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Another death to decipher?

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Another relatives death certificate.

 

Not sure what happened but you need to zoom in on this one.

I can read the first 2 but the 3rd?

 


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 1:01 pm
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Nystagmus? Though not sure if that would be a cause of death.


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 1:04 pm
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Nystagmus? Though not sure if that would be a cause of death.

 

The bus driver had it.

 


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 1:06 pm
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I keep coming back to Nystagmus which doesn't sound at all fatal.

I can make out Certified by J Campbell M.B. but that's all.

I think that the 3rd word might have of written over it, so I wonder if it's an area or organ affected by the bronchitis.


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 2:41 pm
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I keep coming back to Nystagmus which doesn't sound at all fatal.

I can make out Certified by J Campbell M.B. but that's all.

I think that the 3rd word might have of written over it, so I wonder if it's an area or organ affected by the bronchitis.

@Pjay - if it helps he was a coal miner and the bronchitis was work related.

I believe it was a struggle at the time to get the doctors to put it on the death certificate.

Is there another coal mining illness it could be?

 

 


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 2:58 pm
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I believe it was a struggle at the time to get the doctors to put it on the death certificate.

 

A bit like my auntie, who worked at GEC in Birmingham (where there was a lot of asbestos used) and her death certificate stated the  cause as "mesothelioma - non asbestos related".


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 3:21 pm
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(a) Myocardial degeneration
(b) Chronic bronchitis
ii Nystagmus 

certified by 

J. Campbell M.B.

 

Like PJay says Nystagmus is an odd cause of death but it looks to me like the numbering is (a),(b),ii - so is another "field" on the form?


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 3:22 pm
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Myocardial degeneration - likely to be cardiac failure - likely secondary to ischaemic heart disease

Chronic Bronchitis - COPD - most likely smoking related but industrial disease/pollution, childhood infections are possible

Nystagmus - is a clinical sign rather than a diagnosis - coroner/PF might ask to clarify cause and relevance


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 4:47 pm
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Part II is conditions not causing but contributing to death, as above nystagmus is a sign (jerky eye movements), with many causes, due to brain disease, from benign to sinister. No relation to primary cause of death.  Would most likely be (right) heart failure, due to the chronic bronchitis. Or as bigR above bur 1a should be caused directly by 1b. Industrial diseases are notifiable, and are referred to coroner/ fiscal in Scotland  in case of compensation claims. Coal related lung disease is pneumoconiosis. 


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 4:58 pm
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Not sure what the third cause is, but, chronic heart degeneration plus COPD would likely be enough to be the cause of death.


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 6:19 pm
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(a) Myocardial degeneration
(b) Chronic bronchitis
ii Nystagmus 

certified by 

J. Campbell M.B.

 

Like PJay says Nystagmus is an odd cause of death but it looks to me like the numbering is (a),(b),ii - so is another "field" on the form?

The numbering was (until the beginning of September, when they added 1d)

1a

1b

1c

2

 

Where 1a is the cause of death, 1b directly contributed to 1a, and 1c directly contributed to 1b. Part 2 is other conditions indirectly contributing to the death. As an example, this is a typical intensive care MCCD:

1a Multi-organ failure

1b Sepsis

1c Community-acquired bacterial pneumonia 

2 Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus

So, the CAP caused the sepsis, which caused the MOF of which the patient died, and the diabetes contributed as it affects immune response.

 

Nystagmus seems a bit odd as it’s a clinical sign rather than a diagnosis per se.

DOI - have filled in many, many MCCDs over the last 24 years.

 

 


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 7:54 pm
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@Pjay - if it helps he was a coal miner and the bronchitis was work related.

See Glamorgan Archives "Nystagmus, a disease of the eye caused by work in low light conditions, affected 199,831 miners in the UK between 1908 and 1938."

Coal related lung disease is pneumoconiosis. 

Chronic bronchitis and emphysema are also classified occupational diseases in coal miners.


 
Posted : 28/02/2025 10:06 pm
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*TANGENT*

The bus driver had it.

I was on a call it think to an insurance company once and when the call handler realised I was from Ayrshire it triggered a long anecdote about her grandfather and family tree research. The only thing she knew about him was that 'He'd died in the war' but she didn't know anything about his service record - what branch of the military, where in the world this had happened. This prompted a long search through IWM records etc struggling to find the right guy, following a few red herrings that were name sakes etc and ultimately couldn't find anything - this lead to speculation that maybe he was in some sort of secret operation, or some sort of resistance fighter or other clandestine activity.

 

Turned out after months of research - it was non of these things. He'd simply been run over by a bus on Prestwick High Street, co-incidentally, it was during the war.


 
Posted : 01/03/2025 10:16 am

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