[Closed] Amanda Knox - guilty or not ?

Again,

1. Not sure

2. I think she'll be found innocent

I thought she was already convicted?

So this is an appeal right?

In that case I think she'll be found guilty again.

Don't really care... but what was the basis of the appeal?

dunno, think she'll be set free though

If she was black and living in a lot of American states she'd have no chance of avoiding the electric chair.

Yer parents have a plane on standy to get her out of Italy if she gets released so that she can't be rearrested if the state appeals.

The USA as a safe place for a convicted/suspected murderer to flee to - quite ironic, really.

Bikebouy - according to my Italian source, under their laws as she has filed an appeal she is technically no longer guilty - the appeal is a re-examination of the facts of the case.

Is she Hot or Not?

If she was black and living in a lot of American states she'd have no chance of avoiding the electric chair.

Where's the relevance to the subject? Or are you just waving your 'I'm so PC flag'?

Wasn't the murder slightly irrelevent?

Hasn't she just been tried and convicted of being female, better looking than most murder suspects and in possession of a libido?

And therefore a threat to the very fabric of society itself?

she did it,

probably innocent

Probably guilty......

OF BEING A WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!!

I think she'll be found innocent though of course no idea if that is correct or not.

On the whole though I think the media circus that has surrounded this case has been appalling. The victim seems to have been largely forgotten about and the tabloids have acted like some kind of obsessed schoolboy when it comes to Knox simply because she is good-looking.

There also seems to have been a pretty vocal effort to slander the Italian court process and staff though again no idea how accurate this is.

[i]'I'm so PC flag'? [/i]

sorry, I thought the latter half of my comment clarified my position.

For the hard of reading;

That someone who has been convicted (and if released) subsequently cleared of a murder in Italy would choose to get to the US in aprivate plane as quickly as possible (a country where, even in cases where there is a confession from another person and convincing dna evidence of a persons innocence they still insist on executing them) for fear of re-arrest/retrial struck me as ironic.

Hence a) relevant to the subect (her guilt or otherwise) and b) drawing a comparison between the Italian and US judicial systems in respect to appeals against a previous guilt verdict.

Not sure why that's getting 'PC', really.

This thread will be closed by lunchtime, I reckon.

1. No idea.

2. She'll be freed.

A film will be made of her 'ordeal'.
Meredith Kercher will be barely mentioned.

Never mind eh?

Guilty.

Won't get off.

Victim's family get to suffer more as next appeal gets lined up.

It would be nice if the Knox family members would express their regret that their daughter's room mate died every so often.

She is hot, but a bit loopy.

Surprised SilvioB hasn't sidled in there yet....

Hmm but she doesn't look evil...

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... so can't possibly be guilty 🙄

So they all deny taking part or being there at all.

But Meredith Kercher remains dead, and, unless anyone seriously believes that a convenient evil stranger [i]just happened[/i] to be in the vicinity (possible, but really unlikely), than at least one of the three who were accused and convicted must have murdered her.

I'm going with GUILTY.

Well a convenient evil stranger just happened to also be convicted of this crime and will be spending the next 25 years in prison.

Don't know who really did it and don't really care, just hope justice is done and the Kercher family get some peace.

Guilt by media. As Binners says, the real crime here (apart from the murder, obviously) is the sickening media circus that has arisen because an attractive girl has been convicted.

what tyres for the Italian legal system?

So they all deny taking part or being there at all.

There is another bloke already doing time for her murder

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14978755

Don't get how the Ivorian guy is already in prison for it, whilst Knox and the Italian are also in prison but there doesn't seem to be a coherent picture involving the three of them. It's almost like Meredith was murdered twice, and the two parties are in prison for the same crime, done differently. Just my impression from the news - not followed the events carefully or nowt.

Well a convenient evil stranger just happened to also be convicted of this crime

Hardly a stranger.

But leaving him to one side, the Knox/Sollecito alibis just don't hold up. If they get off on appeal, it will be as much due to the ineptitude of the Italian police and prosceuton team as anything else.

Wasn't he meant to be their dealer, and the crime some sort of alleged drug fuelled orgy (to pinch a phrase from the daily mail) gone wrong?

He claimed to be on the loo when it happened. Any idea why his sentence got halved from the original 30 years?

Ohh yeah I remember now.. All those comments about "Foxy Knoxy" Yeah I remember them, caught the media napping whilst a void of other news stories sidelined for this, Iraq/Afganistan yadda yadda..

I seem to remember the case having been transcribed in the media, in whole (or am I dreaming??) Can't think why this case has been so "popular". Poor Student gets killed by ... (who really knows,insert your suspects here) whilst on an Uni exchange, sucha very sad event and no doubt in some way spurned on by the "it's dangerous in Foregin lands" limited view'ists..

Still, I'm expecting it to be shut down before Lunch too.

I was in the kitchen at the time
Then..
I was at my boyfriends flat at the time
Then..
My boss at the winebar where I worked did it

Whilst in for questioning at the station she decided to do cartwheels. Yeah, if she was normally-minded wouldn't she be shell-shocked and 'oh a housemate has just been murdered'/****/crying etc.

Now, if she was ugly with short hair would the media have even bothered with selective reporting on her?

Someone innocent is dead yet £1m has been spent trying to free one of the conspirators in the event.

Are we really sure she's good looking?

Really???

Does that matter?????

I thought the traditional wisdom was:

Blonde hair, sweet and nice therefore innocent.

Brown hair, nasty and evil therefore guilty.

Lets see if it still stands.

She really did miss a tactic not changing her hair color.

None of us will ever know if she's guilty or not.

Whining about the media coverage is a bit pathetic though - it's just how human nature operates in the world of global media.

She really did miss a tactic not changing her hair color.

Whining about the media coverage is a bit pathetic though - it's just how human nature operates in the world of global media.

I'd like to see some balance though. Not 'good n evil' reporting that you always seem to get on such cases.

Hot or not....

Will she go down if guilty... ?

hora - Member

Whining about the media coverage is a bit pathetic though - it's just how human nature operates in the world of global media.

I'd like to see some balance though. Not 'good n evil' reporting that you always seem to get on such cases.

It's remarkably easy to get a balanced view - read the broadsheets coverage - the Indy's has been pretty good, as has the Grauniad, surprisingly. The BBC's coverage has been pretty decent
too.

What's difficult is avoiding the other sensationalist crap, and working out how much your views are subliminally influenced by it.

1. Don't know, but the initial conviction "seems odd"
2. Don't know

I didn't pay much attention to this at the time, but having read through a few articles related to the appeal, the initial conviction seems, how would we say over her???, "unsafe".

Questionable if the murder victim's DNA is on the murder weapon???

Knox's DNA is on the knife, but why wouldn't it be - it's a shared house...

Convicted man (burgler / drug dealer), possibly plus an accomplice, known to be in the house at the time of the murder, already doing time. Has he appealed?

Biggest concern (and unknown) from my perspective - means of death. To murder someone in such a cold brutal manner... doesn't mean a young girl couldn't be capable of that, but comments on the BBC site read more along the lines of someone who'd been killed after disturbing intruders (although the text I refer to seems to have been removed - perhaps in deference to the family??)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

She could have gone ginger - there is not the same prejudice in Italy, might have helped her chances...

[i]It's remarkably easy to get a balanced view - read the broadsheets coverage[/i]~

The fact that they are reporting it in the detail they are is a reflection of the overall media frenzy. They may be doign it in mor measured tones but they've still got a live ticker running on the Guardian site.

There's a fair number of Brits murdered abroad each year, very few get this level of reportign from the broadsheets.

Well the Jury have access to alot more facts and evidence than the few short sensational paragraphs that we read in the press show.

So whatever the verdict I think it'll be safe to say the right decision was made.

After all, ALL of us have read the jacket of the book. The Jury are reading the whole book.

If shes found innocent then thats 4yrs of her life lost. If shes found innocent on a technicality then thats still unfair.

A young innocent woman is dead. RIP.

Well said.

And who is this posting sensible, intelligent points using Hora's log in?
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She is good looking + 'could' be a murderer = media frenzy.

It's a fascinating case and one which has been so overshadowed by (as usual) inaccurate and overhyped media, not to mention total ineptitude by the Italian Police, that it is unlikely, whatever the court outcome, that we will ever know what really happened.

There are a myriad of viewpoints, most of which seem to be biased one way or the other but on balance, there is so much uncertainty that I don't believe she should ever have been found guilty in the first place. Some interesting points [url= http://www.groundreport.com/Opinion/The-Amanda-Knox-Case-The-Hard-Questions-the-Press-/2941254 ]HERE[/url]

She is good looking + 'could' be a murderer = media frenzy.

Agreed. See: Casey Anthony for the American parallel

Although everyone there seems to be 1000% sure she did it.

Hora

In your own words, you have only 'read the jacket of the book'. If you had even read only the first chapter you would realise that the evidence is hugely tainted.

So whatever the verdict I think it'll be safe to say the right decision was made.

hora - Member
I was in the kitchen at the time
Then..
I was at my boyfriends flat at the time
Then..
My boss at the winebar where I worked did it

Whilst in for questioning at the station she decided to do cartwheels. Yeah, if she was normally-minded wouldn't she be shell-shocked and 'oh a housemate has just been murdered'/****/crying etc.

Do you know how [b]you[/b] would respond if your flat mate had been killed and you had been arrested for murder? You might be better off leaving your assumptions about the 'normally-minded' at home.

Woody then surely the Jury will also reach your conclusion and if there is a unanimous verdict that she is innocent then she will be freed then?

Or if shes found guilty will you say the Jury are all dullards and incompetent like the Italian Police?

Wasn't the murder weapon then found in the flat of her Italian boyfriend?

Who's going to play her in the movie?

Hmmm...there seems to be a lot of Ted Bundy Syndrome going on here, regardless of whether she's guilty or not, the accused's appearence shoudln't be the main factor as to how we judge their guilt or general loopiness.

The media seems to have completely forgotten why the trial took place, Meredith Kercher's family are lost in all this, I do feel that if Knox is found innocent that any jubilation is incredibly misplaced and insensitive.

Hang on a minute!! Lets just back things up a bit here. Something is very wrong.

Hora, or someone purporting to be Hora, has:

a) Seen a picture of an attractive woman, and not immediately made a reference to kicking back doors in/flash grenades

b) Praised the Guardian for its balanced coverage

Right.... which smart-arse as nicked his log on details then?

Hora

What I am saying is that there is so much conflicting evidence, with testimony and statements given under dubious circumstances, contamination of DNA, evidence ignored or made to 'fit' the prosecution theory etc. etc. that it is not now possible to ascertain with any certainty, who actually committed the murder.

This will mean that regardless of the verdict, the murderer may actually be released and the innocent remain in jail.

Motive?

I suspect guilty of manslaughter at worst, being on the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people at best.

Either way, the Italian polis and prosecution have made a horlix of it and she is likely to be out of Italy by this evening. IMHO

her blood was mixed with the victims blood, guilty as ****,

As above, I have no idea whether or not she in innocent, but from what I've read so far there does seem to be 'reasonable doubt', which means that in this country at least, she'd be released. In Italy, who knows?

her blood was mixed with the victims blood, guilty as ****,

Presumably that tallies with injuries on Knox then? Should be fairly compelling evidence - just haven't read anywhere that Knox had any unexplained injuries consistent with a frantic death struggle...

Odd, like much else that has been reported.

I'm going for unsafe conviction with release pending prosecution appeal and full retrial removing the original DNA evidence.
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Or could be release on a strict parole.otherwise =.

Knox goes to US and if you are familiar with the US's track record on extradition on their citizens?....

Innocent - stitched up by a people wanting to make a name for themselves.

How often do wimmen choose throat slashing as a means to end another womans life?

It just doesn't happen that way, wimmen don't do that, it's a bloke thing.

Women do poison, shoot guns (not often), strangle, tear hair out, scratch, bite, bore folk to death.

But throat slashing? Nope she's innocent, acted stupid precisely because it didn't even occur to her she could get banged up.

Wasn't there some Sub Shaharan African involved? They don't mind the odd throat slashing, hate to do the stereo type thing, but in this PC world of total stupidity, the obvious very often gets totally ignored, precisely because it's so flaming obvious.

4 year wasted of a young womans life and now the damn eyties are trying not to look stupid in the face of extremely dodgy DNA evidence.. They've got nothing on her..

I'm going for unsafe but charged on tampering with evidence so released due to lack of evidence.

Africans slash throats? Well if you want to generalise Americans like to kill innocent women and children on a mass scale.

fall back you lot and behave.
am abroad right now, with little english language tv available other than cnn ( but don't worry, i'm making do and mending with oktoberfest, so i'm rubbing along ). kercher's mum, sister and brother were on earlier. they held a press conference. very dignified, and said they would accept whatever the outcome was. they didn't appear interested that knox or her italian boyfriend go down, just that justice is done.
one man is serving a long sentence for her murder and is not appealing. make of that what you will.

hora - Member

Africans slash throats? Well if you want to generalise Americans like to kill innocent women and children on a mass scale.

Yeah but we like to do it from the air, or using real video games connected to unmanned drones and tend not to use our wimmen to blow stuff up with, by strapping c4 and ball bearings to them and sending them into crowded places on the threat of killing the rest of their family..

In my view...
She is innocent of the murder.
She will have her sentence reduced.

My bro in law lives in the US, and the media view of her is a polar opposite of what we have here, innocent and stitched up by an antiquated, unjust legal system!

Saying that yes she is, she'll get out.

It would be nice if the Knox family members would express their regret that their daughter's room mate died every so often.

Her parents are continuously saying how sorry they are for the Kercher family and the death of Meredith. Long ago I read some pretty poor stuff about police blunders etc that made me suspect she was innocent. Hopefully she proves her innocence and gets let off. The Kerchers need to appreciate that two wrongs dont make a right etc etc.

Agree reduced sentance. 4yrs me thinks

TandemJeremy - Member
Innocent - stitched up by a people wanting to make a name for themselves.

Go on....

I don't know whether she is guilty of the actual physical murder, but i believe she knows more about it than she lets on. Her defence is inconsistent and self-contradictory - at least, what is reported is so.

here we go..
place bets now!

Unsafe Conviction

Not guilty

3 years + costs for knox. free to go.

FREED

same for her italian chap i think.

What if the forensics collection wasn't soo slack?

Wow, they've been cleared!
Very dodgy case from the off

BBC is saying they have both been cleared

Looking at this dispassionately and logically, we have a young women abroad, from a 'good' background, with absolutely no history of violence or anything untoward.

She appears to have cut loose a bit and had a few boyfriends, taken a few drugs and generally had a very good time. The press, particularly the Italian press with their outdated Catholic values and morals, have portrayed her as wanton sex and drug crazed she devil, when in reality she appears to have behaved no differently to any number of women (or men) who find themselves away from home for the first time.

To go from that, to being a brutal murderer, is a huge leap and one I feel is very unlikely, especially when you have a far more likely candidate already convicted.