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it's all in the previous pages.
1/ it won't stop transmission, it reduces it by reducing viral loads in carriers, etc., and theoretically reduces the amount that's transferred as well. But as it is more prevalent, even though each contact in itself may have a reduced chance of transfer, more contacts with it increases that risk again that it will be passed on.
2/ the seatbelt analogy. Everyone you know that has it has had their vaccinations - but that's because the vast majority have had vaccinations now. Most people injured in car crashes are wearing seatbelts - are seatbelts ineffective then?
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There used to be a Crimestoppers type advert on a bus stop near where I used to work, "two out of five thefts from cars are from unlocked vehicles" - damn, I'm worse off by locking mine then.
Lol. Saw bill bailey relate a tail regarding being stopped for not wearing a seatbelt. He was informed the drummer from Def leppard was involved in a car accident where, unrestrained, he left the vehicle without one of his arms. His girlfriend, who was wearing a seatbelt, was killed...
Movement limitation is just the same as needing a driving license to drive. Get vaccinated to travel. Pretty simple and fair to me.
Movement limitation is just the same as needing a driving license to drive.
Yeah if you want to go abroad they also make you apply for a little blue book that holds your personal details, just so they can track wherever you go. AND it costs money, and you can't leave the country without it. Whatever happened to freedom? Nazi bastards!
It left with the red ones.
Yeah if you want to go abroad they also make you apply for a little blue book that holds your personal details, just so they can track wherever you go. AND it costs money, and you can’t leave the country without it. Whatever happened to freedom? Nazi bastards!
What's worse is they make you carry a little box around in your pocket that tracks your movements at all times. AND it's sometimes 5G too.
No, 5g is a conspiracy don't be silly.
We have 6G round here.
Are TAs and teachers in the same union?
Not to my knowledge. Teachers are pretty well unionised, support staff much less so generally.
My OH (a TA) is in UNISON I'm told.
Anecdotal but Mrs Pondo's colleagues aren't even speaking to their unions, too much to do! From her as an individual I know there's a lack of confidence that anything could or would be done anyway.
I see school absence has made Beeb headlines. Good - it's a shambles.
My OH was in Unison when she was a TA. She's now a teacher and in the NEU... oh, and currently in bed ill with Covid. For the second time this academic year.
Going by the number of messages for shifts needing covered it’s getting worse for us too.
I take it you didn’t actually fact-check your sources?
Nope didnt check, and we've already had that a couple of pages back, but then you wouldnt have had the impetus for the rest of your little speech.
Took the first quote google offered and seemed to fit, which is does actually, and while not factual in relation to who said it, it is the type of thing someone like that would say. So at the very least the implication is there.
Thanks for your time. Noted 😀
Took the first quote google offered and seemed to fit, which is does actually, and while not factual in relation to who said it, it is the type of thing someone like that would say. So at the very least the implication is there.
Said every antivax'r ever......😄
This thread to me was a Troll from the start
This certainly seems to be the case
Said every antivax’r ever
Yeah but im not an anti vaxxer.
Oh i see. In the latest which hunt, all that is needed is the accusation. The hope that that offsets any suspicion against the accuser.
And while is wasn't a direct accusation, again the implication was there all the same.
Well done 😀
and while not factual in relation to who said it, it is the type of thing someone like that would say
"It's all made up nonsense... but in a way, doesn't it illustrate a real truth far better than all that science, history and facts stuff?!"
Anyway, the slippery slope argument that was supposed to be reinforcing can be used to make anything sound extreme... "yeah, you can argue that is reasonable and proportionate... but if they can do this, imagine what else they might do?!? Today it's temporarily requiring people have a vaccine or a test before going to a concert... before you know it they'll be raiding your home at the dead of night to steal you semen!"
Were this 17th century New England, it would be clear who still has their farm and who's a smoldering pile of ash in the town square 😆
And while is wasn’t a direct accusation, again the implication was there all the same.
Nope, no accusation - you've already stated several times you're not anti vaccination, but you have clearly made the same mistake as many who are with the antivax crowd.
Google something to reinforce beliefs, find something that fits - doesn't matter how factually correct it is, just crow bar it in. When pulled up on the facts, say it doesn't matter - it fits my rhetoric. You must see the irony?
Nope, no accusation – you’ve already stated several times you’re not anti vaccination, but you have clearly made the same mistake as many who are with the antivax crowd.
Yeah I know that really. but it can be quite depressing being constantly on the defensive in these kind of threads 🙁
Apologies for any undue accusations on my part.
No harm done really 🙂
but it can be quite depressing being constantly on the defensive in these kind of threads
Kool Aid available at the normal outlets. Otherwise a little thought before posting ‘facts’ need not be depressing. Learning is fun 😉
What is truly depressing is defending against the mountains of social-media misinformation, disinformation, and Holocaust-baiting around COVID-19, and during a pandemic. No need to take it personally. You’re not alone in disseminating falsities and drawing false comparisons between vaccine requirements and victims of Nazi persecution. And I’m not alone in challenging it.
@plus-one - apology accepted, in turn I likewise apologise for my heavy-handed response.
@Mods - please would you mind deleting my responses (aside from this, obvs) to plus-one? Many thanks.
My vaccine only works if you also took it. Same with all vaccines in history right?
4 shots in a year and STILL getting sick is normal for all vaccines in history.
This virus is so dangerous you need a test to know if you have it and a cloth mask is essential safety gear...
US CDC is stating that the likelihood of severe illness and death is 100x more likely in the unvaccinated. 25% of the US is unvaccinated - 85m people. Case rates and death rates are at their highest since the peak of the Delta wave. Johns Hopkins said that hospitalisation is at its highest level throughout the pandemic. More movement, by more vaccinated people, means more unvaccinated are getting seriously Ill.
Yes, Omicron is less severe, but infections rates are staggeringly high, and even a small fraction of a very large number, is still a large number of severe illness and death cases. The really sad thing is that it’s almost all completely avoidable…
Yes, Omicron is less severe, but infections rates are staggeringly high, and even a small fraction of a very large number, is still a large number of severe illness and death cases. The really sad thing is that it’s been pointed out several times over the course of this thread and people still don't get it and almost all completely avoidable…
A thought I have always had is what happens in the long term on number of deaths per country. As unless variants such as Omicron completely die out then any of the countries who have done very well (i.e. NZ) still have a ticking time bomb years away unless they continue testing, vaccinating and lockdown cycle for next 10 years as there is still the risk from the very high infection rate and therefore fairly high illness and death rate at any time.
This virus is so dangerous you need a test to know if you have it and a cloth mask is essential safety gear…
Are you dim or what? It has a good chance of killing you if you happen to have the deadly response to it. And it has killed lots of people. Weren't you paying attention these last two years?
It's like firing guns up into the sky. The bullets will miss most people on the way down, but it's still considered dangerous.
My vaccine only works if you also took it. Same with all vaccines in history right?
4 shots in a year and STILL getting sick is normal for all vaccines in history.
This virus is so dangerous you need a test to know if you have it and a cloth mask is essential safety gear…
Let me rephrase that for you.
The vaccine isn't 100% a bullet proof sheild but it helps reduce your chance of infection and speeds the clearing of the virus.
For me at present it seems it's not a threat. Others are not so lucky, with or without pre existing health conditions.
Masks are for the safety of others.
On a basic level, people spit when they talk
Actually I can't be arsed, morons are morons
Is my 13 year old daughter's Spanish teacher telling his class that wearing masks is a waste of time just exercising his freedom or is he being an arse? I've told my daughter that she can exercise her freedom by ignoring him or telling him he's an arse.
BTW a fifth of her class are off with COVID which presumably proves that masks are a waste of time to the teacher. It tells me that the pandemic isn't over (as do the Zoe figures for Chiltern which are the highest ever - over 40,000 active cases per million)
4 shots in a year and STILL getting sick is normal for all vaccines in history.
Well, if you've already had 4 shots, then I presume you must be someone identified as being more at risk, you're immunocompromised or something... so a quick thank you to everyone else getting their 2 or 3 shots, and wearing masks, and everything else they've been doing with you in mind, wouldn't go a miss.
This virus is so dangerous you need a test to know if you have it and a cloth mask is essential safety gear…
Well, you've understood something then. Yes, it is the combination of the following that have made this virus so dangerous...
- that you can be infectious while you are asymptomatic
- that it can have short and long term effects on the infected
- that transmission only requires sharing of droplets
...so tests are required, and masks can help reduce transmission to some degree.
I presume you must be someone identified as being more at risk, you’re immunocompromised or something…
Poor diet?
My vaccine only works if you also took it. Same with all vaccines in history right?
No, it works better. If I wear a seatbelt in a car my survival rate is higher, if the person sat behind me doesn’t my rate drops. That doesn’t mean seatbelts don’t work.
4 shots in a year and STILL getting sick is normal for all vaccines in history.
4? 2 initial doses and one booster. My flu jab contains 3-4 variant covers in 1 shot so doesn’t need more than one, the flu season is also only a few months.
This virus is so dangerous you need a test to know if you have it and a cloth mask is essential safety gear…
You need a test to confirm cancer.
This virus is so dangerous you need a test to know if you have it and a cloth mask is essential safety gear…
Internet dickhead makes stupid comment shocker…
It’s like firing guns up into the sky. The bullets will miss most people on the way down, but it’s still considered dangerous.
It really isn't. We knew back in early 2020 that the virus impacted the elderly and those already vulnerable with other conditions the hardest, and a by huge orders of magnitude at that. Chris Whitty said as much in one of his March 2020 briefings. The young and healthy have been thankfully at very little risk from it. Please see data here:
Therefore all we have done with our policy of treating everyone as though they are at roughly equal risk, by quarantining the healthy, is to spread our resources far too thin, whereas we should have targeted all of our resources and treatment at those who most need it. This has resulted in needless death and suffering in the elderly cohort, a disproportionate impact on healthcare for all, and caused huge damage to everyone else in the process.
Another sad consequence is that by adopting public health measures with no proven efficacy in the real world (e.g. cloth masks), by using 'unfit for purpose' modelling to drive policy, and by attempting to coerce vaccination with threats of loosing jobs, vaccine passes etc, is that the public confidence in it's government and in public health policy is becoming badly broken. The trust is largely gone and it will take an awful lot to get it back. Such a shame.
And lo, the trolls have arrived. Welcome to the forum new poster!
This virus is so dangerous you need a test to know if you have it
This is actually correct.
It's dangerous because you can have it, not know you have it and go around giving it to everyone else. The symptoms which put you in hospital or worse don't occur for several days after infection.
This is what makes it different from, say, flu and why these unprecedented measures have been necessary. I am astonished, genuinely astonished that you don't know this, we've been talking about it for two years now.
If only just a few of those 11 points were actually true you may have a point...
Therefore all we have done with our policy of treating everyone as though they are at roughly equal risk,
We are all at roughly equal risk. Equal risk of giving it to everyone else.
Haven't you got bored of creating new accounts yet? You must be in double figures by now, take the hint.
@petemoore you are going to need way more citations if you are going to go against the majority of the UK scientific community. Are you aware that a leading epidemiologist working on COVID is a regular poster here? You have a big hill to climb and you will need more than internet waffle and selective interpretations.
It’s dangerous because you can have it, not know you have it and go around giving it to everyone else. The symptoms which put you in hospital or worse don’t occur for several days after infection.
This is what makes it different from, say, flu and why these unprecedented measures have been necessary. I am astonished, genuinely astonished that you don’t know this, we’ve been talking about it for two years now.
Asymptomatic transmission has mostly bee de-bunked and drives only a very tiny percentage of cases. It is a lie to suggest that we are all a walking danger to everyone else. If you are ill, stay home. Simple.
These people need to be pariahs
What do you reckon then ?, maybe wear some sort of identifying badge so you can spit on them in the street.
If you disagree with what I have posted then reply by all means, but with a reasoned argument
It's a waste of time. This is mostly ill-informed nonsense and you'll only change the subject if we do.
The trust is largely gone
I reckon 50-75% of customers at my local Asda are wearing masks.
@petemoore:
Another sad consequence is that by adopting public health measures with no proven efficacy in the real world (e.g. cloth masks)
So you say.
But before that one goes around the block again, I wonder maybe you could help me put this one to bed:
As far as COVID-19 deaths and cases in the years 2020-2021, why has Singapore fared so much better than the UK (per capita)?
You mean like this?:
And this?
And this
And this?
Asymptomatic transmission has mostly bee de-bunked
Gonna need some proof for that claim.
If you are ill, stay home. Simple.
Yeah, that's been working well so far, hasn't it.
So why would someone not want their vaccine? There are plenty of logical reasons, none of them to do with 5G or microchips:
1. The long term side effects of repeated vaccination are as yet unknown.
2. The vaccine is still only approved in the UK under emergency use legislation.
3. Anyone who had had Covid-19 already will have already acquired robust immunity from natural infection. See here:
Natural immunity as good as vaccine immunity
4. The refusal of the CDC and Pfizer to release vaccine trial and approval data.
5. Anyone of healthy weight, with no serious health problems, and under 50 is statistically at a tiny risk from Covid-19.
6. There are significantly more side effects from the vaccine than are currently being reported or acknowledged. I personally know six people who have had serious adverse reactions to their jabs. One is still unable to walk unaided.
7. The number of people to die from just Covid in the UK is only 17,000 (or so) as revealed by the recent ONS freedom of information request. This changes the balance of vaccine v’s infection risk somewhat.
8. The vaccine does not significantly reduce the transmission of the virus.
9. Cases per 100,000 in the vaccinated have been higher than in the unvaccinated, (adjusted for group size) in recent months.
10. Omicron has torn up the previous rule book and the efficacy of the current jabs seem marginal and short term at best.
11. High levels of vaccination, or measures like vaccination passes do not seem helpful in ending the pandemic. See Israel here:
Israel cases
And in France here:
France cases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
It is a lie to suggest that we are all a walking danger to everyone else.
Fascinated to learn how it spreads, must be all those covid wards we all so frequently visit.
friends with an antivaxxer needs to be in the same league as being friends with drunk drivers, domestic abusers, and paedophiles.
😳😳😂
Perhaps a bit harsh!!
6. There are significantly more side effects from the vaccine than are currently being reported or acknowledged. I personally know six people who have had serious adverse reactions to their jabs. One is still unable to walk unaided.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and call bullshit, unless you classify "serious adverse reaction" as "a sore arm" and "bit tired".
Here's my full view on the anti Vax brigade....
Your body, your choice - fine I understand this .....
But I also think that the statement is also inherently selfish and uneducated, but I won't hold that against them. Theres always going to be a proportion of the population who are selfish or uneducated or both.
There are flat earther's, moon landing denial, global warming denial, many, many god worshipers etc. All of these things are against my personal beliefs in a similar way to anti-vax - but don't directly effect me or the people around me so I generally disregard them. & I'm sure there are many who feel my views are anti theirs.
However the difference with antivax is it immediate and direct implications with public health - the others, flat earther's, religions etc can be put In the looney category as they don't directly effect others. Antivax (for now) can't.
Anti Vax won't go away, if unvaccinated now, they prob will be for ever - or will continually try to find new and exciting ways to copy and paste from Google.
Also - don't feed the trolls....😃
Are you aware that a leading epidemiologist working on COVID is a regular poster here?
I have seen what he says but he seems focused like so many scientists, on a very small area of research, at the exclusion often to what is happening out there in the real world. He seems out of touch with the consequences of the policies he seems to support, lacking in empathy even, unable to evaluate with an open mind an alternative course of action. Perhaps he is skewed by his own statistically rare experience of Covid? There are many far more senior epidemiologists and virologists who would disagree with him. But hey, that's science.
*Torn between answering every single false statement, and this... 🙂
Also – don’t feed the trolls….😃
I reckon 50-75% of customers at my local Asda are wearing masks.
It's probably about 95%(or higher ) here in Scotland.
There's even talk about making masks a full time thing. Which given pollution etc isn't such a bad idea, When you take into account a country where wearing masks is normal, their rates from Covid, it makes a lot of sense.
Take Japan for example
Population size - 125 million. Deaths from covid 18500 thousand
Its normal there to wear a mask.
The UK. Less than half the population, and 150,000 deaths
Now probably it's not entirely down to wearing a mask, but with figures like that and taking into account Japans aging population, it has to play a pretty important part.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallopNice.
<< In practice, each point raised by the "Gish galloper" takes considerably more time to refute or fact-check than it did to state in the first place. >>
Nah, it doesn't. Watch and learn, Grasshopper.
1. The long term side effects of repeated vaccination are as yet unknown.
No they aren't.
2. The vaccine is still only approved in the UK under emergency use legislation.
No it isn't.
3. Anyone who had had Covid-19 already will have already acquired robust immunity from natural infection. See here:
No they won't.
Natural immunity as good as vaccine immunity
No it isn't.
A link to a YouTube video going "send money here" and a Uganda phone number.
4. The refusal of the CDC and Pfizer to release vaccine trial and approval data.
No they haven't.
5. Anyone of healthy weight, with no serious health problems, and under 50 is statistically at a tiny risk from Covid-19.
No they aren't.
6. There are significantly more side effects from the vaccine than are currently being reported or acknowledged. I personally know six people who have had serious adverse reactions to their jabs. One is still unable to walk unaided.
No there isn't, no you don't and no they aren't.
7. The number of people to die from just Covid in the UK is only 17,000 (or so) as revealed by the recent ONS freedom of information request. This changes the balance of vaccine v’s infection risk somewhat.
No it isn't and therefore no it doesn't.
8. The vaccine does not significantly reduce the transmission of the virus.
Yes it does.
9. Cases per 100,000 in the vaccinated have been higher than in the unvaccinated, (adjusted for group size) in recent months.
No it hasn't.
10. Omicron has torn up the previous rule book and the efficacy of the current jabs seem marginal and short term at best.
No it hasn't and no it doesn't.
11. High levels of vaccination, or measures like vaccination passes do not seem helpful in ending the pandemic.
Yes it does.
See Israel here:
And in France here:
We don't live in either of those countries and there's another 200 to go at.
Gonna need some proof for that claim
Why are you even engaging with this clown?
he seems focused like so many scientists, on a very small area of research,
What, "science"?
If only just a few of those 11 points were actually true you may have a point…
1. Is obviously true. I'm not saying there will be long term side effects but until time has passed will we not know.
2. The UK did approve as there was an emergency. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4759
3. There has been a peer reviewed paper that shows this to be true.
5. This is true.
7. This is true. Although that doesn't mean C19 didn't end other people lives prematurely who were ill with other things. So a bit misleading.
So to dismiss everything out of hand is incorrect and not helpful.
So to dismiss everything out of hand is incorrect and not helpful.
Burden of proof. Let him prove us wrong.
In dismissing everything out of hand we've provided exactly as much evidence as the original poster. Some of it might have an element of truth, it's likely to be so even. That's how these wall o' text arguments work, by providing just enough truth and half-truth to add credence to the rest.
Why are you even engaging with this clown?
Good point. I'm done here. If I still had access to the hammers I'd be spam-killing by now.
And lo, the trolls have arrived. Welcome to the forum new poster!
Again...
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and call bullshit, unless you classify “serious adverse reaction” as “a sore arm” and “bit tired”.
One of these ladies in this video is a good friend of mine. I won't tell you which one for privacy's sake but would you tell her to her face that it is bullshit?
our policy of treating everyone as though they are at roughly equal risk, by quarantining the healthy
This never happened. We reduced social contacts to reduce transmission to protect those at risk.
Welcome to the forum.
One of these ladies in this video is a good friend of mine. I won’t tell you which one for privacy’s sake but would you tell her to her face that it is bullshit?
No, I would tell you to your face that you're talking bullshit. Next?
But hey, that’s science.
Please don't use the word science while you are posting links to YouTube* and Instagram videos as 'evidence'.
*Which would be laughable enough - but the "please send me money" with Ugandan contact details takes it to thermonuclear LOL levels.
1. The long term side effects of repeated vaccination are as yet unknown.
2. The vaccine is still only approved in the UK under emergency use legislation.
3. Anyone who had had Covid-19 already will have already acquired robust immunity from natural infection. See here:
Natural immunity as good as vaccine immunity
4. The refusal of the CDC and Pfizer to release vaccine trial and approval data.
5. Anyone of healthy weight, with no serious health problems, and under 50 is statistically at a tiny risk from Covid-19.
6. There are significantly more side effects from the vaccine than are currently being reported or acknowledged. I personally know six people who have had serious adverse reactions to their jabs. One is still unable to walk unaided.
7. The number of people to die from just Covid in the UK is only 17,000 (or so) as revealed by the recent ONS freedom of information request. This changes the balance of vaccine v’s infection risk somewhat.
8. The vaccine does not significantly reduce the transmission of the virus.
9. Cases per 100,000 in the vaccinated have been higher than in the unvaccinated, (adjusted for group size) in recent months.
10. Omicron has torn up the previous rule book and the efficacy of the current jabs seem marginal and short term at best.
11. High levels of vaccination, or measures like vaccination passes do not seem helpful in ending the pandemic. See Israel here:
1) Vaccines tend not to have longterm side effects, they disposed of very quickly but the immune response remains.
2) That doesn’t mean it not licensed
3) No, they have some immunity it’s showing not to be very effective and comes with larger risk as you have to catch covid first.
4) They’ve never refused that us utter misinformation. They have agreed to release the data but with a warning the data requested is vast and will take years to compile.
5) Yes they are but they can stil get the virus, still be very unwell with and of course are more likely spread it to others.
6) If they’re not being reported then how do you know. Your sample of 6 is swamped by billions without any issues. You also have to provide absolute evidence that the very sad new of your friend was caused by the vaccine.
7) Just from covid yes as in point 5, that’s your tiny risk. But this doesn’t mean the other 130k or so didn’t die due to covid. The highest underlying cause was diabetes, diabetics can live quite long lives. However, they’re at risk of various illnesses such as flu and covid-19. This is why they are vaccinated and why it’s important others should be vaccinated to help reduce the risk.
8) It reduces it by a large amount, it keeps people from being seriously ill, it reduces you chance of death and helps keep hospital bed clear. The more vaccinated the less likely it is to spread.
9) Simply not true. However, why not look at the deaths instead the unvaccinated are vastly outweighing them.
10) No, no it hasn’t. Omnicron came along around a year after the first vaccines, as in many other vaccines that meant a booster was needed. You know just like the flu has an annual vaccine.
11) And you think the answer is no vaccines and no restrictions?
You’re a new member, maybe, spreading misinformation on the virus. Unless you have interests in other areas of the forum or provide credible information it’s probably best you disappear.
Please don’t use the word science while you are posting links to YouTube* and Instagram videos as ‘evidence’.
*Which would be laughable enough – but the “please send me money” with Ugandan contact details takes it to thermonuclear LOL levels.
In his defence the majority of that video is a UK based Doctor discussing a paper published by the CDC. Who is certainly not an anti vaxer.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm#contribAff
Nah, it doesn’t. Watch and learn, Grasshopper.
1. The long term side effects of repeated vaccination are as yet unknown.
No they aren’t.
2. The vaccine is still only approved in the UK under emergency use legislation.
No it isn’t.
3. Anyone who had had Covid-19 already will have already acquired robust immunity from natural infection. See here:
No they won’t.
Natural immunity as good as vaccine immunity
No it isn’t.
A link to a YouTube video going “send money here” and a Uganda phone number.
4. The refusal of the CDC and Pfizer to release vaccine trial and approval data.
No they haven’t.
5. Anyone of healthy weight, with no serious health problems, and under 50 is statistically at a tiny risk from Covid-19.
No they aren’t.
6. There are significantly more side effects from the vaccine than are currently being reported or acknowledged. I personally know six people who have had serious adverse reactions to their jabs. One is still unable to walk unaided.
No there isn’t, no you don’t and no they aren’t.
7. The number of people to die from just Covid in the UK is only 17,000 (or so) as revealed by the recent ONS freedom of information request. This changes the balance of vaccine v’s infection risk somewhat.
No it isn’t and therefore no it doesn’t.
8. The vaccine does not significantly reduce the transmission of the virus.
Yes it does.
9. Cases per 100,000 in the vaccinated have been higher than in the unvaccinated, (adjusted for group size) in recent months.
No it hasn’t.
10. Omicron has torn up the previous rule book and the efficacy of the current jabs seem marginal and short term at best.
No it hasn’t and no it doesn’t.
11. High levels of vaccination, or measures like vaccination passes do not seem helpful in ending the pandemic.
Yes it does.
Cougar, perhaps you should have a look at the actual real world data outside of the utter guff that is spewed continually in this echo chamber. The real world data disagrees with you on every single point. You are not only ignorant, but seemingly wilfully ignorant.
I'm wondering if the name petermoore is In reference to the Welsh serial killer....
Or the Dr Peter Moore who said
After the vigorous assessment from the MHRA I would be absolutely confident that any minute risk from a Covid vaccination is less than the risk of contracting the disease.
You are not only ignorant, but seemingly wilfully ignorant.
You know that the statement works both ways right? as Cogar, said he's only used the same tactic as used in your post. Unfortunately your 'google it' ways won't work here....
Damn, I engaged 😄
Cougar, perhaps you should have a look at the actual real world data outside of the utter guff that is spewed continually in this echo chamber. The real world data disagrees with you on every single point. You are not only ignorant, but seemingly wilfully ignorant.
Ah, irony.
I've provided exactly the same amount of evidence to back up my claims as you have, which is "none whatsoever." As I said earlier, there's little point in me wasting time in actually fact-checking your claims because if I do prove you wrong you'll just ignore it and change the subject. We've all seen this movie before I'm afraid.
I'd love to have a look at your actual real world data. Off you pop and provide it and we'll go through it together. But if you think I'm doing your legwork for you, you really must be new here after all.
😃😃😃
One of these ladies in this video is a good friend of mine. I won’t tell you which one for privacy’s sake but would you tell her to her face that it is bullshit?
Here’s a video of my friend on public social media post, I won’t tell you which one as the public video is private,
Ah, irony.
I’d love to have a look at your actual real world data. Off you pop and provide it and we’ll go through it together.
Why don't you provide the data to back up your dismissal of my points? Because you can't? Drac has had half a go but much of what he has said is disputed by many eminent scientists. Your response is pathetic though. You are the one promoting lockdowns and restrictions, not I, therefore the onus is on you to prove beyond doubt that the measures you support have efficacy.
Why don’t you provide the data to back up your dismissal of my points? Because you can’t?
I probably can't on some of them, but that's not my problem. Google "burden of proof." Why don't you provide the data to back up your points which you are claiming and we'll start from there?
Hate to break it to you sunbeam but this ain't Facebook.
Drac has had half a go but much of what he has said is disputed by many eminent scientists.
Which scientists are they?
Your response is pathetic though.
I simply responded in kind to your post.
You are the one promoting lockdowns and restrictions
I don't recall promoting anything.
therefore the onus is on you to prove beyond doubt that the measures you support have efficacy.
Well, the long-term side-effects are as yet unknown.
@petermoore You still don't see the irony.....?
No one has to prove anything, to anyone - you or Cogar. Just go on your merry way happy that your beliefs are in a minority and no one will change that. We aren't going to convince you and like wise. The thread quite literally is about why we disagree with antivax'rs regards vaccination, not lock down measures or anything else.
Stop feeding it!!! You know it’s pointless - entertaining but pointless!
Here’s a video of my friend on public social media post, I won’t tell you which one as the public video is private,
Well if you can't see the video then here is the support group: https://www.realnotrare.com/
Why don’t you provide the data to back up your dismissal of my points? Because you can’t? Drac has had half a go but much of what he has said is disputed by many eminent scientists.
Go on the show me these eminent scientists or will be another instagram video, I’ve watched that. Let’s just say I’ve seen better acting on Holby then some of those.
The onus is on you to prove your claims, otherwise you won’t be able to argue your case let alone change anyones mind.
Well if you can’t see the video then here is the support group
The fact you struggled to understand that is speaking volumes on your understanding of evidence.
Abusing others won’t help your cause.