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Did you not see my statistic above that 70% of people involved in driving driving related accidents have alcohol dependancy issues? This implies that it’s not those having a single post ride pint who are the big problem.
Surely if you are that dependent that rides have to end with a beer rather than a diet coke those that need a post ride pint might well correlate highly with the dependent group.
Surely if you are that dependent that rides have to end with a beer rather than a diet coke
Bravo! A new level of sanctimony from the non-drinkers. Having a pint with your mates after a ride is clearly the slippery slope. One step away from crack and crystal meth.
A new level of sanctimony from the non-drinkers
I'm not a non drinker I just dont drink and drive, I have also passed my IAM's motorbike test too, just mentioning as it seems important here.
A new level of sanctimony from the non-drink-drivers. Having a pint with your mates after a ride is clearly the slippery slope
FTFY It's perfectly possible to enjoy a few drinks and not have to do so before driving. I guess it just depends on how desperate you are 🙂
Edit: recipient of Police Driver Training since we're keeping score.
Tj, I seem to recall you said when you came back you weren't going to argue about petty shite.
Surely if you are that dependent that rides have to end with a beer rather than a diet coke those that need a post ride pint might well correlate highly with the dependent group.
Most countries on the continent have lower drink drive limits than we do. Yet in my experience, if you walk in a bar at lunch-time, everyone is drinking. (Quite possibly the reason you're legally required to carry a breathalyser in France?) That culture is often seen as something to aspire to, at least when compared to our binge-drinking ways in the UK. A post-ride pint is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
I suppose this thread has proved it's impossible to have a sensible discussion on this without it descending in to one side calling the other alcoholics. For my part I'll stay within both the law and common sense and go back to not talking about it. Should've known better really.
After wading through all that shite I need a drink.
It does indeed seem that people on both sides are not even attempting to see the other point of view.
I can see both arguments, I note that those who might encounter the consequences at work seem more likely to want to see things changed, and I can see why (I'm sure seeing the results of one DD fatality is far worse than looking at any statistic), but I don't think their personal experiences help them to make a better decision on this point.
I just don't think you can put safety (and taking personal responsibility) above freedom to such a degree. I fully accept that if anything happened to me (or, to be more specific, a loved one) that could have been prevented I would wish something more had been done, but what is currently done only seems inadequate in terms of enforcement currently.
Having said that I generally feel road safety is quite poor, and far more should be done in general - but without inpinging on reasonable freedoms.
Having said that I generally feel road safety is quite poor, and far more should be done in general –
Hard to disagree with this
but without inpinging on reasonable freedoms.
Is saying you shouldnt drink and drive and making the limit much lower that big a deal? Struggling to see how its such a big issue for people unless they are actually much more dependent on drink than they think.
Motorcycle magazine in the noughties did a track day test to see how booze, drugs, cold and tiredness affected riding capability. Obviously they all had a negative effect, but I was very surprised by both tiredness and extreme cold.
They also did combinations and tired and cold left you way worse than being over the limit.