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I'll be clear from the outset that I'm sufficiently British to recognise that the correct course of action is to mutter to my self in a very loud internal monologue and pretend everything is fine. Unfortunately I'm also a millennial so I post about it on the internet.
I've ordered a venison pie, it's very tasty and also reasonably priced however, it's turned up in a 7" ramekin and is clearly a casserole with a hat, short crust at least, but there's no ignoring the blatant fact, that it's a stew with a cruton.
It is a very tasty pottage with a bonnet but that is what it is.
Am I being unreasonable thinking I should send it back and wishing unspeakably inconvenient happenstance upon the chef all the while nodding and tell the barman it's very good?
Grow some balls! Send an email and complain of false advertising 😉
I tried but Google failed to turn up an address for the ceo.
Maybe I should have used chat gpt 🤷🏿♂️
clearly a casserole with a hat,
Complain away...that is an abomination 😂
You are following the correct British routine of a complaint to your favourite unrelated forum and then saying to the waiter(ess) "Mmm, lovely thank you".
I had ‘venison pie’ that was really stew with a hat. To add insult - they’d completely run out of hats. So it was undeniably ’stew’ but they still insisted on calling it ‘pie’
Take it outside and throw it at the largest window, thatll teachem .........****ers
I hope it wasn't too dear...
It's an ashet pie, get over it.
In a pub with @nbt , @Bunnyhop and a couple of friends, I ordered a steak & kidney pie.
To my mind, what arrived was a pie. A ****ing delicious pie, one of the best S&K pies I've ever had. NBT did not consider it a pie at all, it was apparently a stew with a hat on.
I put it down to him being jealous of the overall delicious-ness of my pie.
Happened to me at Tittesworth Reservoir earlier this week. Ordered a chicken and leek pie and got a stew with what appeared to be a paving slab made from pastry on top. I was angry on the inside but complimentary to the staff in the cafe.
put it down to him being jealous of the overall delicious-ness of my pie.
I'm sorry to say we have had to address this before on the forum and NBT is right. What you have described is not a pie it is a casserole with a pastry hat. It may be very tasty but it is not a pie.
Savoury exceptions to that are limited to fish, shepherds and cottage.
To me a pie has to be able to stand up on a plate without the aid of additional crockery. This definitely fails that test.
Clearly not being unreasonable but there are mitigations on behalf of the miscreants providing it, namely the use of shortcrust over the abomination that would be a [spits on the floor] puff pastry hat.
To me a pie has to be able to stand up on a plate without the aid of additional crockery. This definitely fails that test.
Best definition I've seen.
I hope it wasn’t too dear…
How soon till we can have a "Dislike" button?
When I’m running the world (not long now comrades) describing something nor completely encased in (proper) pastry as a pie will be punishable by life imprisonment with no chance of parole
Technically it’s a crime against humanity and needs to be treated as such
I got mugged off on here for having the audacity to complain that my pizza was shite.
However, you're eating a pie so balls up and say something*.
*probably too late now as you're at home and you happily paid full price on sub standard grub**.
** standard procedure in the UK
When I’m running the world (not long now comrades) describing something nor completely encased in (proper) pastry as a pie will be punishable by life imprisonment with no chance of parole
Slop and top is generally an abomination but there are exceptions. Tray based meat and potato pie (as served in pubs for darts or pool teams) should only have a top made of thick short crust pastry.
If you can't pick it up with one hand (or two for the smaller handed/more generously sized pie) without all the bits burning your hand and falling through your fingers, it's not a pie.
I also agree that the savoury exceptions are fish, shepherd's and cottage.
Name and shame the eatery, and/or post a humourous passive aggressive Trip Advisor review.
Next time put on your big boy pants and tell them it's not a pie, regardless of how delicious it was.
I think there are a few secret Fray Bentos aficionados posting on here. You know who you are, go and sit on the naughty step
Next time, ask in advance of ordering. Then you know, and can opt to leave the pub/restaurant/cafe without such disappointment and take your business elsewhere...
It doesn't just happen with pies. I ordered tartiflette and got roast new potatoes and bacon lardons in a creamy sauce instead of the expected cheesy gratin. I didn't complain to the pub staff so will seize the chance to gripe here.
It doesn’t just happen with pies. I ordered tartiflette and got roast new potatoes and bacon lardons in a creamy sauce instead of the expected cheesy gratin. I didn’t complain to the pub staff so will seize the chance to gripe here.
My cousin once mispronounced tartiflette as tarte fille on a ski trip, the waiters facial expression was great as he tried to work out what a pie girl was.
Where does a shepards pie land?
No sides and a potato lid yet still a pie?
Pay attention! This is important!!!
Savoury exceptions to that are limited to fish, shepherds and cottage.
What about a slice of pie? That won’t stand up on its own and will leak out the good bits. Would you consider a pastry wedge and leaked filling as pie, or would said pie filling have to still be in the wedge?
Also, fruit pie? I’m not saying a crumble or cobbler should be a pie, but does an apple pie have to have a pastry base?
Also, fruit pie? I’m not saying a crumble or cobbler should be a pie, but does an apple pie have to have a pastry base?
Yes. Otherwise it's just a tart with its bum in the air.
What about a slice of pie?
I am however completely in agreement that a [slice of] pie is definitely still pie.
I ordered tartiflette and got [s] roast new potatoes and bacon lardons in a creamy sauce instead of the expected cheesy gratin. [/s] precisely what I deserved
FTFY (assuming you were in the UK)
Next time, ask in advance of ordering
My 84 year old dad does this. Serving staff live in fear of him turning up if pie is on the menu, as he goes to great lengths to avoid being tricked into ordering a "slop and top".
Where does a shepards pie land?
No sides and a potato lid yet still a pie?
Yes, but everyone knows what it is so there shouldn't be any confusion or disappointment.
For everything else I've taken to asking serving staff "is it an actual pie?"
You English get really hung up on the weirdest shit. It's like the whole SAUSAGES CAN ONLY BE MADE FROM PORK nonsense all over again.
Should probably cut down on the pies if your blood pressure is that bad.
Yes, it's bad. Criminal almost.
Just don't get me started on 'carbonara' made with cream.
*I can just about forgive pancetta instead of guanciale**
Where does a shepards pie land?
I've explained this on STW before. A potato pie, for example, is a pie containing potatoes. A Shepherd's Pie is the name of a dish, despite its nomenclature it is no more an actual pie than it contains shepherds. See also, Beef Wellington.
You English get really hung up on the weirdest shit. It’s like the whole SAUSAGES CAN ONLY BE MADE FROM PORK nonsense all over again.
We just have standards, mate. 😁
The whole sausages row was just another Slow News Day attack on vegans that Piers Organ gleefully inserted himself into the centre of. It's the name of the shape, no-one ever whined about calling turkey sausages anything other than sausages.
I got mugged off on here for having the audacity to complain that my pizza was shite.
IIRC part of your complaint was on the basis that your Neapolitan style pizza had a soft and doughy crust only to have it pointed out that under the pizza regs that is the correct form of a Neapolitan. https://www.pizzanapoletana.org/en/ricetta_pizza_napoletana
If someone can show me the international pie regs allowing 'slop with a top' - I'm nicking that for future use - I'll eat my hat (or a savoury snack item with the same name as a hat, let's not be daft about it)
What about a slice of pie? That won’t stand up on its own and will leak out the good bits
You’ve clearly never been treated to the legendary Cow Pie at the George in Keswick. Definitely stands up on its own and no leakage
That is most definitely a proper pie
Meh, it's just lower Carb innit. IMO you're being slightly unreasonable. But that's just me.
I remember being with a friend in a cafe ordered the "no-pastry quiche" out of what he said was curiosity, when it arrived he berated the poor girl who brought it because it was clearly a Frittata. He was technically correct, but still went down slightly in everyone's estimation...
Pick your battles when it comes to catering.
For everything else I’ve taken to asking serving staff “is it an actual pie?”
Same here. I've had them trying to do verbal gymnastics to explain that yes it's a pie but it is encased in crockery rather than pastry. But (and I'm ready for the backlash) sometimes, despite knowing that it's actually a stew with a lid, I've ordered it anyway and enjoyed it.
sometimes, despite knowing that it’s actually a stew with a lid, I’ve ordered it anyway and enjoyed it.
I enjoyed mine enough I'm headed back to the same purveyor of beer and food and possibly* going to order it again, it was very tasty it was not a pie.
I remember being with a friend in a cafe ordered the “no-pastry quiche” out of what he said was curiosity, when it arrived he berated the poor girl who brought it because it was clearly a Frittata. He was technically correct, but still went down slightly in everyone’s estimation…
So be ordered what was clearly going to be a either frittata or tortilla or best, got what was clearly a frittata and then complained about the fact it was exactly what it was going to be? There are a selection of words for people like that, none will pass the swear filter.
You English get really hung up on the weirdest shit. It’s like the whole SAUSAGES CAN ONLY BE MADE FROM PORK nonsense all over again.
Did I miss a memo? Sausages from beef and venison are lovely and very much sausages (to be absolutely clear according to Mrs S I'm so English it's painful to her Ulster upbringing).
Did I miss a memo?
I'm pretty sure this is actually a French thing and legally steaks burgers and sausages can only be made of [predominantly] meat.