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Not long now. This just been released....
75% sure it's going to be a disappointing reboot. The android cocks everything up AGAIN.
75% sure it's going to be a disappointing reboot
If it's anything like Prometheus, it will be a huge disappointment At least this time my expectations are set very low....
If it's anything like Prometheus, it will be a huge disappointment At least this time my expectations are set very low....
I always go to see a film with no real expectations other than a need to be entertained.
That way I'm rarely disappointed.
Like Countzero I watched without expectation.
I still left disappointed
Am I alone in quite liking Prometheus then?
It's not a great film by any stretch but I've seen much much worse movies.
Could be OK.
Am I ok to put my hand up and admit I don't really understand what just happened?
I loved Prometheus. But then I'm a bit obsessive of Alien related stuff (abominations of battles with Predators excepted!!!). Yes it should have been much better. But it was still highly enjoyable. I'm absolutely positively giddy with anticipation for Covenant. Which I'm nigh on certain I'll love.
Am I alone in quite liking Prometheus then?Nope , I have watched it three times now. I do enjoy a slow burn type of film. Don't need a car chase, explosions or the all goes quiet before you S*!T urself moments to enjoy a film.
Why has that only had 26,000 views!?!?
I like Prometheus and have enjoyed all the trailers for Covenant but that trailer really annoyed me as I suspect that is for Prometheus 2.really. Stunning though.
That was the disappointment of Prometheus.
Beautifully made, ravishing visually, but a muddle headed, fairly pointless story.
This movie is going to be so good that it'll improve Prometheus.
I think the first half of Prometheus is really good then it just goes downhill from there, hopefully Covenant won't follow the same path
he certainly likes to stick to the same formula... team of people in space, lets watch them all interact for a bit, see how they get along, aren't they friendly, one's a bit grumpy, one's up themselves and one is the hero and one is an Android!
Woops there's an alien on board! how did that happen? everyone dies except the Hero and the Android and maybe one other if they're lucky and the cat!
I like Sci-fi horror, probably my favourite genre. I also liked the AvP series, espicially AVP2, great film, loads of alien tech and fighting and shit. Predator4 out next year..
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Why has that only had 26,000 views!?!?
coz prometheus was shit? 😉
it looked lovely, there was a good story in there somewhere, but the script was terrible, the characters were both unbelievable & unlikable and it was too far up its own arse
The issue I have with all these (and I count myself a fan of both Ridley Scott and the Alien films) is that they're all the same* and the story "arc" (FWIW) hasn't moved beyond the premise of the '79 original, and it's all getting a bit repetitive and tedious now
Beyond a few meaningless details that the online geeks on You Tube will masturbate over, the plot of this one will be identical to the 5? that have come before it. The amount of trailers, sneak peaks and so on pretty much revealed that Oh Look! massive surprise! the robot "we've" created has risen up against us: who knew!!....Ridley, we get it, robots; not catholic, move on, already...
*yes, I know, but c'mon, is it too much to ask?
I liked Prometheus as well
It was a good movie
also liked the AvP series, espicially AVP2,
You need to have a word with yourself
I liked Prometheus so much that, even though I have watched it twice, I cannot actually remember the storyline other than they land somewhere and there is an Alien (or Aliens - I really can't remember).
I just watched AvP for the 1st time this week (on a flight to the US).
Was OK for a mindless action film, but a lot of the Alien stuff didn't didn't fit properly with the Alien world, like the thing gestating in under 1 minute rather than taking a day or so....
nickc - you just described the entire Star Wars film series too. (although I think if one drew two venn diagrams of Star Wars fans and Film fans, they wouldn't overlap)
They should have stopped at Aliens.
I liked Prometheus so much that, even though I have watched it twice, I cannot actually remember the storyline
Count yourself lucky. My main issue was with the size of the engineers. The one they find in alien is huge. In Prometheus, not so much. Did they not even refer back to the original.
Really want this one too be great, but I won't be surprised if it's a incoherent mess.
If it's anything like Prometheus, it will be a huge disappointment At least this time my expectations are set very low....
See, I think the people who were disappointed in Prometheus only have themselves to blame. Pretty much every criticism I've heard amounts to geeky nitpicking, demanding a sci-fi/horror movie meets some sort of impossibly high standard of credibility and scripting, or things which should really just be put down to 'poetic license'.
Count yourself lucky. My main issue was with the size of the engineers.
You let that ruin the movie for you? Seriously? Perhaps the engineers come from a planet where different ethnic groups of engineer are bigger or smaller than one-another? Is that such a stretch of your imagination? I mean, you wouldn't scoff if someone said Dutch people were typically taller than Indonesians etc. etc.
The main problems I have with Prometheus are the incoherence of the film, possibly brought about by poor editing. It would be interesting if a directors cut would have any impact upon this.
But my main gripe is the huge lack of character development or meaningful interaction, meaning that you weren't really invested in them and you didn't really understand why they behaved as they did. Or care that much when they died.
After the torrent of shite that was Aliens 3 onwards, my expectatios of Prometheus was only that it be better, as Ridley Scott was involved. Sadly he 'phoned that film in. It just squeaked it as better.
My biggest bug-bear with Prometheus was that they seemed to have assembled a crew who were all bloody useless at their jobs. They were all "I've heard a noise in this haunted basement and the light doesn't work... I guess I'll go and investigate on my own armed with a Swiss roll" levels of stupid.
If there had been some preamble or plot device to explain that for some reason they'd deliberately sent a crack team of cretins to meet our makers I think I'd have had a lot more fun with it.
I watched the teaser trailer for this. I'm not watching anything else, the trailers give too much away these days, it's getting frustrating.
I'm of the same mind - I'm trying to work out whether I want to watch this one or not. I'm blessed with a rubbish memory so I'll probably have forgotten what happened by the time the film comes out.
I noticed the poster for this says;
'From the director of The Martian and Alien'
Seemed a bit odd to mention The Martian first, and no mention of Prometheus. Does this ignore the Prometheus storyline?
No, it's a continuation of it. From what I've seen it seems to suggest that David & that woman travel to the engineer's planet and wipe them out using their black goo against them. Then, years later David is involved with this re-colonisation attempt and once there they find a crashed engineers vessel with some black goo and then the fun begins.
On a nerd point, the teaser shows a human morphing into an alien rather than bursting out his chest, or may I assumed wrongly.
I liked Prometheus
Except for terrible acting of the Scottish woman
Except for terrible acting of the Scottish woman
that.
I liked prometheus, it was a bit of an amble through, but decent effects which kinda made up for it (after I'd cleaned myself up from the first shot of the alien ship)
I also liked alien 3, but more so as the alien was dog like, hinting at morphological mimicry.
I thought Alien was OK, but watched it after I'd seen aliens in the 80's, so it seemed a little slow.
Alien resurrection was OK, apart from the final alien/human hybrid offspring thing, that just looked silly.
I'm looking forward to figuring out what they don't tell you about this one. get fed up of films explaining the plot to 5 year olds (apart from transfromers, i could watch those all day, with my brain in a bucket)
deliberately sent a crack team of cretins to meet our makers I think I'd have had a lot more fun with it.
I laughd a lot more than I should have done at this.
Imagine what a spce mission crewed by STWers would be like - Binners, Ninfan and TJ in a confined space together.
also liked the AvP series
I once saw AVP Volleyball listed and stayed up 'till the early hours thinking I'd see some great action.
Was disappoint...
But my main gripe is the huge lack of character development or meaningful interaction, meaning that you weren't really invested in them and you didn't really understand why they behaved as they did.
Lol, it's not Jane Austen! I'm not saying sci-fi can't or shouldn't aspire to this standard, but how many great sci-fi movies have managed without it? Most of Arnie's I'd imagine...
If there had been some preamble or plot device to explain that for some reason they'd deliberately sent a crack team of cretins to meet our makers I think I'd have had a lot more fun with it.
😀
Agree, but at the same time, if people in sci-fi movies were good at what they were supposed to be good at, the movies would be very boring, or very short. Like if the people who built Jurassic Park had actually planned for big storms on a Pacific Island, etc. etc.
I genuinely don't care if people liked Prometheus or not, I'm more just curious that it gets more criticism than it deserves, is it because they were messing with a classic? I'd say the one where Ripley becomes some sort of hoop-shooting super being on a ship full of mercenaries was a bigger sacrilege (although I still liked that one).
I recently (well, a couple of years ago now) watched all four Alien movies over a weekend, all in their full remastered director's extended this is the final version until we mess about with them again honest Blu-Ray glory. I thought:
The remaster of Alien is superb, it's like it was filmed yesterday.
Aliens is still an outstanding movie, one of my all-time favourite films.
Alien Cubed is still complete toilet, one of my all-time biggest cinematic disappointments.
Alien Resurrection is far from being a great film but it's much, much better than I remembered it being at the time.
I'm more just curious that it gets more criticism than it deserves, is it because they were messing with a classic?
It deserves heaps of opprobrium shovelled upon it like a steaming pile because it's such a mess of a film.
It literally makes no sense.
There are plot holes in many films I know, and it's not some art house existential examination of the human condition , but Prometheus just takes that to a new level of super massive black plot hole-ness. and I think people were outraged because even if you accept Ridley's insistence that it wasn't going to be an Alien pre-quel...How could it not have been you utter utter arse biscuit!
That's why
I'm looking forward to its release. I was chatting with the lead animatronic designer who worked on Prometheus (and Arrival, Harry Potter etc. etc.) last weekend, he's a talented bloke.
[url= http://simonwilliamsartist.co.uk/the-artist/ ]Simon Williams, Artist and Animatronics designer[/url]
Beautifully made, ravishing visually, but a muddle headed, fairly pointless story.
Applies to most films of the past 10 years, TBF.
Alien Cubed is still complete toilet, one of my all-time biggest cinematic disappointments.
Am I alone on liking Alien 3? The idea of the alien incubating inside a dog and then adopting some of its mannerisms and physiology was inspired.
Am I alone on liking Alien 3? The idea of the alien incubating inside a dog and then adopting some of its mannerisms and physiology was inspired.
Nope, I love it. The version on the Quadrilogy was a bit different, the Alien came out of a cow. There seemed to be more religious themes than the cinema release.
I just wish they'd made this instead (the original Alien3 story idea)
[url= https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/12/14/wooden-world-vincent-wards-alien-iii/ ]https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/12/14/wooden-world-vincent-wards-alien-iii/[/url]
Also I believe there was a teaser trailer for Alien 3 that hinted at an Earth war
There are plot holes in many films I know, and it's not some art house existential examination of the human condition , but Prometheus just takes that to a new level of super massive black plot hole-ness.
Really? Out of genuine interest could you give me the biggest of the gaping plot holes*? I am being genuine because I don't consider myself a stupid guy but I am pretty slow on the uptake when watching movies.
*I don't mean "x combined with y plus super-goo shouldn't equal tentacles" etc. I mean proper plot holes.
I just wish they'd made this instead (the original Alien3 story idea)
I believe that bathroom concept sketch is one of my Grandfather's. He was one of the storyboard artists for the film.
Out of genuine interest could you give me the biggest of the gaping plot holes?
David's convenient knowledge of Alien Technology (and handling of a hologram?!?)
David puts goo into Holloway's drink knowing (somehow) that he and Shaw would have sex, and an alien would incubate inside her
The air is breathable in here...
The scene with the biologist and the penis/vagina snake
Shaw has major surgery, runs around 10 minutes later
and no one looks for her afterwards
space marines that turn up seemingly from no-where.
Oh, and the med bay robot thing set up for Male only, what kind of stupid is that?
Why would you open the bay door to go and talk to your colleague with his legs wrapped around his shoulders?
there seems to be no good reason for the lie that Wayland is dead
Running from the crashing spaceship... up and to the left, up and too the left...
That's just off the top of my head mind, so there's probs more.
Imagine what a spce mission crewed by STWers would be like - Binners, Ninfan and TJ in a confined space together.
At least in space no one could hear them scream.
Oh, the geologist and biologist...they're mapping the caves, with floating GPS ball thingys, the biologist at one point talks to his wrist communicators telling everyone their location...they have state of the art 3D holographic displays back in the ship and all the technology it takes to navigate to lost stars on the flimsiest of evidence in remote Scottish caves...
And they get lost...
Lol, it's not Jane Austen! I'm not saying sci-fi can't or shouldn't aspire to this standard, but how many great sci-fi movies have managed without it? Most of Arnie's I'd imagine...
He did it perfectly well in Alien, James Cameron did it in Aliens. Fincher's Alien 3 did it, and he was having to fend of fifty studio exec led re writes per day.
RS gets dialogue, he gets character development, he just took his eye of the ball gave us people we didn't understand or invest in doing improbable things for reasons we weren't explained.
here's a big green crystal in the room, we'll not explain that...
Here's a picture of an alien on the wall, you know that from all the alien movies, but we'll just save any connection there for another movie...
I said it tongue in cheek, but if alien covenant can close some of the plot holes in Prometheus it will retrospectively make it a better movie.
intersting reading while waiting to finish work:
http://www.movieplotholes.com/prometheus.html
You let that ruin the movie for you? Seriously? Perhaps the engineers come from a planet where different ethnic groups of engineer are bigger or smaller than one-another? Is that such a stretch of your imagination? I mean, you wouldn't scoff if someone said Dutch people were typically taller than Indonesians etc. etc.
Ridley, is that you? You seem quite upset by my ability to not like a film.
It was pretty naff besides that. We're not talking a bit bigger or smaller here. The difference is massive. To the point I actually noticed when I'd not seen Alien for years.
The fact that the ship appeared to be crewed by the worst people in their individual fields made it more akin to a slapstick comedy. The first two films were genre defining. I think the hype behind Prometheus pretty much killed it.
Am I alone on liking Alien 3?
I think general consensus is that 3 was better than 4. I'd possibly put them the other way round. Neither are particularly great films though.
Do people get paid each time they utter or type the words 'plot holes' or something?
lol @
And why, oh why was there a goddamn flute to activate the alien ship?
I think general consensus is that 3 was better than 4. I'd possibly put them the other way round. Neither are particularly great films though.
Alien 4 is rubbish, but it's good watching once you know that the crew of the ship were basically prototypes for the Firefly crew. original script for Alien 3, the one based in a monastery, would have made a cracking film 🙁
Yeah, with Prometheus, I'm in the camp that thought it started off quite well, and then went downhill. Main reason I watch it is because the engineer looks like a taller version of one of my old neighbours - so I get to scream 'oh look, it's Adrian!......where's Cath and the kids!' It'd be so ace if the engineers turned out to be a firm of gas fitters that had landed on the wrong planet:)
intersting reading while waiting to finish work:
http://www.movieplotholes.com/prometheus.html
Damnit, that just took me straight back to disliking Prometheus again!
Reviews are in. Pretty darn good by all accounts.
SFX wasn't all that impressed.
if you're going to see it anyway I'd avoid reading the reviews, too many spoilers
Empire aren't so convinced.
I'm not convinced by the whole "it's sci-fi, stop expecting it to be well written" defence of Prometheus.
A sci-fi (or horror etc for that matter) film should only really require you to suspend your disbelief once and that's to accept the overall premise of the story. Everything else which happens should have an internal logic and consistency which makes sense within that premise. Additionally, where possible the film should also try and be original and if not then at least avoid the usual tired cliches of the genre.
Where Prometheus failed was by being both cliché ridden from the word go, the "jocks V nerds" tension at the start being the first sign the film wasn't going to be amazing, and also requiring you to suspend your disbelief at the actions of the cretinous main characters. The "stroking the alien snake" being a prime example. (Not a euphemism ?by the way)
The shitness of Prometheus was, for me, on a basic film making level and not as a result of any inconsistencies within the Alien universe as an entire series.
It would be great if more people made films where the main characters weren't total knobs prone to petty arguments and utter stupidity but who still got messed up by the alien/ghost/axe weilding murderer despite making the "right" decisions.
It would be great if more people made films where the main characters weren't total knobs prone to petty arguments and utter stupidity
They are only reflecting current society 😆
Imagine what a spce mission crewed by STWers would be like - Binners, Ninfan and TJ in a confined space together.
And Somafunk, philosophical in the quiet before the storm, trotting out "We only need one law: Don't be a dick. Simples."
My biggest problem with prometheus, although I enjoyed it, was, as said, the stupidity of the so called team of experts.
They had the floaty scanner balls in that can detect 'life' and create a 3d map.. So why send people in straight away instead of letting the floaty balls do thier thing so they could analyse the place from safety without setting foot in it.
And taking the masks off, so the atmosphere is apparently breathable.. I guess they didn't account for the possibility of DNA altering black goo..
They had the floaty scanner balls in that can detect 'life' and create a 3d map.. So why send people in straight away instead of letting the floaty balls do thier thing so they could analyse the place from safety without setting foot in it.
Maybe the floaty balls aren't designed for the outdoors? They may need close, defined confines to be able to guide themselves. They may need calibrating. Someone would have had to get them inside.
Maybe the floaty balls aren't designed for the outdoors? They may need close, defined confines to be able to guide themselves. They may need calibrating. Someone would have had to get them inside.
They could be deployed by a remote control car, or even someone could drive up to the structure on one of those quad bike things, lob a few inside the structure, and hightail it back to the ship.
But no, rather than risk one life, deploy pretty much all the team blind into an unknown artificial structure on a strange planet.
With an incoming storm.. Did they really not do some general environmental /weather pattern analysis before they all went romping about?
But to be fair, a film about them sat in the ship for two weeks doing all that would make for a boring film!
Ivan > right with you there.
My favorite review so far.
"It’s not terrible. Director Ridley Scott didn’t make some kind of hugely annoying, incoherent movie or anything like that.Again"
But to be fair, a film about them sat in the ship for two weeks doing all that would make for a boring film!
Pretty much. I can see the benefit of sending a team in, but I understand your points. Perhaps its to demonstrate the "arrogance of mankind", or something 
Talking of which: It's on Ch. 4 in 25 mins.
fAliens.
I wanna see a movie where the xenomorph just wins outright. Kills everyone, hibernates and waits for next meal, roll credits.
I'm not convinced by the whole "it's sci-fi, stop expecting it to be well written" defence of Prometheus.A sci-fi (or horror etc for that matter) film should only really require you to suspend your disbelief once and that's to accept the overall premise of the story. Everything else which happens should have an internal logic and consistency which makes sense within that premise. Additionally, where possible the film should also try and be original and if not then at least avoid the usual tired cliches of the genre.
This I totally agree with. I'm perfectly happy to suspend disbelief and I can, and will, accept some holes in the storytelling and internal logic, but I do expect the story to be well written, and be consistent.
I was disappointed with Prometheus, but that's not to say I hated it; I'm not sure about Covenant, though, just watching the trailer it's looking too much like what's gone before, there's a real deja vú feeling going on there, I'm not sure I can really be arsed going to see it.
Having said that they do cheap showings at my local flea-pit, so I might wander down if I'm home early from work one day/evening.
watching the start of prometheus - wonderful yet deeply irritating all at once
my hopes for covenant are low
Tickets booked to go see on Friday night. I'll report back on Saturday morning, spoiler free of course. Not holding out much hope for it, but hope I'm wrong
Tickets for tomorrow's Odeon Alien Day preview booked. No expectations of it being any good but you never know.......
Wow, no idea so much work went into the space suits....