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Can any accountants help with this question?

If you pay stamp duty when you buy a business is it classed as an "expense" that can be set against your first years income for tax purposes?

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 1:13 pm
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errr no, its a tax

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 1:15 pm
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Yes I think so. Set up a company which buys the business, various expenses can be offset against company income. The offset would go inside the company not in your tax retrun.

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 1:18 pm
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I don't think stamp duty is tax deductible no.

Only when calculating CGT when you come to sell the property, then is can be offset against the gain.

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 1:29 pm
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Stamp Duty on land would be a capital expense. Stamp duty on buying shares is cost to the purchaser.
Another reason to use an accountant.

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 1:30 pm
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If you've paid SDLT On buying a business then you must have bought the shares in the company.
The SDLT cost serves to increase the base cost of the shares for the purchasing entity/ person and thus reduces your gain if you ever sell the shares in the future.

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 2:05 pm
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When you bought/buying this business are you not taking any professional advice, as just add this question to them...

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 3:03 pm
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Craig, sorry slight hijack, is the dealing cost and stamp duty on shares not offsettable against cgt....dreaming it may be an issue 1 day. Thanks in advance

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 4:36 pm
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Craig makes a very valid point in his last sentence. I would add it's best to get the advice before the purchase is made as there may well be implications as to how it's executed.

Poolman I believe the answer to that question is no. Capital Gain is calculated vs puchase price before any purchase taxes

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 4:45 pm
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Ok thanks, i was being lazy so just looked on hmrc site, you can offset sdrt and dealing costs against cgt. Dreaming 1 days i ll need to

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 5:06 pm
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CGT tax free allowance is about £10k from memory. If you get near that sell and repurchase ("bed and breakfast")

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 6:08 pm
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As above - buying a business is a capital event so there is no relief for the cost of the capital assets involved (plant, cars, buildings etc - unless capital allowances/intangible deductions are available). The cost of stock (say) on the other hand is a deductible amount when sold in future. So any stamp duty on the cost of the business is a capital cost and cannot be deducted. I assume you are talking about stamp duty land tax charged on buildings / leases because rare for stamp duty to arise on other assets? If shares in a company are bought (which carries on a business)then no deduction for the cost of the shares (capital cost) or for the stamp duty either (also capital cost).

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 6:15 pm
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When I say deducted in mean deducted now. As noted the stamp duty is added to the tax basis of business/shares and is deducted when the assets are sold in future.

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 6:17 pm
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Jamba - you need to be out of the stock for 30 days now or its counted as a matched sale and doesnt qualify.

 
Posted : 28/02/2017 6:23 pm