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After the poor wee girl in Dundee, a wee lass in Kilmarnock has had her face mauled by an Akita.
Jesus christ. It's time for someone to grow some balls and make a decision on the ownership of such animals.
Jesus christ. It's time for someone to grow some balls and make a decision on the ownership of such animals.
You're right.
Time to put the owners to sleep.
dog and ferret in the same garden, not a good combo.
Dog and child in the same garden, not a good combo.
Last night, as Toni lay in hospital, dad James Dixon said: "These dogs shouldn't be with families or around kids. They are killing machines."
I know I am going to get into trouble for this but I kind of consider it to be a form of natural selection.
I have a dog and would trust him to the end of the earth with a kid. If you are the sort of person who keeps a dangerous animal, the chances of your offspring surviving are diminished. Whats the problem?
[dons flame retardant suit]
If you are the sort of person who keeps a dangerous animal, the chances of your offspring surviving are diminished. Whats the problem?
In both cases the children attacked were not the dog owner's children.
So if you or your child end up with your face ripped off by some out of control mutt you know where not to come for sympathy.
My parents have had dogs for the last 30 years. Well 2 dogs a spaniel and a labrador. I like fairly placid dogs but I still had to go to hospital after the spaniel bit me. I'd never own a dog myself, getting up at 6:30 to walk it, carrying its shit home in a tesco bag, er no thanks!
But now there appears to be a trend towards dangerous dogs. It scares the crap out of me when I take my 2 year old twins to the park and see a couple of fellas getting some staffordshire or something to jump up and hang off a tree. I've no idea how you control the situation but any dog that looks like a rottweiler / ___ bull terrier should be confiscated on sight and killed regardless of the owner
Whats the problem?
In this case it wasn't the owner's offspring that was mauled.
My next door neighbours when I was little probably thought the same as you, until they had to take their teenage daughter to hospital to have her face sown back on after their beloved dog attacked her.
[url= http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/09/02/dad-s-horror-as-killing-machine-dog-savages-10-year-old-girl-86908-22530764/ ]STW stylee comments[/url]
dog and ferret in the same garden, not a good combo.
My brother has a Golden Labrador, three ferrets and four cats. No problems there, the ferrets love tormenting Honey the dog then running away.
The Dangerous Dogs Act, like so much legislation over the last fifteen years or so is a useless piece of ill thought-out rubbish. If people want a dog they should have a licence, the dog should be chipped, and the dog kept on a short lead at all times when in public places. A small child has been threatened with loss of an eye after contracting Toxicara Canis, when she fell and put her hand into dogshit that a thoughtless owner had left in a children's play area, which the dog had no right to be in. I've nearly had dogshit in my mouth after riding through some left on a cycle path and it splashed up off my tyre all over the frame and up into my face. If people want a dog then they should be prepared to pay to own it, in the same way as a car or a television. 'Weapon dogs' are totally unacceptable, and should be shot and the owners jailed. Ownership of a gun is considered unacceptable, and so should such dogs be.
I don't have anything against dogs. It's dog owners I hate. I regularly have to kick dogs to stop them jumping on my kids when they are in public parks. Keep them on a lead and away from my kids and they wont get kicked. My kids have a right to not be jumped on and terrorised by dogs.
Did you know, on average, cows kill more people than dogs do.
If people want a dog they should have a licence, the dog should be chipped, and the dog kept on a short lead at all times when in public places
None of that would help stop the above attacks though would it. And people without licenses would magically stop having dogs? Nope. All it would do is make it harder for responsible owners.
The Dangerous Dogs Act, like so much legislation over the last fifteen years or so is a useless piece of ill thought-out rubbish. If people want a dog they should have a licence, the dog should be chipped, and the dog kept on a short lead at all times when in public places.
If people want a dog then they should be prepared to pay to own it, in the same way as a car or a television. 'Weapon dogs' are totally unacceptable, and should be shot and the owners jailed.
This would massively DECREASE the stupid and thoughtless abuse perpetrated on defenceless dogs every day by ignorant, ****less owners.
However, as most Britons seem to have the same blinkered, outdated and illogical attitude toward dogs that Americans display toward firearms, it's sadly never going to happen.
Good on you for having the courage to say it.
Let's see how many genuinely responsible STW dog owners are prepared to agree with you.
Akitas aren't generally dangerous dogs. You wouldn't want to piss one off but they usually have good temperaments. Very smart though so easily bored, and pretty social, a neglected akita can be a bit unpredictable. Not an inherently dangerous dog though.
I see veronica lynch is out again... "How many deaths do they need before they admit they have problem on our streets?" More than .5 a year I reckon.
Did you know, on average, cows kill more people than dogs do
Any source for this? Anyway, this wasn't a death. [url= http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Dog-and-Cat-Bites.htm ]About 250,000 dog bites occur in the UK each year[/url]. I expect cow bites are less of a problem.
http://news.stv.tv/uk/118368-farmers-issue-warning-after-fatal-cow-attacks/
18 cow deaths in the last 8 years
Your own source isn't very compelling. [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7264620.stm ]NHS stats[/url] show 3800 dog bites requiring medical attention per annum, your 250000 doesn't seem at all credible based on that.
i watched a lady approach a bike trailer today with 3 huskys in it
As soon as she was 1m away one of the dogs jumped towards here and tried to bite.
There was a harness and all was ok so it backed down but the question was, why where 3 essentially wild dogs brought into a hall to be tied to a trailer and paraded on the back of a well used of road tourer.
There were huge numbers of people, loud music, epic bright and hot lights, cameras, etc and why wouldn't the dog feel defensive and want to lash out? there was no owner controlling them or making them feel at ease... dogs attack yep, but they are a pack animal, without a head of pack keeping them in check then they will use instinct.
This is a human failure.
🙄I've no idea how you control the situation but any dog that looks like a rottweiler / ___ bull terrier should be confiscated on sight and killed regardless of the owner
Sympathy for the victim and punishment for the owner. Am I correct in assuming that there is no form of screening or licencing for "dangerous" dog ownership in the UK?
'Weapon dogs' are totally unacceptable, and should be shot and the owners jailed. Ownership of a gun is considered unacceptable, and so should such dogs be.
What is your definition of a "weapon dog"? 😆
I don't have anything against dogs. It's dog owners I hate. I regularly have to kick dogs to stop them jumping on my kids when they are in public parks. Keep them on a lead and away from my kids and they wont get kicked. My kids have a right to not be jumped on and terrorised by dogs.
Let your kids come near the nice doggy woggy, or even letting your kids run unsupervised in a restaurant or shop will earn them a slap from me, an unprovoked attack from you on my dog will earn you a visit to hospital, big man.
I've nearly had dogshit in my mouth after riding through some left on a cycle path and it splashed up off my tyre all over the frame and up into my face
Never had a traiside pi55 then? Are you sure it wasn't human crap? There are people on here who take toilet roll on rides as they can't control their own movements!!!
Your irrational phobia should be directed at the owners and not the dogs!!! 🙄
Especially for Dd when he comes along. 😉
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I've no idea how you control the situation but any dog that looks like a rottweiler / ___ bull terrier should be confiscated on sight and killed regardless of the owner
I take it you are a copy editor for the Daily Mail? Pure idiocy. We have a rottie. He was a registered 'therapy dog' in the USA and passed all the tests as a PAT dog in this country. He also holds titles for obedience and agility. I don't think there are more than 1 or 2 dogs in our neighbourhood that are close to him in behaviour and temperament. It is the owner more than the breed.
People are getting too caught up in the whole 'dangerous dog' tag. Even the smallest dog has the tools necessary to rip somebodies face off! If a dog has not been properly trained and doesn't know it's place then accidents can and do happen (albeit quite rarely.)
My dog (Neopolitan mastiff x American Bulldog) would fit nicely into that catagory, yet despite huge amounts of provocation she has never harmed another dog, even after being bitten twice. Despite what some would call a menacing appearence she is very popular with the little old ladies we regularly encounter on our walks. She never barks, never chases joggers or cyclists and is generally a bit of a wuss. Everyone we encounter comments on her 'lovely nature', is she a dangerous killing machine?
As much as I do trust my dog I wont be leaving her alone with my baby, that would just be stupid!
As pro dog as I am I do agree that there should be restrictions on who owns 'any' dog. A certain level of obedience training should be mandatory for 'all' dogs. In my experience the owners of larger more powerful dogs are sensible enough to train their dogs, whereas the owners of little fluffy dogs don't.
I've witnessed a Golden Labrador suddenly turn and jump on the back of a Staff (a very special one- silvery/blue in colour) and bite down on the back of its neck.
After witnessing that I wouldn't believe anyone when they say 'family pet' or 'ideal with children'.
All dogs can turn on children especially if they have their fur pulled/poked and hit by someone small in stature.
Bingo is allowed near our son when I'm there but NEVER at any other time.
I don't have anything against dogs. It's dog owners I hate. I regularly have to kick dogs to stop them jumping on my kids when they are in public parks. Keep them on a lead and away from my kids and they wont get kicked. My kids have a right to not be jumped on and terrorised by dogs.
You know, you either live in a strange part of the world, or, contrary to your statement, you have a very deep-seated problem with dogs.
In the whole of my life I've [i]never[/i] had to kick a dog. Not once. Sure, I've had dogs coming up to my kids in the park, and I'm always watchful, but never has there been a problem. If anything, it's my kids who've got over-excited because of the cute doggy, and have chased after it.
For your own benefit, you should note that most dog owners (even those who don't have dangerous killing-machine child-eating ones) are as protective of their dogs as the dogs are of them. Keep on kicking dogs and eventually you'll end up with a bite from a pissed-off dog and/or a kicking from an irate owner.
Jesus christ. It's time for someone to grow some balls and make a decision on the ownership of such animalsYou're right.
Time to put the owners to sleep.
He's right, it's the wrong breed(s) of dogs fashionable with untrained and irresponsible humans.
I've witnessed a Golden Labrador suddenly turn and jump on the back of a Staff (a very special one- silvery/blue in colour) and bite down on the back of its neck.After witnessing that I wouldn't believe anyone when they say 'family pet' or 'ideal with children'.
All dogs can turn on children especially if they have their fur pulled/poked and hit by someone small in stature.
Bingo is allowed near our son when I'm there but NEVER at any other time.
What complete and utter rubbish.
And to your last point if you don't trust your dog when your not there then why trust it when you are?
is it me or are most of the dogs on the dangerous dogs act primarily fighting dogs and so should in theory be less of a risk to humans than many gaurding breeds like Malinios or working bred German Shepards, Dobe's etc which would be more likely to attack people. Its just the dogs on the banned list are generally owned by morons. If I woanted a weapon dog and get a MAlinios not a pit bull.
These dogs are only bread for fighting they would never have evolved to the dog they are were it not for the breading so by nature they have the ability to do more harm to people and other dogs than a smaller or weaker dogs. It's true to say that all animals have the ability to harm people when scared, aggravated or other but it's the fact that the dogs in question are so powerful and have jaws designed (by human breading intervention)that are immensely powerful and in some cases lock down. If a person is unlucky enough to be attacked by one of these dogs the outcome is far more likely to be drastic than if said smaller or weaker dog turns on a person. So why do we allow civilians to own the animals when they are meant for military or security service ownership?
bassspine, the breed is irrelevent, any untrained dog has the potential to be dangerous or a loyal pet. The responsibility lies with the owner!
Donks, I've never seen [i]any[/i] dangerous bread. Apart from that awful garlic stuff they serve at PizzaHut - that sh1t'll kill you
donks, by that rational we need to ban powerful 4x4 vehicles, in the wrong hands they can do so much more damage than smart cars!
Some of these dogs, not all were bred for fighting and some of these same dogs are known for their gentleness with children. Hold back your prejudice and do a little more research.
People have different reasons for wanting powerful dogs, had it been up to me we would have a choccie lab, but my wife loves mastiff's. Now that we have Blue I wouldn't swap her for any dog.
easy, any dog without a muzzle gets shot.
the owner gets a fine.
i shall trace my irrationality back to me being attacked by a dog when i was about 6 (Bull mastiff).
can't stand the things (dogs), they're dangerous and anti-social.
golden labrador? that would be yellow.
only dog to have actually attacked me was a lab, black as it happens.
aa is right its the guarding breeds that are far more dangerous than the fighting breeds, however neither should be allowed to be kept for pets. Although i would happily add any terrier to that list as well.
I still wouldn't leave any dog with a small child. Full stop.
easy, any dog without a muzzle gets shot
STW - the home of rational and measured debate.
As a dog owner of many years I can only say from my experience that the problem lies firmly with the owners of these so called status dogs. Properly cared for and trained even a 'dangerous' dog breed will be even tempered and well behaved.
Yes, the dog licence should probably be reintroduced along with compulsory chipping but it won't deal with the sort of lawless scrotes who are attracted to dangerous dog breeds. What is needed is firmer policing of the dangerous dog act but in a world where the police are underfunded and the streets are crawling with powerless PCSOs that probably ain't going to happen anytime soon.
If you have children, just teach them to be wary of any dogs they don't know and to ask the owners if they can stroke them. Common sense people, thats all that is really needed.
and a muzzle.
It is the owner more than the breed.
This. Staffys, for example, make excellent family pets if they're trained properly.
You've obviously never tried to muzzle a dog that doesn't want it. I think common sense is a far more powerful tool than a muzzle but them this country does seem to be short of it these days.
Besides, why should all dogs be targetted because of a few morons with dangerous dogs? It is a sad state to be in when a few law breakers lead to restrictive laws being put in place for the law abiding majority and peaceful dogs are made to suffer.
In a loose parallel for example; the government are now proposing higher alcohol prices to stop binge drinking. It won't work if it is put into law and will just penalise the rest of us who enjoy a drink and can do so responsibly. As with a lot of recently proposed laws and controls it would only deal with the symptoms and not the root causes, just as imposing a law to muzzle all dogs would.
****t 😕Let your kids come near the nice doggy woggy, or even letting your kids run unsupervised in a restaurant or shop will earn them a slap from me, an unprovoked attack from you on my dog will earn you a visit to hospital, big man.
I've had to have a tetanus jab a few years ago for a bite when a doberman bounded out of the grounds of a building as I was riding past and bit my leg. I shudder to think what would have happened if I was riding with my 3 year old boy 😥
My boy is petrified of dogs because of the number of time that we have encountered out of control "pets" while out and about.
This. Staffys, for example, make excellent family pets if they're trained properly
Even though I'm a dog owner I do marvel at how people believe that they can vouch for and know an animal 100%.
Animals are animals.
Big Dave - MemberYou've obviously never tried to muzzle a dog that doesn't want it.
well that's easy - if it's not wearing a muzzle, it gets shot.
dogs are dangerous, they do attack people, all i'm suggesting is a muzzle.
muzzles are fair, cheap and easy to police.
i was 6, it was a very big dog, these are very deep scars.
I find it difficult to predict what apparently rational people will do under any given circumstance.
To suggest that you 'know' how a dog will behave is akin to 'knowing' that God exists - it's probably comforting for you but non-believers tend to be a bit more sceptical.
don simon - Member
Let your kids come near the nice doggy woggy, or even letting your kids run unsupervised in a restaurant or shop will earn them a slap from me, an unprovoked attack from you on my dog will earn you a visit to hospital, big man.
So you publically admit to thinking it justifiable to assault a small defenceless child for no reason but think it un just for a Father to protect his children from an uncontrolled dog. (Yes, an unleashed dog who appoaches small children or any person is not under control)
I think your mixing up who the "Big Man" is, although my assumption about who a complete cock is is probably correct
To suggest that you 'know' how a dog will behave is akin to 'knowing' that God exists
What complete rubbish. I have lived mith my dog for 6 years, we have shared our lives together and you are trying to tell me that any prediction of his behaviour is akin to an act of faith? Have you ever had a dog?
I have never met a dog I didn't like, owners on the otherhand are a problem.
Besides, why should all dogs be targetted because of a few morons with dangerous dogs? It is a sad state to be in when a few law breakers lead to restrictive laws being put in place for the law abiding majority and peaceful dogs are made to suffer.
Amen to that.
dogs are dangerous, they do attack people, all i'm suggesting is a muzzle.
People also attack people. Perhaps the police should hand out muzzles to chavs in town centres on Friday and Saturday nights by your reasoning?
muzzles are fair, cheap and easy to police.
No, my point is muzzles aren't fair and can inflict a certain amount of suffering on well behaved dogs which would lead to behaviour problems. It also wouldn't be easy to police as there are millions of dog owners in this country and the cost of policing such a policy effectively would run into millions. Besides, any council worked in a cheap uniform trying to force me to put a muzzle on my dog will end up with it shoved somewhere it wasn't intended to go.
i was 6, it was a very big dog, these are very deep scars.
Perhaps you should man up. You aren't six anymore. Unless you are some sort of dwarf I suspect you'll be bigger than any 'big' dogs you are likely to come across.
Yes, an unleashed dog who appoaches small children or any person is not under control
Again, sounds like it is coming from people who do not know dogs. There are some dogs that fall into this category, but it is not a rule by any stretch of the imagination. Dogs and kids have cohabited for generations and generations.
Any doubters are invited to come for a walk with me and my dog, he would be controlled, friendly, assertive if neccesary but not vicious and always looking to me for approval in whatever he did. Saying dogs are all unpredictable is tantamount to racism.
...and what's going to be done about the huge piles of dog shite everywhere. It's ****ing sickening!
Perhaps you should man up
almost certainly - but i've never bitten a dog.
but i've never bitten a dog
You probably shouldn't. The forum would be full of dog owners calling for you to be muzzled...
Do people on here never sleep?
[quote> http://news.stv.tv/uk/118368-farmers-issue-warning-after-fatal-cow-attacks/
18 cow deaths in the last 8 years
Interesting link - so 18 people have been killed by by cows in 8 years, and the main cause according to the article is provocation by dogs. In this particular case I'd say the problems are firstly the owners, then the dogs, and only finally the cows which are protecting their offspring.
c.f. [url= http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/5388/fatal-dog-attacks-why-lessons-are-not-being-learned/ ]5 children killed in the last 5 years by dogs[/url] according to a pro-dog web site that seems to have some very sensible views on dog control.
[i]I have lived mith my dog for 6 years, we have shared our lives together and you are trying to tell me that any prediction of his behaviour is akin to an act of faith? Have you ever had a dog?[/i]
Had several dogs in the family when I was a kid. The nicest one got it's leg trapped in a chain link fence when we were kids and then bit my Mum when she tried to get it out. It was never aggresive before that or after but at that moment it behaved like an animal in pain and lashed out at what it perceived as a threat.
None of us know how we or our pets will act [i]in extremis[/i] to suggest you do is deluded.
My boy is petrified of dogs because of the number of time that we have encountered out of control "pets" while out and about.
Not surprised as it it seems his dad is too. Without wishing to get in a slanging match and I agree dogs shouldnt run up to kids but its kind of a fact of life in most parks and the vast majority of dogs will be perfectly fine when they run up to you or your kid. I think spending sometime with some well behaved dogs would do your kid the world of good and yourself and may give you the ability to read dogs.
As for banned breeds the pit bull is a fine example of how it hasnt worked, where I live their are loads of pitbull x staffies. Once the breed was banned the breeders went underground. A pit bull is a fighting breed any dog showing signs of aggression towards people got a swift lead injection to the head, same with staffies which were fighting bred just longer ago. Staffies are very good with kids and people but can be a nightmare with other dogs. Once pit bulls were banned a lot of poor dogs were bred by people not knowing what they were doing so dogs that were fear aggressive to people were bred and in the UK they are common and are now status dogs for idiots. I was watching some shit dog police stop type programme and the police went into a house tooled up to grab a pitbull, once the dog got over its fear of the door being knocked down by armed police all they had to do was pick up its lead and it toddled off with them fine. A working bred guarding breed wouldn't.
roach, it is sickening to responsible dog owners too!
Torminalis - MemberYes, an unleashed dog who appoaches small children or any person is not under control
Again, sounds like it is coming from people who do not know dogs. There are some dogs that fall into this category, but it is not a rule by any stretch of the imagination. Dogs and kids have cohabited for generations and generations.
Actually I have been a dog owner for many years but I'm also Father of two small children so can see it from both sides. Children can be easily scared by a big bounding dog. If a dog comes up and gets close enough to sniff a face of a child its too close. You may think your in control but if its already in my childs personal space and scaring them I don't care if you think your in control or not. A controlled dog should not approach people, a dog running up to people and then being called back is not contolled. Unless you the owner think that you should control every situaion and decide when my child has had enough of being scared / terrorised.
I'm not saying that all dogs are bad, far from it; And yes it mostly the owners to blame. But in that split second when an unknown dog approaches my child I am not going to gamble on the safety of my family on the basis that you and he MAY be friendly.
Not surprised as it it seems his dad is too. Without wishing to get in a slanging match and I agree dogs shouldnt run up to kids but its kind of a fact of life in most parks and the vast majority of dogs will be perfectly fine when they run up to you or your kid. I think spending sometime with some well behaved dogs would do your kid the world of good and yourself and may give you the ability to read dogs.
Certainly not petrified of dogs myself, but I do find them and their mess a great nuisance while out and about cycling and running.
anagallis_arvensis - MemberMy boy is petrified of dogs because of the number of time that we have encountered out of control "pets" while out and about.
Not surprised as it it seems his dad is too. Without wishing to get in a slanging match and I agree dogs shouldnt run up to kids but its kind of a fact of life in most parks and the [b]vast majority of dogs[/b] will be perfectly fine when they run up to you or your kid.
Again, would you like me to gamble on whether the dog jumping up at my child is in the majority or not?
By the way. I am a dog lover and extremly comfortable with them, but i also respect what they can do
Saying dogs are all unpredictable is tantamount to racism
Genius.
Dogs are animals [i][b][u]not[/u][/i][/b] little people. When pushed they will not show restraint but will act on instinct.
Dogs under proper control I have not got a problem with. I like dogs. However some don't and have a right not to be slobbered all over by a dog that the owner clearly has [b]not[/b] got under control and excuses every action with the phrase "Oh, don't mind him, he's only playing."
None of us know how we or our pets will act in extremis to suggest you do is deluded.
I doubt most of the folk on here (myself included) know how they would behave in extreme circumstances but that is no reason to muzzle or ban them. My dog bit me once, when I was trying to towel dry him against his will as a puppy. He wasn't trying to hurt me, he was just confused and trying to make a point. I got a little nip, he was in the serious dog house for a few days and we have never had a repeat incident.
I may be stupid for trusting my dog, but if I didn't, the quality of life that we would both have would suffer greatly and he would not be the great companion that he is today. If man can't build trusting relationships with his 'best friend' then we have reached the end of an era of co-evolution and dependency which I think will be a loss to man on the whole.
I tend to try and take my daughters viewpoint;
[i]If a dog ran up to me and its head, when standing on all four legs, was level with or above mine would I feel nervous?[/i]
It was never aggresive before that or after but at that moment it behaved like an animal in pain and lashed out at what it perceived as a threat.None of us know how we or our pets will act in extremis to suggest you do is deluded
Our Bingo was a changed dog from the day after his run in with a Staff. He became unpredictable. A different dog.
Luckily for the Staff and its owner I've never seen them in that park since otherwise the owner would be grieving the thing (I'd have let it swim in the canal 1/2mile away).
Again, would you like me to gamble on whether the dog jumping up at my child is in the majority or not?
no not at all, just have a reasonable ability to assess the situation and take firm control at the right times and do the right thing. Running in kicking dogs seems like a good way of causing someone to get bitten. Giving your child the tools to deal with dogs will be a benefit throughout its life. I know of a very small kid who can deal with the vast majority of stupid family pets very well by a simple command and hand out. Not all kids will be like her but a few simple things can make a difference. It also gives you the ability to take the matter up with the owner who is at fault. Having witnessed adults run in terror from my dog when she was 14 weeks old I think its very sad how little knowledge some people have and thing they would lead much less worried lives if they did a few simple things.
Dogs are animals not little people. When pushed they will not show restraint but will act on instinct.
Agreed, and the instinct of a dog is usually to protect people, not to hurt them. I think that the vast majority of dogs would only actively attack a person if they felt they were in serious danger (and believe me, they will spot the dagner, correctly, long before most people). A lot of others can appear aggresive to people who do not understand dogs. I often have to calm my missus down when the dog is playing with other dogs because to some it might look like he is being aggresive. It is all just a question of knowing dogs and your dog in particular.
Dogs under proper control I have not got a problem with. I like dogs. However some don't and have a right not to be slobbered all over by a dog that the owner clearly has not got under control and excuses every action with the phrase "Oh, don't mind him, he's only playing."
I tell off more dogs and owners than most, so I completely agree.
You aren't six anymore. Unless you are some sort of dwarf I suspect you'll be bigger than any 'big' dogs you are likely to come across.
I weigh about 70kgs and stand about 6' tall that makes me significantly bigger than a 40kg male guarding breed.
However im not dumb enough to think that it couldnt outrun, out jump and out fight me ultimately kill me.
and as for a small child.... continued ownership of these [url= http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&gbv=1&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=4+x+4&aq=f&aqi=g9g-m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= ]heavy killing polluting machines[/url] is just crazy. someone needs to do something.
c.f. 5 children killed in the last 5 years by dogs according to a pro-dog web site that seems to have some very sensible views on dog control.
Good article, it has convinced me even more about banning and destroying the dangerous breeds. People are never going to be responsible enough to look after them. Why does anyone need to own a rottweiler?
Good article, it has convinced me even more about banning and destroying the dangerous breeds.
you sure you read it? I think the message was that ALL breeds are dangerous.
Why does anyone need to own a rottweiler?
cos if i batter the **** thats nicking my bike, i get sent down
if i set my rotty on em, i get a fine
simple economics. so long as i have one dog/death incident during the life of the dog its a better return than house insurance.
Why does anyone need to own a rottweiler?
Probably for far better reasons than you need to own that bike / those bikes you have. Ours is a rescue - he is alive now (and trained, and loved, and adored by all the children who meet him, and praised for being well behaved) because my wife took him on. If you base everything on need, you're a liar.
Of course I don't base everything on need, but I don't have a rottweiler for the same reasons that I don't have a tiger or a lion. I don't need/want them and they are potentially dangerous to me and other people
you sure you read it? I think the message was that ALL breeds are dangerous.
Sure, did you miss the bit about where he mentioned the breeds that killed children. rottweiler /___bull
no not at all, just have a reasonable ability to assess the situation and take firm control at the right times and do the right thing.
Pretty much what I do. If a dog approaches I ensure i'm in between them and my child and if they push the matter i'll put my leg in between and push them away. I wouldn't kick a dog unless they acted aggresivly at which point I don't care what the owners think.
I know of a very small kid who can deal with the vast majority of stupid family pets very well by a simple command and hand out.
Notice you like the word majority... what happens when she meets a dog that won't take commands? Probably the same dog with a bad owner who let them run up in the 1st place.
I agree with you that some children and people could deal with dogs better when approached by a dog off the lead but should it really be their responsibility? If its your dog you conrol it, don't expect me or a 6 year old child to know how to deal with your dog.
i was charged at by a badger last night it didnt appear to know even basic commands, had little respect for my authoritah and probably carrys aids.
who is responsible for this outrage?
smash it over the head with a shovel
Sure, did you miss the bit about where he mentioned the breeds that killed children. rottweiler /___bull
and Jack Russel and the worst dog he ever met was a collie
Pretty much what I do. If a dog approaches I ensure i'm in between them and my child and if they push the matter i'll put my leg in between and push them away.
no point pushing a dog away, it'll be much more agile than you, a damn good shout of down will stop most dogs in their tracks.
Notice you like the word majority... what happens when she meets a dog that won't take commands?
you see its not about the dog being trained to lie down on command its about body language, posture, the way you act that'll make dogs think twice. I dont want to go on as I think you are right to be pissed off with these dogs owners but how many of these problems dogs in your park have done any physical harm to your daughter? Even in the shit hole where I live the dogs off the lead in our local park are all friendly enough.
My daughter got bitten by a friends dog in Spain last year, it has taken her a long time not to freak out whenever a dog came near her. I have freinds with dogs who themselves have little ones so "safe" however I would NEVER leave my young children unattended with a dog. My grandmother had a lovely retreiver, I loved her but once she bit me as I fell on her when we were playing, natural reaction on her part and it didn't stop my relationshjip with her.
http://www.k9obedience.co.uk/dogbreed/japaneseakita.html
to the idiot who say's Akita's have a decent temperamant.
Torminalis I know your dog and I would trust him with my kids. (but only if I was there)
Some dogs are bad, some owners are bad, that is life. Some dogs are good but if you fall on them or catch them by suprise they may still bite as a reaction
and Jack Russel
I've been bitten by one of them before too, unprovoked riding down a country lane, about 12. it ran out of a farm and clamped onto my foot
Destroy them all IMO
Jack Russel is the only dog thats ever bitten me, when I was about 4 two bloody horrible things lived next door, spent 95%of their lives chained up.
roach - MemberLet your kids come near the nice doggy woggy, or even letting your kids run unsupervised in a restaurant or shop will earn them a slap from me, an unprovoked attack from you on my dog will earn you a visit to hospital, big man.
****t
I've had to have a tetanus jab a few years ago for a bite when a doberman bounded out of the grounds of a building as I was riding past and bit my leg. I shudder to think what would have happened if I was riding with my 3 year old boy
My boy is petrified of dogs because of the number of time that we have encountered out of control "pets" while out and about.
****t... now that is adult, why the insult? 🙄
gravitysucks - Memberdon simon - Member
Let your kids come near the nice doggy woggy, or even letting your kids run unsupervised in a restaurant or shop will earn them a slap from me, an unprovoked attack from you on my dog will earn you a visit to hospital, big man.So you publically admit to thinking it justifiable to assault a small defenceless child for no reason but think it un just for a Father to protect his children from an uncontrolled dog. (Yes, an unleashed dog who appoaches small children or any person is not under control)
I think your mixing up who the "Big Man" is, although my assumption about who a complete cock is is probably correct
Aaw! Bless, another one who can't control the name calling, thanks for misinterpreting what I said. I think it is justifiable to control a child in place of a parent when said parent can't control their child, I was using an example and language that surrounded by zulus would understand.
Thanks for changing my words to fit your retort, unjerk your knees, learn how to think and lay off the name calling if you don't mind.
Dom Simon. As I read it you threaten to physically attack people's children if they run around in a public place yet hospitalise anyone who may attack your dog in the same situation, then get upset when people call you names?? If I have misunderstood your post please go ahead and explain as based on your initial post I tend to agree with the others!
My sister went to an animal rescue to get a new dog, and stunned us all by coming home with a rottweiller (improbably named Annabelle). To our amazement, she has turned out to be the most placid, laidback dog I've ever met. Loving, not terribly bright.
That said, she is never left alone with children. No point in being stupid. And is always on a lead outdoors.
Don't think she deserves shooting because some macho hard-nuts turn their dogs bad.
nacho - MemberDom Simon. As I read it you threaten to physically attack people's children if they run around in a public place yet hospitalise anyone who may attack your dog in the same situation, then get upset when people call you names?? If I have misunderstood your post please go ahead and explain as based on your initial post I tend to agree with the others!
Argue against what I have said, but don't call names, it's simple. At which point did I say I would physically attack people's children, a slap is not a physical attack. I know you have laws which say teachers can not hit children, parents can not hit children and you wonder why there are social problems. 🙄
Zulu hater said that he would happily kick a dog, I said that I would happily step in and do the liberal parents' job for them. If you want to twist my words into some sort of sensationalist child murdering attack, do it, I really don't care. If you consider name calling and adult way to discuss, then your opinion ain't worth 5hit either. I have had enough of unruley children running around beer gardens, knocking over glasses and drinks, screaming in restaurants (noise pollution), droping ice cream on park benches and generally smelling and the parents not controlling them.
FYI my dog is always kept on her lead when we are in public spaces, she is considered a dangerous dog yet stupid parents allow their children to come and [i]play[/i] with her inspite of my warnings. If my dog is under control and your out of control child pokes her in the eye and my dog bites,tough f****** 5hit!!
How bizarre 😮Argue against what I have said, but don't call names, it's simple. At which point did I say I would physically attack people's children, a slap is not a physical attack. I know you have laws which say teachers can not hit children, parents can not hit children and you wonder why there are social problems.Zulu hater said that he would happily kick a dog, I said that I would happily step in and do the liberal parents' job for them. If you want to twist my words into some sort of sensationalist child murdering attack, do it, I really don't care. If you consider name calling and adult way to discuss, then your opinion ain't worth 5hit either. I have had enough of unruley children running around beer gardens, knocking over glasses and drinks, screaming in restaurants (noise pollution), droping ice cream on park benches and generally smelling and the parents not controlling them.
FYI my dog is always kept on her lead when we are in public spaces, she is considered a dangerous dog yet stupid parents allow their children to come and play with her inspite of my warnings. If my dog is under control and your out of control child pokes her in the eye and my dog bites,tough f****** 5hit!!