[Closed] Another very lucky biker!

Rider is a dickhead pure and simple. No skills and giving other bikers a bad name.

I don't think he've had made it round anyhow. And as you rightly point out, a complete tool!

Very very lucky.

...the people in the car that is.

The rider, with skills like that, is probably delaying the inevitable.

Entered the corner a bit faster than he was comfortable with and target fixated on the car, lucky guy.
This will be happening all over the country over the next few months as people get their bikes back out after the winter break, for most it'll just be a 'moment' with no consequences
Feel sorry for the people in the car something like that is going to shake you up pretty badly.

Nobby. When I lived near Glen Coe I got sick of veering very close to walls in my van to avoid bikers veering over the line on bends because they were riding well over their ability. Stopped veering after a while and scared the crap out of quite a few. Amazed I never had to wipe one off the front of the van.

And to cement his idiocy he gives out his full name.

He appears proud of himself, if that was me I'd be acutely embarrassed and would probably delete the video before anyone else saw how much of a silly boy I'd been, I certainly wouldn't be giving interviews about my crap riding!

veering over the line

He clearly, and deliberately, crosses the double lines overtaking at the beginning.

Asshat. Lucky to be alive, but still an asshat.

I laughed at that one.

[i]And to cement his idiocy he gives out his full name. [/i]

I do hope he receives a visit from the police.

Surviving stupidity doesn't mean you deserve an opportunity to repeat the experience.

Looking at the video, he just missed a section of dry stone wall as the section below the fence where he went down had gone already, probably from a previous accident, lucky lucky bloke 😯

Very common biking accident that. Running wide on a left hand bend into oncoming trafic. Too fast, and didn't know the road. Lucky boy.

Not the first and def won't be the last on the Cat.

Is it not a six pointer for overtaking on double whites?

TBH i don't see why he's an idiot ? He made a mistake, misjudged a corner, i've done it, you've done it.. we've all done it... either on MTbs, roadbikes or in cars..

Why is he an idiot ?

Well the two other bikers he overtook at the start on double whites makes him an idiot. No consideration for other road users, idiot again. Thinking he's a distant cousin of Rossi, once more an idiot....

Because when I've misjudged a corner in a car and nearly smashed into someone else I've been a friggin' idiot.

Misjudged? I don't think so. I think he knew how fast he wanted to be going and is therefore an asshat of the highest order.

Reminded me a bit of Connor Cummins off at the 2010 TT:

Is it not a six pointer for overtaking on double whites?

You can do, but only if you cross them. You can overtake legally when there are double whites, just don't go over them, unlike this chap.

I used to cycle the Cat regularly. Most bikers were OK, but a few were absolute bellends.

Seeing sand and sawdust all over the road soaking up someone's blood was always a reminder why that road is one of the country's most dangerous.

[warrior mode on]

Is it just me, obviously on stopping and seeing he was ok and picking up his go pro would anyone else have gone completely ****ing postal at him if you'd been the driver of that car?

None of you overtake on Double whites ?

Even on motorbikes ?

Even on fast motorbikes on a clear road ?

Honestly ?

He made a mistake, misjudged a corner, i've done it, you've done it..

Yes, I have. However, when I have, I'm generally going at a pace that means I won't run clear across the other lane and into the scenery.

Misjudging the corner doesn't make him an idiot, doing it at that pace when he obviously doesn't know the road might.

[i]None of you overtake on Double whites ?

Even on motorbikes ?

Even on fast motorbikes on a clear road ?

Honestly ? [/i]

1) no

2) don't ride one but I wouldn;t on a road bike

3) it wasn't clear, he was on a bike faster than his skills and road sense could cope with and going round a blind bend.

4) honest.

Never overtake on double whites, they are there for a reason..

I'm not a biker, so my opinion there is limited. The bloke was a KNOB and hopefully someone will report the video and he gets a nock on the door from plod.

edit to add, My brother past his full license yesterday and I had words, if he does something stupid like that, i'll have more words..

Is it just me, obviously on stopping and seeing he was ok and picking up his go pro would anyone else have gone completely **** postal at him if you'd been the driver of that car?

I would have waited till he got back up to the road, then run him over.

That'll teach him.

TBH i don't see why he's an idiot ?

😯

Seriously? No sorry I'm not going to feed the troll.

Can't see how he didn't make that fairly shallow looking corner really. Didn't seem overly fast but I guess that may be the Gopro-effect..
Lucky 😯

None of you overtake on Double whites ?

Only when it is legal to do so as given in the highway code. The whole point of double white lines is they are there for a reason.

Remember it was not just his own safety he risked by riding like that. Completely selfish and reckless when he should know better.

Weeksy - he nearly killed some people in a car who'd done absolutely nothing wrong, purely because he wanted to ride fast and couldn't handle it.

As a youth I did some stupid shit in cars but I wouldn't try and defend it now.

His road position is totally wrong for a tightening bend.

If he has any sense he'll hang up his leathers and buy an MTB

There's no harm in nipping a foot over the double whites for a moment, not where he did it.

The issue was hugging the left verge on the approach to a left hander - he could easily have gone round that corner at that speed* if he hadn't done absolutely everything wrong, and then target fixated on the car. Another vote for 'first ride this year and very rusty'.

* not actually that fast, even with the fish eyed go-pro's tendency to make everything look 200% more dramatic and awesumz it still didn't look quick.

Seriously? No sorry I'm not going to feed the troll

No, i simply don't see it...

I see a bloke who made an overtake that was perfectly fine (despite being on double whites) and then messed up a corner...

Jesus if we're going to be hung for every mistake, take me away now, guilty as charged.

To be fair to the idiot, he did actually admit to being an idiot in the video.

[i]Jesus if we're going to be hung for every mistake[/i]

A mistake is having to brake a bit more heavily than you expected to.

The point is it was an avoidable error made by someone travelling too fast for either their skills or the conditions. He seems to feel it was 'just one of those things'. It wasn't he caused it. The fact there weren't more serious results for either him or the other people was down to luck.

Peoples road safety shouldn't; be down to whether another user is feeling lucky on any given day.

Don't see anything massively wrong with the overtake but the corner....

Weeksy - he admits to being an idiot but you beg to differ? 😉

I hope he gets prosecuted.

Those who don't think he's a dick...

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(Motorcylist on the next desk says "He's a c0ck")

I agree he was in the wrong, i disagree this makes him an idiot and should have charges brought against him though.

If i misjudge a corner at the weekend like that, should i be prosecuted too ?

Meh... it was a non-incident where he messed up a corner... no more no less.

I hope he gets electrocuted

How is that not dangerous driving Weeksy? Any time you end up on the wrong side of the road with a car coming the other way - you've done something seriously wrong.

Depends on your perception of slow... his 'slow' would appear to have not been slow enough.... however, to someone else it may have...

Misjudgement of corner entry...

grum - Member
How is that not dangerous driving?

If he had made the corner perfectly well, we wouldn't even be discussing it. How is it dangerous driving ?

Remember that tree that jumped out on your at BPW you nearly rode into ? Exactly the same thing... you made a mistake, got target fixation and went straight on....

[i]it was a non-incident where he messed up a corner... no more no less[/i]

How on earth does flying off the road trying to avoid a car that's coming towards you as you're going too fast in the wrong lane, wrecking your bike and ending up 30m from the road count as a 'non-incident'?

Can you tell us what an incident is?

Or maybe hypercuted

Typical of the morons on the road today who don't think the signs apply to them, whether it be "slow" or "Queue ahead". Doesn't mean me, I'm invincible. Morons.

If he had made the corner perfectly well, we wouldn't even be discussing it.

Yeah but he didn't. 😕

Remember that tree that jumped out on your at BPW you nearly rode into ? Exactly the same thing... you made a mistake, got target fixation and went straight on....

Except the only person I was going to hurt was myself.

I couldn't understand a word he was saying, I don't speak 'chav'.

Maybe we should all sue Alpinestars for rescuing another scrote from the jaws of Natural Selection.

The worrying thing is, that little ballbag will breed.

Looked like he had a pretty posh house too. 🙂

I was a tool on a motorbike - which is why I gave it up and stuck to mountain biking. I think that risks I take on my pushbike are analogous to track day riding - if I stack it and get hurt - meh - it's just me, and I'm less likely to do very serious harm to myself than on the road (btw I'm careful on public bridleways etc when walkers, dogs, horses are around).

To take a race and chase attitude onto a public road on a motorbike is why I was a tool - so I stopped. I've plenty of mates who ride motorbikes fast and safely, but I think I was too aggressive. I've calmed down a lot now though, but haven't been tempted back.

Can you tell us what an incident is?

Apart from the obvious one of where they hit an on-coming car and do some damage .... Not really.

[i]Apart from the obvious one of where they hit an on-coming car and do some damage .... Not really.[/i]

so if he'd been left a paraplegic you'd still be...meh?

Stupid little muppet, hope he gets a visit from cheshire police, and the poor car driver and passengers, they must be seriously shocked, the driver could have easily lost control and been down the bank, causing unecessary sufferring for their family and freinds, and a huge drain on the nhs and emergency services.

I agree, Idiot.

Doesn't mean it needs to be taken any further than a minor talking to, he knows what he did wrong and has hopefully learnt from it.

I wouldn't care if he ended up a paraplegic,i'm just an I.T. guy who sits at his desk and argues all day on the internet.feel my wrath you very naughty biker.

Nearly hitting a tree at BPW isn't even close to being the same thing. A designated MTB route is a controlled environment, not a public road.

He's on a blind left hand bend. Unless you are an idiot you realise that you need to be careful on blind left hand bends becuase if you make a mistake you end up on the wrong side of the road and you can't see if anything is there.

Therefore he's an idiot and admitted as much

Was he really within the speed limit ?

Surely he should be able to get round the corner OK if he was within the speed limit on a motorbike ?

I think he just ran out of skill, no more, no less?

hooli - Member

I think he just ran out of skill, no more, no less?

and judgement.

the Beeb are presenting The Cat and Fiddle as "Europe's most dangerous road!"

the road is fine, it's the dickheads that are the problem.

I'm not sure that it's just the BBC's subjective assessment of the situation.

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Cat and Fiddle road tops crash league [/url]

[i]The Cat and Fiddle road, where dozens of bikers have come to grief at high speed, had 496 fatal or serious accidents for every billion vehicle kilometres between 1997 and 1999, making it the most dangerous in England and the second most hazardous in Britain.

Despite a police watch, bikers from all over the country and abroad have flouted the speed limit and tested their riding skills on the narrow, twisting, Cat and Fiddle road across the moors. Even the use of a spotter aircraft to pinpoint speeders has failed to curb its popularity as a racetrack.[/i]

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_and_Fiddle_Road ]Cat and Fiddle Road[/url]

[i]In June 2008 the road was yet again named as the most dangerous road in Britain by the Road Safety Foundation. This single-carriageway route was the location of 21 fatal and serious crashes, and was rated in the EuroRAP report as Black, the highest risk rating. [/i]

Swinley had loads of crashes on their blue run when it opened - does that mean it rates as one of the most dangerous trails ???

the road isn't dangerous. it's the idiots who don't take into account it's twisty nature that are the problem.

Total tool. No thought for others who he may have killed and family devastated by loss. Should be prosecuted dangerous driving

TurnerGuy - Member
Was he really within the speed limit ?

Surely he should be able to get round the corner OK if he was within the speed limit on a motorbike ?

What? You do know that having a speed limit of 60mph doesn't mean that every corner can actually be taken at 60mph?

The longer version of the video is worth watching, gives a better idea of how he was riding after he crashed his Aventador

That video is some of the clearest evidence of dangerous driving I have seen and goes way beyond a mere mistake. The distinction between weeksys "non incident" and " the obvious one of where they hit an on-coming car and do some damage " is only the random chance of the position and actions of the on coming car. In the world of grown ups if you ride badly it is dangerous whether or not the obvious risks are realised.

Clearly riding way beyond his skill level, not going that fast, road position wrong, ahalf arsed attempt at tipping in, does not commit bottles it, does not know to look for increasing/decreasing apex, should stick to scooters!

Oh dear.. Fast vehicle and little talent.
Starting the corner on the inside, oh dear, bound to run wide, thats why you should start the corner from the middle of the road, so you end up on the inside - after the apex...

And double whites. I make a point of not overtaking on them, can annoy some, but I got done a few years ago for coming back in from an overtake, literally 2 mtrs after line went solid.

Inexperience and probably done himself a favour and will slow down in future.

the road isn't dangerous. it's the idiots who don't take into account it's twisty nature that are the problem.

Well that's what makes it dangerous then. No road dangerous if no one uses it. It's the people who use it that makes the difference.

Agree the guy rides like a c0ck, but fair play to him to putting his hand up and admitting it, and telling others publicly to be careful.

I'm a biker and it made me think and if it makes one person ride a bit more carefully and avoid the kind of accident we nearly saw there then that's a good thing no?

My mum and dad met a biker on the wrong side of the road on that very road a few years ago. He missed them but stacked the bike. He had some problems moving after the crash but reassured them they were only injuries from his last smash which he was still recovering from!

I cannot believe that people are defending his riding. Try watching the full video. It's not just a matter of running out of 'talent' he rode dangerously and stupidly and put other lives at risk.

But I also agree fair play for admitting as it may make others think and save their lives. He is opening himself to prosecution as he blatantly breaks the law, wonder if he realises this?

I've been nearly hit by bikes twice by similar idiots losing control. As much as I like motorbikes (I don't ride one), there are some real idiots out.

Well that's what makes it dangerous then. No road dangerous if no one uses it.

Mr lucky b***rd is clearly displaying cock-ish behaviour in the vid

Fast vehicle and little talent.

Glad he survived and could go home to his family but that was a mistake made simply because he was going to fast.

Idiot is harsh but fair.

As a courier in London I had one golden rule, dont go the wrong side of traffic islands, now I have one golden rule when out on my bike and that is dont cross double white lines unless I am overtaking a tractor, as laid out in Highway Code.

Oh and I have been an idiot in the past 😳

But I also agree fair play for admitting as it may make others think and save their lives. He is opening himself to prosecution as he blatantly breaks the law, wonder if he realises this?

I think it's more a case of the Jeremy-Kyle-class/Facebook-generation desperate for his 15 minutes of fame.

He's probably hoping he'll get his sock cooked by some little sweat with scraped-back hair, pierced tongue and a sleeve tat that's foaming at the knickers at the thought of all those retweets.

the road isn't dangerous. it's the idiots who don't take into account it's twisty nature that are the problem.

Maybe it's just me (somehow I don't think so) but it doesn't have the feel of a 'normal' road it feels as though it's been put down by a group of driving enthusiasts; the corners are all pretty much perfect but not repetitive, the surface is good and visibility is good. It just flows.

This is what I think draws people and encourages them to maybe go a bit faster than they normally would.

Not dangerous? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Don't think speed was the issue (although a contributing factor), poor road positioning on entry IMO.

Don't think speed was the issue

Seriously? He'd just passed 2 riders and was pinning it to get away. If he'd have stayed behind the first rider he'd have been fine - excellent line and controlled speed... He'd could have learnt a lot from him.

Speed was the ONLY contributing factor. If he'd not been going so fast his road position wouldn't have resulted in him having to straightline his final corner! 🙄

Here in Snowdonia we get the fair weather bikers coming from Cheshire/Manchester/Birmingham region.
Unfortunately at least 1 death occurs each month. I have witnessed absolutely crazy maneuvers such as overtaking on blind corners and wonder what goes through someone's mind to do such a daft thing.
EDIT: I wonder what the defenders of this guy would say if the bike was a black Lamborghini?

He's probably hoping he'll get his sock cooked by some little sweat with scraped-back hair, pierced tongue and a sleeve tat that's foaming at the knickers

Aren't we all?