[Closed] Any graphic artists in? Logo Design....

£50? You're too kind! Email in prof, I'll drop it to mrs deadly...Brizzle area.

Same here email me I am bored to my ass at the moment. fernandez at unice point fr

M6TTF's link is NSFW if you don't wear headphones.

do you need any pie charts with it?

@M6TTF

It's there for someone who wants it. Maybe someone who's out of work, like me. Or maybe some contractor sat for boring endless days with nothing to do 'cos the client can't get their act together, like I used to.

I'm sorry if it's beneath you.

@Mistere

Thanks, I'm off the pies at the moment.

SB

Here is a logo for you

[b]L[i][s]o[/s][/i]GO[/b]

I claim my £50.

£50 per use of the design or £50 to own the design outright?

Well I never thought it would be this hard!

OK, so how long would you expect to spend on it, and what would be a reasonable rate?

SB

[url= http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p.html ]slightly nsfw email exchange about pie charts.[/url]

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OK, so how long would you expect to spend on it, and what would be a reasonable rate?

"If I use it"

Try going to a tailor and ask him to make you a suit that you will either buy or not depending on if he was lucky enough to guess your style requirements because you couldn't be arsed to go through the process of working them out with him.
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£50

How long do you think it takes to design a logo? It isn't pretty patterns and doodles - it is considered, developed, questioned, redeveloped, tweaked and made to artwork (with due consideration for all of the technical constraints, plus other factors such as researching existing logos etc).
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Sorry, don't mean to sound aggressive, but there is a reason that YouTube thing strikes a chord (or is that accord?, I never know).

I do wonder if this is a troll - does any reasonable adult place such little value on someone else's time and equally place such little value on whatever they want a logo designing for that they think it only deserves £50 spending on it?

Go on, post up your 'brief' - I bet it took more than £50 worth of time to dream up.

From mrs deadly,

What glenp said +1

Stratobiker you've insulted the superior beings I pity you.

I do wonder if this is a troll - does any reasonable adult place such little value on someone else's time and equally place such little value on whatever they want a logo designing for that they think it only deserves £50 spending on it?

Surely that depends what it's for?

Some people would probable be happy with a logo that involved getting photoshop open, selecting a cool looking/appropriate font/colours and putting a stroke around it. £50 for doing that is hardly unreasonable.

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Granted, if it just a bit non-commercial fun then fair enough. If that is the case, then I apologise for going off on one.

As for superior beings, Drac - don't know how you make a living yourself, but I doubt it is by doing anything for virtually nothing.

Some people would probable be happy with a logo that involved getting photoshop open, selecting a cool looking/appropriate font/colours and putting a stroke around it.

Jeebus...I really do hope this one goes for the day. mrs deadly is upstairs on the mac choking on her coffee. I'm loving it.

[i]Drac - don't know how you make a living yourself, but I doubt it is by doing anything for virtually nothing. [/i]

Your right I don't do anything for virtually nothing but I have done plenty for free.

deadly - does she feel £50 is a resonable amount for a speculative logo or is she happy with that?

If such a small amount of work is expected it can hardly be called 'designing a logo'. May I suggest 'Microsoft Word'?

May I suggest trying to sound a little less haughty and snobbish?

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Hey boys!
Try being a photographer on here - the shi£e people quote for a wedding or even a single image never begins to take into account the skills, years of training, the investment in your equipment, your professionalism etc etc that goes into our work.
I've stopped following any thread that asks me to tell people how to photograph their brother's wedding, or a companies conference or take pictures at Mayhem so they can then sell them.
Bloo£y liberty!

May I suggest trying to sound a little less haughty and snobbish?

I've just head-butted my keyboard. Really really hard. It seemed less painful than passing comment.

Luckily, my mac was in Illustrator at the time. The result doesn't actually look too bad. Its a bit Bauhaus if anything. You can have that for £50 if you like

LOL at Binners. 🙂

wwaswas - Member
deadly - does she feel £50 is a resonable amount for a speculative logo or is she happy with that?

Loving this - but remember folks, SB is one of the good guys. Go easy on him!

Sure - suggest away.

Doesn't look like your Mixd logo would have taken much effort. I'd knock something like that up for £50. 😉

I've seen plenty of these threads - people seem to make the mistake of thinking that other people should put the same value on design work as they do, and feel that they are somehow owed a living.

I don't see anyone whinging about putting LBS' out of business when someone offers to fit a headset in return for hobnobs, or asks advice on servicing forks. But somehow because designers are 'artists' they get all precious about it.

BTW I get paid to do design work - not really a designer, I can just do it better than lots of people who claim to be. 😛

I need a car - send me your cars and if I like yours, I'll give you £50.

Doesn't look like your Mixd logo would have taken much effort. I'd knock something like that up for £50.

There are plenty in my industry too - we call the amateurs.

I need a car - send me your cars and if I like yours, I'll give you £50.

That analogy doesn't work at all though does it.

Yeah.... don't forget to put some photoshop filters on it. The signature of any professional designer

That analogy doesn't work at all though does it.

Well go find the typeface and knock it up

Bet I could find one that looks pretty similar. You can congratulate yourself all you want about how clever you are for designing the typeface yourself, but most people probably couldn't care less, and why should they?

That analogy doesn't work at all though does it.

Well, not trying to speak on m_f's behalf, but it's about as ridiculous sounding as

Doesn't look like your Mixd logo would have taken much effort. I'd knock something like that up for £50

I don't see anyone whinging about putting LBS' out of business when someone offers to fit a headset in return for hobnobs, or asks advice on servicing forks. But somehow because designers are 'artists' they get all precious about it.

but most people probably couldn't care less.

But somehow because designers are 'artists' they get all precious about it.

Oh come on, getting all precious is in the job description. We wouldn't believe they were really designers if they didn't.

But £50 "if I use it" is taking the wee-wee.

I'd expect to pay £150 upwards depending on the level of fussiness I expected the designer to have to put up with.

And, just to add, yes, I know stratobiker is one of the good guys... 🙂

Says it all really

http://www.makemylogobiggercream.com/

I guess the clients that value design and pay him and mrs deadly handsomely for their work do.

That's great, I'm happy that there are people that value design out there and are willing to pay people who do it well - but why the assumption that [i]everyone[/i] should do the same?

And if they are being paid handsomely why all the whining?

Bet I could find one that looks pretty similar. You can congratulate yourself all you want about how clever you are for designing the typeface yourself, but most people probably couldn't care less, and why should they?

And if they are being paid handsomely why all the whining?

Not detecting any whining. I often find my skills are undervalued too...and I'll take any opportunity to persuade people that they should value them more.

If it had been for something to do with stratobiker's own thang, I'd have talked mrs deadly into lending a hand - but it's for a different enterprise.

it's cost me £50 of my time to read this thread, where do i send the invoice?

When it comes to logo design, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys

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Oh..... hang on a minute

LOL

I do love the 2012 brand though. The logo itself is a bit poor, but the brand identity and execution is spot on. We have had too many furry bear Olympic mascots and I was happy we came up with something different and challenging.

it's cost me £50 of my time to read this thread, where do i send the invoice?

£50 is about 8.5hrs of work for me, so count yourself lucky.

I wouldn't even start thinking about designing a quick logo for less than half a day's work (£240) - and that would be all the client would get - a logo as a .jpg.

Where do you find these clients!!?

Jo's quite a slow reader - it might have been 8.5 hours for him too.

Where do you find these clients!!?

I have charged several thousand pounds in the past, but that isn't for a logo, it is for an entire brand identity.

Mrs Deadly here,
Have you lot got nothing better to do?

"Have you lot got nothing better to do?"

you'll just get blank looks asking that question around here...

Guess I could go and find another industry to devalue - photography maybe?

Someone on here liked one of my pics, so I'm selling her a print at cost price plus a donation to a charity. What a bastard eh?

She just got a bollocking for asking such a stupid question.

They have to stretch the work out mrs dd or they can't charge for half a days work for 30 mins with word.

Someone on here liked one of my pics, so I'm selling her a print at cost price plus a donation to a charity. What a bastard eh?

deadlydarcy - Member
Mrs Deadly here,
Have you lot got nothing better to do?

Loving the irony.

Producing a picture that one person likes is very different to one person asking you to produce a specific picture that they may or may not like.

This is the basic misunderstanding at play here - graphic design is not abstract pretty patterns, it is producing visuals that trigger very specific reactions and associations in the viewer. If you haven't even analysed what you want those reactions to be, let alone made some sort of study of the background and context of the whole thing you can only ever have a good logo (or whatever) by luck.

Will you go out and take a photograph for me - I will pay you £50 if I like it.

OK.

Just wondering, does the price you charge clients include the costs associated with you browsing/posting on stw (and presumably other places), including your wage, overheads etc?

clubber...go easy now. She has been working for most of the morning.

[i]I need a logo designing.
If you're in need of something to do, drop me an email to stratobiker AT yahoo DOT co DOT uk[/i]

Or alternatively if you're an upthemselvesdesignerluvvie just ignore the OP and witter away about how much a few hours of your time is worth 🙄

Like I said, most people just don't understand what design is.

Or alternatively if you're an upthemselvesdesignerluvvie just ignore the OP and witter away about how much a few hours of your time is worth

The point not being how a person uses their own time, but what value they put on it when creating something for someone else who can then go on to benefit from it.

Just wondering, does the price you charge clients include the costs associated with you browsing/posting on stw (and presumably other places), including your wage, overheads etc?

Looking forward to receiving my photograph to review and decide whether I deem it worth my £50...

D'oh!

Wee in 'graphic designer fails to read whole thing before contributing' shocker.

What do you think?

I reckon it probably does, though you've probably convinced yourself otherwise.

Looking forward to receiving my photograph to review and decide whether I deem it worth my £50...

You haven't given me the brief yet. 🙂

Rest assured that I hate cheap, and if the project warranted it, I'd go to someone with clout. Also, rest assured that I'm not trying to make a quick buck here.

Right at this moment in time I'm out of work (not asking for sympathy), and if someone offered me £50 I'd take it.

My offer was aimed at someone who has nothing better to do. Maybe someone sat at a desk bored. £50 would buy a few beers would it not? Or maybe go some way to filling a shopping trolley.

I know £50 pound isn't much. I just offered it, no one has to take it. A little while ago, I wouldn't have given the time of day for £50. Though I wouldn't have been quite so nasty or smart-arsed in my refusal as some of the posters here.

SB

Like I said, most people just don't understand what design is

Do you mean design or graphic design ?
The former yes, the latter well it's just ****ting about with digital crayons innit 😉

I reckon it probably does, though you've probably convinced yourself otherwise.

Brief - I want a picture of a one-eyed ballerina squid juggling seven unevenly-shaped pieces of burnt toast and the shot must be taken in Bali.

I await your submission.

My offer was aimed at someone who has nothing better to do. Maybe someone sat at a desk bored. £50 would buy a few beers would it not? Or maybe go some way to filling a shopping trolley.

Exactly as I understood it - funny that all these "high flying wouldn't get out of bed for less than a grand" types always seem to have plenty time for forum posting, wonder if they charge it to the client.....

lol

Strotobiker - sorry if offence was taken, but your offer still suggests that you want to take advantage of someone who needs the money rather than paying fair market value for the work.

That's fair enough. Someone who is out of work, or maybe a student.

The wrong bit is getting paid "if I use it" - much more effective to find a designer and work with them to get the result you want, whatever the fee.

Well said stratobiker!!!

make your brief public on the post and make it a competition to design your logo with a £50 bucks prize.

suspect you'll get more entries and less moaning..

Strotobiker - sorry if offence was taken, but your offer still suggests that you want to take advantage of someone who needs the money rather than paying fair market value for the work.

Surely it's not unreasonable that someone who is out of work is asking for something for less than the going rate.

You don't of course have to oblige if you're too busy raking in the big bucks.

Strotobiker - sorry if offence was taken, but your offer still suggests that you want to take advantage of someone who needs the money rather than paying fair market value for the work.

Only if you're being precious.

I politely decline your offer based on the brief. See how easy that was?

Surely it's not unreasonable that someone who is out of work is asking for something for less than the going rate

Right, I am going now. To design a website for a friend for some 75% LESS than our normal rate as well.

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