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Seen a tidyish looking one for £800, MOT till next Sept. I was after an MX5, but I've heard the Clio is pretty awesome.
Any thoughts?
Great cars, I've had 2, first one was a dog, bought unseen off ebay as a track car project, still sat in a friends garage half finished, 2nd was a cup which I covered 30k in over 2 years.
Be aware that the cambelt is due every 72k or 5 years and is a £500ish job so budget for replacement if it's not been done recently (which on an £800 car it probably hasn't) failed cambelt will write off the car as new valves would cost more than the whole car to replace.
They have a habit of eating rear shocks, but they're easy to change and should only cost about £80 a pair. Exhaust hangers collapse, but again fairly cheap to replace. The steering wheel will look like it has melted and you will get airbag warning lights, a quick wiggle of the connector block under the seats normally sorts this out.
They're pretty good on fuel, I averaged 32mpg out of mine and it regularly saw the limiter on cross country runs 😉
Sensibility overruled in the end (and increasing annual mileage) and I went diesel for my daily driver, sadly didn't have the space at home to keep a second car.
My old one
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Your vegetables aren't doing too well, momo...
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Was an overgrown mess when I moved into that house, left there over two years ago now, but looked a lot better when I moved out.
Aye I figured the cambelt would need doing, it's quite high mileage too (125k). Looks like it's a pain in the arse job too!
for 800 quid , if its got a years test just run it into the ground and scrap it for 150 at the end.
my old bosses berlingo was on 170k over 12 years - on original timing belt - him having done 130,000 of those miles. - timing belts on those are 5 years /80k.
It is, there's not a lot of spare room in the engine bay and you need specific locking tools. It's the only job I wouldn't have a crack at myself on mine.
Cliosport.net is a good resource for information, and spare parts, there's always someone breaking a car on there! I saved my membership fee many times over by using the club discount and buy/sell forums.
If it's been well looked after the engines are fairly strong, just go into ownership with your eye's open and be prepared to walk away if it all goes wrong - like any low budget performance car really!
Just had a read about the cambelt change, sounds like a reet pain! Turns out this car has no history at all, reckon I'll leave this one...
Carefully check the oil, under caps/coolant and around the engine block.
If the engine bay looks clean - I'd walk.
At £800 I wouldn't throw £500 at it unless I'd owned it for a year first to see it was 'ok' everwhere else. Go with a view that you'd get £170 back scrapped or sell for parts worsecase on ebay.
TBH- at £800 for such a car you'd end up spending Circa £200 a month in bits and bobs keeping it on the road. Some with say no but I bet its not far off. That'd equal £2000 a year.....
I'd buy as late a plate/condition etc possible 172/182 Clio with receipts for a recent cambelt- spend alittle more in other words!
Yeah I'm starting to think spending a bigger chunk of budget (around 2k) is a better idea tbh.
That said I'm off to look at a £350 MX5 on Saturday.
ok so its a 182 🙂
my friend had a 182 cup or something, hated it 95% of the time but loved it for the fun times. was certainly quite good fun. timing belt went and had a replacement engine fitted, sounded very expensive.
I will have a 182 trophy one day!
Walk away from that one, there are plenty of cars out there that have been maintained properly
They are good little cars, but there are plenty around so look for one with a slightly more history.
Condition and service history matters more than mileage (unless its been to the moon) on cars that age
Any clio cup milleage id take with a pinch of salt as the speedo pick ups are a common fault and ive known people drive round with no speedo for years on end and fix it just before selling on.
A hoot to drive though a mate bought a 172 for sub 1k and on the 1st drive out the speedo packed up the headlights fell out into the engine bay the stereo fell out and a drive shaft snapped.
That said I'm off to look at a £350 MX5 on Saturday.
😆 - look at the rear arches and sills very carefully. Again- up your budget, a 04 MK2.5 MX5 with one owner/full history bought in winter should only be £2,500 if you haggle hard IMO.
Walk away from that one, there are plenty of cars out there that have been maintained properly
This is why I never owned/bought a clio in general- its an 'easyish' performance car available to every Tom, Dick and Harry who still lives at home with his parents, buys the car and just about manages to pay the insurance premium whilst neglecting every single service item.
Aye I've seen a few nice MXs with FSH and everything done for £1,500 - £2,000, just quite like the risk of something super cheap (it LOOKED pretty good for rust, the sills have been replaced, but I need to go back for a proper look ) even though I know it's a silly idea.
Heard good things about the Clios.
At least in driving terms.
It's still a Renault Clio in the end though.
I got a 52 MX5 Mk2.5 1.8 VT Sport, single owner, FDSH and 29k miles for £2k at the end of summer.
Feels like driving a new car.
Crikey, that's a reet bargain. Why do I never find these cars?
Why do I never find these cars?
How far/radius are you searching currently?
I bought my last car from Bridport near Bournemouth and the one previous in Ayr (I'm in Manchester)
Aye I maybe need to widen it a wee bit, looking within around 50 miles of Hull at the moment. Hull is a bit of a dead zone for cars!
I had a 172 cup as a project for a while. Seats are crap, steering wheel melts, ride is awful.... but great craic tipped into a corner.
As a mod of transport i would give it a miss, as toy, go for it!
25 miles down the road. Was on local gumtree.
[i]As a mode of transport i would give it a miss, as toy, go for it![/i]
god, yeah - I was a passenger in one once, an hour each way. Noisy, uncomfortable, chucked around like a rag doll. Not an experience I'd like to repeat!
buying local only really works ime if you are buying on price rather than a specific car.
looking for a specific car - start local and work out.
my last car i wanted a specific spec and engine and ended up going to fort william for it.
momo - MemberGreat cars, I've had 2...........................................sadly didn't have the space at home to keep a second car.
This really post covers everything really - love my 182! Most jobs are fairly simple to do, even I'm happy putting the car on axle stands and getting in amongst it these days! Worth getting to know a specialist for anything tricky though - and Renault main dealers do not tend to know what they're doing with 1*2s.
If the engine bay looks clean - I'd walk.
Which is a little daft, as it'd rule out a big chunk of the market - lots of these are kept very clean.
had a replacement engine fitted, sounded very expensive.
Replacement engines can usually be had for around £600. So even if a belt does pop and ruin the engine it's not rediculous just to replace the whole lump.
Seats are crap, steering wheel melts, ride is awful.... but great craic tipped into a corner.
Cup seats are really nasty. Normal ones and Recaros from a Trohphy are pretty good though. Steering wheels do indeed melt, must get mine re-trimmed at some point! 25% MOAR stiffness in a Cup iirc, shame so many took this option as, unless you are spending a lot of time on track, the normal setup is great!
Ex 182 Cup owner here - cracking little car, little being the operative word. Couldn't get away with a "full fat" 182 due to the overstuffed leather & alcantara seats. Poverty spec cloth on the 182 Cup meant I could just about fit. I'm not quite 6', though quite long in the leg...
In all the discussion of cambelts above, the crucial thing that no-one has yet mentioned is that while the cam belt is 72k miles, the auxiliary belt which is right next to it is due every 36k miles. It's a much easier (and cheaper) job to do, but frequently overlooked - more often than not, a failed auxiliary belt takes the cambelt with it... The variator pulleys often get a bit sticky, but can be left until the cambelt gets done - a sticky variator pulley results in more of a step change as it comes on cam.
I had mine for just under 3 years, racked up almost 60k miles, averaging 35mpg or so over that time - pretty respectable for the kind of car. I was kinda sad to see it go but my driving habits had changed and it wasn't a relaxing drive for smashing in motorway miles. And bikes fit in the back of my current car a little easier...
"Replacement engines can usually be had for around £600. So even if a belt does pop and ruin the engine it's not rediculous just to replace the whole lump.
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Do check it hasnt been replaced in the past.
Engine replacement even like for like is a declarable to insruance cos.
vin + engine numbers wont match.
Which is a little daft, as it'd rule out a big chunk of the market - lots of these are kept very clean.
I wouldn't touch any car unless it was a classic or collectable that had a recent jet-washed engine. For many reasons.
Cars come with a service book. The engine can tell you its history too visually. Ontop of that- what do you avoid spraying? Do you know where all the connectors are, the ECU, the wiring? You can cover them but unless you really know what your doing your washing the whole engine. Not good.
A friend took his alfa into a alfa garage- they jetwashed the engine bay. No idea why (unless they had made a cockup) - he had engine light and oil problems post-that. Too much of coincidence.
Ignore Hora, he hasn't a clue what he's on about
Ebay/Ownersclub for parts and if neither have them, GSF.com. French cars are a bit more involved to work on but 172/182's are popular cars so plenty of stuff on forums and youtube.
As said for £800 you could run it without doing the belt and scrap it if it goes bang. Buy it, change the coolant and oil and run it until it breaks.
Given a choice between a Clio or an MX-5 I personally would have the Clio. Any Mx-5/Miata that I've looked at around that age has been riddled with rust. Also, we did a track day at Spa, me in an RS4 and my mate in a played with Focus RS. There were two blokes there in an Ex-palmer sport Clio with a sequential box and slick tyres but standard engine. We could destroy him on the straights but man alive was it quick through the bends.
You must troll harder petal.Ignore Hora, he hasn't a clue what he's on about
hora - MemberYou must troll harder petal
Not really as you do appear to be talking bollocks. Head to ClioSport and half the forum members keep the engine bay squeaky clean (and most by using elbow grease over a jet wash). To many 1*2 owners it is turning into a classic/collectable.
Using an Alfa with warning lights has to be the worst example in the history of cars......and examples.
Excellent - So how do you spot the 'I elbow grease an French/Renault to I used a hose or jetwash?
The Renault 5 turbo is a very rare car. For the same reason the clio will be. Its a Renault.
Not trolling, FACT. I've had one, owned by a lad who kept it in mint condition and the engine bay was mint, as was the rest of the car (with the exception of the steering wheel). And who in their right minds jetwashes a car engine these days apart from moody dealers in Sarfend and rental company spanner monkeys.
£800 spent on a car isn't an investment for life. It'll break and when it does, it'll cost a bit more than a cooking focus to fix. At that point, decide whether its worth fixing or throw it away and buy another. You'd lose twice that in depreciation buying a new Dacia for £7k and driving out the showroom. Its not really high miles either - they stopped making the 172 in 2003, so even if it was one of the last ones thats only 12k a year.
Like I said, buy it, change the oil and coolant and drive it 'til it pops.
Oh, and they stopped making the Renault 5 Turbo in 1986. They started making the 172 in 1999. So thats probably why a 5 turbo is rare.
Sorry I wouldn't buy any car that was a average shopping hatch with a big engine and suspension that had been through a few owners and clocked abit of miles, that was also a Renault. Which ever way you cut it- those that polish it up more than likely wont be the cars first owner either.
You can only buy on condition. Lift the budget abit and buy the best you can afford. Spending £800 is firmly in do I bin it or spend a couple of hundred, which leads to a couple hundred more etc.
I've owned a few cars- including a couple of MX5's. I can't claim to be any sort of expert on those. Just my experience.
Saying some people on a forum polish there engine bay means all Renault Clio Sports with a recently washed engine bay before sale must mean they've all been lovingly hand rubbed down ....come on.
Most would use a hose and/or jet then wipe down. I'm not going anywhere near a car with a clean engine bay. You claim they see them as future classics- Most of those clio's have been through a few owners now and are getting on.
BTW- I've driven a Clio 182/I hated the steering wheel/angle and pedals 😉
Referring to a group of people is a lot better than "my mates Alfa had a warning light" - they come like that from the factory.
Like any 2nd car transaction, you try and guage the owner - if they don't convince you, you walk away.
Apart from if it's tidy, as tidy actually = bad condition??You can only buy on condition.
Everyone hates the overall driving position, it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone looking at one of these.
I know no idea why you're talking about MX-5s, but obviously none of them have ever seen any corners or trackdays or had rusty chassis rails.
I think 'cos I mentioned MX5s before (they are still on the list, hopefully got some to go see at the weekend).
Anyway, play nice kids!
oh aye, that'd be it!
Hell no 🙂
Surprising some Alfas are good cars. Like any car out of warranty/3yrs+ though they need money to keep them running well.they come like that from the factory.
Its the dealers that are bad...
Anyhoooo drive both OP. I loved the steering wheel in my lap/driving feel of the MX5 8)
Surprising some Alfas are good cars. Like any car out of warranty/3yrs+ though they need money to keep them running well.Its the dealers that are bad...
Are you actually out of your tiny mind? Alfa's are terrible for reliability! For every post on Pistonheads about some fanatical owner who bought a 156 twinspark and has never had any issues, there'll be 50 people who've had one with major electrical gremlins, build quality issues, gearbox issues and so on. I'm not surprised dealers are rubbish, they're probably boardline going under. I had a 156 JTD as a company car as did a mate. My mate loved his but the gearbox was a proper issue. I hated mine, it was forever at the dealers with stupid electrical faults and eventually did an oil pump. A friend now has a Mito that has engine management problems and has had both shocks replaced (under warrenty). The car is on a 12 plate and has done less than 15k miles.
You're (the OP) buying an £800 car FFS! First question, is it MOT'd? Second, has it got rent on it? Third - does it run ok (not get hot, start ok from cold, does it idle ok). When you drive it, does it pull to one side, any vibrations under braking and so on. Who cares about milage or number of owners if the above is true? A car that you intend to hold on to, then yes, service history and number of owners matters. If you're going to run it until it breaks then its all a bit irrelevent.
you do need to drive both if they're on the list. They are so different though that one of them will be off the list as soon as you drive the other.
MX-5s feel fast, then you look at the speedo and realise you've not even cracked the limit. Clios can really 'make progress' when you let it rev.
Never mind the fact that you can get your biking kit in one of them (without using the passenger seat), and the other is a 2-seat drop-top
Aye I agree Flange (re the buying a cheap car, I've no experience of Alfas!), was more curious about what folk think of the Clio. Been as it's gonna be an everyday motor, I'm thinking upping the budget a bit might be a better investment.
*edit* And yup, I realise they're VERY different cars, my criteria is... odd, I guess. Basically, I want something fun that I can live with every day. Biking kit isn't really too much of an issue, we've got another car for that - I'll probably never do track days, but I like to have a bit of fun driving on the road.
but I like to have a bit of fun driving on the road
got to be the MX-5 then, anything else is against the STW rules of slowness.
I've got another car for biking too, but every-so-often the road to the trails is a bit tempting..........
Depends what you mean by upping your budget really - its all a bit of a gamble. Spending £1500 on a 'better' Clio might mean you're buying a nicer car, or you're buying one thats £700 over priced.
Drive one and see what you think. I thought mine was a cheap car that was a laugh to drive. If I was doing 30+ miles to work each way then I'd probably get something else. It was also very 'french' in its build quality and sometimes I didn't want to rev the knackers off it to get somewhere, at which point it was a bit of a chore. For £800 you're not going to worry about chucking a mucky bike in the back of it either.
One more thought - I used to use my car every day and would have been buggered without it. Hence I had a derv BMW that was pretty dull but never failed me. I get the train now and ride to the station so a car for me is a nice to have. Therefore I've got a V8 petrol thing that if it breaks, I can still get to work so it doesn't matter.
Depends what your priorities are I suppose...
Sadly car or bike is the only way to get to work, and whilst the 40 mile round trip is nice once in a while, I'm not fit enough (and too stinky without a shower) to do it every day. Well, if I want to be productive at work, anyway. So something reasonably sensible is important. That said, *most* of the time I'll be able to drive the Yaris to work and drop the Mrs off, just sometimes she'll need a car during the day so I'll need to drive myself. So it doesn't need to be too sensible.
Buying a cheap second hand car (or indeed any second hand car. Or car, let's be honest) is ALWAYS a gamble. Part of the fun innit 😀
I suppose i can add a bit more to this thread, not only have I had a 172 Cup, but a 182 Trophy, and an MX5.
The MX5 is slower, girlier, as rusty, leaky, but much more fun, and far better built.
Spend 1500 quid, get a 1.8 with an LSD and drive the nuts off it, then sell it for what you bought it for.
Post Pics!
Ok heres another- I had a 1999 Puma Yahama 1.7 back in 2011 for a year for £900. It had full main dealer history and the liners were good as it loved to be revved and driven. You could get a bike inside and it looked abit different. Like the MX5 it aint as fast as a Clio but boy its fun.
Drive a MX5 though. Then drive a Clio.
Looked at Pumas, I'm not averse to them but in the end I decided that I want something *completely* different to the Yaris, and that I really wanted rear wheel drive.
Not sure where I got the Clio idea from, probably because I saw one cheap and I get easily distracted by shiny things.
How about a MR2? Slightly quicker feeling than the MX5 but I've no idea how you'd get a bike on it.
Not too keen on the MR2, the mid engine apparently makes it a pain to work on and there's the square root of bugger all luggage space (I know there's not loads in an MX, but there is a bit).
Off to look at what looks to be a nice one at the weekend, but now super paranoid about chassis rail issues.
Anything of that age and price will probably have some rot on it. Mk1 MR2's will be riddled with it, similarly to an MX5.
Nothing wrong with cheap. You'll be more willing to drive a £800 car harder than a £2500 one, less to lose. Equally, if its something you intend to keep, you'll have to replace all those regular bits anyway, may as well have it done to your choice. My cheap old Octavia has had most of its front end polybushed by the previous owner and feels a lot better than newer, lower mileage cars - little things like this can make quite a difference.
Nearly bought a 172/182 as a stop gap after our MX5 got punted down the motorway by a van. But as a stop gap hot a Corsa as less to go wrong and easier to sell on as there is a big demand from new drivers for them. Lost no money on it.
172/182 is one of the few French cars I'd buy, but we had other long term replacement plans (944).
I had a full fat Clio 172 & loved it.
Fab handling & brakes (especially after I fitted Eibach Pro springs).
It had loads of grunt low down & revved hard too. Went like stink.
I never had any electrical or mechanical issues with it in four years of ownership other than the common airbag warning light issue which was a cheap fix.
It's a big engine in a little bay so labour fees add up with any work as the front often needs to be removed so its often worth getting jobs done at the same time ie aux belt & water pump.
Alittle leftfield, how about a Impreza Sportswagon WRX?......
I'd quite like an Impreza, though I think I'd probably end up in a ditch (to be fair, I would with a Clio too) but any in budget seem to be getting to the age and mileage where they're likely to be going horribly and expensively wrong.
The appeal of the MX and the Clio (and the Puma is on the list too) is that they're pretty simple if something does go wrong.
Some people struggle because they automatically lift off when a AWD slides....
You can put any car into a ditch- its speed/aggressive steering input etc combined that put you there.
@titusrider- how does a magazine editor afford all that?
Any thoughts on MG TF 160? Seen a decent one locally, 58k, headgasket and all belts done (I believe the headgasket was a problem on K series engines)
had a tf 160 for a few years from new. Cost a fortune and sold it 5 years later for 2800!! gutted i did as i spent thousands on it as well.
rubbish as anything other than a fun car. you need to press on with them though else it doesnt work. I would have another but loosing all that brass always makes me shy away now.
Is it the 1.8? I thought it was the 1.8K series that had the HG issue?
I don't see a problem with that car- EVEN with the HG issue, I'm sure they brought out a redesigned HG template? Also- EVEN if it did go again, theres alot of garages well-versed in changing them bringing the price right down.
As transport it aint a bad car.
Yup the TF 160 is still a 1.8, but the one I'm looking at has had the HG done recently anyway, looks quite tempting. Gonna see if I can get a test drive I think.
If i was spending £800 on a car i would look at a Toyota Celica,
I've looked at some Celicas actually, kinda decided to up the budget to 1.5-2k now. New kitchen can wait 😀
TBH it depends on what you need from a car. For me, key was tip-trips, carrying bikes, camping gear and a 4yr old and a car ASAP that was cheap and could easily sell on (as it was a stop-gap)- I got a 07 Xsara Picasso for 1,500. It took me to Belgium/France and back and tbh apart from being absolutely butt-ugly I struggled to fault it.
If I was spending 2k again I'd look at the older Subaru Foresters
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No kids and we have a Yaris for when we need to transport stuff (it's amazing what you can fit in that thing) so it's a second car really - commuting on nice days and when MrsMonkey needs to drive to work. If we can cram enough stuff in for a roadtrip to Europe then all the better...
Fun to drive is the main thing; fast isn't that important or I'd buy an old BMW.
I did look at 206 GTis, I'm just not keen on them... But that is silly cheap.
2k gets you a (good) mk1 TT. If you get the right car, thats a bargain.
I looked at TTs as well actually, but I've not had the best experience of 1.8T engines (I killed one in a Passat) and the Quattro is a lot to go wrong as well. Lovely cars though, an ex MrsMonkey used to have one.
No kids and we have a Yaris for when we need to transport stuff (it's amazing what you can fit in that thing) so it's a second car really - commuting on nice days and when MrsMonkey needs to drive to work. If we can cram enough stuff in for a roadtrip to Europe then all the better...
TBH I'd focus entirely on one car then as a full element to counter/compliment the Yaris in the household- the MX5. Be prepared to travel, both drive up in the Yaris. Aim for a 04/<60k MX5 and go and see it on the rainest/horrible day possible and suck your teeth and wipe the water off the hood as you look concerned...
If you didn't have the Yaris I'd say go look at at MG but you don't need any practicality- saying that the MX5 has a decent boot and a Saris Bones easily sits on the boot for bikes...
I'd have thought the TF would be even less practical than the MX5 if anything, it's got the engine in the middle!
My A3 1.8t has the same engine. Good engine, chain driven (so no timing/cam belt), but need to have regular services. So a good history would be ideal. I have had no issues, and local servicing is cheap. No experience with a quattro tho, mine is regular fwd. i think the mk1 TT is a future classic.
Another to consider is the BMW 3 series compact. My neighbour has an 02 reg one, mint condition. Not sure what engine but he loves it.
😯 for some reason I had that hatch Rover/MG in my head before - oops 🙂
k series gets a bad rep.
if you accept that the HG is a consumable and changed them as you would a cambelt they are a damned good engine.
easy to work on and a hoot in the right car - and with a mechanically sympathetic driver - warming up and cooling down not redlining from the start and just turning the key off after a good thrashing.
my mates lotus is a scream - only issue with working on it is storing the clamshell without damaging it - and if you dont take it off access is helish.
Found a screwdriver from the factory in the clamshell foam the first time it came off.
another mate had a TF160 -it was a poor mans lotus , also great fun but no where as sure footed- but given the lotus was circa 12k and the tf160 was circa 1.2k....its close enough for me. - in the really bad winter a few years ago he got caught out nursing a HG failure - he had topped up the water too often and diluted the Antifreeze - the pipes that run from the rad at the front to the engine at the rear had frozen he isnt exactly sympathetic - cooked engine.
"2k gets you a (good) mk1 TT. If you get the right car, thats a bargain."
as long as you are prepared to walk away from that 2k should anything go wrong - 2k doesnt get you alot of PARTS - never mind labour for a mk1 TT
I'm morally against any BMW with less than 6 cylinders (except maybe the E30 M3 which I *think* was a 4) and it's the same potential issues as the TT mentioned above - maybe cheap to buy, but a good chance of ending up silly expensive.
The TF160 I've seen has just had the HG done, by the time it needs doing again (I guess about 30-40k?) I'll probably need something big and sensible anyway.
"The TF160 I've seen has just had the HG done"
thing is - who did it . how did they do it , and why was it done
was it done because it had failed and cooked the block . was it skimmed or has it been thrown back together with anew gasket to disguise the fact its ****ed.
was it done because it was starting to burn a little oil/use a little water
or was it done as a precautionary measure.
if it was me with a tf160 i was selling and id paid for it to be done proper id have it all documented in reciepts...
no reciept no buying- a new HG on a (not horrendously)warped head will hold good enough to sell... .3 months time - yay another HG.
Good advice - reckon I'll go have a look, but with that in mind.
Pfft, MX5 not practical?
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What about a wedge shape Honda Type R?
The Wife has one and scares the bejesus out of me regularly.
Its pretty economical, handles well and is plenty quick enough. Not bad boot space with the seats folded either.
My 1.8T Vrs was a 20v belt driven engine. No chain driven camshafts on that engine. Needs the belt and water pump changing every 60k or 4yrs really. Have they changed the 1.8T?