[Closed] Anti mask anger - anyone explain it to me?

Oh god these people are vile

Lots of pig ignorant idiots with an unwarranted sense of entitlement coupled with Covid fatigue from 18 months of non-sensical instructions and guidance from a pig ignorant and entitled government, but mainly the former.

Selfish, entitled people placing their own interests above the rights and interests of everyone else.

Possibly.

They are vain - my appearance improves with a mask and i have a warm nose. Win win for me

It's the most piss easy thing to do and it's literally saving lives, and people can't bring themselves to make the effort. No patience for these people at all.

I'm afraid I see it as a sign of some sort of mental illness. Anxiety, anger problems, whatever.

As someone in Scotland that has 'had' to shop, travel and teach in one throughout you know how much it bothers me - zero. Sure, it's harder projecting your voice across a class of rowdy teenagers (who also have to wear one here) but it's no biggy.

I do wonder how many of the anti mask appreciate you don't wear one for your own risk mitigation but for others. The 'I can decide what is or isn't a reasonable risk for me' mob are just indicating a lack of understanding - intentional or otherwise.

I can’t believe anyone doesn’t have some idea of why folk hate being told or forced to wear a mask.

It may be a bad choice but I’m not believing anyone doesn’t understand it.

There a a difference between not knowing why they don’t and thinking folk are idiots for not wearing them.

Absolutely baffling, got sucked into reading lists of shit last night (that or strictly) that ex footballer Kevin Gage of sufc gave was pedaling about X number of players having heart attacks/heart issues after the covid vaccine. Omg the number of comments backing this was ridiculous, 90% littered with "facts" 🤷🏻‍♂️

@brads as someone who wears one in public all the time, no I am don't know why others don't

I despair. I've been wearing one the whole time in supermarkets/shops/crowded places the whole time & even have to wear one all the time at work, while driving a minibus with 13 SEN kids & wearing steamed up glasses (me, not the kids).
These 'anti maskers' can't seem to comprehend that Covid ain't going away & that masks help to reduce the spread. I think that's mainly due to lack of common sense/brain cells.

I have no idea either.  Here very few folk don't wear them.  Oddly enough two groups who seem not to are young men from building sites so I assume thats pure machismo and a few old folk -that I have no idea

But why people would be so vehemently against them - weird.

Sticking it to the man....

Brexit...

Anti vax...

Anti mask...

If you want to get deeper its about poorly educated people who on the whole have little or no control over their lives. They take this opportunity empowered by their Brexit vote to demonstrate that they have some say in things.. even if it requires them to abandon social responsibilty and potentially puts their family and friends at risk. They have no capacity to establish which hill they should die on.

Its sad.

Blimey @tjagain I'm agreeing with you

Yep no idea here too.
I get the feeling it is about control, which is ironic as apart from the vaccine this is a clear positive action that they control that could help

For such a tiny inconvenience it is a very strange reaction, I can only assume it's either a belief it's all part of some wider conspiracy type thing, or they're just desperate for some sort of pre pandemic normal.  A tiny number may have genuine reasons but it's never them gobbling off about how awful it is.

a few old folk

I just assume that more old folk are likely to suffer from breathing issues and that a mask might (fell like it) exacerbates that. Having said that, maybe we have a very healthy population of old folk in Aviemore because they're all wearing masks when appropriate/mandated.

Have you not seen the amount of people that voted for Johnson and Brexit, we live on an island that has a high percentage of f"(£1ng idiots

Good ol thick as pigsh1t is my observation.

Generally, like most of the rest of the sane world, wearing a mask seems like a very sensible thing to do at the moment. But this...

even have to wear one all the time at work, while driving a minibus with 13 SEN kids & wearing steamed up glasses (me, not the kids).

...seems like a very good time NOT to wear one!

I get wearing a mask. I get not wearing a mask. I cannot understand wearing a mask over your mouth but not your nose.

Absolutely baffling, got sucked into reading lists of shit last night (that or strictly) that ex footballer Kevin Gage of sufc gave was pedaling about X number of players having heart attacks/heart issues after the covid vaccine. Omg the number of comments backing this was ridiculous, 90% littered with “facts” 🤷🏻‍♂️

Our county council had a FB post yesterday with a link to sites for kids to get their jabs - jeez, the crap on there! Was particularly impressed by the number of likes to a comment that linked schools fundraising for defibrillators to a supposed epidemic of kids having heart attacks after the vaccine.

So much attention seeking stupid with so much access to a social media mouthpiece

@stumpyjon - our entitled goverenment can't be pig ignorant, our illustrious leader has been to peppa pig World after all  (someone had to say it)

But yeah, dont understand the non wearing of masks

I can't understand it especially when I an wearing my T&T uniform. I offer to take my mask off and cough on them. Seems its not what they want.

I’d rather not wear one, but limit my displeasure at their mandated return to a sigh and a shrug of the shoulders. Anything more is crazy.

The Venn diagram that has Brexit, Immigration, pheasant shooting, white and middle aged round the outside has anti mask festering in the middle.

We all know who they are.

But why the anger and vitriole

Yesterday on the back of the announcement about Omicron I advertised that masks please of visiting my workshop, lots of negativity including an “I hope you go bust” comment 🤣🤣🤣

I get the whole not shopping somewhere as you disagree with them about something or had a bad experience, but posting that sort of crap just suggests they have some sort of mild mental disorder - which seems very common these days. Pent up rage against the world that randomly explodes at the slightest inconsequential slight eg riding a bicycle on a road seems to trigger it in a lot of drivers.

But why the anger and vitriole

I would love to know why. My guess is a lot of people feel powerless / put down upon and have this coiled spring of animosity against the universe.

Wearing a mask, in shops, has to be one of the mildest inconveniences imaginable.

I wear a mask because I am convinced of the benefits to me and others. I do not walk around in a state of constant bemusement because not everyone thinks exactly the same as me.

I've never stopped wearing one. Sometimes I've been the only one in a supermarket with one on. However, tesco staff had theirs on today.

I still don't really understand why we stopped using them in the first place.

The only thing I don't like is all the disposable plastic waste. I've a few masks that get washed and re used.

@bikerevivesheffield Internet warriors are like little dogs that bark at everything but when a bigger dog comes near they back down and stop barking. The people that type those responses rarely back it up in real life. Hopefully you can ban them but I doubt they even ride a bike!

I can’t believe anyone doesn’t have some idea of why folk hate being told or forced to wear a mask.

@brads, the only reasons I can think of is that they are very, very stupid, or just utterly selfish ****s. If you think there are any other explanations, I'd be really interested to hear them.

I still don’t really understand why we stopped using them in the first place.

Pressure for the far right libertarians in the tory party - thats the only reason and why we continued them in Scotland as we do not have far right nutjobs anywhere near the levers of power

some of its a bit daft.  Wear one as you go into the pub and / or up to tha bar but remove it when you sit down - not hugely logical

So much attention seeking stupid with so much access to a social media mouthpiece

Which is why I have very little contact with most social media.

even have to wear one all the time at work, while driving a minibus with 13 SEN kids & wearing steamed up glasses (me, not the kids).

…seems like a very good time NOT to wear one!

What, you think I ACTUALLY leave the depot in a bus with steamed up glegs?
Yeah, I'm bound to.

Given up reading the FB comments section of anything regarding covid/masks ect as its just a cesspit that does no good to your own mental wellbeing.

TBH I dont like wearing them but its no biggie when I'm popping to the shops, especially if it prevents another chuffin lockdown (fingers crossed...)

It's the flu innit, you just need to get over it.

And the flu is just like a cold.

I've had lots of colds me and I'm still standing.

So I'm not wearing a mask because you tell me to.

And it gets in the way of me Carling.

It's just proper batshit crazy - I get not wanting to wear one, but "resist" and "overthrow the tyranny"? It's a strip of *ing cloth, you *ing wet-ends, no-one's tattooing a ****ing serial number on your forearm .

It's Trumpism in UK form isn't it, basically.

'My right to do exactly as I please at all times is paramount, and I don't think it's acceptable that I should ever face any kind of consequences or criticism for that'.

As someone who suffers from occasionally crippling anxiety, wearing a mask does make it worse sometimes. Go into a shop where you're wearing one, counter staff are wearing one, and there's a perspex screen between you, it can be genuinely hard to communicate sometimes.

If I'm not feeling very resilient it can be genuinely stressful/taxing. The mask can make panicky-type breathing more acute also.

I still wear one 95% of the time I'm in a crowded place indoors though, because I'm not a dick.

Humans and Rules = Arseholes !!

I cannot understand wearing a mask over your mouth but not your nose.

I can’t decide if these bastards are worse than the ones that don’t wear masks at all. Is it some form of piss take?

.

Can anyone explain why?

Perhaps they assume they are immune?

Yesterday on the back of the announcement about Omicron I advertised that masks please of visiting my workshop, lots of negativity including an “I hope you go bust” comment 🤣🤣🤣

Some people are not nice.

I wear mask at work or to shop all the time. For me I just wear one regardless and if they step too close to me I simply move back to maintain the distance. I don't need people speaking to my face one feet away. Oddly at work there are some colleagues who simply don't wear one and go about their life as normal. Not sure their reasons but I ain't asking and if they wish to speak to they just have to speak to me at a distance I am comfortable while I wear my mask.

Told you we need covid lick blocks in all town centres...

Lets see how many anti vaxx/mask folks fancy a lick

Hardly anyone in Tesco today was wearing one, even the door security wasn't wearing one either. But on Friday most people in Waitrose were.

But why the anger and vitriole

Because they have no argument. Therefore they can only rant.

I'll see tomorrow what % of my customers do....

Thing is, it's been gov advice to wear a mask and follow 'common sense' in places like shops for ages, it's just not been mandatory - but there's been a huge drop off of people actually doing it. In my shop around 80% of  people just don't bother.

Ive been having one on 10hrs a day since they were introduced last year. Anyone that kicks up a fuss I'll had my local MPs email address and say please write down any grievances to her...

Here very few folk don’t wear them.

This is not my experience. I pretty much hate wearing mine. It’s okay on public transport, in shops etc; but to wear one at work all day is unpleasant. However, I do wear one religiously as it’s important. My colleagues at work are forever taking them off. My boss, for one, who makes a point of telling everyone that they must wear one, is frequently not wearing theirs. This is despite having a persistent cough - “oh, it’s not covid”. I tell them constantly that they should put one on. Also, ~50% of pupils either do not wear one for ‘medical’ reasons, or it is mostly a chin warmer.

It's because people are ****ing stupid and they know they are stupid and that makes them angry. I got a few trains into and out of London, despite all the notices saying you should wear a mask the large majority didn't bother.
It's not helped by the idiot mixed messages coming from the UK government who pander to the stupid for votes.

I follow Guido on Twitter simply to see what the mouth breathers are up to.

When they announced yesterday that masks were back in fashion you can imagine the response. There are more of them than you think!

But why the anger and vitriole

Because they have no argument. Therefore they can only rant.

That's pretty much it I reckon.

To be fair, our local Aldi had more people wearing masks on Friday than there has been for a few months.

I've always wondered how these people would react if they were being wheeled in for surgery and no-one in the theatre could be arsed to wear a mask

Many countries are specifying FFP2 masks now also, but of course we won't because freedom. Worth picking some up imo.

I’ve always wondered how these people would react if they were being wheeled in for surgery and no-one in the theatre could be arsed to wear a mask

I suspect they wouldn't understand the risks and reasons for wearing masks.

Up on Scotland pretty much everyone wears one, but there is a tiny minority that don’t. And unfortunately it’s always the same type of person, 25 - 45 year old blokes, usually slightly overweight, don’t look like they are particularly well educated ..

They are obviously trying to make a statement of some kind… but all they do is look like a bit of a cxxx

some of its a bit daft. Wear one as you go into the pub and / or up to tha bar but remove it when you sit down – not hugely logical

Seems reasonable to me. If you're walking about the room you could be trailing COVID particles around the place, but if you're sat still irsnless likely.

The Venn diagram that has Brexit, Immigration, pheasant shooting, white and middle aged round the outside has anti mask festering in the middle.

I am white, 40, and voted for Brexit.
I also have a criminal record for activities related to disrupting grouse shoots and always wear a mask in indoor public places.
Let's avoid stereotypes.

I don't mind wearing one if everyone else does, but I'd rather not wear one if I have the choice.

During last years lockdown travelling to work on the train (Thameslink) everyone was wearing them but most of the station staff weren't, and it was rare to see train drivers on the train travelling to pick up points wearing them as well. After a while it got so nobody was wearing them.

I think the problem now is that the government want people to wear them on trains and public transport, but not in hospitality (pubs, clubs, restaurants). It doesn't make sense and most people realise this and think bollox to it.

people seem to think that mask wearing doesn't make enough difference to make up of the inconvenience and after 20 months pandemic and case rates in the 50,000s most of this year then I have some sympathy with that view.

There is also pandemic fatigue and wanting to "get back to normal" + usual selfishness of thinking "I'll be fine, I don't need to wear a mask I won't get ill."

And the vast majority of people won't.

It's very visible in the reaction to changes in travel restrictions - a feeling that the government is making things difficult/more expensive for people for no good reason.

If our leaders had been a bit less boosterish about unlocking then things may have been different...

Oddly only 1 of the 4 people working at the mobile testing unit I went to today was wearing 1.
Maybe they screen for those roles and only hire people with advanced immune systems.

The only place they seem compulsory any more is my work place.
Some of our projects are studies of disease transmission, so I know who I listen to.

But going back to the OPs question. I'd go with it being small minded insecure people thinking it makes them powerful in their sad way.

Let’s avoid stereotypes.

Is there a mask for that or is it best ameliorated by distancing?

Oddly only 1 of the 4 people working at the mobile testing unit I went to today was wearing 1.

Were they outside?

Stupidity has been politicised and weaponised.

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1465058431635791877

don’t look like they are particularly well educated ..

You can tell someone’s level of education by looking at them.

Ive read some tosh on here, but that’s quite the statement.

people seem to think that mask wearing doesn’t make enough difference to make up of the inconvenience

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211118/mask-wearing-cuts-new-covid-cases-study

If it was just about their own health it would be fine (if you leave aside the unnecessary pressure on the NHS) but there's an awful lot of vulnerable people out there who either have to stay at home or are afraid to go out and live their lives because some people just don't care enough to inconvenience themselves very slightly.

And if those people CBA wearing a mask you start to think are they hand-washing regularly, using alcohol gel, keeping distance where possible, getting tested, isolating if they test positive, etc etc?

“I’ll be fine, I don’t need to wear a mask I won’t get ill.”

Despite the constant messages that it's not about you, it's about other people.

I’ve a few masks that get washed and re used.

When Cazoo officially took over the company I worked for, (and effectively still do), we were given a bag full of odds and ends as well as our new uniform, one of those items was a rather neat face mask, properly fitted with adjustable draw-strings, and a little pocket to put replaceable filters in. I carry it pretty much everywhere inside a cloth sunglasses bag. I have no problem at all wearing it, it’s just with the colder weather it’s still tricky stopping my glasses from steaming up!

That reminds me, I ought to swap the filter over soon. Fortunately, I’ve yet to see anyone kick off about wearing a mask, possibly just lucky I guess.

I am white, 40, and voted for Brexit.
I also have a criminal record for activities related to disrupting grouse shoots and always wear a mask in indoor public places.
Let’s avoid stereotypes.

people can make decisions and have opinions I dont agree with across the political spectrum. Opinions are irrelevant.

Masks have statistically been shown to reduce the transmission rate, reducing the pool of active cases and enabling effective vaccine led suppression.

unfortunately, a significant majority of english are not um, wise. (30% mask compliance I read somewhere)

I think there is a section of men, for whom wearing a mask, questions their manliness. They see it as a weakness, especially in front of other men, so they don’t wear them.

Pathetic really, especially as they don’t seem to understand (or maybe don’t care that) it’s to protect others.

it cant just be a section, as the rates of mask wearing is so low. It goes deeper than that.

Hanging on in quiet desperation angry ranting is the English way

CZ, I have a couple of the masks you refer to and change filter at least weekly; filter is 5 ply.
The cheap shit, unadjustable, ill fitting, blue ones are only fit for the bin; I would neither blow my nose into one nor use one as an arsewipe.
I've been pissed off for ages about supermarket staff, generally, being mask free; will they be instructed to mask-up from Tuesday?
If they don't it gives an excuse for customers to not bother.

why the anger and vitriol

You've just called them out for being self-possessed dickheads

Half of the population are of below average intelligence.. they also aren't going to let facts get in the way of their opinion.

But why the anger and vitriole

I assume that it’s all down to fear. Different fears for different folk, but fear nonetheless. Fear of change, of things not being normal. Fear due to a lack of control. Fear of being small and alone. Fear of being contained and controlled. Fear of seeming weak. Anger and lashing out at others is most often due to deep seated fears, isn’t it?

The cheap shit, unadjustable, ill fitting, blue ones are only fit for the bin; I would neither blow my nose into one nor use one as an arsewipe.

the ones we were given at work when we were dealing with people with active covid?

Not wearing a mask violates rule 1 tbh. But then, the people dying from Covid now are massively more statistically likely to be anti-vaxxers.

So spread away tbh. You're probably improving the gene pool.

My 2 cents regarding the unasked.

England
2 or so months ago when in Scarborough, very few we're in masks anywhere, those that were were generally the old and infirm.

Scotland
My local Tesco has remained predominantly masked, But contrary to the above I've seen more young women than men unmasked I'd say 60:40. I won't cast my aspersions about their socioeconomic status but they were the type who deam it appropriate to wear pyjamas out shopping.

Some people are just ****s.

I’ve noticed over the last week or so more people started wearing them again in shops, especially supermarkets.

After Trump politicised masks in the US an American psychologist did a very good piece on why, men generally, were so opposed to wearing them.

It's been been mentioned already really but much of it is down to some men (of a certain disposition) seeing it as flagging weakness to other men.

So you are seeing a primal urge from our animal past not to show weakness battling our modern brains that know wearing a mask is prudent and logical.

I spent many an hour sitting on a patch of grass people watching** others going into the local co-op and independents next to it during the warmer months of '20 and 21. There is a definite set of demographics in play.

I was surprised at the mask compliance by younger guys in truth, the group I thought would be the worst. It was much better than expected, really heartening to see. In fact the worst were men of a similar-ish age range to me, basically 40's upwards, then compliance went up again for men in their late 60's/ 70's. Hardly scientific but I found it interesting.

Oh and I agree with whoever said builders almost always didn't wear them, at any age. Peer pressure/ "bantz" is a powerful thing.

** It was the nearest I could get to "the great outdoors" due to "reasons".

It’s been been mentioned already really but much of it is down to some men (of a certain disposition) seeing it as flagging weakness to other men.

And the women?