Andrew Tate

Hopefully he'll go down - still seems to be all over Social Media though.

vile man and it looks like he is getting his comeuppance

still seems to be all over Social Media though.

TBH if it wasn't for this Social Media platform I'd have never heard of him.

I've not followed the fiasco in any great detail but he seems to be a wrong 'un of the highest order.

I'd place him in the same catagory as heroin dealers, and I've been given a mandatory holiday from this forum recently for voicing my opinions on that, so I shall say no more about this.

TBH if it wasn’t for this Social Media platform I’d have never heard of him

Me neither but I don’t think you and me are his target audience!!

He is a truely vile individual whom, if he is guilty, I hope rots in a Romanian cell for an awful long time

YouTube still tries to get me to watch his videos despite selecting 'Do not recommend channel' everytime anything to do with him or his scumbag brother pops up on my feed.

The algorithm will not be told.

I know it shouldn't really surprise me any more, but its quite staggering how much money there is to be made by just by being. a **** online

Hopefully all those hundreds of millions of pounds will be seized and put to work repairing some of the damage he's done

I watch YouTube in preference to TV and have never had that suggestion. Maybe if he was doing videos of UK motorways ...

I watch YouTube in preference to TV and have never had that suggestion. Maybe if he was doing videos of UK motorways …

It can be quite subtle.  If you see a bald **** and the title has anything to do with 'escaping the matrix' then for the love of god don't click on it.

YT will peg you as an angry incel and it'll be nothing but Joe Rogan for you from now on.

There are lots of other sub channels just putting out copy's of his bullshit mainly on YouTube shorts as it good for clicks. im amazed by his followers especially young teens. I'd genuinely thought we had moved on as a society but then I saw a video today of yanks doing Nazi salutes openly in the street.

Disappointed, I had hoped this was a report of his demise.

I've never actually seen any of his stuff, but I just put his name into Twitter

Dear god... thats a whole world of completely unhinged right-wing conspiracy theories, isn't it?

The algorithm will not be told.

Problem is that he has hundreds of channels, and lots of his followers have channels, and IIRC part of the Hustlers University stuff is how to monetise these videos and label them/game the algorithms so they do get pushed in places you wouldn't expect.

Which ironically, is also likely to happen the the delightful Mr Tate.

and it’ll be nothing but Joe Rogan for you from now on

I find Rogan’s pod cast quite interesting. I don’t agree with him on much but it’s at least entertaining

first time I came across the tates was when a you tube short popped up of his brother coming out with some misogynistic crap. Didn’t realise he was some big influencer

but its quite staggering how much money there is to be made by just by being. a **** online

im staggered by just how much YouTubers can make in general, not just by being an arse. I watch a couple of channels about cars, all these guys appear to own multiple Ferraris. Does YouTube pay that well? I have a mate who has a channel with over half a million subscribers and she’s not rolling around in cash by any means

I think that people like Andrew Tate, and other more respectably-faced charlatans like Jordan Peterson, are just extremely astute at monetising what they do.

I suppose it helps when you've an eager audience of embittered morons to exploit, who are looking for easy ways to blame others for their own failings and tell them that nothing is their fault. Thats obviously something people are willing to shell out large amounts of cash for

EDIT: I've just had a quick google and Tate was making £10 million a year off advertising on Twitter alone!! 😳

Does YouTube pay that well?

I don't think so, you have to monetise your "fame" in other ways, selling to the gullible. The tates sell false hope to incels in some sort of pryramid marketting scam. The tates "allegedly" were running an online sex business with trafficked modern day slaves, also their were rumours of even that dodgey business being used to launder drug money.

Also a lot of the apprarant wealth of influencers is fake, they tend to hire fererris to be pictured in, get pictures in private jets that are not flying ect to create a false image of sucsess so they can sell false methods of sucess to dreamers.

I _think_ that one of the shortlist for the Paul Foot award this year was someone that wrote about him and it is shocking that it took him moving to Romania before he could get arrested. Apparently quite serious allegations in the UK, but two forces declined to charge him.

im staggered by just how much YouTubers can make in general, not just by being an arse. I watch a couple of channels about cars, all these guys appear to own multiple Ferraris. Does YouTube pay that well? I have a mate who has a channel with over half a million subscribers and she’s not rolling around in cash by any means

It depends on what the channel is about, cars are lucrative because people click on the ads and buy stuff. The Ferraris, Maclaren's, Mercs they 'own', are all financed through the channel owners' company, so they aren't personally owned by them, they just pay the interest on the loan, they might have 20 cars all financed through the company. They then make ad revenue, direct sponsorships (Squarespace, NordVPN, etc.), merchandise, Patreon tiered memberships....

The most lucrative channels are all the personal wealth generation ones or finance ones, cars are right up there in ad revenue. Other more niche subjects will survive because of people become paterons and funding them that way.

MTB channels don't really survive on ad revenue unless they are really big (Berm Peak / Seths bike hacks). McTrail rider put up an interesting video recently explaining it all for him.

I have  a mate who's a teacher at a secondary school and who has had to deal with 12-16 year olds coming in having been 'red-pilled' by Mr Tate and his ilk.

They tend to get very angry when they realise that acting and talking like him won't fly outside of whatever  fetid corner of the Internet told them it was the way to be 'successful'

His whole story is a rather depressing papable of our age.

Some friends of mines sons 19/20 are Tate believers - and then complained why they never met any interesting women.  They had to be told that they never will while they follow toxic masculinity as any thinking woman will see thru it and run a mile.

My daughter and her friends now vet boys that they're keen on dating. Any sniff of Tate-a-like or Tate adjacent activity on the socials is a big 'ole red flag.

They had to be told that they never will while they follow toxic masculinity as any thinking woman will see thru it and run a mile.

Its quite depressing that they needed that pointing out.

Mind you, I actually find Jordon Peterson even more concerning than Andrew Tate, as he lends all this uber-masculinity bollocks an air of legitimacy with his cod-psychology-for-half-wits.

I wish someone would arrest that ****! He's also making a packet out of it, preaching his hateful misogyny to an audience of pathetic INCEL inadequates. These people are really, really dangerous.

im amazed by his followers especially young teens. I’d genuinely thought we had moved on as a society

I'm amazed and disappointed as well - I know my kids aren't his target audience, but I'd assumed most teenagers these days had more awareness and basic decency.

Daughter says a couple of lads in her year (Year 11) were into Tate. I'm pretty sure that if they were spouting his sort of shite she'd break their legs.

Mind you, I actually find Jordon Peterson even more concerning than Andrew Tate, as he lends all this uber-masculinity bollocks an air of legitimacy with his cod-psychology-for-half-wits.

Peterson is an insidious tosspiece - he knows exactly what he's saying and doesn't believe half of it.

It's not just the 'incel' types who are falling for it. I know plenty of middle-aged, centre-right, married with kids blokes who are suckered in by his bollocks. He's a pseudo-expert

EDIT: I’ve just had a quick google and Tate was making £10 million a year off advertising on Twitter alone!

Go to Twitter in a private browser, where you aren’t identified, and you can see what “tweets you might like” pop up for a new visitor… Tate is often there in the top few, with Musk and few other attention grabbing ****wits.

It’s not just the ‘incel’ types who are falling for it. I know plenty of middle-aged, centre-right, married with kids blokes who are suckered in by his bollocks. He’s a pseudo-expert

A chap I know started spouting his nonsense.  6 months later divorced.  Dunno which was first but as soon as the bollox started appearing I was not surprised he ended up divorced.

These guys know how to push the right buttons on inadequate ill educated unsatisfied men

Never heard of the guy until this thread. What a sheltered life I lead eh. Just not wedded to the worst parts of social media where the silliest dickheads lurk, apart from here of course!

Andrew Tate charged with rape and human trafficking

- 6m 40s in = Andrew Tate saying rapists should face the death penalty. Textbook example of "the lady(abuser (allegedly)) doth protest too much, methinks".

Just tried the twitter thing again... nothing but cats and dogs! Perhaps they've tweaked it today, for obvious reasons.

Just not wedded to the worst parts of social media where the silliest dickheads lurk, apart from here of course!

This dickhead was totally mainstream on social media. Anyone between 14 and 40 would probably have come across him. Facebook/Meta/Insta stepped in and removed him, which helped reduce his reach. Twitter should have done the same, 7 million followers or not.

Facebook/Meta/Insta stepped in and removed him, which helped reduce his reach. Twitter

Yup none of that shit.

Wise.

I DO all that shit and still hadn't heard of him outside STW.

Also a lot of the apprarant wealth of influencers is fake, they tend to hire fererris to be pictured in, get pictures in private jets that are not flying ect to create a false image of sucsess so they can sell false methods of sucess to dreamers.

Fake it till you make it.

He’s been very clever with his hustlers university and using its members to explode his social media exposure.

Back in the day the saddos had a sore wrist and not a fancy incel label to all sit around and mope about with in the chat room with fellow suffers about how they are being unfairly treated.

He’s tapped into a specific market.

I’d not heard of him until Greta Thunberg replied to his tweet and made him look like an arse. Watched the BBC interview out of curiosity and can’t believe anybody would view him as a role model. Just came across as a creepy, petulant man child. The world confuses me more and more tbh.

He taps into the dissatisfied young white men.  He knows how to push their buttons.

Not just young white men, also darker skinned young Muslim men, for example.

Andrew Tate himself is mixed race, not white

Just came across as a creepy, petulant man child

Quite a few of those types have ended up doing ok for themselves of late

I can see him fleeing to Russia where he'll meet like minded people.
Few months later he'll get a soldier's uniform.

Fair enough Ernie.

I DO all that shit and still hadn’t heard of him outside STW.

Same, though I'm not sure the agorithm could make that jump from Linus Tech Tips and Donut.

As a dad of 3 young boys and a daughter

I'm very worried about the kind of influence these influencer shitehawks have

I’ve been aware of the toxic parasite for some time, via multiple news sources coming through my Flipboard feeds. Because of his past as a cage fighter, and his macho posturing, he very much appeals to the kids who are losers, who get picked on by the jocks who are good at sports, are good looking, and who get the best looking girls, who in turn laugh at the losers. Who then develop a mindset that the Tates of this world are very, very good at manipulating, and making large amounts of money from.
I’d hope Tate and his vile associates end up incarcerated in an oubliette, and forgotten by the rest of the world.

Weird thing is my pals 20 yr old is not a loser at all.  He is good looking, tall, sporty and popular,  still got sucked in

How times have changed. When I was a sporty kid my hero was John Noakes.

The Tates seem to be wholly loathsome. I hope that justice is served and if they're found guilty they are duly punished.

When a friend questioned a couple of pupils in school about why they considered Tate to be a role model it escalated into his family having to move into a safe house and have police protection due to the threats that he received from Tate's followers.

Having seen Tate's influence first hand I am hopeful that the Romanian authorities do a very thorough job indeed.

As a dad of 3 young boys and a daughter

I’m very worried about the kind of influence these influencer shitehawks have

I agree, but the only way that's solved is for the political will to regulate the internet to be found

Not easy

https://twitter.com/sirDukeDevin/status/1709895433852498366

https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-tate-romanian-court-rules-trial-of-influencer-accused-of-human-trafficking-can-go-ahead-13123383

"In March, a Romanian court approved a request from Britain to extradite the Tate brothers on allegations of sexual aggression dating back to 2012-15, but only after the completion of Romanian trial proceedings."

I did not know this. They've got themselves in quite a pickle.

Yeah, I saw that a while back but wasn't entirely sure of the implications. I mean to say, did it imply they will do time over here if found guilty, instead of in Romania? I've no idea.

Presumably they are two separate cases - one for alledged crimes in Romania and another one for alledged crimes in the UK.

If found guilty in both countries I would expect them to be punished in both countries.

At least they might have something to look forward to when languishing in a Romanian prison - a possible upgrade care of HMP

Tate has pretty much come out as gay, allegedly, by saying having sex with a woman for any reason other than for producing children is gay.

If this is actually true, then there’s only one conclusion to be drawn.

To be fair, that is kinda the logical conclusion if you extrapolate a misogynist world view to its logical end point.

At least it'll help him enjoy prison a bit more I suppose.

I saw those Tate tweets, I can't decide if he's trolling or just really really stupid

I saw those Tate tweets, I can’t decide if he’s trolling or just really really stupid

They're not mutually exclusive.

He's going to be a popular chap in prison

(all IMO so feel free to correct me on any of this!) For me, schools etc seem to be fighting the battle against Tate types using the wrong method.

Instead of just stating that Tate is wrong (which he is) about his treatment of women etc, which I'm assuming gets overshadowed by teenage boys seeing his mansions, fast cars and model "girlfriends", there should be more emphasis on the courses/memberships he sells, all of which promise "Get Rich quick" using the same old outdated methods.

I think Coffeezilla did a piece on him which showed that the only way you make money from his courses is by promoting the courses themselves and earning commission. (hence all the spam on social media).

If young people can be educated that the only way Tate is really making money is at the expense of his followers, that his courses are all scams (pay high profile Youtubers to honestly review them) and that the controversial statements he makes are just to gain attention and scam more followers then this will surely have a greater effect than a "Don't be like him, ignore his houses/cars, he's not nice" approach?

It's basically just a pyramid scheme unless I'm missing something?

It’s basically just a pyramid scheme unless I’m missing something?

Dont think it technically is since it just has a single layer of paying commissions rather than each subordinate continually getting a cut of their subordinates and their subordinates payments.

Its the classic get rich quick course which has one lesson "publish an ad for your course and send this to anyone who responds".

Tate has pretty much come out as gay, allegedly, by saying having sex with a woman for any reason other than for producing children is gay.

Sex for procreation only is a key plot driver of Margaret Atwood's the Handmaid's Tale. It's also a view of parts of the pro-life agenda.

So whilst it is stupid, Tate is far from the only one to manage to reconcile (or miss) the contradiction, unfortunately.

So the right response to toxic masculinity and sexual predation is...rape jokes? Okay...

The stupid genomic proclamations about being a hungry tiger etc are a sales technique. It attracts attention. 1% of those attracted will click through to his self-help packages. That's still 100 times more people that would click through if he were saying "buy my self-help package". Whether he is clever enough to know how stupid the things he says are is a mystery.

Yeah someone said it before me but I always think it's a bit chilling that any conversation about incarceration goes hand in hand with jokes about violent, man-on-man rape.

And I'm not even an STW pearl clutcher.

Not directly related to Tate but the BBC have an excellent programme called "How to save an incel". Really interesting and compassionate, it looks at the self loathing of some young men, how that leads them to incel forums and how some have managed to make it out through there own self help groups.

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2024/18/how-to-save-an-incel

Yeah someone said it before me but I always think it’s a bit chilling that any conversation about incarceration goes hand in hand with jokes about violent, man-on-man rape.

Jokes about “man-on-man rape” are different from situational sexuality that often occurs in incarcerated populations.

It is interesting and somewhat ironic that sex for procreation rather than enjoyment is highly improbable for incarcerated males in a male prisons.

Tate has pretty much come out as gay,

Interesting, that is unlikely to impress his huge Muslim fan base, I would have thought.

And I can't imagine Tate saying anything in public without considering the personal financial consequences of his comments.

I’d almost forgotten that he existed. Has his ability to post and create content been reduced massively in light of his current circumstances? If he’s guilty I hope they throw the book at him. He comes across like an absolute arse and despicable human being from what I’ve seen of him.

Just seen him referred to as Eunuch Powell in relation to a swimwear picture.

(I’m in no place to body shame, but **** him)

Apparently the right wing headbangers now think he's trans.

It's all toxic and horrid but...  as said before, sod him. This is squarely into 'leopards eating faces' territory.

Hoist by his own petard.

I couldn't care less.

I often wonder what the families of any perpetrators think following despicable offences. Bringing your child up then seeing them become a monster as an adult.

Do you think his mum sits of an evening and wonders how she managed to raise some misogynistic ****nuggets?

I have made two attempts to watch that ^^ but I can't handle more than about 30 seconds. Can anyone sum up what he is announcing/saying or provide a link to an article so I don't have to listen to him? I can't find any.

Summary

Has he met with an 'unfortunate accident'?

If not, I've no desire to look into this further.

The Poke is right, that's a very VERY cheap grift for the terminally thick, about on par with getting an email from a Prince about some inheritance owed to you.

But, it'll probably work enough to make it worthwhile for him.

about on par with getting an email from a Prince about some inheritance owed to you.

That's where I am on it as well.  It is deliberately bad in order to be posted up everywhere as a joke but we are not the intended audience.  Was there not a thing with an american optician years ago that would abuse people in online reviews in order that people would link to the reviews and so he would get a lot of traffic and it worked enough that Google changed their algorithm to handle that case.  I wonder if the same will work here

Words fail me. I  thought it was an AI generated paraody at first.

Pro viewing tip: watch at double speed.

What an absolute prick.

Pro viewing tip: don’t.

I mean, he can't even spell the name of the country he wants to lead