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My plan was to go to Glasgow central Mosque, get my 2nd jab, then head into town for a cheese and ham toastie and a coffee in George Square, before heading home.
That would make the 2nd time this year I'd got beyond the confines of my front door so far away as the city center.
But my peace and quiet was shattered by a group of complete F***wits, screaming into a PA system about the dangers of vaccinations, and a bit about kid abuse implying an Islamic angle, and all. Totally ruined it.
Thankfully there were only about a dozen, all nodding and agreeing with themselves, but it was a warm and sunny day, perfect for hanging out in the square and watching the world pass by.
Cannot stand these idiots, but they have the right to stand and shout their nonsense.
Hey ho, picked just the day , warm out as well... 🙁
They should go and join their unvaccinated comrades in India.
Thankfully there were only about a dozen, all nodding and agreeing with themselves,
They sometimes break into a rendition of ‘baaaa, BAAAAA!’
With no detectable hint of self-awareness nor whiff of irony.
Some of the local anti-vaxxers have took to wearing masks and social distancing! Apparently all us vaccinated folk are shedding vaccine spike proteins that can infect those who aren't vaccinated, the vaccine spike proteins can alter their DNA and render them infertile.
The imagination that goes into conspiracy theories is genuinely impressive
Perfect targets for a drive-by with a super soaker full of piss.
Racist anti vaxxers ...
What a thoroughly depressing combination..
"Perfect targets for a drive-by with a super soaker full of piss."
From a vaccinated or non vaccinated person?
Superb turn out in London today though, not that the msm will report on it.
Some of the local anti-vaxxers have took to wearing masks and social distancing!
This should probably be encouraged though.
render them infertile.
If only this was actually possible!
There was one last week marching through Newcastle fairly large maybe 40 or 50 but completely ignored by a majority enjoying themselves in the bars, in part thanks to the vaccine.
THEY SHUD VACSINATE COS ITS INDIUN MUSLAMIC VIRUS
Why are right wing nut jobs anti mask and anti vax?
What's the connection?
What’s the connection?
I wouldn't like to imply causation but there's definitely a correlation with the hard of thinking.
Some of the local anti-vaxxers have took to wearing masks and social distancing! Apparently all us vaccinated folk are shedding vaccine spike proteins that can infect those who aren’t vaccinated, the vaccine spike proteins can alter their DNA and render them infertile.
Truly wondrous. Might save their lives. 😁
Superb turn out in London today though, not that the msm will report on it.
Superb turnout of bedwetting whiny pussy bitches? Glad I missed it.
Why are right wing nut jobs anti mask and anti vax?
BCuZ marXinist CommUniSt LefTieS MAde thE noN ExistEnt CONVID PLANdeMIC sO THeRE ElIte MasTers cAn TAke aWaY aRe FreEDumbS
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Why are right wing nut jobs anti mask and anti vax?
What’s the connection?
Not all of them are right wing.
The three most Anti Vaxx people I know definitely aren’t right wing, two of them would be best thought of as radical left.
Quick google finds MSM reports of Anti Vaxx March in London 🤷
In fairness they’re probably just trying to save lives !
Maybe is a US thing
Why are right wing nut jobs anti mask and anti vax?
What’s the connection?
Thick as ****.
Isn’t the leader of it all Jeremy Corbyn’s brother. That’s about as left as you can get without going full circle 😂
and a bit about kid abuse implying an Islamic angle,
So hate speech for the Police to look into then?
Quick google finds MSM reports of Anti Vaxx March in London 🤷
Don't worry, we have this every week. Seems to be a connection between anti-vaxx and weak Google Fu
It comforts me that the vast majority of those in hospital with covid are now that have been offered and refused a vaccination.
Isn’t the leader of it all Jeremy Corbyn’s brother. That’s about as left as you can get without going full circle
I'm nothing like my sister. Have you got a point?
The most Anti-Vaxx person I know is bat-shit mental. Politics plays no part in his bat-shit mentalness.
@daveylad
Free Member
Superb turn out in London today though, not that the msm will report on it.
First three hits on google (it carries on with today, last week, the week before etc etc etc).
Wonder if Eamonn Holmes will mention it.
https://www.****/news/article-9632373/Hundreds-anti-vaxxers-claiming-pandemic-hoax-gather-central-London.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/thousands-join-antivaccination-protest-in-central-london-b937927.html
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/29/london-bus-covered-in-anti-vaxx-stickers-as-hundreds-gather-for-protest-14674118/
Including this actual picture of someone in a tinfoil hat!
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Also, by London standards, that's a pretty small protest. There seems to be one every other day over the summer. 90% of them never get a mention on the news.
Women in the co-op a day or so ago was going full on antivax radical at both me and the poor girl on the tills.
She was going to "save us" from having to wear masks and the virus "doesn't exist anyway".
Literally batshit. She was going to attend said rally in London btw. She told us that whether we wanted to know or not.
When she left, the girl on the till said that she didn't want to say anything to her as she thought she would get punched in the face...
F*** them all, my only concern is the poor sods that might catch it off these dicks because they haven't yet been offered the vaccine or can't have it due to medical conditions.
I’m nothing like my sister. Have you got a point?
Just attempting to playfully make the point that intelligence and craziness have very little in correlation with which point on the political spectrum one may sit…
Superb turn out in London today though, not that the msm will report on it.
Were you there?
Not all of them are right wing.
The three most Anti Vaxx people I know definitely aren’t right wing, two of them would be best thought of as radical left.
Absolutely. My BIL would strangle Boris & the rest with his bare hands, but he's anti vax.
My mrs thinks It's because of the blood clot issue (even though he flies long haul to the US) & he thinks some Tory is making a killing on it. Which they will be cos that's what they do.
There was a rally last weekend in Glasgow, any idea who organised the one today?
The reason for the right-wing/antivax/mask correlation is IMO because it's part of a general anti-science/anti-expert/anti-intellectual type movement which trends right-wing, and because if you take a cursory look at who's funding a lot of this it tends to be American super right wing lobby groups affiliated to fossil fuel industries for whom presumably a general lack of scientific literacy/confidence in science is very handy.
It's not just the right though - there has also been a concerted effort by Russian/Chinese trolls/bots to promote these type of ideas among the 'wellness' and 'alternative medicine' communities, because their inherent narcissism and gullibility lends itself well to conspiracy type thinking.
And you know, other reasons too I'm sure 🙂
Bumped in to the London one today sadly. Felt very uncomfortable squeezing past hoards of anti-science ****wits.
Broad mix of people, other than ethnically, which I'd say was 99.99% white. Quite a few 'save the children' chants, which is the Q-anon calling card, and a lot of 'built' young white men with tatts, who wouldn't have looked out of place on an EDL march. Mixing with a load of crustys too. This whole bollocks has definitely bought two opposing sides of the normal political spectrum together.
What these idiots fail to realise is that the world doesn't revolve around them. Masks and vaccines are about making the world safe for those who are more vulnerable than them.
My distaste for them is only matched by the tories.
This whole bollocks has definitely bought two opposing sides of the normal political spectrum together.
What these idiots fail to realise is that the world doesn’t revolve around them.
Yes, their hatred of the need for us all to pull together, has weirdly brought them together. Albeit in a batshit mental and entirely damaging way.
PS opposing the Tories handling of this does not automatically point ‘Left’
The most far right member of our family (thoroughly far right) believes that Johnson’s mob are a bunch of dictatorial, overreacting, controlling lefties. To the point that he actually just left the UK because of it’s ‘draconian’ governance in reaction to Covid. I asked him why he thought that, and he responded that it’s ‘just the ****ing flu’. As an illustration, I’ve been meticulously shielding and caring for Mrs P during the past year as she has an autoimmune disease and also gets pneumonia at the drop of a hat because of a pulmonary weakness. So during last lockdown said family member decides to visit on train from London, sans mask, waltz in and go straight in for a hug.
I’ve never had to work so hard at composure. So yes, these people will put you directly at risk for their politics.
cinnamon_girl
Full Member
Superb turn out in London today though, not that the msm will report on it.Were you there?
I'd imagine that no one in their right mind would admit to being one of those ****s
I'm in my right mind and was there.
Edit: in London that is.
Oh dear.
I’m in my right mind and was there.
Edit: in London that is.
I'm in an affable mood (see me other post).
Go on - are you able to give us a 50 word summary (without links - i.e. your own words) that might explain to the 99.99% of the population who don't agree.
I wouldn't CG.
If you are the person I think you're a lovely lady, but this will be like jumping into a bearpit. Which will be no good for you, and no good for debate either because it'll spiral into another argument where the usual suspects dogpile and shut down debate
I know it's perilously close to victim blaming before there's even a victim, but just be aware what you'll get.
Absolutely spot on ^^^
And yes CG is indeed a lovely person. I speak as someone who has met her.
Or another view, what's the point in going to rallies if you don't have the courage of conviction to air your opinions...
Victim. Interesting word. Lots of connotations in the last 18 months.
The person who has views out of kilter with most of society and is called on it.
The person who is now out of work as their business collapsed.
The person who died because of the thoughtless acts and risk taking of individuals or society at large.
Or the duped.
One person's victim is another's perpetrator.
I disagree strongly with cinnamon girl's views on this subject but bear-baiting her is not something I agree with either.
Secondly, no one's views will change one iota on either side. So... I'm out.
if you don’t have the courage of conviction to air your opinions…
Well CG obviously has, that presumably is why she went on the rally.
The bearpit comment is spot on. This place doesn't tolerate those who don't conform with the general consensus
I’m in my right mind and was there.
Good to know.
I’m in my right mind and was there.
I think the vast majority of the population ('sheeple' if you will) would debate at least part of that statement.
Each to their own, I guess. I hope those who attended today's rally have enough compassion not to visit any vulnerable friends and relatives any time soon. Science is science, regardless of whether you agree or understand it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm vehemently pro-vaxx, pro-lockdown, pro-mask.
I'm also vehemently anti anti-vaxxers. Not those that decide not to take it, although I think they should for themselves and others. I mean those who are IMHO peddling mistruths and bad science to get others not to take it.
And I'd love to debate that properly, but you can't on here.
Because open-mindedness, debating from a position of listening to try to understand another opinion is nigh impossible, due to the actions of some whose behaviour shuts that debate down. And also because of the wilfully ignorant, asking their reasonable and friendly questions with no intention of listening to the answers or learning from them. Sealioning I think it's called? Getting close in places to just outright trolling.
Stuck between the two occasionally a moment of true debate breaks out......and then it starts all over again.
A significant percentage of BAME NHS workers have apparently refused to be vaccinated, I would be particularly concerned if this was a sign of mental health issues.
Lack of trust appears to the main issue.
A friend of mine said to me recently, "I'm not having that vaccine, I don't know what's in it", which of course was true.
I too don't know what was in my astrazeneca vaccine, other than some bits of a virus someone found in chimpanzee shit, the difference is that I trust the people behind the vaccine, she doesn't.
A friend of mine said to me recently, “I’m not having that vaccine, I don’t know what’s in it”, which of course was true.
I am obviously doing it wrong as I do not read everything that I put in my body (prescription drugs or food) maybe that makes me a sheeple (had first jag 8 weeks ago and still living)
I do find it interesting that they are anti mask as well in general. Since the one thing authoritarian states are known to love is people hiding their faces in public. As plans go to control us sheeple the encouraging us all to wear masks seems somewhat flawed.
ernielynch
Free Member
if you don’t have the courage of conviction to air your opinions…Well CG obviously has, that presumably is why she went on the rally
Nice editing to try and obscure my point.
If her points are fair. Let's hear them. If they deserve ridicule. Then so be it.
Didn't mean to obscure your point seosam, please accept to my apologies.
If her points are fair. Let’s hear them. If they deserve ridicule. Then so be it.
Did you mean to sound pompous and judgemental? I can't figure it out.
the difference is that I trust the people behind the vaccine, she doesn’t.
One of you is wrong
I've not judged anything. Happy to take the thoughts on their own merit.
One of you is wrong
Well it can't possibly be me so it must be her!
Don't think she's mentally ill though.
Some people need an issue to hang on to (regardless of the truth/reality) they feel it gives them a position of knowledge and understanding that others dont have and subsequent status.
Think Qanon, Trump winning election, anti mask, anti vax.
This position has nothing to do with evidence or reality.
The above can be applied to religion.
However their position not only puts other people at risk it actually kills them, so they dont deserve any respect inferred or otherwise.
^ Better still, many are happy to let us to achieve herd immunity (just not with their help, only hindrance). At which point they will say ‘see, we didn’t need a vaccine after all, we developed immunity/it went away/it was just the flu, etc etc’
‘Maddening’ is an understatement.
Well done cg, no I wasnt there but saw a lot of live streams.
100's in attendance as reported by the msm LOL.
If it was blm or a protest about some remote shithole bombing another remote shithole that the majority of the population don't gaf about it would be headline news. But a massive protest about the restrictions affecting ever single person in this country, keep it hushed up
A friend of mine said to me recently, “I’m not having that vaccine, I don’t know what’s in it”, which of course was true.
That's fine and it is ultimately a personal choice. I choose what I eat, I choose what drugs I take, I choose what vaccines I have.
What I don't do is try to convince others they should do what I choose based on conspiracy theory and misunderstanding.
I am open to hear what cinnamon_girl has to say about not only why Covid vaccines are bad but why she is so convinced that she needs to go on a rally about it as I may learn something.
keep it hushed up
Oaft. Incoming
Well done cg, no I wasnt there but saw a lot of live streams.
OKay, can you give a couple of the key reasons why you support anti-vac?
At which point they will say ‘see, we didn’t need a vaccine after all, we developed immunity/it went away/it was just the flu, etc etc’
It's an endemic Coronavirus, pretty much everyone will contribute to herd immunity, they're just more likely to do so the old fashioned way and may be contributing in a few years time. Either that or live in a way that avoids exposure, both work.
100’s in attendance as reported by the msm LOL.
If it was blm or a protest about some remote shithole bombing another remote shithole that the majority of the population don’t gaf about it would be headline news. But a massive protest about the restrictions affecting ever single person in this country, keep it hushed up
In fairness, a protest in a massive city with "100's" of protestors doesn't really sound like big news.
In fairness, a protest in a massive city with “100’s” of protestors doesn’t really sound like big news.
Isn’t daveylad claiming that there were many more than ‘100’s’ but the numbers were deliberately under-reported/‘hushed up’ by the MSM because they weren’t protesting for ‘black lives’ or ‘shithole countries’?
A friend of mine said to me recently, “I’m not having that vaccine, I don’t know what’s in it”, which of course was true.
I can only presume this friend of yours grows 100% of their own food?
As for anti-vaxx protestors, well I guess that you’re on board with chucking out all other medical advances of the last century? Everyone knows that off the shelf painkillers for example contain additives that make you more likely to vote Tory. If you don’t believe me then do your own research.
Now excuse me I’m off to take my hay fever pill before booking my 2nd jab. On an entirely unrelated note has anyone noticed what a gorgeous man Bill Gates is? He only improves with age in my opinion.
Thanks to those of you who are getting your vaccine, it all helps my mum and dad hold their granddaughter for the first time in over a year.
@daveylad - what is your theory about under-reporting? ie why would an antivaxxer/anti-mask protest be ‘hushed up’?
Maybe the 'msm' 'under reports' such protests because crackpots' views don't need so much coverage.
Similarly the 'msm' don't interview Britain First when doing a piece on immigration. Their viewpoint is irrelevant when it comes to the national discourse.
I quite fancy having a bit of Bill Gates in me....
See that full "Carry on Vaccinating"
Maybe the ‘msm’ ‘under reports’ such protests because crackpots’ views don’t need so much coverage
I’d imagine the antivaxxers/antimaskers would prefer the protests to trend in all major towns and cities in major super-spreader ‘events’, while the rest of us would prefer not. Wouldn’t increased reporting lead to increased protesting/rioting via behavioural contagion?
According to the sceptics what is the vaccine meant to do?
Is it to kill me me ,track me or control me?
Maybe the ‘msm’ ‘under reports’ such protests because crackpots’ views don’t need so much coverage.
Similarly the ‘msm’ don’t interview Britain First when doing a piece on immigration. Their viewpoint is irrelevant when it comes to the national discourse.
My thoughts entirely. Somehow we seem to have generated an entitlement to all views and opinions on a subject being afforded airtime. There is a reason flatearthers don't get a slot on the geology and astronomy Open University lecture programmes. Similarly the innumerate probably should not get much of a platform on the dangers of vaccination.
I retract my invitation of last night to CG (my mood must have shifted overnight!). If this place does not give much respect to the antivax theorists and their views get a kicking I'm taking that as a good and healthy thing, a sign that 'we' are collectively of sound mind and don't suffer fools gladly.
CG does indeed seem to be a kind and well meaning person so I find it a shame she has fallen into this trap. In previous debates on environmentalism (where we are pretty aligned on where we want to be - i.e. I am very much on her side) she did come across as holding pretty superficial standpoints so I guess it's not too surprising.
I think there's just a growing trust issue between large like-minded members of the public and Gov/Big-Pharma/MSM.
MSM tell so many fibs - the protests in London have been in their thousands for a while now, and so people get peeved when they see it reported as 'hundreds'. Gov and MSM don't do themselves any favours. For some reason I've got a bit addicted to watching livestream events now 😀
I don't have much trust in Gov/MSM either, but I do trust the people on the frontline battling this. The scientists and the healthcare workers. I wouldn't wish other families to have to go through the Covid experience. It wasn't very nice, and the fear of watching a loved one nearly die outweighs any trust-issues I have.
My Jab is today...I'll take some extra protection please!
Everyone is entitled to an an opinion.
In my opinion,anyone attending these events is a selfish cretin.
I don't understand what the protest(s) are for. The vaccines aren't mandatory, so if, for whatever reason, someone doesn't want to get it, just don't, why protest?
I'm getting jabba #2 next week but I'm not going to go and 'protest' to change the minds of the minority who are choosing not to. Maybe I should, is that the deal?
The choice of location being outside a huge retail centre, rather than the usual outside Westminster suggests the 'target' of the London protest was general public rather than govt.
I don’t understand what the protest(s) are for. The vaccines aren’t mandatory, so if, for whatever reason, someone doesn’t want to get it, just don’t, why protest?
The protest is because they feel so strongly that people shouldn't have it that it is worth protesting for, for the sake of others.
Still waiting for just 2 reasons why from the anti vaxxers on this thread on the main problems with the vaccine...