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Overreacting much ?
No, just fed up of condescending pricks on here. I'm not over reacting at all. Quite chilled actually. You made a bunch of assumptions and tried a funny Siri joke that didn't land. It's a TV show, that's it.
That’s odd, because swearing at people and calling them “pricks” in response to a gentle joke you say “didn’t land” certainly looks a lot like overreacting. But do crack on - it always gives me a bit of a laugh when people describe what sort of parent they’re planning to be.
Swearing is just words. Nothing more or less. I call friends much worse in an affectionate way. To be fair, you're also coming across as a bit of a prick. I've been a parent for many years already and also raised my younger brother who is now an adult. That included monitoring his internet usage and he's a fully functioning adults despite my strict parenting
Your post was condescending, simple as and you continue to prove my point. What sort of parent I'm planning to be, really? Anyway, thread derailed. I just think that people are over reacting to and placing too much onus on what is a piece of entertainment. My opinion that's it.
because it would stimulate discussion on exactly the issues it raises: Sharing nudes, social media comments, role models, gender stereotypes, incel culture (and the whole Andrew Tate 80/20 nonsense), the consequences of your actions, the consequences of giving a friend a knife, even the role of teachers. Your response seems to be its make believe not real life - someone with recent experience of the school system (in a well regarded school, frequented by mostly middle class kids) is telling you it’s remarkably realistic - your attitude seems to be “it won’t happen to my kid”. She’s telling you if he’s not the murderer he might be the accomplice, the victim, the best friend.Why? It is a drama series, specifically made to bring out emotion. I'm simply not impacted by drama in that way. It didn't go into enough detail surrounding the why, motivations, the child's mental state etc. Open to way too much interpretation to be essential, at least in my opinion. If it were a documentary about an actual event I would probably have a different opinion.
If your own experience or imagination is unable to fill in the uncertainty from the story line - perhaps you need to be talking to some older teenagers to understand.
good luck with that, even if you control what he does at home you will not stop him completely; in fact the more taboo/contraband you make it the more likely it is to be attractive. Calling people sanctimonious because their reality of parenting teenagers might not be what you think probably doesn’t give you the moral high ground.My son doesn't have any access to the internet as yet. When he does it'll be strictly controlled. He won't be sat in his room at 13 watching whatever he chooses at all hours.
but very soon he will be at a different school with a whole load of other influences vying for his attention, hormones raging. People don’t become Andrew Tate (or similar) fans because their parents recommend him, or because they couldn’t find any positive role models.He is also surrounded by good male and female role models.
It would be very tempting to read the media attention around knives and assume that it’s a gang culture / drug world problem and nice kids from good backgrounds don’t become the attackers or the victims.
however, calling a stranger on a bike forum a prick because you didn’t like his views on your parenting has a certain irony when discussing a drama where a key part of the story is how people react to online comments - wouldn’t you say?
Its not very often TV can be so gripping and powerful. I think it is the most impactful programme I have seen since Its A Sin.
Caught the first few minutes but had other stuff to do so it's on the backburner for now. It did have that sort of whiff to it, probably a bit grittier!
Where's the dividing line between 'it's my opinion and can't therefore be wrong' and 'in the light of everyone else's opinion, maybe I'm wrong'
Because I'm prepared on this one to say it's your opinion but you're wrong 😉
Brilliant TV, technically, emotionally and for the subject covered.
IKR?
This place must be special. I've never seen so many people saying they didn't think it was that good?
Like, name something better!??
Like, name something better!??
Black Snow, that was much better TV, The Wire, that was better too. Trumpton was good bitd. A kind of loving (the Joanne Whaley version) that was much better.
I'm sure I can think of plenty of TV that was better given that better is completely subjective and some people like things and some people don't. Not sure why people get so vexated about that here
As someone who hasn't watched it yet, I thought this article was interesting. I think the key thing I got was that kids need to do mixed activities from quite a young age so boys see girls as people. Our Scout leaders always say the unit dynamics change for the better when girls are in a unit, and you can see the lads who don't have sisters mature.
BBC News - 'I've not heard of incel before': Teenager dissects Adolescence with his worried parents
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93nzv49dg2o
The article is timely, I heard three different radio phone ins yesterday, all discussing this with Adolescence as the kicking off point, and unsurprisingly there wasn't a single teenager (unsurprisingly) in any of the conversations.
I didn't think it was that good. The concept is interesting, i thought the kids in particular where all excellent. The topic is pretty grim.
But I actually find Stephen Graham a bit boring. And on this occasion its all a bit "wrote the theme tune, sing the theme tune" aswell. And the final episode was straight up tedious.
Watched episode 3 last night - I'm a million mile away from being in performing arts so I was constantly amazed by how anyone could remember that amount of dialogue AND act/ignore the film crew hovering around for the hour of the single take.
But I actually find Stephen Graham a bit boring.
I don't think an interesting/dynamic plumber was needed in this. The mundanity was a big part of the story.
Episode 4 did feel weaker, especially if viewed straight after 3 like we did.
Didn't pick up my phone for the full four hours of this which is very rare nowadays - there's usually some mental drift.
Didn't pick up my phone for the full four hours of this which is very rare nowadays - there's usually some mental drift.
Yeah, I was the same. I often have a couple of beers if we're watching a bit of TV, but I barely even picked up my glass while watching it.
Watched it, thought it was ok. Superb cinematography and cleverly filmed to achieve the one take episodes but potentially the one take thing retracted from the quality of the storytelling, for example the relationship with the policeman and his son, and I don’t think it made sense the jump in Jamie from being called an incel to murdering, and really as it’s fiction could’ve been better explained as there’s not the context of a real life event to close the gaps. Episode three the highlight, the lad who plays Jamie’s acting is excellent.
Think it’s a terrible idea showing it in schools, will alienate its target audience who are already the most disadvantaged at schools. Also it’s fiction! Imagine if we had lessons for young ****stani lads about not joining grooming gangs, or Rwandans to not stab three girls at a Taylor Swift dance class. It’s not fair to alienate the majority for the actions of a few, least of all when it’s not even a true story.
There’s also incredible irony that a show featuring a properly crap school where they were only watching videos, will now be shown in schools.
*edit* not sure why STW filters the first 4 letters in the name of a real country
Think it’s a terrible idea showing it in schools, will alienate its target audience who are already the most disadvantaged at schools.
I tend to think that many older people do teenagers a disservice by assuming that they're incapable of grasping nuance and subtlety.
I don’t think it made sense the jump in Jamie from being called an incel to murdering, and really as it’s fiction could’ve been better explained as there’s not the context of a real life event to close the gaps
Last week a court in Glasgow dealt with a 13y old who killed another teenager with a knife over £50 and some resulting angry exchanges on social media.
today a court in Edinburgh sentenced a 17yr old who stabbed someone seemingly for saying, “calm down Harry Potter”.
the point is it doesn’t make sense - neither does real life! And when I went to school we could read and watch Romeo and Juliet, the Great Gatsby or Lord of the Flies and we were expected to discuss the motivations of the characters, not always from the position that the bad guy was bad. We managed to do that with fictional stories but they weren’t very relatable.
Think it’s a terrible idea showing it in schools, will alienate its target audience who are already the most disadvantaged at schools.
I tend to think that many older people do teenagers a disservice by assuming that they're incapable of grasping nuance and subtlety.
I’m early Gen Z, my siblings are Gen Alpha (had to google when Gen Alpha is tbf)
I don’t think it made sense the jump in Jamie from being called an incel to murdering, and really as it’s fiction could’ve been better explained as there’s not the context of a real life event to close the gaps
Last week a court in Glasgow dealt with a 13y old who killed another teenager with a knife over £50 and some resulting angry exchanges on social media.
today a court in Edinburgh sentenced a 17yr old who stabbed someone seemingly for saying, “calm down Harry Potter”.
The Glasgow example, they were members of rival gangs. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0zxrpy78o.amp
And the Edinburgh example, stabbing someone you were fighting moments before is also more believable as shocking as it is. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c705z18vgrgo.amp
potentially the one take thing retracted from the quality of the storytelling
100% agree