[Closed] Another day, another MP suspended

Excuse the mixed metaphor, but Teresa May's lack of balls is astounding. Her cabinet is completely out of control.

here ya go OOB

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-international-development-secretary-priti-patel

From the link:

The FCO were aware of the visit while it was underway, but were not informed about it in advance.

She's got no meaningful power and the 'lies' are actually semantics.

It's not registering on my GAFometer.

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If she was "Minister for invading Jordan and Egypt" and the Minister of Defence was with her I would probably care quite a lot. But she isn't.

As I say, I have no problem with her resigning, but spy? It's a joke.

Teresa May's lack of balls is astounding

What did you expect a lame duck government to be like?

What did you expect a lame duck government to be like?

ineffectual. This is full on melt down.

That said Northern Ireland hasn't had a functioning government for best part of a year, and literally nothing has changed

zippykona - Member

. Not really sensing an anti-brexit swing in the Sun, Mail and Express as yet...

But this is surprising for the telegraph.
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I get the impression that the Telegraph supports a full on swan dive off the Brexit cliff edge. Theresa May isn't frothing enough for them by some margin.

the 'lies' are actually semantics.

No, they're actually not.

3 November
Patel told the Guardian that the foreign secretary knew about her trip and suggested the Foreign Office had been briefing against her. “Boris knew about the visit. The point is that the Foreign Office did know about this, Boris knew about [the trip],” she admitted telling the paper.

The BBC’s diplomatic correspondent James Landale reported that Patel had undisclosed meetings in Israel without telling the Foreign Office. He quoted one official as saying that Patel had been “pushing to get her hands on the Palestinian Authority aid budget and we have been pushing back”.

6 November
Patel apologised after admitting she gave a misleading account to the Guardian of her trip to Israel. In a statement, he admitted holding 12 meetings, including three with Israeli politicians – Netanyahu among them.

She said: “This quote [to the Guardian] may have given the impression that the secretary of state had informed the foreign secretary about the visit in advance. The secretary of state would like to take this opportunity to clarify that this was not the case. The foreign secretary did become aware of the visit, but not in advance of it.”

I'm normally the first to suggest Hanlon's razor

So we're broadly on the same page and normally you'd agree with me, just not this time. Fairy snuff.

“Boris knew about the visit. The point is that the Foreign Office did know about this, Boris knew about [the trip],”

That's not a lie. He did know about it - while it was going on. If she'd said "Boris knew about the visit before I went" that would be a lie. TBH I wouldn't GAF about that either. Maybe I just don't take 'international development' seriously enough.

Patel - International Development Sectetary meeting foreign politicians whatever next ?

That's desperate!

I believe that Jamby used to have one or two 'adversaries' on here who at least used to stick up for him on his politeness and reasoning (even if it is often faulty and/or deliberately one-eyed), but that comment really does knock the credible-o-meter down into the red!

Maybe I just don't take 'international development' seriously enough.

What ministry she was in charge of isn't important at all, It's the fact that essentially she'd conducted her own foreign policy alongside a lobbyist and then lied about it. You simply can't have Minsters doing that sort of stuff.

So we're broadly on the same page and normally you'd agree with me, just not this time. Fairy snuff.

Purely on the basis it shows such a level of incompetence in both going without the appropriate FCO backup, and then being so crap about covering it up again after.... I just can't believe anyone's that incompetent.

So, as Sherlock would say, once all other explanations are removed whatever remains, however 'unlikely' must be the truth.

Either way; whether it's sinister or just so ****ing incompetent it beggars belief, there's no way she can remain in post.

The best metaphor I could find at short notice for this Tory shower of shit.

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By the way, the innocent golf bag represents the U.K.

As I say, I have no problem with her resigning, but spy? It's a joke.

Oh we have no idea it's ok though because Gilad Erdan, Israel’s public security and strategic affairs minister probably did.
Whom according to the guardian ... In 2015 Erdan’s ministry was given powers including those to “guide, coordinate and integrate the activities of all the ministers and the government and of civil entities in Israel and abroad on the subject of the struggle against attempts to delegitimize Israel and the boycott movement”.

Which funnily enough was what that Israeli 'diplomat' thought he was doing when he was forced to leave the country- one of the MPs he wanted to take down was Alan Duncan

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/12/israeli-official-plotted-take-down-british-mps-resigns-shai-masot

Who's now bookies 2nd favourite to replace Patel, how ironic would that be?

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Though May is stupid enough to employ another Brexiter, despite signs that they are all quite incompetent 😉

Haha did you miss the bit where she hid it all from the PM then lied multiple times to cover it up ?

Ha. As if anyone would expect jambalaya to be at all bothered about a pro-Brexit politician lying.

By the way, the innocent golf bag represents the U.K.

Genuine 😆

This really is [i]brilliant[/i], isn't it.

The only slight worry I have is that this bunch of plonkers 'represent' us to other nations.

Let's hope the rest of the world (Trump-ite America excepted) still have enough respect for us to realise we actually can do a lot better.

who cares what she thinks about Brexit. There is a ministerial code she clearly broke it and clearly lied about who knew/when about her meetings.

the only real story is why May took so long to sack her

TBH Boris lie/error/mistake/stupidity about the iranian /British woman in jail in Iran is far more serious. the complete arrogant **** wont just say he got it wrong so she will most likely get a more severe prison sentence
your own hubris before someone elses liberty is pretty sick

We all know May is the weakest prime minister we are ever likely to see.

BBC News reporting Patel will resign rather than be sacked.

She walked through the front door at 1833...

Let's assume she's not incompetent. She seems a reasonably intelligent woman to me.

So the question is why? Unlikely to be spying because she was too obvious.

But how about feeding aid money to Israel in return for some large donations to various bodies which would fund her run for PM and another election?

That's my theory. 🙂

Minister Patel should stay.

People will still continue to vote for Conservative Party.

The objection are from the known people who normally object to Conservative Party/policy anyway. i.e. hyping up.

[b]p/s: Minister Patel has resigned ...[/b]

And BBC News reporting Patel "has left the building"..

This is soooooo exciting watching the nasty party go down the toilet...

She has resigned by the looks of it.

But how about feeding aid money to Israel in return for some large donations to various bodies which would fund her run for PM and another election?

That's my theory.

bikebouy - Member
This is soooooo exciting watching the nasty party go down the toilet...

The alternative nasty party will never govern for a long time but they are here to wreck the party.

What alternative nasty party, there is only one.
C'mon, even you should know that.. 😆

bikebouy - Member
What alternative nasty party, there is only one.

Boooooooo! she resigns, as reported on BBC News..

I wanted a sacking, I wanted Blood and I want Public Shaming.

Edit, in fact I'd quite like to see the stocks come back..

I wanted a sacking, I wanted Blood and I want Public Shaming.

bikebouy - Member
Boooooooo! she resigns, as reported on BBC News..

I wanted a sacking, I wanted Blood and I want Public Shaming.

You also want to form government I assume? 😆

rene59 - Member
There is still Boris. Live in hope.

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I do live in hope, but public ridicule is spectacular.. so I'll have to accept that.

By leaving she opens up a number of opportunities without the BloJo Lies tag.. sadly she's got away with it.

But, live by the sword..die by the sword eh.

I expect the New Development Secretary will be a 19yr old out of A Level Politics, from Harrow or Eaton and be schooled in Public ridicule and a Penchant for Pork, but yet to go to Cambridge because the nasty party see "a future in Yoof" (don't forget the proposed Yoof Tax breaks to gain back the vote they lost)

The Age Of Enlightenment is upon us, embrace it Lads.

All hail the killfile

I was hoping for a sacking too. Very disappointed. I think it would have done our leader good to sack her and show she had a bit of backbone

Nah, weak and slow as she goes... thats the nasty party mantra. 😆

bikebouy - Member
I expect the New Development Secretary will be a 19yr old out of A Level Politics, from Harrow or Eaton and be schooled in Public ridicule and a Penchant for Pork, but yet to go to Cambridge because the nasty party see "a future in Yoof" (don't forget the proposed Yoof Tax breaks to gain back the vote they lost)

People or politicians either have it or they don't regardless of what education they have.

They can go to the most expensive posh school there is or they can go to the poorest school there is, there is no guarantee they can be liked by everyone.

The only people that can force power on others are bureaucrats. These are the ones that use their powers to force others. Their powers are usually unchecked.

Strong and stable...

ferrals - Member
I was hoping for a sacking too. Very disappointed. I think it would have done our leader good to sack her and show she had a bit of backbone

The only mistake Minister Patel made was not playing the rules of the media by engaging the opposition parties, to the Israel government, first.

The media has been circling the sky like vulture eyeing for a "juicy snack" for a while now and especially after Brexit. The media really needs to be seen as "important" to maintain their present as the web is going to slowly make them insignificant.

Does anyone on here ever even respond to Chewkw ?- he might as well be ghost banned as it will make no difference to him but will save us the trouble of the kill file

Does anyone on here ever even respond to Chewkw ?

Junkyard - lazarus
Does anyone on here ever even respond to Chewkw ?- he might as well be ghost banned as it will make no difference to him but will save us the trouble of the kill file

I am providing my reasons that Patel is trial by media.

I have not made any offensive remarks towards anyone nor have I sworn at anyone for this matter.

I compare all parties with their own characters available for the public too see. Just as the opposition(s) make fun of the characters in government, it is also fair the other way round.

Party in Government and the Opposition Party(s) should be equally scrutinised. Even the media should be scrutinised.

Why do you want me ban just because you disagree with me?

I just read his posts, compose a response in my head, then think CBA and move on...

I'll bite, it isn't "trial by media"

You need to read what she's done.

Then we can still ignore your response..... 😛

Accepting resignation '....allows Patel to leave with dignity'.
What bollx.
May should have sacked her.
Lies, evasion, bias, unprofessionalism, (further) damaging UK diplomatic reputation.
Resignation allows for possibility of return to ministerial position but sacking would have removed that and sent a message - if you've stuffed up, we don't accept resignations we do sackings.

Assuming it's innocent, it would still deserve a harsh reprimand, she was on holiday apparently so why was she doing undisclosed business?

That said if she's getting the boot, Boris should be ahead of her in the line.

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bikebouy - Member
I'll bite, it isn't "trial by media"

You need to read what she's done.

Then we can still ignore your response.....

Perhaps she is naive (Patel) we don't know but certainly inexperience in my view ...

Yes, definitely inexperience.

No ministers in their right mind would want to damage the relationship in that region especially the very sensitive ones.

Therefore, she is inexperience in terms of the details.

May should have sacked her.
Lies, evasion, bias, unprofessionalism, (further) damaging UK diplomatic reputation.
Resignation allows for possibility of return to ministerial position but sacking would have removed that and sent a message - if you've stuffed up, we don't accept resignations we do sackings.

Agree, it’s just more evidence of how weak and wobbly May is.

Should be back to sexual misconduct again tomorrow

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One thing for sure, PP was not there for the benefit of the UK, but for a personal agenda.

She's not the sort to resist full expenses paid.

Why was she allowed to resign?, May should have sacked her (as well as kicking her in the chuff purely for her self satisfied demeanour) then perhaps send her to live in the illegally occupied Golan heights to experience what her lobbying/support for the so called Conservative Friends of [s]Israel[/s] Zionists has done to the Syrians,.

Yeah....you can probably infer that I'm not a fan.

I offer a fulsome apology

To lose one minister is unfortunate, to loose two seems careless. How many is that now?

Is Patel the first minister to clandestinely make arrangements with Israel, or just the first to get caught out?

She's certainly not the first prominent Tory to visit the Golan Heights despite the UK not officially recognizing the area as being part of the state of Israel.

[quote=Junkyard ]TBH Boris lie/error/mistake/stupidity about the iranian /British woman in jail in Iran is far more serious. the complete arrogant **** wont just say he got it wrong so she will most likely get a more severe prison sentence
your own hubris before someone elses liberty is pretty sick

Though it does make for an incredible Count of Monte Cristo-esque story which involves an elaborate plot over decades that literally sees him eviscerated then hoisted over his own petard

May couldn't sack her because she too is complicit:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/no-10-knew-about-priti-patel-israel-meetings-1.447605

Party leaders never "sack" anyone. they are "invited to resign" Its just a form of words. Patel was sacked in anything other than the language of politics

Bye bye nasty, self serving egomaniac.

There'll be another one along in a few minutes.

tjagain - Member
Party leaders never "sack" anyone. they are "invited to resign" Its just a form of words. Patel was sacked in anything other than the language of politics

Very true.

they do sack some but this is a bit odd as the resignation was not a resignation

Junkyard - I cannot think of any politician sacked by their party from an internal party position. give me an example please? Educate me

they do sack some but this is a bit odd as the resignation was not a resignation

give me an example please? Educate me

The veneer (or sham) of resignations being offered and accepted in circumstances of misbehaviour should be dropped.
They are sackings and should be described and managed as such.

To lose one minister is unfortunate, to loose two seems careless. How many is that now?

Chris Pincher, Michael Fallon and Priti Patel, it feels like there must have been others? Charlie Elphicke also suspended..

[quote=Rusty Spanner ]Bye bye nasty, self serving egomaniac.
There'll be another one along in a few minutes.

T. May is still prez ?????

Stephen Crabb, Damian Green, Mark Garnier, Daniel Kawczynski and Dan Poulter all under investigation but not sacked or suspended (yet..)

What was it then, a love letter?

If you believe that can i introduce to my Nigerian friend,a prince, who needs a wee bit of help?

@ tj and sackings Carl sargeant was sacked from the welsh assembly last week but given his suicide lets show some respect please

Corbyn sacked some m shadow ministers over Brexit
Ever reshuffle ever
I am sure Google will be better than my memory

Its fair to say most are made to/chose to resign but there are still sackings

Fairy snuff

Nice to see Chewie back in the fold. I mean, come on, the Jamby login was nearly totally ****ed up by trying to defend this bunch of clowns. At least the Tory meme-generator got the right login eventually to try to put up some kind of resistance.

That is unless Jamby and Chewie are for real, in which case.......Jesus wept.

This bunch of tosspots are unraveling fast - I doubt May is going to last the month.

Face it, swivel-eyes, your pyrrhic 18 month 'victory' is nearly over.

Get in there!

Back of the net!

Resigned vs sacked?, so it’s actually an argument over semantics?.

Ah well that’s all good....doublespeak it is.

Carry on....government business as usual tomorrow?

🙄

It'll all be hushed up and business as normal soon , so let's enjoy every delightful second of watching these ****ers squirm while we can.

Yes and remember if it's a tory then they are hard done by, witch hunt, hounded by the press. If it's labour then string them up before we get to find out what has happened.
As for standards of behaviour they are clear and laid out for all ministers to abide by. Being a government minister elevates you to a position where you are actually representing the government with your actions and should be clear about what you are doing.

wonder how this looks from abroad....

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/08/opinions/uk-leadership-vacuum-opinion-mcternan/index.html

ouch!

so how long has Borris got?

so how long has Borris got?

Hopefully about 3ft of rope on a 12ft ceiling, he’s utterly self serving and has zero useful purpose apart from medical cadaver purposes

https://www.ukclimbing.com/user/profile.php?id=223754
Hmm...

Im not sure that Patel grinning like shes just won the lottery as she resigns is a good look, its across all the front pages too

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tjagain - Member

To lose one minister is unfortunate, to loose

French spy!!!

dannyh - Member

If you think politicians can be saints, regardless of party, then you might want to re-evaluate your views on them.

PM Theresa May is the Best the British people can have at the moment as the alternative is unthinkable.

Besides, the more you scrutinise the politicians the better they become so from now on ALL of them will up their gamesmanship regardless.

IMO PM May will be PM for a while because the alternatives are weak from all sides (including Tories).

PM May can easily be PM for three terms and I support her because there is no one better than her at the moment.

Besides, the more you scrutinise the politicians the better they become so from now on ALL of them will up their gamesmanship regardless.

hehe

Mays been under scrutiny since she fluffed the election, its really not done her any favours

If you think politicians can be saints, regardless of party, then you might want to re-evaluate your views on them.

PM Theresa May is the Best the British people can have at the moment as the alternative is unthinkable.

Besides, the more you scrutinise the politicians the better they become so from now on all of them will up their gamesmanship.

Government is on the rocks, it wasn't even stable before all this started.

kimbers - Member

Besides, the more you scrutinise the politicians the better they become so from now on ALL of them will up their gamesmanship regardless.

hehe

Mays been under scrutiny since she fluffed the election, its really not done her any favours

Do you think Labour can better the game? I doubt so. They will get the same treatment if not worst because they are in dilemma now due to the working class supporting Brexit. One wrong move Labour will be gone forever to be replaced by another "working class" party.

mikewsmith - Member

PM Theresa May is the Best the British people can have at the moment as the alternative is unthinkable.

Says more about your imagination

Once the skeletons come out, and we fire some more etc.

Government is on the rocks, it wasn't even stable before all this started.

Government is stable as far as I am concerned. Very stable.

What you have just witnessed is just another normal day in politics being scrutinised.

The oppositions trying to bring down the government are just doing their jobs.