[Closed] Another fatality affecting Waterloo - in case anyone is about to leave...

hopefully it's clarkson

<resists Clarkson styleee rant>

Off the National Rail Website

"A person has been hit by a train at New Malden.

Because of this, trains to and from London Waterloo are being delayed by up to 90 minutes. These delays will continue until the end of service.

Trains are running on all routes, the worst delays are currently affecting routes through Wimbledon."

Very sad. A person has died in tragic circumstances, and all people are concerned about is how they'll get home.

I know, I know, people need to get home, they din't know the person, life goes on etc etc.

But it's still sad though in't it? 😥

Elfin - it's one of societies failings unfortunately.

and so sad for the driver and guard, who will hve possibly seen the victim and had no opportunity to do anything about the collision.

The vast majority are suicides. The train driver and the people trying to get home are probably the ones we should be feeling sorry for.

They never, ever used to announce that death by metro was the cause of delay in Montreal. I think it was partly in order to minimise copy-cat suicides, and partly out of recognition of the tragedy.

Regardless, I remember leaving one station with hundreds of commuters after someone had jumped, and the silence was utterly haunting.

Feel so sorry for the family, driver or any witnesses. Tough if you get home 90 minutes late, no big deal in these circumstances I'm afraid.

The vast majority are suicides.

I think that people should feel sorry for the person who felt they had no options left in their life, other than to end it.

I wonder if some **** will make a joke of this one too...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-16068297

the passenger assistence girl looked stone-faced as I asked why they can't just scrape these people up 🙂

Fatalities up four-fold this year apparently.

I think that people should feel sorry for the person who felt they had no options left in their life, other than to end it.

we had this discussion last time there was a suicide.

Would feel sorry if he/she had decided to take their life without risking inflicting serious traumatic stress on any witnesses, and statistics show that people who witness suicide are much more likely to commit suicide themselves.

For some people suicide is a perfectly rational choice. Take Luis Ocana as we're on a cycling forum. Suicide or a slow miserable death from liver cancer. I think he made the right choice.

Should read: Elfin - it's one of society falling unfortunately.

Sorry its not callous, it could be an accident or it could be a suicide however you look at it someone is at peace now and many are affected. Some very directly. I'll NEVER curse a jumper for holding up my journey (it happens from time to time on Barton bridge M60 and suicidebridge over the m62 but people are allowed to warn others of delays etc.

RIP but come on. When I lived in London it was a weekly occurance on the tube.

Edukator - there are ways to do it that minimise the trauma to others though. Thoughts to the driver (& guard if there is one), the others who have to attend the scene and those who must clean up.

Fatalities aren't 'up fourfold' this year, they're about the same as usual (about 200/year) so far. Unsurprisingly more common at this time of year.

Apparently the peak hour for tube suicides is 11am.

Fatalities aren't 'up fourfold' this year

I was just quoting the pretty pasenger assistence girl.

But where is your evidence that they aren't - are you calling her a liar?

Or she may have meant fatalities on this line, meaning the lines out of Waterloo are increasing in popularity with those of a terminal persuasion.

Had one myself earlier this year, hence I take an interest in this sort of thing.

I offered my sympathy to the train driver, Cheburashka. I know an ex-train driver and the "ex" is for this very reason. I would imagine that the mess they leave behind is fairly low on the list of priorities of sommeone who's decided to end it all.

Up in Europe this year and up 40% in Greece according to one of their ministers.

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Up until recently I commuted into "that London" daily on the choo-choo. This year the number of "train has hit a person" incidents is way up on last year based upon my daily experience using Network South East into Waterloo.

that graph is out of date...

When you drive under a motorway bridge and see the faded flowers I think of the family and driver(s) below. Mainly the driver below. I also notice its over the fastlane unless greiving families put the flowers as centrally as possible?

Like I said the persons at rest, the family, friends and driver(s) are affected until they die.

It must be an awful and torturious place in that poor persons mind and they really want to make sure it'll definitely be over.

Apparently(?) Mental hospitals do contain failed attemptee's - true TJ?

Here's a more relevant graph, ten year trespass and suicide per quarter, up to 2011 Q1, from the ORR.

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Very sad for anyone to loose ones life, and more so if brought on by suicide
Trains delayed only by 90 mins.
Makes me think how much i should value life, and life has a whole.

The first thing I remember thinking earlier this year when my head had cleared a bit later on in the evening, a few hours after seeing that poor guy's last desperate moment hearing that noise and then going back to find only bits was 'I feel very alive'.

You'd be amazed at how many of them get away with jumping in front of a tube train, I've seen them crawl out from underneath one with no more damage than a dirty coat!

Mind you, I've also seen the results when they're successful, not nice.

Apparently(?) Mental hospitals do contain failed attemptees - true TJ?

[professional hat on] you'd get treated in a general hospital for injuries first if you survived an attempted suicide in fromt of a train, and then transferred to an acute mental health unit if they thought you were likely to rush straight out and try it again. Amputation injuries much harder to survive as the blood loss is just so quick and there is a slowing/stopped train in the way, but I do know of someone locally that did survive just that a few years ago.

it's one of societies failings unfortunately.

is it a failing of society? Ultimately we're talking monkeys and some people can't cope with life.

That isn't meant to be a harsh response but as someone who's known several suicides very close to his family, people try to help, there are plenty of people who haven't failed them but for some people it is their time, its an act that can't be rationalised.

I came through Waterloo this evening. Incredible the impact this had. Hardly any trains up on the board and no clue when trains to many destinations would be arriving, so crowded that is was a battle to get anywhere in the station. I got the 1st train going vaguely the right way for me then changed at Guildford but the 1st train I got on there didn't go anywhere as no driver to be found.

Part of the disruption in these incidents is because trains and traincrew are out of position, there are residual delays and knock-on effects that sometimes can't be sorted until the timetable is effectively rebooted (ie service starts again tomorrow). Looking at the live departure boards for Waterloo there is still stuff running round over an hour down.