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Got out of bed on the wrong side this morning?
This morning?
"I’d take a dump on that invitation and send it back. Sickening...Those going, watching and in support of this sham are the most two faced, ignorant people this country has to offer."
I'll put you down as a 'maybe', then?
The guy doesn't know what positivity is looking through previous replies to the forum - offers nothing but negativity 🤷♂️
Those going, watching and in support of this sham are the most two faced, ignorant people this country has to offer. Brainwashed and deluded doesn’t even come close.
You certainly come across as open minded on the issue. Not ignorant or brainwashed at all.
Can we just clarify if you've been nominated for any public recognition for services to the community?
Personally, I don't think there should be a monarchy, but I accept that other people may have alternative views and that's fine.
Can we just clarify if you’ve been nominated for any public recognition
for services to the community?
This at least seems plausible.
😁
Personally, I don’t think there should be a monarchy, but I accept that other people may have alternative views and that’s fine.
Are you new to this place/the internet? 🤣
I disagree with a variety of views/folks on here, but I appreciate evidence based argument for making me think more.
Interesting posting history 🤔 I used to work with someone who was permanently angry, negative about every possible subject and usually ranting about something or other. He sucked the energy out of every room he entered and people went out of their way to avoid him. It all seemed very draining for him. Sad.
@monkeyboyjc appreciate your input and for sticking your head above the parapet.
Rees Mogg on tv last night arguing that the countries who were subject to Britain's imperialism actually were better off for it.
I was getting at whether your invite had left you feeling somewhat comprimised and co-opted.
You've no need to answer that, I was just curious.
Despite being a republican, I'm going to a 'Coronation Party' round at friends. I'm justifying this by saying that I'm an atheist, but I still take opportunities around Xmas and Easter to socialise.
My wife has already said I will have to behave. All I have said to that is that I won't be walking around whistling La Marseillaise, but should someone ask a direct question I won't lie to them either. If someone decides they no longer want to be friends over something like this, then I guess they weren't that good a friend to start with. 🤷♂️
Rees Mogg on tv last night arguing that the countries who were subject to Britain’s imperialism actually were better off for it.
Weird that so few of them wanted to continue with it, then...
Despite being a republican, I’m going to a ‘Coronation Party’ round at friends. I’m justifying this by saying that I’m an atheist, but I still take opportunities around Xmas and Easter to socialise.
Similar feelings. We live in a very rural farming hamlet which has a strong community spirit but is very conservative. They are doing a party in the village hall for the coronation and lots of our neighbours will be there. I know for a fact that many of the newer residents, like me have republican views but will still go along because it will mostly be eating, drinking and chatting with friends and neighbours. Exactly like the harvest supper, summer ceilidh, 6 nations rugby etc. they also do, but with a lot more bunting and plastic flags!
Just another opportunity to forge or renew connections in a scattered community where people do look out for each other and help out if needed. And to neck lots of cider! Biting your tongue over some of the jingoism is a small price to pay to help foster community spirit IMO, although tbh - I doubt there will be much chat about the event and more about how lambing went etc. As an atheist I also go the Christmas carol concert there, hypocritical? Perhaps, but it evokes pleasant memories of childhood Christmases and puts me in a good mood even though I no longer believe.
Me and Mrs Bloke aren't going this time, I'm meeting my son for a ride and she doesn't feel like socialising after a very busy time at work recently. We did go to a jubilee party there though - I copped absolute dog's abuse for admitting that on here. I was 'stupid', a 'flag shagger' etc. That's why @monkeyboyjc has my admiration for sharing his experience and potentially opening himself up to similar from the usual suspects. Hopefully not though....
Similar feelings. We live in a very rural farming hamlet which has a strong community spirit but is very conservative. They are doing a party in the village hall for the coronation and lots of our neighbours will be there. I know for a fact that many of the newer residents, like me have republican views but will still go along because it will mostly be eating, drinking and chatting with friends and neighbours. Exactly like the harvest supper, summer ceilidh, 6 nations rugby etc they also do, but with a lot more bunting and plastic flags!
Just another opportunity to forge or renew connections in a scattered community where people do look out for each other and help out if needed. And to neck lots of cider! Biting your tongue over some of the jingoism is a small price to pay to help foster community spirit IMO, although tbh – I doubt there will be much chat about the event and more about how lambing went etc. As an atheist I also go the Christmas carol concert there, hypocritical? Perhaps, but it evokes pleasant memories of childhood Christmases and puts me in a good mood even though I no longer believe.
Me and Mrs Bloke aren’t going this time, I’m meeting my son for a ride and she doesn’t feel like socialising after a very busy time at work recently. We did go to a jubilee party there though – I copped absolute dog’s abuse for admitting that on here. I was ‘stupid’, a ‘flag shagger’ etc. That’s why @monkeyboyjc has my admiration for sharing his experience and potentially opening himself up to similar from the usual suspects.
Well said.
was getting at whether your invite had left you feeling somewhat comprimised and co-opted
Not really, initially when I was offered the bem I was tempted to decline as it came from Boris being pm at the time, but glad I didn't as he didn't last long after. I'm generally quite a reserved person and the attention I got from the locals i really don't like. Coronation invite has been the same.
However I don't see the invite as directly for me, rather a representative of a wider community and I'm happy to do that on behalf of those in the area that the coronation matters too.
I went to church up to age 16, but also atheist, but I still attend church ceremony's and take part. Regards the monarchy, I feel that there are worse institutions that we all happy throw money at daily (Starbucks, McDonald's, Disney etc), I feel the monarchy is one of the defining things that makes us British (particularly at an international level), like it or not.
Rees Mogg on tv last night arguing that the countries who were subject to Britain’s imperialism actually were better off for it.
Was he? I missed that. The reality:
"From the 1st century AD to the start of British colonisation in India in the 17th century, India's GDP was between about 25 and 35% of the world's total GDP, which dropped to 2% by Independence of India in 1947."
And furthermore India has not experienced a single major famine since it gained independence in 1947, despite reoccurring famines which killed millions under the British Raj.
The reason India was considered the jewel in the crown of the British Empire was because India brought so much wealth to Britian, but India was systematically plundered and de-industrialised by Britian.
Starkey has form.
Indeed, the temptation to have said "But Sunak's from Southampton you vile old racist" must have been almost overwhelming.
I used to rail about all the injustices in life, unaccounted and unearned privilege, prejudice, graft, corruption and the like but all it did was make me ill.
I'm in agreement with blokeuptheroad, we live in a country where all those things are generally accepted or actively supported. For the sake of a peaceful life its easier to just pretend you go along with it.
I’ll be having a nice day. I hope u do too.
You will, it is going to be absolutely magnificent, the music alone will be something you will never forget - we have a fine choral tradition in this country and whilst I guess it is an exaggeration to say it will be its apogee - it is going to be right up there - experiencing it in the flesh will be amazing.
Similar feelings. We live in a very rural farming hamlet which has a strong community spirit but is very conservative. They are doing a party in the village hall for the coronation and lots of our neighbours will be there.
We've the same in our village, and every village in the area, most people that can attend will be - but that the point of them, it's to bring communitys together, much like why I've been invited.
Despite being a republican, I’m going to a ‘Coronation Party’ round at friends. I’m justifying this by saying that I’m an atheist, but I still take opportunities around Xmas and Easter to socialise.
It's a party with friends. Presumably there will be beer and cake. Who are you justifying it to, yourself?
Just got home from work and my wife has put up a load of union flags at the bottom of our drive 🤣
I'm struggling to be bothered though as she also bought a Coronation Colin the Caterpillar cake! I'll take my wins where I can and I'll enjoy my extra day off next week.
I'll br riding my bike or walking the dog during the actual coronation tomorrow but fair play to those who want to celebrate. I'll just be doing something else.
Indeed, the temptation to have said “But Sunak’s from Southampton you vile old racist” must have been almost overwhelming.
Not for the guests on that particular panel. They moved swiftly on to the likelihood of Prince William getting mobbed by 'the gays' during his visit to Soho. What fun!
Who are you justifying it to, yourself?
Basically yes.
They moved swiftly on to the likelihood of Prince William getting mobbed by ‘the gays’ during his visit to Soho.
Well, presumably the pageant won't be within range of an overloaded dinghy full of brown people, so I guess it is going to be turn of 'the gays'.
If Charlie goes arse over tit wearing a showy dressing gown or Archbishop Thingy drops the ceremonial mug of oil, presumably that will be the fault of 'wokes' or similar?
Pfffft.
We did go to a jubilee party there though – I copped absolute dog’s abuse for admitting that on here. I was ‘stupid’, a ‘flag shagger’ etc
That's because when the chips on your shoulders get too big you become blinkered. The idea of pragmatic compromise is so alien to some folk on here.
I’ll attend anything for any reason if there is a buffet.
The idea of pragmatic compromise is so alien to some folk on here.
Out of curiosity where is the compromise on the royalists side in this scenario?
Everyone got absolutely bladdered at our village jubilee street party last year, the parish council moved the venue of the coronation party away from the pub to the village hall this year..... Being the only sober one tiding up wasn't fun.
We did go to a jubilee party there though – I copped absolute dog’s abuse for admitting that on here. I was ‘stupid’, a ‘flag shagger’ etc
The idea of pragmatic compromise is so alien to some folk on here.
Out of curiosity where is the compromise on the royalists side in this scenario?
Not dishing out personal abuse at those with different opinions?
Although attending an openair public party, or wanting to witness a historical constitutional event, does necessarily define that someone is a "royalist". Just that they might like parties and historical events.
Not dishing out personal abuse at those with different opinions?
So their compromise is get what they want and then be generous enough not to insult people.
This compromise seems less pragmatic than one sided.
What do you mean "get what they want"?
The ability to mention on here that they are going to a party?
Just got home from work and my wife has put up a load of union flags at the bottom of our drive
Blimey!
In an ironic way?
’d take a dump on that invitation and send it back. Sickening.
Its really nothing to be proud of, or boast about, being invited by a flawed, warped, sick, scrounging family who befriend and strive to protect the worst of society and then brush it off like a child would do claiming that they didn’t know when exposed. Their own actions alone are enough to warrant disgust never mind those they choose to get matey with and protect.
Homeless people in every town/city centre, kids starving, millions in poverty and they laud this event as if its something to be proud of? Its one of the most embarrassing and shameful things we’ll ever witness.
Those going, watching and in support of this sham are the most two faced, ignorant people this country has to offer. Brainwashed and deluded doesn’t even come close.
@jhinwxm For some light relief I would recommend seeking out Bob Moran's latest cartoon, it features Charlie Boy. You will obviously need to avoid the most popular search engine.
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What do you mean “get what they want”?The ability to mention on here that they are going to a party?
Unusually, I'm agreeing with Ernie- if you can't go to a local social gathering timed to celebrate a royal event simply for the social side without being insulted on here...🤷♂️
Tongue in cheek, but what do the royals offer us? A chance to meet and chat with local friends and neighbours every few years which may not happen without them....🤔
Well my suit is ready….😉
Hope you have a lovely time. Mind and steal something as a souvenir.
It all feels too late, Charles has been desperate to be king for so long, and it just feels like his moment has passed. Deep down we are all waiting for him to peg it, so William can get in on the real action.
It should have been 2012. Diamond Jubilee year, London Olympics, Dave at the helm. Would have been the perfect time for an abdication/accident. we would have lapped it up. sigh
That's quite an astute observation. Semms like Liz II really believed in duty above all and/or that Charles III wasn't up to it.
so William can get in on the real action.
What would that be?
What do you mean “get what they want”?
Its simple enough.
How exactly are the pro group "compromising"?
What are they giving up since thats what compromising is all about.
What would that be?
Pegging?
Its simple enough.
How exactly are the pro group “compromising”?
What are they giving up since thats what compromising is all about.
So if I understand your position correctly, the most important thing is to be able to use insulting and derogatory terms to describe someone with a different view to yours, rather than discuss in a grown up manner, or just accept that their views make no difference to your day to day life?
If Charlie goes arse over tit wearing a showy dressing gown or Archbishop Thingy drops the ceremonial mug of oil, presumably that will be the fault of ‘wokes’ or similar?
Surely the fact that other religions are going to be involved and reflected already has certain sections choking on their anti-woke cornflakes.
On the monarchy scale of 1-10 where 1 = storm the palace now and 10 = fwapping myself into a catatonic state while camped out on the Mall in a RWB plastic bowler hat, I'm about a 4 - mildly against. But I'll be looking in because I like the tradition, ceremony, and pageantry. In the same way as I'm not religious but I like knowing about eg: the Child Jesus procession around Prague.
I hope you have a great day Monkeyboyjc.
And the random collection of letters passing as an individual jhinxwyrf or whatever - I've seen their posts from time to time and not sure they're not a troll.
One final point but I have to make it. The official dish is a spinach and tarragon quiche? WTAF. 70 years on, a coronation chicken sandwich is still a joy, I had a plateful at a funeral wake on Weds and it made the funeral something to look forward to!
We won't be looking forward to a spinach quiche in 70 hours time, let alone 70 years. #notmyquiche indeed.
70 years on, a coronation chicken is just a ****ing korma
FTFY
What are they giving up since thats what compromising is all about.
What is there to compromise about? No one is forcing you to have any involvement in todays events anymore than people who hate football are forced to participate or care about the world cup. If it's the money being spent that annoys you then time to learn to live with fact not everything is done for your benefit, loads of money is spent everyday on things I don't like, it's democracy.
On theotherjonv's scale I'm a five ramping to an eight when people like you get so dictatorial about what others can and can't do.
If it's not for you go ride your bike, you do have a bike?
What a load of miserable people on here.
I have bunting up (shoot me now).
The ceremony, pageantry and mostly the history is something I'm interested in.
I like Charlie. He does a lot for the environment and was way ahead of his time.
His Princes trust charity has given so many underprivileged youngsters a step up on a ladder to success.
Good luck to the new King. It won't be long before William is King and possibly George will NOT end up as Monarch and Royalty will be a thing of the past. Let's hope we don't get an idiot such as Boris voted Head of State.
What a load of miserable people on here.
I have bunting up (shoot me now).
Several arrests already for peaceful protests.
Enjoy your bunting.
Pre-emptive arrests too, seemingly no actual crime committed.
Several arrests already for peaceful protests.
Enjoy your bunting.
Well they warned everyone they were going full on Putins Police in their tweet a couple of days ago.
Absolutely disgusting.
I see that they have backed down on the original pledge. At least that's something.
I’ve mixed feelings today. I’m not an angry anti monarchist but do see it as much more irrelevant, and with a part Caribbean family history it’s privelege and racism runs a bit deep. I do feel it’s a sense of occasion the kids might only see one (perhaps twice) and therefore it should be on the telly.
Yet at the same time the cost and privelege of it all flying in the face of those struggling just further reminds us of the widening monarchal and political divides in this country especially over the last few years of blantant political embezzlement vs public suffering.
Edit: Sky News have a Message feed and some of the psychophantic crowing is quite sickening. People don’t see those arrests and the state control coming through as Charles responsibility which it absolutely is.
What a load of miserable people on here.
Funny how some folk equate the energy to challenge tradition and make the world better as being miserable.
I was always fairly neutral on the monarchy. I definitely think the UK should be a republic, but it's so far down the list of things I care about it barely registers. It's something to look at once everything else is fixed.
However, the recent increase in arrests is tipping me into full blown anti-monarchist. If I was anywhere near London I'd be down there seeing if I could get myself arrested.
I respect anyone who has done enough good work in the community to be invited. I don't respect their decision to attend. Not when their actions are indirectly supporting the unlawful arrest and intimidation of innocent people.
I like Charlie. He does a lot for the environment
Give over
I like Charlie. He does a lot for the environment and was way ahead of his time.
Law enforcement there have raided a large van and removed all the possibly thousands of 'Not My King' placards from it. People had paid for these.
Back at the station, trying to work out what to charge the signs with.
I like Charlie. He does a lot for the environment and was way ahead of his time.
His Princes trust charity has given so many underprivileged youngsters a step up on a ladder to success.
that is all true; his predecessor and her husband also had many positive qualities which helped people overlook the absurdity of the system of an inherited head of state. You could probably say the same about Bill Gates, but nobody is scrambling to make him a head of state, and certainly not to assume that his kids would be the natural successor if he did.
It won’t be long before William is King
possibly 20 years or more… in countries with elected heads of state that would be considered a very long time.
. Let’s hope we don’t get an idiot such as Boris voted Head of State.
of the 60 million people in the U.K. Borris would be in my bottom 10% but I would rather people have the right to choose and then unelect them after 5 years than be stuck with inheritance as a means of selection. You can still have pomp and ceremony with an elected HoS - just look at the U.S. inauguration! That would be a more frequent opportunity to get your bunting out.
if Charles is the best candidate for the job - why not stand for election, heck I’d even be content for him to be unopposed for the first 5 years! If he was really interested in the rights of “his subjects” he’d see the absurdity of royalty himself and have the balls to call it out. If he can’t, either he is stupid (which doesn’t seem to be the case) or selfish.
FYI - I’ve not seen any bunting, heard of any street parties etc in this area. I only know of one family who is even planning to watch it. A number of people I spoke to this week didn’t even realise it was on Sat (they assumed it was on the BH).
What a load of miserable people on here.
do you say that to Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists etc who don’t join in celebrating Christmas the way you do? Projecting your view of what, how and when people should celebrate is, well, a little bit dictatorial. Objecting to people who won’t join your party, because they’ve made a considered decision about what it symbolises seems even more so.
“out of curiosity where is the compromise on the royalists side in this scenario?”
Not dishing out personal abuse at those with different opinions
No need for personal abuse when the cops can be relied on to arrest those with opposing views.
Kneelers ... I feel sorry for them. I have some friends without a pot to piss in, but they worship that lot to the hilt. I don't get it!
They secretly hate plebs like us 🙁
The monarchy (monarchies) is obsolete, they have no challengers to the throne, unless Wales and Scotland are the only possible threats.
We want our land back and share the wealth.
"We want our land back and share the wealth."
Can't argue with that. In fact you could argue for that without taking an abolitionists position.
Not dishing out personal abuse at those with different opinions
No need for personal abuse when the cops can be relied on to arrest those with opposing views.
Blimey, the moderation on stw is getting a bit heavy-handed. I'm sure there is no need to call the cops.
The miserable comment was for a 'few on here', not for the 'whole wide world'. Yes I do celebrate Christmas but am not religious, yes I am an environmentalist but still drive a 'beemer'. No one is perfect.
The bunting is for the whole of my road every other house has it. There is a massive party in our small town tomorrow bringing many people together, I hope they all enjoy themselves.
If everyone on this thread is so against the Monarchy, write to your MP, get a vote sorted and have your say.
Yes I absolutely think it's disgusting that peaceful protesters have been arrested.
do you say that to Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists etc who don’t join in celebrating Christmas the way you do? Projecting your view of what, how and when people should celebrate is, well, a little bit dictatorial. Objecting to people who won’t join your party, because they’ve made a considered decision about what it symbolises seems even more so.
Blimey.
Yes I absolutely think it’s disgusting that peaceful protesters have been arrested.
And yet you are showing your indirect support by putting up your bunting and attending a massive party. If you were actually disgusted you would be removing any show of support for this ridiculous spectacle.
You can't have it both ways.
pledge made, and proud to do so.
up the monarchy.
Up the protesters who have been illegally detained in the name of your monarchy.
Jeez, no one told me how much God stuff would be in it. That’s the bit that’s going to have to change if they want to hang around in the future.
Jeez, no one told me how much God stuff would be in it. That’s the bit that’s going to have to change if they want to hang around in the future
Think you’ll find that the god stuff is integral, seeing as how it’s the only justification for jug ears to be given the top job.
how much God stuff would be in it
its just lip service, they’ve no intention of serving the people in their faith, having the humility of Jesus, not recognising platitudes etc etc as is read out. Can’t see Jesus approving of an upspecced gold carriage with air con whilst Mrs Jones 72 down the road can only dream of her mackerel tea suddenly multiplying in to two.
but it’s so far down the list of things I care about it barely registers
Do we have a system that protects inherited wealth? Can that really be changed while we have the monarchy in its current form?
One final point but I have to make it. The official dish is a spinach and tarragon quiche? WTAF.
It's not one of those peasant quiches you get in the supermarket for £2 that feeds 6*. I'm confident this will be the finest quiche you would ever eat. I like a good quiche!
* or 2.
Walked through the living room to here he's got spurs to stand up for those in need.
Well that's a load of bollocks right away
Anyone else waiting for Penny Mourdant* to trip whilst handing over that Sword…
*she brushed up well.
pledge made, and proud to do so.
up the monarchy.
I believe that the correct terminology is "God Save the King!"
"Up the monarchy" sounds like something which Sidney Ruff-Diamond might say in Carry On Up The Khyber.
Extinction rebellion would have those grey barriers over in seconds.
Banning the right to peaceful protest to protect the feelings of the elite, that is not acceptable. Break the law, cause a disturbance, riot, throw smoke grenades, yes remove from the area under arrest, then de-arrest and let them go with a warning. I wonder what would happen if you held up a blank A2 piece of paper?
Robe of Righteousness is mint!! Like something from Thundercats
Single white glove MJ also a nice touch.
Shamon!!
Mourdant looks like she is opening the Olympics.
Spent the morning visiting a friend at an addiction recovery centre for veterans.
5 months sober for him. Puts a lot of the STW bickering into perspective.
Hope everyone is having a good day whatever they're doing.
And yet you are showing your indirect support by putting up your bunting and attending a massive party. If you were actually disgusted you would be removing any show of support for this ridiculous spectacle.
You can’t have it both ways.
Pray tell, where did I say I'm going to a massive party?
By the way I'm a woman so I can change my mind any time I like - Wink.
Everyone loves a bit of bunting, fluttering in the gentle breeze (I make it for a living).