[Closed] Anthrax Conspiracy Theories Anyone ??

I hope none of your relatives ever falls on hard times....

I think it is more likely to be accidental contamination

I guessing they got immune to all the other crap thats put in, and that they'll soon be immune to anthrax.

Funny that when the Scots were dying earlier in the year we didn't hear about it?

I've had plenty of hard times, never once have I thought about taking smack! Or any other drugs for that matter.
Nobody forces them into it. Good riddince I say, bloody scumbags are a scourge on society

John Bush is a lot better than Joey Belladonna

5.....4.....3....2......

"Funny that when the Scots were dying earlier in the year we didn't hear about it?"

We've heard plenty about it.

I really do hope that these addicts can be helped. I have to say though that walking through Paisley nobody gives a monkeys about them. The politicians hand out money to them and then pretend they don't exist.....

when I say addicts, I mean all addicts - can we get them off their drugs?

I've had plenty of hard times, never once have I thought about taking smack! Or any other drugs for that matter.
Nobody forces them into it. Good riddince I say, bloody scumbags are a scourge on society

Self-righteous judgemental ****s are more of a scourge on society imo.

Not until they want to.

It would be cheaper to society to just give them a nice clean supply of smack. a junkie with their smack does not cause trouble

Sorry why are they worthy of my pity.

If people have mental problems or personal and are made homeless then i think that every effort should be put into helping them. But when a choice is made to knowingly inject class A into your system then whatever comes of that choice then its on their own heads.

Personally i believe smackheads are a scourge causing untold misery on not just people in their own sphere but outside that. How does anyone think they pay for the drugs?

christ dont get me into this again!
have a bit of compassion pleeeeease

"Sorry why are they worthy of my pity."

Maybe because they are people too? We're all human?

"Sorry why are they worthy of my pity."

Maybe because they are people too? We're all human?

Yep and wait until you are burgled and your bikes and all youre expensive gear are nicked to pay for their drugs. I'm sure you will have loads of compassion for their situation then.

Grumm - you'll soon change your tune if one of your loved ones gets mugged or burgled by one.

.......dying from anthrax. long may it continue.....

Good riddince I say

I think any person who gloats over the deaths of other human beings, is hardly in a position to pass judgement on other people.

I would suggest that they seek help for their ****ed up heads, and not concern themselves too much about others.

Certainly not gloating, but they're of far more benefit dead than alive.
I challenge you to argue the point on that one

I hear what you're saying jabba - but that's the fault of our government. They choose to ignore the problems rather than deal with them.....

The majority of drug addicts are either unwilling or unable to give up. If they want help, it's available.

Certainly not gloating

[i]"Good riddince I say"[/i]

You need to check out the meaning of gloating.

there's f all real help available

TJ has a very good point though on this.
But, why should we? Where do you draw the line and justify it? Do we give free coke out? Waccy baccy? Cigarettes? Booze?

No its the fault of the people who knowingly inject themselves so then become addicted causing a cycle that they cannot get out of.

Recently locally to me an old lady was mugged and killed by 2 junkies looking for cash. And crimes like that happen regularly all over the country.

Its not the governments fault. These people had the choice to do inject or not. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Yes they deserve help if they seek it and truly want to help themselves. Then the government and others with the capacity to help should do.

TheFunkyMonkey - Harsh man, very harsh.

TJ has a very good point though on this.
But, why should we? Where do you draw the line and justify it? Do we give free coke out? Waccy baccy? Cigarettes? Booze?
Cash to gambling addicts! Prostitutes to sex addicts!

I am so not getting involved with this one ! So no conspiracy theories then ?

"The majority of drug addicts are either unwilling or unable to give up. If they want help, it's available."

Certainly not the case here about the help available. You wouldn't believe how much money is thrown at them. I believe that this money could be put to better use to help them but then it would more than likely infringe on their human rights.....

Grumm - you'll soon change your tune if one of your loved ones gets mugged or burgled by one.

My house got broken into and robbed by what the police reckoned were smackheads. Didn't change my opinion one bit.

I totally agree, very harsh indeed.
But how does the old lady feel now? Exactly.
Her relatives, neighbours that now live in total fear...
How would you feel if it was your gran? I'm fairly sure you would have zero sympathy. Given the chance, i'd aft you'd like to be left in a room alone with a bat, no? Bet i'm not too far off the mark.

Here's another thing.

The drugs are illegal. So who do we blame - the police and customs for letting it get into the country and onto the streets?...

UK drug policy has failed completely. We have more junkies than other countries and our junklies get more numerous and younger every year - the opposite happens in other countries.

Junkie crime cost billions - in some areas 70% of crime is by junkies.

All that is available is methodone replacement - it does not work ( there is some good drug rehab places but not enough)

Every £ spent on junkie rehab saves £7 in criminal justice system.

Coke / sex addicts don't mug and steal to get their money.

Give 'em all free smack - then Afghanistan has a legitimate cash crop, crime falls massively, and a huge amount of money is saved. Trweat it as a public health issue not a criminal justice one.

[i]The majority of drug addicts are either unwilling or unable to give up[/i]

I think you'll find that's pretty close to the definition of an addict, so not much an insight really. Suggest you get back to the Mail.

Legalise heroin; available on perscription from the Chemist - set the price at either the normal rate or at a (generic) mark-up price for a drug out of patent.

Never happen? Well it was for a long while:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4647018.stm

This way it can be controlled and taken out if the hands of the crims.

We sure as hell need to try something else. Prohibition has made things worse and a well supplied junkie does no harm

br +1

No conspiracy about it, it's caused by the way they're sometimes smuggled in. As for not hearing about when it was in Scotland, only if you had your head up your arse. Not even worth discussing anything with Jabba and he's beliefs.

The thing is with smack is that one poor judgement or stupid mistake buggers up your life for good. Personally, I believe people deserve more than once chance. As many chances as they need, actually. As long as they want to change of course.

+1 for TJ. In fact no, +5.

Interesting idea TJ.

If it were made available then how do you see these people contributing to society? Would they be able to contribute or would they spend all day using? And would we need a network of carers to oversee all of this?

That's a geniune qeustion by the way.

TJ why don't we just fly them to Afghanistan and cut out the middle men.

The Taliban will have twice the targets and the same amount of bullets. save a few soldiers in the process.

crime goes down everyones happy.

i was just looking for conspiracy theories. not a row about judgemental ####s, personal experience and failed government policy

Human rights dogooders would never allow it 🙁

"i was just looking for conspiracy theories. not a row about judgemental ####s, personal experience and failed government policy"

LOL did you really expect anything else?

So, what's your conspiracy theory?

don,t have one. that is why i asked

[i]i was just looking for conspiracy theories. not a row about judgemental ####s, personal experience and failed government policy[/i]

It's called a conversation.

Alcohol is a greater drain on the NHS, Alcohol damages more families and relationships, Alcohol is a factor in more crimes than any other individual identifiable factor. Lets put anthrax in alcohol and see how casual you are about human life? no one chooses to be an addict, no one thinks it will happen to them, but one small slip can change your life forever. also, I think you're getting confused between the difference between a user and an addict. Media stereotypes of "smackhead criminals robbing grannies and eating babies for a fix", are often quite different from reality. Sure, there are some that fit the image, there are also plenty of people with jobs who use opiates recreationally, there are plenty of addicts with severe health problems who use opiates as pain relief and become addicted. There are plenty of people who genuinly are trying to give up, but its not as straightforward as simply not injecting anymore.

To be honest, everyone is welcome to their opinion, and plenty of people have some fairly horrific opinions in my opinion (just read the mail!) but when we start killing people or glorifying/justifying their killings based on their lifestyle choice aren't we no better than the fascist regime that our grandparents fought to protect us from? Whats next?

Zedsdead - Member

Interesting idea TJ.

If it were made available then how do you see these people contributing to society? Would they be able to contribute or would they spend all day using? And would we need a network of carers to oversee all of this?

That's a geniune qeustion by the way.

They will eat and shop and so on - and spend the rest of the time sitting on the sofa being very very dull indeed. Giro + enough smack = quiet boring useless junkie. still a drain on society - just a much smaller one. They will have less health problems as well.

I personally believe that that approach would reduce the number of addicts as you would remove all the rebellion and excitement of the illegality and kids would see that lifestyle for the dull waste of time it is. Even if it doesn't from a purely pragmatic point of view it would reduce crime and cost the country less.

Most junkies would like to be able to function more or less normally and indeed there are many who do - its because they function well that no one hers about them.

Heroin does not cause the health problems that alcohol does nor the violence and so on - its lack of heroin that causes junkies to commit crime. A junkie who has had their fix will just gouch on the sofa being no trouble to anyone.

Not even worth discussing anything with Jabba and he's beliefs.

Which part is not even worth a discussion because im not the one saying they are better off dead just that i have no sympathy for them as most turn into little crime waves to feed their addiction. And generally honest people suffer because of it. As far as i am aware what i have stated is an absolute fact. Off the fence now drac. If you or a family member was a victim of a violent crime that was a result of a junkie trying to rob said person for cash to get their fix what would your stance be then?

Jabba - how about finding ways to reduce the problem? Prohibition has not worked,

Its easy to condemn - its harder to find solutions

[i]If you or a family member was a victim of a violent crime that was a result of a junkie trying to rob said person for cash to get their fix what would your stance be then? [/i]

Same as it is now, I've had cases with these people they have a problem they need help. I'd be angry but there's plenty crime committed by those that don't have a drug problem too.

Sorry I got names mixed up hoykalot is the one not worth discussing with.

I can see valid points there TJ.

What about children? Many of these junkies have kids - who looks after them? Who brings them up with proper values and respect?

One would hope that a less chaotic lifestyle with a bit more money around ( 'cos they get the smack without spending the giro) would give the kids a better chance.

TJ i completely agree that if there was a workable solution to reduce the problem then it should be embraced and i also believe that if a person really wants help to get rid of an addiction and better their own life and others then again they should be given every scrap of help to do this.

Prohibition - has it ever worked? But in all honesty can you see any government legalising drugs? Your idea has a lot of validity. Makes me think of one of the seasons of The Wire where drugs were legalised to certain areas.

What that does'nt mean is i have sympathy for said junkies because the very first time they injected they knew exactly what they were doing and more often than not the consequences of that action.

"Yep and wait until you are burgled and your bikes and all youre expensive gear are nicked to pay for their drugs. I'm sure you will have loads of compassion for their situation then. "

Have been, that's why I have insurance. All new for old, did me a huge favor in the long run, saved me having to mince about spouting reactionary Daily Mail style nonsense and banging my blood pressure through the roof as well.

LOL @ jahwomble 😀 ........shame you don't post as often as you used to.

What that does'nt mean is i have sympathy for said junkies because the very first time they injected they knew exactly what they were doing and more often than not the consequences of that action.

just like anyone who ever smoked a cigarette/ drank a beer?

it's broken britain! BROKEN!

loving the www.singledailytrackmailworld.com right now. I wish I could be so happy with everything in life and so sure of myself that nothing bad ever was going to go into my body....ever...

pricks

[img]John Bush is a lot better than Joey Belladonna [/img]

😆

It's true, I've always thought Sound of White Noise was their best album, I get into fights over it at work with my manager about that. Not physical fights, mind.

I wish I could be so happy with everything in life .....

Do what I do, when I feel there might be a risk that I might start to feel sorry for myself ..........I remind myself how lucky I am not to have ended up an alcoholic or drug user. I could easily have become either or both, if my life had taken different turns......and I have known people who were not so lucky 😐

don't get me wrong ernie, everything at the moment is aces! 🙂 Just never know what may come and people spouting on about how they'd never be this or that and having pride in people dying is pretty messed up imo. i guess the sheltered little dailymailytes have been lucky enough to never know anyone with any problems

Indeed ernie.

I have lost friends. One to a smack OD ( possibly deliberate)
One to wine, fags and no food, one to beer, fags and cocaine, one to alcohol and one to auto erotic asphyxiation.

*awaits post about how hoykalot et al knew somebody who was so hooked on benylin they almost lost the X5 so we shouldn't judge until we know all the facts*.....

nina it was calpol and an audi a4 avant but way to recent to discuss

It seems that, every time someone offers an extreme opinion, people jump in to accuse them of being a Daily Mail reader, or a middle management BMW driver.

I understand that Nick Griffin chap has some extreme beliefs, but I doubt he reads the Daily Mail. He might drive a BMW though, I suppose.

Why does the fact that hoykalot stated an extreme view automatically make him a someone who hangs around with Benylin addicted X5 drivers?

Is it not even remotely possible that he might not be someone who aspires to a BMW and a middle class existence?

In fact, isn't it more likely for blue collar workers to hold stronger views on drug addicts than white collar workers or middle management, on whose lives addicts maybe have less impact?

I don't agree with what hoykalot said, but I can't quite figure out how people have managed to deduce his preferred daily newspaper and identify that he has a benylin addicted friend who drives a BMW from just one paragraph.

Sherlock Holmes, please step aside!

i think it's the simple maths of

daily mail reader = prick
hoykalot (and the others) = prick (s)
hoykalot (and the others) = daily mail reader (s)

now, where's that ruddy meerkat...

once owned a bmw but now drive a citroen C5 estate. don,t really buy newspapers cause they don,t report on uci mountain bike events and definetly working class. what cars do the rest of you drive

X5

nina how very very rude

nina - my views might not sit well with you and i hate to tell you this but i never ever read the Daily Mail. I have never lost anyone close to drugs but i have a couple of mates who when we were all younger and took quite a lot of pills decided to go further and start shooting up heroin. Theirs and their loved ones lives took a serious turn for the worst.

So make of that what you will but if all u have is to call me a prick then fire away 😀

good mates then?

Not really but we all hung around together at the time. We all went our seperate ways not long after. Stopped taking pills and grew up a bit.

Why all anger from you??

anger?

nina - Member

i think it's the simple maths of

daily mail reader = prick
hoykalot (and the others) = prick (s)
hoykalot (and the others) = daily mail reader (s)

now, where's that ruddy meerkat...

lots of it there..

not really, like it says it's just maths

Well that clears that up then 🙄

Jabba - have you been on here long? that is hardly anger

Fair point - Bored tonight i guess. 😀

Night all 😀

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[i]Do what I do, when I feel there might be a risk that I might start to feel sorry for myself ..........I remind myself how lucky I am not to have ended up an alcoholic or drug user. I could easily have become either or both, if my life had taken different turns......and I have known people who were not so lucky[/i]

I'll drink to that.

Surely muggers and buglars who aren't drug addicts have a greater degree of responsibility for their actions than junkies and therefore deserve something worse than anthrax?

controversial!!!!!!!!