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Because you are demanding that cyclists get out of the way of your dog on the cycle route, as if your dog had right of way.
Would you do the same on a road?
Am I? I don't think I've demanded anything of the sort purely by walking my dog off the lead.
The fact that it's a cycle route doesn't give cyclists automatic right of way, it's shared use, a bit of courtesy to others goes a long way.
The fact that it’s a cycle route doesn’t give cyclists automatic right of way, it’s shared use, a bit of courtesy to others goes a long way.
The TPT user code says don't block the path? You don't think that's reasonable?
The TPT user code says don’t block the path? You don’t think that’s reasonable?
Who said I was blocking the path?
At some point everyone blocks the route if it's narrow enough, or are you saying it's only dog walkers? horses don't block the path? cyclists don't block the path? walkers don't block the path? at some point you'll block the path to someone travelling in the other direction on that occasion one or the other gives way, sometimes I do sometimes the other party does, it's not hard.
At some point everyone blocks the route if it’s narrow enough
That's not a good reason to block the path where it's wide enough for more than a single file though.
The implication is that you shouldn't be making cyclists stop or slow down for your dog to move out of their way on the vast majority of the trail (i.e., where it's wider than a single file).
As I have suggested before, these designated cycle routes (like the TPT) are not parks so don't treat them as such.
So you consider others to be 'blocking' your path purely by being there? That you should have uninterrupted use no matter what? That's not blocking the path, that's using it and they have every right to do so.
The only one coming across as 'entitled' is you.
Why are the kids not on leads or walking to heel?
Good point a farmer could shoot them.
As I have suggested before, these designated cycle routes (like the TPT) are not parks so don’t treat them as such.
To be fair you declared all bridleways.
Where the Trail is a designated bridleway, cyclists should give way to other users.
The user code simply says:
If you are in a group, please do not walk or ride across the whole width of the path, leave space for others to pass you easily.
That seems pretty clear to me, and yes, one does 'block' by 'blocking'.
What you seem to want is free use accross the whole width of the path. I don't want that. Who is entitled?
Jesus H Christ. Can someone please kill this thread?
Many seem to misinterpret the pedestrian right of way as meaning that pedestrians have some kind of sovereignty - when in a group - to straddle the trail across the whole width, for example. It merely means that in the case of junctions or chokepoints other users should step to the side or wait.
The TPT rules are quite clear about cyclists and the right of way.
That seems pretty clear to me, and yes, one does ‘block’ by ‘blocking’.
What you seem to want is free use accross the whole width of the path. I don’t want that. Who is entitled?
Can you show me where I've demanded the use of the whole path? and who is this group I'm with? I don't like the sound of them already.
If I'm 'blocking' the path then it's only a single persons width, I'm not walking and elephant.
If your dog is off the lead (or on a long lead) then you could be blocking the whole path.
Using....
Can you show me where I’ve demanded the use of the whole path?
It was my understanding that you wanted to have your dog off the lead, and potentially in someone's way, until such point as they asked you to move/recall it?
Then you understand incorrectly, of the lead yes, this doesn't automatically translate to being in the way or leaving him there until someone points out the issue. Some of us, infact most of us do look after our dogs, train them properly and ensure they aren't a nuisance to others, trouble is no one remembers the positive interactions but dwell on the negative, and amplify them in echo chambers like this thread.
What do you mean by that @Drac?
This.
Where the Trail is a designated bridleway, cyclists should give way to other users.
Where the Trail is a designated bridleway, cyclists should give way to other users.
Yield to me and my elephant!
The poo bags are a bit of a bugger to hang from the trees though 🙁
What's the tpt* anyway, I might start walking the elephant there....
*Tibetan people traffickers?
What’s the tpt* anyway, I might start walking the elephant there….
Tran Pennine Trail.
Right @Drac, but what does that right of way actually mean?
It clearly doesn't give pedestrians the right to block the entire width of the path for example, so 'right of way' doesn't mean 'get out of my way'.
It clearly doesn’t give pedestrians the right to block the entire width of the path for example, so ‘right of way’ doesn’t mean ‘get out of my way’.
I haven’t seen anyone claim that.
Where the Trail is a designated bridleway, cyclists should give way to other users
That says you're bottom of the food chain, even my dog outranks you.
I think I'll go for an especially wide walk tonight....😙
Jesus H Christ. Can someone please kill this thread?
Yep. If STW want a thread to put off new and existing users, this is perfect.
That's not what right of way means.
And who decides what is deemed sensible? Does sensible mean they do what you think they should?
Do you really need 'sensible' defining to you? After everything I just wrote?
Getting physical with a dog is 50:50 going to get you punched by the owner, risky business.
Getting physical with a dog, the owner is probably at least second down on your list of your worries.
if you’re getting chased by a dog, adjust your speed so the dog cant catch you, but can definitely keep up and keep interested. Run them into the next county, then leave them there.
Outrun many dogs in your time, have you? Bike vs Jack Russell you might be in with a chance, trainers vs Greyhound not so much.
What happens regarding right of way of there’s a dog riding a bike?
i sometimes put the dog in a flatbed trailer and ride around towing him behind me, its very slow and the trailer is bulky and wide. Is this also blocking the path?
My first dog was bad for chasing folk on a bike !!
I had to take the bike off him !
i sometimes put the dog in a flatbed trailer and ride around towing him behind me, its very slow and the trailer is bulky and wide. Is this also blocking the path?
Don’t do this with a bike on the roof you’ll cause a black hole.
Apparently encouraging a dog to chase you risks them dying of exhaustion.
As much as it raised a cheap laugh its actually true, sighthounds can run themselves to death if given the opportunity.