Troubled.
Andor is supposed to be set at the very beginning of the Rebellion, and yet at the very end...well I won't spoil it. So we're now to assume that all the events of the rebellion that is depicted in Ep4 - that it is in fact rather than a desperate group of rag-tag individuals, but an army with a command structure, weaponry, and all that goes along with that happen in between the ending of Andor and Ep4?
I think I'm complaining that yet again the need to supply nerds with easter eggs - in this case the things that they're building in prison are linked to something else...Really I don't care about what they're were building, it's unimportant. The constant urge that the makers of these series feel that they must signal to a group of nerds living in the parents basements really really gets in the way of telling decent stories.
It feels like the one bit of Star Wars that’s properly grown up. Best thing that’s come out of the Star Wars universe since the original trilogy for me.
Troubled.
Andor is supposed to be set at the very beginning of the Rebellion, and yet at the very end…well I won’t spoil it. So we’re now to assume that all the events of the rebellion that is depicted in Ep4 – that it is in fact rather than a desperate group of rag-tag individuals, but an army with a command structure, weaponry, and all that goes along with that happen in between the ending of Andor and Ep4?
Andor is meant to be set 5 years out from Rogue One / Episode 4, so I see this as either a flash forward so that we understand what the parts in the prison were being used for, ultimately the thing that kills Andor. Or that it is just an external shell at this point and needs a number of years for it's internal fit out.
Really enjoyed this series.
Meh, just pretend you didn't see the silly Marvel easter egg bit.
The episode was a fine end to an awesome series.
But was it just me that wondered how he found and got to Stellan Skarsgard's ship?
He parked it in the same place as the time he picked andor up from ferrix. When andor saw him there he knew where to go to his ship.
Really great series, enjoyed it hugely.
That was bloody brilliant. I purposefully avoided opening this discussion as we were late into it then binge-watched up to ep8, then had to wait and watch the last few week by week. Best series of the lot so far.
Need to go back and read this discussion now...
Cracking end to the series. Can't wait for the next.
Slow start, but was more me not really getting what it was all about until about half way through....I'd completely forgotten Andor was in Rogue one!! All suddenly made sense once I realized and I realized what they were making as well. Don't think we really needed the Easter egg at the end.
Just caught up with the last episode, fantastic overall a great series I thought. Hints at enough grown up stuff to keep adults in and still let kids watch...
Very good.
Intriguing ending.
Troubled.
Andor is supposed to be set at the very beginning of the Rebellion, and yet at the very end…well I won’t spoil it. So we’re now to assume that all the events of the rebellion that is depicted in Ep4 – that it is in fact rather than a desperate group of rag-tag individuals, but an army with a command structure, weaponry, and all that goes along with that happen in between the ending of Andor and Ep4?
Testing and commisioning, space trials, crew training, platform integration, human/alien factors assessments. Bet its an arsehole of a job getting a star destroyer into active sevice, nevermind a death star
Intriguing ending.
I was a bit befuddled by the ending, to be honest. Was wondering if there was 5 minutes they'd forgotten to edit in.
The Empire was there all along building stuff - storm troopers were about. The local enforcing lot probably joined/got zapped. All along there was some serious kit already there - the tractor beam ship ?
Loved it.
Early on in the season it was announced that the private local enforcing lot on Ferrix were to be replaced by direct control by the Empire, with forces on the ground.
I enjoyed it, much better than the other spin-offs.
Just finished it off. That was awesome. First series of Mandalorian was good but this was better. Nice and dark.
Echo a lot of the other comments - head and shoulders above the other Star Was spin off series that have come before. Enjoyed every minute of them to the point where I'm tempted to go back and watch them again...
Best series to go with the best movie (Rogue one, if not obvious). You could tell it was the same writer behind it too. Really enjoyed that, almost made up for the steaming turd that was Obi Wan
Troubled.
Andor is supposed to be set at the very beginning of the Rebellion, and yet at the very end…well I won’t spoil it. So we’re now to assume that all the events of the rebellion that is depicted in Ep4 – that it is in fact rather than a desperate group of rag-tag individuals, but an army with a command structure, weaponry, and all that goes along with that happen in between the ending of Andor and Ep4?
Meh, one out of context Easter egg doesn't really take the shine off the series IMO.
I think the thing I most like about the series is already knowing how and when Andor's life is going to end, where Mon Mothma finishes up etc, is the 'gap filling' for how they got there. Which is probably 'fan-service' but whatever, those gaps are one of the few bits left in that particular fictional universe where a bit of creative story telling can still happen, JJ pissed all over the later timeline, and George went and made the prequels...
What a fantastic series. It felt really nicely paced and not trying to fit X number of car chases or Y number of big explosions in per every 10 minutes. As above, I'm a tad confused as to how he found Axis and his ship at the end, perhaps the only part that seemed a bit rushed.
Overall, though, one of the best series I've watched. I don't normally make it past episode 2 of anything.
It's taken me a while to catch up but i really enjoyed that.
Very well written and acted. The character and world building was superb. Also, it looked amazing, set and costumes were movie level. I felt that Book Of Boba and Obi Wan looked pretty cheap and 'flimsy' ( thought they were ok, wouldn't watch again). This had a solid, lived in feel.
Loved all the stuff with the ISB, the gleaming white interiors and bureacracy. I felt this really expanded on what the Empire was.
And the prison break build up and finale was great. Andy Serkis is a terrific actor when he's not hidden by cgi...
The only negative was the lack of Saw Gerrera, more Forest Whitaker please. I'm assuming / hoping he'll have a live action spin off...?
I liked what we saw of Saw. It's cool that he's a lot less mangled than he is in Rogue One, I liked the implication of the battles to come. I was however slightly troubled by the x-wings he had parked out the front of the cave. If they are already in use at this time why don't we see others here and there?
We liked it. My wife has sat through Obi Wan and Boba Fett while I couldn't be bothered with either after a couple of episodes. But I really liked Andor (more than she did). Definitely more gritty/realistic than some of the other spin offs. Loved the prison break. And definitely a good empire back story.
I was however slightly troubled by the x-wings he had parked out the front of the cave. If they are already in use at this time why don’t we see others here and there?
Maybe they were prototype or first generation? I can see someone as badass as Saw Gerrera wanting some fast attack ships : )
I think what I like is that it's more like a cold war thriller or WW2 spy drama but set in the SW universe. Playing out all the little ways in which those that will ultimately organise the rebellion have to compromise their own ethics and make decisions that sacrifice lives and/or bait the Empire into becoming more repressive just to help push more people towards the rebellion...
By the time we get to Ep4 the likes of Luke/Han/Leia sort of get to operate in a less morally 'grey' version of the rebellion with much clearer "Goodies" and "Baddies". That moral ambiguity was touched on in 'Rogue One' especially with Andor, you learn from the outset that he's capable of doing quite hands-on shitty things for the greater good. This series is doing a good job already of showing how he gets to become that person, along with developing the back story of a few other characters.
I was however slightly troubled by the x-wings he had parked out the front of the cave. If they are already in use at this time why don’t we see others here and there
As mentioned before this is set approx. ~5BBY(ish?) so you have to assume at least some of the slightly banged up, grubby looking X-wings you eventually see zipping around the Death Star are already in service at this point. The same sort of Tie Fighters we see in Ep4 already exist, and Saw and his buddies are kind of in hiding too at this point, building forces and kit up, the rebellion is a disparate bunch of cells still and they don't want to go giving the Empire too much of a clue about the X-wings or any other kit/capabilities they might have just yet, so you won't get lots of 'X-wing Vs Tie' Dog fighting. I think it still fits in with the continuity...
I will say however I would like it to run for no more than two seasons (of 12 episodes), there's always a danger with these things that they milk it for five+ seasons because it's popular and they're desperate to generate SW content, in doing so Disney could well ruin Andor.
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Good post.
Yep, 1970s cold war/paranoid thriller vibe was the predominant theme. And the production design definitely referenced that era of filmmaking.
I can't see them doing more than one more series, maybe two at a push if filmed concurrently, not least because of the calibre of talent involved. And I totally agree, less is more. If only JJ had got that memo.
As mentioned before this is set approx. ~5BBY(ish?) so you have to assume at least some of the slightly banged up, grubby looking X-wings you eventually see zipping around the Death Star are already in service at this point.
Sure, but who is building these things? The Mon Mothma plot is all about her secretly pulling together money to fund the rebellion, so you'd assume the rebel supply chain hasn't got it together yet to build all the capital stock you see in ANH. So if there's x-wings contemporaneous with Andor that would suggest they are pre-existing designs but you don't see them anywhere else at all.
That's the only bit that jarred for me. Though I appreciate I am probably overthinking it!
I do like the idea of Saw as the progenitor of the x-wing program though...
I can’t see them doing more than one more series, maybe two at a push if filmed concurrently
series 2 is filming now
I will say however I would like it to run for no more than two seasons (of 12 episodes), there’s always a danger with these things that they milk it for five+ seasons because it’s popular and they’re desperate to generate SW content, in doing so Disney could well ruin Andor.
It's my understanding that S2 will finish at the start of Rogue One.
Sure, but who is building these things?
Apparently the empire chose Tie fighters over X wings as they were cheaper to build.
So basically X wings were the losers in a military design competition, so yes an existing design and developed from the older z95 model.
no, the designs are distinct so children wouldn't get confused telling the goodies from the baddies. Everything else is just waffle made up by nerds 😉Apparently the empire chose Tie fighters over X wings as they were cheaper to build.
see above 😃So basically X wings were the losers in a military design competition <SNIP>
very, very much so 😂Though I appreciate I am probably overthinking it!
A toy of the ARC-170, another predecessor of the x-wing…
Yes, it’s all childish nonsense, but the idea that tech is designed, repurposed, evolved, improved, built, and destroyed… all adds to the world building. In this case it reminds us that the Rebels were always on the back foot with their weapons, working with an update of older inferior tech, and less of it. Like the Death Star building link in this series… and other series… adds to the scale of the thing, and the “cost” of it.
Give over, none of that makes great, compelling TV. Andor is good [i]despite[/i] Star Wars, not because of it. Focusing on nerd-stuff rather than, you know, acting/dialogue/production/plot is why most “franchise” stuff is so mediocre, I’d argue it’s generally a negative influence as it’s generally just used as a crutch to avoid having to be original or creative. Andor would’ve been just as good as a totally original story (better, probably).
It made great use of a timeline and universe that already existed… and added to them. I mean, the whole seeds of the rebellion thing is central to all the story lines and the experiences and choices of the characters. Yes, that the characters were well developed and well played is absolutely key to why the series worked (but also why some people found it slow at times), but that’s all built on existing Star Wars story telling. It definitely adds to it, IMHO, more so than some of the other TV stuff.
I watched the first few .. I like it.. it's good, better than the avearage Disneyfied BS. it's an 8/10 from me.
Just finished watching the series, I really enjoyed it, the best SW series so far for me, although I really did enjoy The Mandalorian too.
Loved this
That's awesome 😀
More of an '80s vibe than 1975 though?
that Andor 75 clip is amazing, I wish that had been on Saturday morning TV when I was a kid.
In a similar vein, one of the Instagram accounts I follow recently posted some AI-generated images of Tron as imagined by Jodorowsky... somebody needs to make this stuff for real!
I've avoided reading this thread as I was enjoying slowly working through the series.
I thought it was absolutely flipping brilliant! Loved it.
First thing since series 1 of Fargo that has captivated me.
Bravo!
Yep, definitely has legs.. I realy enjoyed the first series having watched it all now, sci-fi done right rather than just relying on the Star Wars IP to carry it.
I especially loved the toad people who were about to kill Andor, but i'm still slightly confused as to how they all flew off into the sunset together.
Anyway, it's a solid thumbs up from me.
Loved this
It's got that Space 1999 vibe about it.
And for STW Guitarists who want to play the disco guitar theme, here you go.
The Andor awakens or Return of the Andor
Thread res....
I'm maybe 6 episodes in and really liking it.... star wars for grown ups and all that.
But I'm thinking I should watch some of the other "lesser" series first and then come back to Andor knowing its good.
So which others should I watch? And what is your order worst to best ??
Oh and I havent seen Solo yet. So please throw that film into your series list.
Ta
Honestly most of them are cr@p. Ahsoka felt like an entire series setup for the next series. The Acolyte I watched half of the first episode (Carrie Ann Moss is in it.. oh no she's not!). Boba Fett was hopeless, Mandalorian is good for a couple of series but gets worse. Andor is the only good one really. And I say that as a big Star Wars fan.
Rogue One is obviously the 2nd best SW movie of all time. Solo is fun in a 'I'm super hungover on a rainy Saturday afternoon and this just came on the TV which is nice' kind of way. I'd watch it again.
The Obi Wan Kenobi series was poor, but there's a fan made edit which somehow manages to make an enjoyable film out of it. I'd recommend watching that rather than the series.
https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi
Ashoka is OK if you've already watched the Rebels cartoon, without that I'm not sure how much of it would make sense.
Mando is mostly great fun, Boba Fett isn't.
Acolyte was fairly "meh" until the last couple of episodes, but has now been canned.
I didn't especially enjoy Solo, but the general consensus seems to be "It's not as bad as people said it was at the time".
Agree entirely about Andor and Rogue One.
The rest is for the fan boys and girls.
So which others should I watch? And what is your order worst to best ??
Oh and I havent seen Solo yet. So please throw that film into your series list.
Got free 3 months of Disney so I've been catching up.
Andor > Mando > Ahsoka > Boba Fett, but Boba Fett really is a part of the Mando set so if you watch series 1 and 2 Mando then Boba Fett, then series 3 Mando it all makes a bit more sense.
If you are time limited just watch series 1 & 2 of Mando and Andor. The other stuff is watchable and worth a look as we all like different stuff, though.
I'd put off watching Solo because of the reviews but I thought it was ok. A fairly decent stand alone film. Perhaps a little bit heavy on the Star Wars gap filling and back story but enjoyable as a Star Wars original trilogy fan.
Currently rewatching it with my boy, just as good second time round. Hopefully the second (and final) series will be out early next year
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The Obi Wan Kenobi series was poor, but there’s a fan made edit which somehow manages to make an enjoyable film out of it. I’d recommend watching that rather than the series.https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi
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Ah Kenobi... watching a 7 year old that looks like a 4 year old and runs like a 2 year old somehow escape from a bunch of baddies. It never really recovered from there.Will give that fan edit a look though
Acolyte, despite some flaws really did get better and some of the lightsaber fights were awesome
Ahsoka you really have to have watched Rebels, in fact a lot of the animated stuff is great, but there's a lot of it!
Having younglings has given me an excuse to watch the lego star wars stuff too, some of which is very funny
Rebels is brilliant. Andor finally manages to convey the malevolence of the Empire. I liked Kenobi, it showcases what happens to Kenobi after ROTS, which was needed.
The Mandalorian is great. Ahsoka is okay so far, but I was expecting a bit more. Rosario Dawson makes a great Ahsoka, so I’m hoping for better things from S2. Agree that you should watch Rebels first.
The book of Boba Fett was rubbish. I was expecting something similar to the Boba Fett trilogy of books from the expanded universe (which are brilliant) but no, we god mods on space Vespas.
It's back, Series 2.
Fast paced it is not, but nicely filmed
Nice. The only one of the spin-offs I've found remotely watchable tbh! (Actually it's far better than that would suggest - S1 was very good telly)
Really looking forward to this.
But…it’s probably been sitting in the Disney vaults for weeks, if not months.
Theres nothing to stop Disney from airing it during each countries bank holiday, or equivalent.
something to keep the whole family occupied 👍
Watched all 3 episodes they have released. Probably should have rewatched the first series again, as I'm not a full on nerd and lost track of who was doing what with who.
No spoilers, but it sparks up in episode 3, but may not be suitable for younger viewers.
I was wondering about a re-watch of series 1 first but that's a bit of commitment. Might search out a series summary or recap. Anyone seen a good one? There's a few on YouTube
Apparently the official one is good. I read somewhere else...
First two episodes a bit dull tbh
Watched all 3 great, and the stealing of a prototype tie fighter
I rewatched the first series last month. Actually I enjoyed it much more the second time around! Enjoying series 2 so far.
But…it’s probably been sitting in the Disney vaults for weeks, if not months.
Oddly stuff like this they are probably working on almost up until the very end. Obvs the filming would be done a long time ago in places made to look like a galaxy far away.
Hang on till episode 3
Episode 3 was really good
Enjoyed all 3. Roll on next week 🙂
Enjoying it so far, really do like this "star wars for grown ups" that is Andor, in the same way i'm not a big fan of Marvel bar the old series (and the new Daredevil just come out) like Punisher, Daredevil etc, proves that there can be a market for sci-fi that isn't cartoon like, fan boy service or just smashy-crashy action scene after action scene like a lot of Marvel stuff.
Loving it so far. Every character arc is believable and the sequencing of the music and events at the end of episode 3 is masterly.
Apparently the next block of three episodes will start a further year forward, and so on, until we reach Rogue One.
I really need a serious illness or injury so I can be off work and properly go through the Star Wars stuff in sequence.
You do....
After enjoying the first series ,I am finding it very disappointing .
The acting/set pieces are twee/wooden,and the 'interlude' where the Lost boys/Inbetweeners gang delay our hero was full of cringe. 😕
Then there was the wedding 😒
Yes,the last part of episode 3 clawed it back a bit,but jeez .
I did think being captured on the planet was similar to when he was in prison in series 1, but I am enjoying series 2.
I'm really enjoying Season 2 - three things:
1. I'm struggling a fair bit with the dialogue - is it just me, or is the whole Scandi noir thing making it difficult for other people to hear what people are saying?
2. Have we been told what the 'variations machine' that Saw now has actually is? A weapon? A synthetic drug manufacturing facility?
3. Are we sure about Cyril*? Is he 100% straight down the line for the empire? Did he get a little bit of a chubby when he met the attractive Ghorman rebel?
Overall = very good.
*I'll have spelled that wrong.
. Have we been told what the 'variations machine' that Saw now has actually is? A weapon? A synthetic drug manufacturing facility?
Helps nab fuel from pipelines I think.
Each 3 episodes have seen someone lose someone...kid loses father figure, joins up with Saw. What's her chops loses Cintra, she's going to go even deeper into rebellion. Next Andor loses Bix? Mon loses daughter? One of Cleya or Luthan go? Or Dedra loses Cyril, he could turn to Rebellion imo...everyone loses someone to further entrench positions of those left.
My money is on Cyril realising that the Empire isn't above breaking the law and Dedra has been lying to him. He was painted as a stickler for regulations, so he might hit back if he finds he's been personally duped too.
It's intriguing stuff, though. I really like it - if I can hear what is being said!
is it just me, or is the whole Scandi noir thing making it difficult for other people to hear what people are saying?
Yeah, the mumbling is a bit disappointing.
Did he get a little bit of a chubby when he met the attractive Ghorman rebel?
Lol. But, yes.
I'm absolutely gripped this season. Loving it. Soooo dark.
One thing is doing mine and Freester Jr's heads in. Luthen (Stellan Skarsgård character). His hair keeps going long / short. Initially I just thought it's a continuity thing. But I'm not so sure. It's like when he's the 'Antiques' rare object guy his hair is long but when he's the 'rebel' it's short...?
He puts a wig on, we saw him do it in season 1
Yep. There's a fair few things confusing me too, but Luthan's syrup isn't one of them.
Glasses on = Clark Kent; glasses off = superman. Similar ting.
Ahhhhhhhh I need to rewatch S1. Thank you.
I'm all caught up now, seems there is a lot of story to come over the remaining episodes.
I know done people have mentioned the wedding being a bit cringe but I quite like the characters letting their hair down.
The heist with the inexperienced French resistance was great.
