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Agree with footlaps.
He seems to be attempting to use "science" to justify sexism, in much the same way people tried to use science to justify racism or even genocide... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
Yes that pesky 'science' with its evidence and facts. 😉
The level of hate on here and from other places is more than a bit odd and sumwhat disturbing.
If you want a proper demonstration of hate I would suggest you look at some of those holding him on a pedestal.
But there have been plenty of studies done
Sexual selection in animals is a notoriously difficult discipline to begin with. Add in thousands of years of culture on top and you've significantly reduced your chances of coming to simplistic "facts" like the reason women wear makeup.
Anyone who tells you simple "truths" is probably willfully misleading you, or making it up to suit an agenda
The level of hate on here and from other places is more than a bit odd and sumwhat disturbing.
If you want a proper demonstration of hate I would suggest you look at some of those holding him on a pedestal.
This +1
The level of hate on here and from other places is more than a bit odd and sumwhat disturbing.
If you want a proper demonstration of hate I would suggest you look at some of those holding him on a pedestal.
I'd obviously agree, but why sink to their level, try and be better. Which I'd guess is what Peterson would say. I'd imagine he's more embarrassed and annoyed about the wackjobs than anyone else.
Basic rule: Follow the money.
I’d imagine he’s more embarrassed and annoyed about the wackjobs than anyone else.
He still takes the money without question
If he was worries about the nutjobs following him he would stop pandering to them
But he revels in the adulation and the controversy plus of course the money.
I’d imagine he’s more embarrassed and annoyed about the wackjobs than anyone else.
Then you'd think he'd spend more of his time voicing that opinion, rather than just ignoring the issue. Especially given that he'd not usually shy about telling people what he thinks...
When he does occasionally deny that he’s deliberately nodding to the incel lot or being misogynistic, he has that air about him like Putin saying he absolutely, definitely didn’t send anyone to Salisbury to bump anyone off
All that’s missing is a Ronaldo style wink to the camera.
He’s a proper smug ****! And he knows exactly what he’s doing.
Then you’d think he’d spend more of his time voicing that opinion, rather than just ignoring the issue.
I'd agree, I was probably being naive about his concern over the abuse directed at his detractors. But it's not common for any person or orginization to do much more than put out a blanket statement abhoring such abuse. Political parties are prime examples.
I’d obviously agree, but why sink to their level, try and be better.
Apart from it really isnt the same level is it? It is a tad false equivalence.
Which I’d guess is what Peterson would say
Why imagine? If he did really think that and wasnt fussed about the rather large amounts of cash rolling in he could stop being so vague and come out repeatedly and unambiguously that he is opposed to the Incel and other nutters.
Oh look a massively white privileged male, discussing with other white privileged males about how to keep the masses from gaining a 10th of what white privilege has got them.
It's great that we can generalize about white men and make assumptions about them based on their race. Also we can hold the entire white male population accountable for the actions of a minority.
Just like we can with black people. Hmmn.
It’s great that we can generalize about white men and make assumptions about them based on their race.
Where would that be?
he could stop being so vague and come out repeatedly and unambiguously that he is opposed to the Incel and other nutters.
When does anyone ever do that though. The abuse surrounding him flows both ways, who's speaking out against the abuse coming from the left ? Ultimately were all responsible for our own actions. I doubt anything he could say would make much difference, and it wouldn't fit in with his take responsibility, stand up for yourself message.
P.s I'm no Peterson fan, I only heard about him on here and was curious as to why some people had got their nickers in a twist.
Overall I find his message quite positive but with some cringeworthy moments. I can see how he's upset some on the left. But so what, he's not a politician or anyone who has control over anyone's life but his own. You can follow his veiws with interest or ignore, perhaps the latters best if he offends.
When does anyone ever do that though
Well I would if I had those Incel fruitcakes quoting me.
The abuse surrounding him flows both ways, who’s speaking out against the abuse coming from the left ?
Sorry which "left" is happily dredging through his word salad to find similarly nice messages as the rabid right?
and it wouldn’t fit in with his take responsibility, stand up for yourself message.
Aside from listen to him get asked about pretty much anything controversial. He dodges and dives like nobodies business. He is an amazing case of projection
You can follow his veiws with interest or ignore, perhaps the latters best if he offends.
The only interesting thing about it is how he keeps being treated like a great sage by certain communities. Everytime I check to see if he has improved and is putting forward a coherent argument I am disappointed. I am not sure whether it is simply he cant or whether it is that he does have a clear message but chooses to mask it as a method of deflecting criticism.
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The abuse surrounding him flows both ways, who’s speaking out against the abuse coming from the left ?
On the right, he inspires misogyny and hate crimes, and makes excuses for their terrorism. From the left, he inspires harsh language, and blames them for the actions of the right. Another false equivalence.
The only interesting thing about it is how he keeps being treated like a great sage by certain communities.
He's generally treated as a sage by some pretty unpleasent nutters with some very dubious attitudes, because they quote him to justify their morally reprihensable behavior
I am not sure whether it is simply he cant or whether it is that he does have a clear message but chooses to mask it as a method of deflecting criticism......
Incidentally, I edited my last post because having written it, I realised it was unclear and was likely to be misinterpreted in good faith. Obviously I should have learned from Peterson and waited til someone did so, then called them stupid.
Ultimately it comes down to this - is this really the best they can do?
Then they have lost.
Accommodating their losses will take tact.
It is time to break bread.
Well that makes sense......
Still waiting for a fan (or anyone) to answer even one of my 4 questions about JPs 'cure' for the Toronto killer. I went through it wth geetee on the last thread and ended up sorely frustrated and then it all got utterly derailed by threadjam.
I want some resolution, in 4k. 1040 will do.
Ultimately it comes down to this – is this really the best they can do?
Then they have lost.
Accommodating their losses will take tact.
It is time to break bread.
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I very much doubt you will. Its tlike brexit. When asked to explain with logic all you get is slogans and ranting
I actually feel somewhat sorry for Geetee. I think he has serious issues and have been told by a couple of folk to lay off him because of this.
My 4 questions were to the room. I have no beef with the OP.
Back on topic - what the hell is this 'debating' strategy? Pseudo-science? Quackery? Or does he actually have a metaphysical and deep point? I think not but am open to convincing evidence if anyone wants to step up.
I actually feel somewhat sorry for Geetee. I think he has serious issues and have been told by a couple of folk to lay off him because of this.
Don't bother on my account buddy - I have no more issues than the next person and am very happy with who I am and what I've achieved in life. I have a wonderful family, two amazing boys, there is nothing I would change about my life. I hold no grievance against you either - the fact that I really like what Jordan Peterson has to say just makes me, well, normal I guess.
the fact that I really like what Jordan Peterson has to say just makes me, well, normal I guess.
Or the minority, if that makes you feel normal then good for you. Just don't expect everyone else to be taken in by him.
So I guess you're all going to Glasgow to see him speak then?
the fact that I really like what Jordan Peterson has to say just makes me, well, normal I guess.
No matter how i phrase this it's gonna sound inflamatory but it's genuinely not to be taken that way.
Jorden Peterson is a charlatan, a fraud, a shyster, an opportunist, a quack..etc...etc...
He's nothing more than the modern day social media equivalent of a snake oil salesman at a local country fair who will take your 5 shillings in exchange for a wondrous cure-all elixir.
Don't be taken in by him, examine the discussions by those who decry his meaningless techno waffle before you declare him to be the new messiah.
Self reported normal, happy guy (who others may have suggested has issues) repeatly promotes rape'y mysoginist charlatan. I'm sure none of us has come across any similar scenario's ... ever.
Interesting that you have two boys geetee, I can't help but wonder if your opinion on Jordan Peterson would be different if you had a daughter?
the fact that I really like what Jordan Peterson has to say just makes me, well, normal I guess.
Curious that you assume that really liking what he says makes someone normal.
Leaving that aside. Can you give one nice simple example of one of the things he says that you like and why?
Bonus points if you can make that video Malvern Rider linked to sound sensible.
The fact that his constant evangelising of the rapey shyster he thinks is ‘normal’ probably tells you everything you need to know
I am not sure what you’re trying to insinuate there Binners but you’re coming awfully close to liable by suggesting I’m a rapist or think rape is acceptable. The same for Peterson.
You know nothing about me at all and yet you making those vile comments about my relationships says all I need to know about you. You’re a reprehensible human being Binners.
Whatever....
I’m not accusing you of anything other than gullibility.
I would, however, question your need to constantly eulogise on here about a man who clearly holds little appeal to anyone but yourself. How many threads is this now? And you get the same response every time. Why do you bother? There must be better, preferably less public, ways of dealing with your issues
Here's a thought; why don't one of the Peterson detractors simply show geetee some nice clear unambiguous evidence of their claims so we can *put this one to bed once and for all?
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*With its permission, of course.
Here’s a thought; why don’t one of the Peterson detractors simply show geetee some nice clear unambiguous evidence of their claims
Well plenty of vids posted of his pseudo science, claptrap, conclusion before evidence based thinking. I don't think posting them again will change geetee's mind.
I don’t think posting them again will change geetee’s mind.
I am by definition an open minded individual (I score 97th percentile on ‘openness to experience’) but I have no idea what it is you want me to change my mind about?
I never simply accept anything anyone says just because they say it. There are a few things that Peterson has said I don’t agree with but the vast majority of it I do.
So what is it you want me to change m mind about?
he's a right wing evangelical christian bellend who believes children are born with Original Sin and have a huge capacity for Evil so you should beat the sin out of them. Don't need know anymore.
I would, however, question your need to constantly eulogise on here about a man who clearly holds little appeal to anyone but yourself. How many threads is this now? And you get the same response every time. Why do you bother?
The only reason can be trolling. The responses are as expected yet the subject keeps being raised with the same responses. Any new threads with Jordan Peterson in the title should be deleted or merged with previous.
So what is it you want me to change m mind about?
In all his discussion about monogamy and violence he seems to forget completely about domestic violence. That is a huge gap.
In plenty of arguments shown here he is fitting his research around his conclusions.
I score 97th percentile on ‘openness to experience'
*signs up geetee to get raped and beaten*
In plenty of arguments shown here he is fitting his research around his conclusions.
Has he got an STW account? He'd fit right in.
Well plenty of vids posted of his pseudo science, claptrap, conclusion before evidence based thinking.
Are there?
Take the last vid posted. Eleven and a half minutes to point out that he said one thing in one lecture and said a slightly different thing in another lecture. Oh, and that we don't need to cite evidence any more.
Hardly compelling...
he about as compelling as Uri Geller. come to think of it I've never seen them together.
I think Jordan Peterson is pretty interesting and I think the fact that 8,000 go to his debates is a positive thing. Frankly, those people who are continuously having a pop at Geetee are saying much more about what is lacking in their lives than his.
Frankly, those people who are continuously having a pop at Geetee are saying much more about what is lacking in their lives than his.
Which is? Just looking for answers in the holes in the JP stuff, loads of questions asked in this thread all mostly ignored or vague wolly handwaving answers only.
Anybody who finds Jordan Peterson “interesting” is sending out pretty clear signals about what is lacking in his (I mean, it is mostly “his” isn’t it?) life.
Always seeking wisdom....
Frankly, those people who are continuously having a pop at Geetee are saying much more about what is lacking in their lives than his.
Credulity, confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
I post videos of JP because I believe he has something important to contribute to our understanding of how things really are (he provides an important counter point to a lot of prevailing and dangerous ideas and orthodox dogma) and believe that exploring ideas through free and open speech is important.
The rabid vitriol these posts generate is mildly amusing but only in their contrast to the rank hypocrisy and ignorance of the posters.
So it’s because, we is all, like, a bit fick that we, like, don’t get his (and yours, obvs) cleverness, n shit?
I am both impressed and confused by big words....
The rabid vitriol these posts generate is mildly amusing but only in their contrast to the rank hypocrisy and ignorance of the posters.
Ah yes of course. Its only the enlightened who can understand him.
Couldnt you act as man in the middle and give one nice simple example of one of the things he says that you like and why?
(he provides an important counter point to a lot of prevailing and dangerous ideas and orthodox dogma)
I know this is a can of worms but which dangerous and prevailing ideas?
Or is logical reason and accepted thinking in a modern world a counterpoint to his dangerous ideas?
he provides an important counter point to a lot of prevailing and dangerous ideas and orthodox dogma
You've piqued my interest - what are the current prevailing & dangerous ideas and orthodox dogma?
White males are societies real victims in all of this Mike. Especially the ones who, inexplicably (in their own heads) aren’t having to beat them off with a shitty stick
Where’s the humanity, I ask you?
life is just, like, SOOOOOOOOOO not fair!
he provides an important counter point to a lot of prevailing and dangerous ideas and orthodox dogma
Its not brave or important to suggest that women wear makeup at work to attract a mate.
Its not brave or important to suggest that women wear makeup at work to attract a mate.
Nope.
They might want to attract other women instead.
he provides an important counter point to a lot of prevailing and dangerous ideas and orthodox dogma
yeah what the world really needs is another snake oil salesman
Seems to me that he provides a counter to stuff that backward-gazing, middle class white blokes dont like
I wish it was 1950 again. Where everyone knew their place....
Lay off the OP.
He was slapped by a girl.
He has SUFFERED.
So in six pages has anyone countered anything in the OP's video?
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Take the last vid posted. Eleven and a half minutes to point out that he said one thing in one lecture and said a slightly different thing in another lecture. Oh, and that we don’t need to cite evidence any more.
Really? Compare these two statements:
1. I believe that. No, I *really* believe that.
2. I didn't say that I believed that.
Firstly, would you please explain how you find these statements to be only 'slightly different'?
Let's use them in an imaginary hypothetical scenario:
Statement 1. I believe that our ancestors landed in spacecrafts and that these are depicted on rock art. I really believe that.
(Questioner): When you say that you believe our ancestors landed in spacecrafts and that ...
Statement 2: What IS it with you? I didn't say that I believe they landed in spacecrafts. I am speculating that there might be things that we MIGHT know that we don't know for sure that we know. It's difficult to explain...
So in six pages has anyone countered anything in the OP’s video?
Don't be silly. Why would anyone do that when they can deflect by making up things he hasn't said. If enough people say it over and over again then it must be true. Welcome to 2018.
Don’t be silly. Why would anyone do that when they can deflect by making up things he hasn’t said. If enough people say it over and over again then it must be true. Welcome to 2018.
I know, his fanbois keep ignoring the questions and keep saying nobody has made a valid comment.
Tough crowd isn't it.
As a general point how does his views on monogamy and reducing violence account for the domestic violence rates?
Compare these two statements
He changes
"I really believe that"
to
"I wouldn't say I believed that I have my suspicions that"
So yes, slightly different. Believes/suspects/thinks, all in the same ball park.
I'm sure if we had people scrutinizing and comparing statements that we had made in the past there would be many a time where such slight differences had occurred.
So in six pages has anyone countered anything in the OP’s video?
Given the length and how tedious Peterson is still waiting for the OP to provide some relevant highlights/times for discussion. I have listened to him a few times and find him tedious and disingenuous in the extreme. Perhaps he has improved but cant be arsed wasting that time watching it without good reason.
well you can debunk his nonsense about lobsters pretty easily
serotonin may be common to both species but trying to justify his human social hierarchy idea on this basis displays a stunning level of ignorance about the hormonal & neurological make up of both species
he's a quack
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@dissonance, {in the past} he's had some interesting view points, but I think now he is fully engulfed in 'fame', he's gone way off the reservation and definitely plays to a crowd. There's so much he doesn't speak about, many holes he leaves, maybe because the topic would be a tinderbox, who knows.
He's basically a soundbite machine.
@mikesmith, agreed, I'd like to hear view-point on that, to explore the links between parental abuse/alienation and the potential effects that has on children as they grow into adults. The little research i've done indicates there is a link between this and DV, again if people took this stuff seriously and didn't fall into playing the gender politics game, maybe we could reduce the amount of trauma clueless rents mete out onto their children. OR at least take steps to manage it.
But I fear we'll just continue the cycle of this kind of shitshow.
I have listened to him a few times and find him tedious and disingenuous in the extreme. Perhaps he has improved
He hasn't. The stuff he rambles on about could be covered in 10 minutes by a decent speaker. Do his fans pay by the minute...
Don’t be silly. Why would anyone do that when they can deflect by making up things he hasn’t said. If enough people say it over and over again then it must be true. Welcome to 2018.
Instead of feigning offence, why don't you provide us with a specific claim for discussion?
Frankly, those people who are continuously having a pop at Geetee are saying much more about what is lacking in their lives than his.
Completely agree, my first post on this was thinking how odd it was that some people got so worked up about him. I still think its odd. I've put it down to some on the left's hysterical hatred of anything that could be construed as right wing. Some of your posts.
Saying Geetee has ‘issues’ is being incredibly diplomatic. The fact that his constant evangelising of the rapey shyster he thinks is ‘normal’ probably tells you everything you need to know
This especially stinks. What exactly is "everything we need to know" binners ?
So an hour in, plenty of complaints, still no real answer, think this sums it up.
I’ve put it down to some on the left’s hysterical hatred of anything that could be construed as right wing.
A claim with no evidence offered to support it. Now, who does that remind me of...
I’ve put it down to some on the left’s hysterical hatred of anything that could be construed as right wing.
This. It's absurd and I'll bet it's driving more people towards the right (or at least away from the left, but since there doesn't seem to be any centre ground now) than anything else. People really need to wake up and get a grip of themselves.
As a general point how does his views on monogamy and reducing violence account for the domestic violence rates?
I don't know what his views on monogamy and reducing violence are, perhaps kerley could give us all a quick synopsis.
Instead of feigning offence, why don’t you provide us with a specific claim for discussion?
So various claims are made with no evidence offered (and the evidence that is turns out to be false) and now you want to be supplied with your own material? Priceless!
So an hour in, plenty of complaints, still no real answer
It was four days ago that I was trying to get some specifics from one of the detractors so don't hold your breath!
A claim with no evidence offered to support it. Now, who does that remind me of…
Almost everyone on this thread.