pm
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cheers mefty so thats me hanging it out to dry in 7 years time .. bingo!!


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 3:46 pm
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For the OP shouldn't the monthly interest should compound to give 5% - so that's 0.4074% per month rather than a flat split of 5/12%=0.4166 per month.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 3:51 pm
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@thepurist You could be right there.

I make it 5/12 = .4166% but as I said...my maths.......


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 3:57 pm
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slowjo - it's 1.05^(1/12) = 1.004074
ie 0.4074% per month.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 4:21 pm
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RealMan - Member
That's not maths.

And you're not a Real Man™...yet we allow you to keep on posting.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 5:12 pm
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RM what is it then History? Biology?
It has numbers you work something out with them therefore it is maths


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 5:18 pm
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Arguable, surely.

And it's accounting.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 5:19 pm
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It is a branch of applied maths, accounting does not cope with compound interest particularly well.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 5:55 pm
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I had expected this to turn into an argument of results/methods, instead it's become an argument on what counts as maths, excellent! 😀


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 5:58 pm
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I asked a maths graduate about compound interest. He wrote it down in sigma notation but that was as far as it got. Spreadsheet ftw.

Theoretically is it not discrete integral calculus?


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 6:39 pm
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[img] [/img], no need for sigma notation, just a simple equation.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 6:59 pm
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Derived how?


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 7:05 pm
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Polynomials, but you don't need to derive the formula to use it do you. I generally do this stuff on a calculator - albeit a financial one - unless I need to be precise on day count or need to incorporate the yield curve.


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 7:34 pm
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No, you don't need to know how it's derived, but I'm curious...


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 7:41 pm
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It is a branch of applied maths

So is everything. Finance then maybe?


 
Posted : 08/06/2011 7:50 pm

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