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Right. Work in a horrible atmosphere. Got another job. Quango doing worthwhile work helping vulnerable people. Bit of a pay cut but there is a pension as as secure as anything can be.
Handed my notice in. Boss says he doesn't want to lose me. Offers me salaried partnership, another 12k and a car to the value of 25k. Do I sell my soul? One member of staff would never accept me as her boss and will have to go.
Move on - I say that with no reservations, without knowing anything about you, and I would say it to anyone in similar circs.
IMHO.
id leave mate - if youre not happy then more money wont make the job any better
Is a car worth 8+ hours a day in a place you hate? I doubt it.....
+1
You decided to move on for a reason. Would the extra money and the car make you any happier in your job?
You're working for a Quango and you're thinking of staying? That's not a risk I'd want to take. Governments getting rid of loads of them you know.
Move on.
"Do I sell my soul?"
You already know the answer to that one.... 🙂
Why such a massive increase ?
Are you essential to a current project that has penalty clauses ....
Usually in counter-offer territory an additional £5 - 6,000 is the figure, however you have your reasons for looking for a move and if a promotion will enable you to improve the factors you don't like maybe it's a runner.
Not enough info for answer your question properly.
If you're worth the extra money - why hasn't your current boss been promoting you?
They'll do the same again
Not sure a quango is that secure these days though
Leave.
Or stay.
Up to you and how you feel. 😉
It's the atmosphere you don't like - so would that change with a salary raise and a car? Part of me thinks it's a bit late for them to make you the offer to stay but that would probably be a bit unfair as they may not have known you were thinking of leaving until you handed in your notice. They clearly like you and think you are worth it (or are desperate to keep you as they don't think they could replace you quickly and cheaply enough).
"Remember whatever the cost, you have to burn all the bridges you've crossed,
And the Devil you've yet to behold is better by far then the Devil you know."
A very wise man called Josef said that. I reckon he's right.
Quangos and state pensions are looking vulnerable right now.
Worthwhile work with vulnerable people sounds great until you get professionally cynical "I'm slaving away on this miserable wage that's about half what I could have earned looking after these (insert appropriate insult)".
Stay where you are, sack the cow and enjoy life.
I'd say worth discussing the reasons that you are unhappy with your boss; if wanting to keep you this badly may well make some changes for you.
IMHO, above a certain amount that is very little, extra money makes nothing better. Leave and do something you enjoy doing instead of living for the weekend. Life is TOO short.
How about taking the pay rise and promising yourself you'll re-assess where you're up to in, say, 6 months?
One member of staff would never accept me as her boss and will have to go.
I suspect there's an interesting story there though... 🙂
stay and enjoy the extra money and company car. i wouldn't be looking to move to a public sector role at the minute.
The surprising truth about what motivates us:
Prepared to take on the extra responsibility, hrs etc that may/will come with the deal?
Is work/life balance more important than prestige of possible short lived partnership and frills(if any)?
Thts a lot of money I'd stay and perhaps negotiate an extra few days off a year.
salaried partnership, another 12k and a car to the value of 25k. Do I sell my soul?
I'd sell my soul for a jelly donut!
Awfully large increase in pay and responsibility to just hand out on learning of an impending resignation,-even if you're on good middle management money that's a significant % increase- what's your bosses motivation to keep you? As said above, why haven't you seen reward for your work previously. , if you're a consultant or contracted out to a third party, he may see you as vital. You should be able to determine the why's of this offer, and what you'll be losing as well as winning.
And again, can't put it too strongly- a quango might not be the most sensible move, especially if you're not in a position to be unemployed for long.
stay and enjoy the extra money and company car. i wouldn't be looking to move to a public sector role at the minute.
+1
As a partner will you have the opportunity of directing the company? If so you could set about changing the culture and thereby address the horrible atmosphere.
Your boss on paper looks to be offering 37k worth of incentives. In real terms it would probably amount to a lot less once the Tax man has had his share. Plus all the talk of Government putting up taxes...
Quangos are also coming under fire too. Will the one you will join be around in the long term? Is there a real need for it?
Oh, I don't know, I'm in a right quandary now! 😆 Do it on the toss of a coin!
the-muffin-man - Memberstay and enjoy the extra money and company car. i wouldn't be looking to move to a public sector role at the minute.
+1
Might be better jumping whilst there are jobs around that you like. Wife and her current 20odd colleuges did, all before their respective Gov departments closed down.
Would you be able to/have time to enjoy the extra money?
I'd stick at your existing job for another one year - work as little hours as necessary to get by. Take the pay rise and stick most of it in the bank to buy a new bike, pay off any debt, buy a nice holiday or even some nice presents for people you like. Get the car and rip it to **** in the mean time. Then hand in your notice and go for a different job.
Unless of course your current job is the total pits, then it goes without saying get the hell out as no money is worth being depressed every day - it rubs off on those at home too.
STW regulars would never recommend that anybody sell a soul.
perhaps a new saddle and tyres to revitalise it a bit.
I'd stay and take the money.
Don't move to public sector right now it's an unwise move.
You may find that the new role gives you scope to make some changes and improves your working life.
I don't need to read the other posts...
[b]YOU'D BE MAD TO ACCEPT IT!!!![/b]
next.
....mind you current cost cutting plans? hmmmm?
One member of staff would never accept me as her boss and will have to go.
I'd stay. 😉
Take the cash, do some part time feelgood work for free somewhere else you can be of benefit.
WIN WIN.
Could you achieve changes that might make atmosphere better?
Your old firm rang me today btw!
Zulu-Eleven - Membersalaried partnership, another 12k and a car to the value of 25k. Do I sell my soul?
I'd sell my soul for a jelly donut!
LOL
If it wasn't for the impending government slash and burn plans for the public sector I'd say shove the new offer. Personally though I'd take the extra money and stay put for the time being, unless financially you can afford to take the risk of being unemployed in 3-6 months time. Being in a shit but well-paid job is no fun but it's usually better than no job at all.
My view is that your next employer will always tend to base your salary on your previous one. I'd take the pay rise then leave in 6 months - you've got a fair chance of being 10K better off every year for the rest of the time you're in work.
will getting rid of the cow actually fix the atmosphere?
is there any way to fix the atmosphere?
will your boss or you actually get to fire the cow?
I've worked with a cow that ruined my workplace so I know how bad it is...but that's a lot of extra money.
Another thought: if he offered you that much to stay, doesn't that suggest you'd be able to find a job somewhere elsew with a better vibe pretty quickly?
Stay and make it your purpose to fix why the atmosphere is awful. Give yourself 6 months to improve things
If you fail, you leave anyway, no loss.
If you succeed in turning things round, fanatastic.
Where do you get to sit on forums all day?
Herein may lie your answer!!!!
Stay where you are.
But ask him how much the car costs the firm, and get an allowance instead - you'll be better off.
stay there for 6 months and f-ck the place right up.
then leave
Don't worry - there's no such thing as a soul, ergo - you don't have one.
Go for the money. You know you want to... 😈
The partnership is something you've wanted for a while, and briefly had a while back.
Would you be happy in the quango in 6-12 months time?
Tell him you'll take partnership for another £30k without the car but with a guaranteed entry into the equity in 12 months.
Also, be mindful of the fact that, as a salaried partner, you are in the worst possible situation: self employed in the eyes of HMRC, pension providers, healthcare providers, etc., but with none of the benefits of owning a slce of the firm or having any real say in it.
Good luck..!
Take the offer, whats the worst that can happen?
If it stays crap go looky for another job, if it starts changing for the better who knows, it could've been worth it
You go to work to earn money, not to have a fantastic time, or else you'd be working on sub 5k a year serving drinks on a tropical beach.
That 12k gets a lot of mountain bike fun, family fun, holidays ect which is why we're here! God didn't put you on this earth to enjoy your job to the detriment of your hobbies or home life.
Anyway in the present market, there's no guarantee you won't be redundant in 12m and the issue resolves itself, or that you go elsewhere and they close in 3 months.
I'd stick it out for the extra 1k a month (which is more than half the posters here earn IN a month).
1k a month gets you custom built ti frames, and a lot of flights to sunny places to use it!
“I’m beginning to think that my lawyer is too interested in making money.”
“Why do you say that?”
“Listen to this from his bill: ‘For waking up at night and thinking about your case: £25?.”
I wake up every morning and my stomach turns over at the thought of going into the place. I'm afraid to take a holiday as you get "punished" for taking time off ie they do an MI5 job on your files and you know you're coming back to a week of criticism.
I think there are a few bitches in the place who hide behind the chief bitch and they will continue to be bitches after she's gone.
The other worry is new business. I just don't think there's enough to sustain current staffing levels in the medium term. This could be very short lived!
I wake up every morning and my stomach turns over at the thought of going into the place
I've been there. Get the f*ck out. Really, life's too short.
Life is way too short to be miserable.
I have come to this conclusion the last couple of weeks, and am now trying to sort my own life out (well, realiseds it about 6 months ago, but hate hurting people). Mine is relationship based, yours is work based - same difference really - got to do what makes you happy in this life.
Trust me - I have been brushing at the edges of a breakdown and repression from the wrong side. Not going to let that happen again.
I wake up every morning and my stomach turns over at the thought of going into the place.
Out, out, out.
Law firms do this to you. Here it is (and I know you know this already): legal advice is all about risk allocation. Lawyers are, therefore, required to be risk averse. Careers require a degree of risk taking. Lawyers just find this so hard.
I speak from experience.
On the basis it is as you describe, I'll do a u-turn on my previous advice. Go. Have a life. Believe me, there is so much more to a legal career than getting sh*t on in a firm.
I wake up every morning and my stomach turns over at the thought of going into the place.
Unless you would be in a position to change the corporate culture, it'll just kill you in the end. Speak to a headhunter before you go straight to the Quango.
Been in a similar position, I would ask what is your mental state, are you feeling totally weak for all the crap or would you feel strong to sweep changes through to make the place better.
I felt totally demotivated and knackered mentally from all the crap so left and started fresh somewhere else, definately the right decision as the old company are still in the same crap state now 2.5 years on.
Money is only good some of the times, being happy and positive is priceless 😉
Your call.
OMITN what did you change to?
A gent called Maslov did a study on what motivates people [url= 
]Here[/url] Have a look and see where your current job is will the new offer shift you up the pyramid if not it wont be more enjoyable. Money is a low motivator and hence if the new offer is only an increase in pay it wont do much for you.
Iain
Stay and make life miserable for the rotten cow and her cohorts
Or is her attitude due to a failed relationship with you, in which case go and don't look back
OMITN what did you change to?
In-house. Technology/communications company. I was a corporate lawyer, so generic transferable skills, but completely lacking in the technical sense.
7 weeks in and I can't believe I didn't do it years ago. Small team (three of us in my particular part of the business - no more than a dozen lawyers across the whole company). Work is challenging, the concept of a "client" is completely different and the opportunity to have a genuine and involved impact on what the business does is much more satisfying than the arms' length world of chargeable hours and business development.
From my experience, I'd wholeheartedly recommend it.
No failed relationship with me - failed relationship with the boss. I'm happily married.
Take the money and the car and enjoy yourself!! End of!!
Turned down the offer of partnership today. Starting my new job on 5th Juuly.
Congratulations. My original advice was to take the money, but seing your comment about dreading going in to work makes me think you've done the right thing. Let us know how it goes.
Thanks. Immediately thought I was mad to walk away from so much money but I know in the long run it's the right thing to do.
The breaking point was when I was told by the practice manager that I was to be replaced with someone less experienced. I was then forced by her to interview the candidate. Turns out the boss knew nothing of it. The most humiliating experience of my life.
was reading this with Interest shooterman, and FWIW, I think you've definitely done the right thing.
Nice one. Enjoy!
kev
Money doesn't make you happy - but it certainly helps!
Another £12k could probably help make things better and the car would be a nice to have...
How long would this 'happiness' last? As a Partner would you being doing less of the work you hate or more?
In utopia I'd say do the job that makes you happy...as long as your bills are paid then go for it...as this isn't utopia I'd be having a serious think about how long I could stomach the dislike as I'd see the wage increase as a real help...
I'm too practical for my own good...my own 'belief' is to do the job you enjoy, but I'm also of the opinion that you need to do work to cover off your bills - ideally you can find both and go for it...but if not, compromise is needed...
Good luck.
Go Work to live not live to work and money ain't everything.
Work in a horrible atmosphere
be happy or end up in an early grave for a few quid you'll probably spend on sh1te - not really much of a debate 😉
Sounds like you did the right thing.
Money is tempting but will only make you happy in the old job if you're using it for something else. Money / material items become 'habituated' and they become boring once the novelty ahs worn off.
Good on you mate, at first I was all for taking the money as you hadn't actually said you hated it on a personal level I thought it was more on the "I'm treated like a monkey" level not "I'm treated like dirt".
I know I could earn more in the private sector as a project manager type but after six months working for a venture capital fund I learnt what workplace bullying and utter misery really feels like.
Now I use my skills in the public sector to shift cops and council workers about to make things better for people and feel so much more invigorated (if a little scared of the new Govt)
Congratulations! Sounds like it was an easy decision in the end.
How does it feel? Weight off your shoulders? Can't stop smiling?
Have you got a long notice period to work, or are you gardening?
He tried to persuade me to stay again while I was confirming I wanted to leave. really felt, on a personal level, I was letting him down. I have no issues at all with the owner, it's the manager who is a problem. In fact, it's really just a coven of three witches who have ruined the entire workplace for everyone.
Forcing me to interview someone who she told me was being brought in to take my job is just psycho stuff and will lead to an early grave if that persists.
As I was telling him I was thinking of all that money just evaporating in front of me but I know I'm doing the right thing.
Still there, working my notice.
Good man - a life is worth more than money. Have you looked at the hours you worked yet and the amount of holidays? going to a 35 hr week with good holidays will make a huge difference if you are used to 50+ hr weeks.
Can you not stitch up the coven as a little leaving gift?
Just be honest and say you would have stayed but they make it impossible. You've got nothing to lose unlike your boss who has just lost a valuable employee he was willing to throw money at to get to stay.
Life outside law firms is ace.
Good choice and good luck..! 😀
Read this the other day - really pleased to hear your choice. It's been said, but really all the money in the world will not help a soul destroying situation that over time would only progressively undermine you personally and professionally. Don't even get me going on the health implications of the situation you described. A change will be great. My experience is that even if this change doesn't turn out to be the long term thing you are looking for, it's a stepping stone away from what, for you, had become an intolerable situation and allows you to move towards something better. Good luck, it's the right decision, don't look back. 😀
This forum can be very caustic at times but I really am grateful for the input on this one. I know there are probably people who think I've made the wrong decision but won't post that point of view.
I sat at home last night and realised I've made a decision that will have a massive effect on the rest of my life. Scary.
I also counted ten occastions on which I've been offered either a job with a fixed timescale for partnership, salaried partnership or equity partnership in a new firm. I made the decision to go into partnership once which was the worst professional and financial decision of my life.
I'm a crap judge of character and I have to accept that which means either working alone or in an organistation with plenty of policies and procedures to protect from the unscrupulous.
More money and a car is a very short term incentive. IME if someone is fed up enough to have gone to all the hassle of job hunting, interviews, etc they're probably v p!ssed off about something. Unless the "something" is sorted then waving a carrot at someone will only delay their departure.
I am also of the opinion that if an organisation suddenly feels that you're indispensible and has to pay you a pile of money to get you to stay then they've been taking the p!ss out of you and under paying you anyway. If you wanted more money you'd have probably asked for it before this point anyway
AAARRRGGGHHH! He just spent three hours trying to persuade me to stay and added an offer of equity partnership within 2 years. FFS my head's wrecked!
Did you explain abbout the witches?
Frankly unless you explain honestly whhy your going that place is always going to be the same.
Yes. Set out a plan to get rid of chief witch without being sued.
shooterman - you have made your decision - stick with it. You know its the right one.
Do tell him the real reason why you are leaving tho - and leave.
OK, stay calm, take a walk around the block. You are obviously a smart, hard working guy as a number of opportunities have come your way over the course of your career. And the key point to know is THEY WILL AGAIN ...oops sorry for shouting. Decision making and change is hard for a reason, you are railing against a whole set of conventions and expectations that you've been hoovering up over the years and they've become embedded deeply within you. It feels risky and scary as hell to be saying no to all of that. As TJ says stay with it, and have the courage of your convictions. As I said before, this isn't the end. If you decide this move is not right in the long term, you'll make another one - only the next time it will be easier because you know it's possible. Oh - and with witches there really are only a few permanent solutions and last I looked big boiling pots and dunking chairs aren't really allowed any more. 😉 Hang in there.