[Closed] Absolute Animals

The beautiful game. Makes you proud to be British. Engerland!

It's not "unbelievable," it's exactly what I'd have expected. The (even more) sad part of this is that if England had won it'd likely have been worse. I can only hope that this lot of ****knuckles aren't representative of everyone else who was there.

[obligatory tangential brexit reference]

It says that those people who are getting punched are those without tickets.

Oh, well, that's alright then.

Not sure how that makes it acceptable to punch a fleeing child in the face.

I clicked on the link and didn't see any "unbelievable footage", I'm sorry to say. Add the apparently expected 38% rise in DV following an England loss to the visible assholes and it's a sorry picture all round.

I hope that person punching the kid is found and given a long long time inside.

Flaming hell, the Gammons are getting angrier! That's someone's Dad punching all around him. Embarassing, depressing stuff.

Sent to me by both German and Italian colleagues this morning.

Neither nation gets to be high horsed about football violence do they, I mean its not solely an English disease is it?

Heck they pretty much closed off access to central Rome last night, banned having glass bottles in public after 7pm (I think) and so on in fear of what would happen after the game.

It's the fact that many (if not most) of the folk dishing out the punches and kicks are clearly looking for opportunities for violence that it's clear that's what they're there for. Check out the tallish thin guy in the brown check shirt and shorts for example.

I agree its not acceptable in any mind.

It also seems to be people swinging for anything. Which just shows how mindless these people are.

https://twitter.com/Urban_Pictures/status/1414241047883001856

Leicester Square at 4pm yesterday. Four hours before the game started.

But yeah. ****ing imigrunts rooinin are ****ry. Obvs.

Needs a title change. I can't think of any animal that acts out of such mindless malice.

England in a tournament brings out some of the worst people in society. I wish this would have changed since I realised it in the 90s but I'm not surprised to learn it hasn't. Probably a good job we lost.

The beautiful game. Makes you proud to be British. Engerland!

Still got two minutes to correct that Cougar....

Its a shame the police weren't able to surround the building and pull them out one by one for some hard judicial action. That's always been a hope of mine when i see this level of violence, but they act such and seem to always get away with it. The perpetrators are there and easy to spot.
£1000, £2500 fines handed out en-masse or some real lengths of time spent in a 6x8 cell would probably do more to curb their inhibitions, than a 60 quid public order fine, which is peanuts and doesn't dissuade anyone.

I thought this thread would be about Priti Patel, is disappoint.

I'm just listening to our plant manager ranting in his office,

"this is the one circumstance when the police should be armed and just shoot the ****!"

I'm finding it hard to disagree! 🤣

Why are they getting so upset and violent about others without tickets getting in? Is it because they have borrowed thousands they haven't got from Quickquid or whatever for their tickets and that plus booze gives them the right to swing at anything moving in a gammony rage?

Still got two minutes to correct that Cougar….

Nah, the dissonance was intentional.

But yeah. ****ing imigrunts rooinin are ****ry. Obvs.

Have you got some kind of ex-mod swear filter avoidance privileges? 🙂

Its a shame the police weren’t able to surround the building and pull them out one by one for some hard judicial action. That’s always been a hope of mine when i see this level of violence, but they act such and seem to always get away with it. The perpetrators are there and easy to spot.

Well, the perps weren't women attending a vigil, so that's absolutely fine.

Why are they getting so upset and violent about others without tickets getting in?

Because it's a handy excuse to justify kicking people with a slight tan in the head. They could equally as likely got all fighty because someone had bought pizza with pineapple on it.

Why are they getting so upset and violent about others without tickets getting in? Is it because they have borrowed thousands they haven’t got from Quickquid or whatever for their tickets and that plus booze gives them the right to swing at anything moving in a gammony rage?

Why on earth do you think they're poor ?

Have you got some kind of ex-mod swear filter avoidance privileges? 🙂

I can't help the S****horpe Problem.

A lot of chubsters there!

£1000, £2500 fines handed out en-masse or some real lengths of time spent in a 6×8 cell would probably do more to curb their inhibitions, than a 60 quid public order fine, which is peanuts and doesn’t dissuade anyone.

£60 public order fines are a convenience because the court system can't handle the workload. Football Banning Orders are a common result when they do make it to court.

Police Scotland are still identifying and prosecuting people from George Square trouble after Rangers won the league - I'd hope that the Met will be similarly persistent as all this footage should make it easy to do. I suspect though the main focus will be on how the security was breached rather than the vigilantes enforcing it. I'd be happy to see those breaching security also prosecuted, but there's some nasty shit there even if your aim was to do the stewards job for them - kicking at someone's head when they are on the ground, potentially jail time for that.

I've never really understood it, do any other Sports attract this sort of behaviour? They supposed to be the minority, but is it the same minority that turn up every time?

They could equally as likely got all fighty because someone had bought pizza with pineapple on it.

At least that would be more justified. (Joking)

The fact football seems to be the only sport that attracts this level of knuckle dragging tribalism is something I don't understand. It's not like rugby and cricket spectators don't get trolleyed and make fools of themselves, but they don't seem to have the nasty violent side.

Shocking but unfortunately, expected. Football fans being their usual selves, added with a mix of over 12 months of restrictions. Not a good recipe.

Leicester Square FOUR hours before the match. There were folk queuing to get in pubs from opening time. FFS. 8-9 hours of drinking before the match. Many city centres were totally rammed.

All that's coming home is Heard Immunity and a massive rise in Covid. FFS.

Sent to me by both German and Italian colleagues this morning.

Absolutely shocking but I do wonder what type of relationship you have with those colleagues for them to send you this. I would never highlight it to colleagues from those countries if (when) the boot was on the other foot. What is their motive?

It's horrendous but I'd also consider it pretty ****ty of your colleagues to send it to you. England do have a terrible element to their fans but people seem to think we are the only ones with a problem.

Italian clubs have very close links with their hooligan elements so I don't think they can get on any kind of high horse.

Exactly surfer.

Look at all that common sense that BoJo was talking about being displayed there.

Maybe send your Italian colleagues this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10242296/italian-football-ultras-knives-grenades-hooligans-gangsters/

Its a shame the police weren’t able to surround the building and pull them out one by one for some hard judicial action. That’s always been a hope of mine when i see this level of violence, but they act such and seem to always get away with it. The perpetrators are there and easy to spot.

If the police were able to surround the building effectively on short notice, then they should have done it before the match, to stop people without tickets getting in.

I am not in any way condoning the violence that happened, but I am massively shocked that in a modern stadium like Wembley, people were able to get through security without tickets.
You would think Hillsborough would have made a difference to how this was policed, but apparently not.

Not condoning violence but, hypothetically if everyone sat on their hands and it had been another Hillsborough, would we all be here saying "I'd have done something to stop them getting in", a bit of the STW staples, owned with bombers, fist pie (and mash, being London and football-related), then bum their dog?

Rather than the slight weirdness of this thread getting all frothing mouthed and angry at the idea that other people are getting frothing mouthed and angry (but it's Ok because they're gammons and you're not).

[edit, beat to the point by 56 seconds]

Absolutely shocking but I do wonder what type of relationship you have with those colleagues for them to send you this. I would never highlight it to colleagues from those countries if (when) the boot was on the other foot. What is their motive?

I was thinking that too. Did they send a video of school shootings to their US colleagues, 9/11 to Muslim colleagues etc. Or is this an anti England thing?

I talk to them all day everyday. Like they are in the next office. The conversation was along the lines of
"what about the fighting?"
"What fighting?"
"This."

Not trying it on. Just a conversation.

You would think Hillsborough would have made a difference to how this was policed, but apparently not.

I suppose the issue is at least partially that you can't lock fire exits when people are inside, which presumably makes them relatively easy to jimmy open or perhaps some steward took an ill-advised shortcut out and got mobbed, maybe we'll find out.

Whereas in Hillsborough they were let in the wrong gates to attempt to alleviate crowding.

Can a chuck in a slightly different but more positive football and cycling related story.

The Chris Hoy velodrome is opposite Celtic Park.

We were there for the track cycling, Euros I think, a few years ago.  Our session ended just as the crowd left Celtic Park.

So there we are in a crowd of Union Jack drapped cycling fans as the tricolour waving folk of Glasgow arrive.

Uh oh, thinks I.

Actually we got asked in a slightly confused tone why we had Union Jacks outside Celtic Park (technically our family didn’t but hey).

The cycling.

Instant interest and how does track cycling work and who won and was anyone riding they’d have heard of.

Genuinely lovely conversations with folk who were just interested.

YMMV

As expected 🙁

how that makes it acceptable to punch a fleeing child in the face.

it's an impressive amount of emotive spin you've used there, but that "fleeing child" had just forced his way past police and security to get into a stadium without a ticket. And he wasn't really "fleeing" was he, he was breaking in.

I still don't think those administering "justice" were right to do so, but the mob that forced their way in without tickets can hardly claim to be blameless victims can they?

how that makes it acceptable to punch a child in the face.

Better?

I was thinking that too. Did they send a video of school shootings to their US colleagues, 9/11 to Muslim colleagues etc. Or is this an anti England thing?

Surely it's about time we looked at how others perceive us, in order to gain a more objective perspective, instead of conveniently falling back on idealised images we have of ourselves? The fact is that we have a growing problem of anger, xenophobia and violence amongst let's face it, white men, in the same way the USA has. Growing far-right wing sentiments, fuelled by the 'divide et imperium' policies engineered by the ruling elites. Where is the challenge to this behaviour? Our prime minister and government are actively encouraging such people with dog-whistle and even overt racism, there is the spectre of fascism looming over us more than at any other time since WW2, and a mainstream press controlled by those same elites who want us all to be at each others' throats, fighting over scraps, docile and incapable of challenging the status quo. instead of just bleating 'but what about x,y and z', how about we look at ourselves for a change. Because this situation isn't going to change until we do.

As for those insinuating that 'football' is the root cause; it's just that football is far and away the most popular sport, in both participation and spectatorship, than any other. I've seen drunken racist rugby crowds at Richmond station, and in London, and even a mob of drunken cricket fans at St.Johns Wood station, so that same alchohol-fuelled jingoistic belligerence isn't exclusive to one sport. I'm sure if table tennis or synchronised swimming were as popular as football is, you'd still get the same kind of trouble makers attending major events. Tribalism just needs an excuse, any will do.

How long do we reckon it will take one of the bullying pieces of filth to claim they thought the tanned fellow running towards them was a suicide bomber (on account of his Asian appearance) and he was only doing his patriotic duty?

'Shameless' looks more like a documentary every day.

Rather than the slight weirdness of this thread getting all frothing mouthed and angry at the idea that other people are getting frothing mouthed and angry

The difference being, over on STW people are typing forum posts in various degrees of disappointment, embarrassment, upset, righteous indignation and / or fury, rather than punching out a teenager and kicking someone's head in for the heinous crime of (allegedly) not purchasing a ticket to a sporting event.

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It's not the football that creates it, it is the vehicle. If football didn't exist do you think these types would cease to exist? They'd hijack another vehicle instead. There is trouble at rugby, https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/aug/10/hooliganism-threat-rugby-league

and I've heard racist language at the cricket too, has also been reported https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49631844

just as examples.

There is a thick seam of racism in the country that is being empowered by recent events. Football needs to do what it can to stop it happening but they can only do that at games / in the grounds and by setting an example where it can. Football has not caused it, nor can it cure it in society at large.

Don’t understand why everyone always picks on the English fans. The vids are clearly bad but comments always miss out the point that it’s a global tribalist movement around football. If you think this is bad you should try looking for footage of the below in action:

Argentina / Boca Juniors
Turkey / Galatasaray
Scotland / Rangers + Celtic
Spain / Real + Barca booing their own players before kicking off.

Then go an watch the average arsenal match full of IT project managers eating prawn sandwiches while watching the game. They are so well behaved their ground is called the Library.

If there was no football the same people would just congregate around another activity…

for the heinous crime of (allegedly) not purchasing a ticket to a sporting event.

Bit more than that, let's be honest. I didn't buy a ticket either, but I didn't storm the gates, attack the stewards and force entry, I stayed at home and watched it instead.

Not saying the response was appropriate, but the actions provoked 'a' response.

It’s close to home so we are seeing it in the news, but throughout Europe this type of violence is still prevalent. There’s very much an anti English sentiment about it on here, but that’s because it’s easy to sit and point the finger.
There’s been very recent cases of Ultras from Italy attacking English fans, both here and in Italy.
Germany and Russia have a big problem with professional far right Ultras.
South America is no better, probably worse. Not just the big clubs like Fluminense and the Flanengo, but even Peru has its fair share of football violence. Worth reading about Universitario.

This is social violence dressed up as football violence. But governments should be doing more and ensuring they are not adding petrol to already volatile subjects.
This isn’t English scum or animals. This is a global problem (yes including Scotland and Wales in this).

I’ve seen drunken racist rugby crowds at Richmond station,

The one thing I've never seen in over 40 years of watching live rugby in Wales, England and Scotland is crowds of drunk racists. Crowds of drunks, yes. Crowds of drunks all drinking in the same place as the opposition, yes. I can count on one hand the occasions of racist abuse I've heard inside a ground during that time, even at tiny little working class towns in the Welsh valleys. I think you might be making this up.

Football, the 'peoples' sport. tickets were £300 minimum weren't they?

No excuses for forcing entry, no excuses for punching kids, and no excuses for blatant racism. But all of these things happen.

Football is about red vs blue, me vs you, if we lose, it's because it was unfair, if we win it's because we was [sic] better than you.

I despair of the people who carry out acts of violence in the name of sport, racism, nationalism, religion or for that matter relationships. But then I've never been a massive fan of the human race, it's both the best and worst of everything, but the stuff we tend to see more of is the worst.

I didn't watch the game and I cringe a bit everytime I see St George's cross, partly because of how it is used by so many of the groups mentioned above.

the tricolour waving folk of Glasgow

Glasgow has a Tricolor?

There is a thick seam of racism in the country that is being empowered by recent events.

Eff tee eff why. Hate to break it to you mate, but it ain't all that recent. It all got a bit nasty a generation after we first drafted in a load of brown people to help bail us out after the war. It goes quiet occasionally but it's been 'empowered' by many things over the years.

We used to have race wars in the high school playgrounds in the 80s and it wasn't even 'recent' back then then either.

FWIW, for my part as a child I never understood it, why hate someone because they've got a bit of a tan? When it all kicked off I used to hide in the corridors with a couple of mates, a flask of Bovril and a lemon curd sandwich.

Don’t understand why everyone always picks on the English fans.

Because it's where, for the purposes of this conversation, "everyone" lives. If we were in Italy we'd likely be posting about the Ultras instead, but we don't so we aren't.

a flask of Bovril and a lemon curd sandwich.

Absolute animal

Totally unacceptable for people to be taking the law into their own hands and assaulting people breaking into the stadium without tickets. However I also have zero sympathy for those on the receiving end of the beatings - they also made a choice to break the law (and potentially endanger others in doing so).

England in a tournament brings out some of the worst people in society

You mean a Football tournament. You dont get this kind of violence from cycling fans.

The fact football seems to be the only sport that attracts this level of knuckle dragging tribalism is something I don’t understand. It’s not like rugby and cricket spectators don’t get trolleyed and make fools of themselves, but they don’t seem to have the nasty violent side.

We have regular international matches in football, cricket and rugby in Cardiff and the matchday crowds for rugby and cricket are, on the whole, good natured and fun to be part of. Plenty of drunken people but they just get on with making themselves look silly, emptying their wallets and letting their hair down. Football matches can easily make the city centre a no-go area, especially for women. It says something that when we had the Champions League final the security thrown at it was just as mad as when the NATO Summit was here with sealed manhole covers, blocked off roads for days on end and restricted access for locals and deliveries. For everything else it's just the immediate roads closed for 2 hours before and after the match.

It’s not the football that creates it, it is the vehicle. If football didn’t exist do you think these types would cease to exist? They’d hijack another vehicle instead. There is trouble at rugby, https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/aug/10/hooliganism-threat-rugby-league

and I’ve heard racist language at the cricket too, has also been reported https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49631844

just as examples.

I put the difference down to the hooligans and racists are massively in the minority for other sports so that peer pressure from the other fans keeps a lid on anything that happens. The fans fully support bans from matches and club supporters groups stamp it out at that level so it never has a chance to fully develop. Football on the other hand seems to let things fester and build far too often with a lot of clubs having a long history of violence (like the local rivalry between Cardiff City and Swansea) that inevitably happens every time and nothing seems to be done by it. Hell, some groups look forward to the violence more than the matches!

If there was no football the same people would just congregate around another activity…

Apparently in some parts of France the local Petanque leagues have attracted violence and mob involvement in gambling etc!

Eff tee eff why. Hate to break it to you mate, but it ain’t all that recent. It all got a bit nasty a generation after we first drafted in a load of brown people to help bail us out after the war. It goes quiet occasionally but it’s been ’empowered’ by many things over the years.

Never said it was recent. It has always been racist but sometimes the racists get pushed underground and at other times things happen that re-empower them (does the re- make it better for you?)

Yes, recent things like Farage, Brexit, and a prime minister that absolutely has history in it, and who failed to condemn it only 3 weeks ago. The tide ebbs and flows, and I'd hope that with each change it goes out a little further, but there is no doubt it's on its way in right now.

I’ve seen violence at Rugby and Cricket. Anti English from the Wales fans (I’m Welsh). Especially at the old Cardiff Arms Park. Cardiff after the game was pretty rough……even though I’m Welsh I’ve lived in England the majority of my life so I don’t sound Welsh. Somewhat nervous around the bars.
Cricket violence was Brisbane for the Ashes, approx 2002, can’t quite remember the exact year. Fighting inside the ground, car parks and the bars that evening. The inside the ground fight was a couple of scuffles with some of the Aussies not liking the “banter” from the barmy army.
When I was racing (road), a lot of my winter weekends were spent in Snowdonia. Again a fair amount of xenophobic / anti English comments made to me about me watching the 6 nations in certain pubs.

It’s part of human nature to be tribal. I don’t know the solution, but I know pointing fingers towards one group isn’t the answer.

By the way, I watched the game with my Welsh family, English family and friends, nice and peacefully at home, as did approx 25 million other folks.

Glasgow has a Tricolor?

I'm assuming he means the Irish one.

The inevitable saving face backlash after the England fans frilly pink knickers were on display in France, when the big boys turned up and sparked-em out of their Crocs!

Strangely enough the shitbags didn't fancy getting their beer bellies punched right in, over in Russia.

Never said it was recent. It has always been racist but sometimes the racists get pushed underground and at other times things happen that re-empower them (does the re- make it better for you?)

That makes more sense, yes. Apologies if I misunderstood.

Absolute animal

I was young and reckless, don't judge me.

Also, my gran made up my packed lunch.

I’m assuming he means the Irish one.

Ah right. So, what, some sort of Gallic camaraderie?

Oh, were you expecting anti-English sentiment from them, is that the angle? Sorry, sports references (even cycling) are broadly lost on me.

Ah right. So, what, some sort of Gallic camaraderie?

Oh, were you expecting anti-English sentiment from them, is that the angle? Sorry, sports references (even cycling) are broadly lost on me.

You probably need to brush up on your Irish history.......

Cougar - there is a well known rivalry between two Glasgow football teams. One tends to adopt the Union Jack as an emblem, the other the Irish Tricolour.  And yes it may be based on the annals of British and Irish history.
Even after 30 years living in Yorkshire, when I see folk with UJs I tend to check to see if it looks like it’s going to kick off. The UJ is still a sectarian flag in my mind. (Don’t see so many Tricolours in Yorkshire)
But that day they were more interested in what we’d been doing than anything untoward.

Quick question for all those making out that the perpetrators of breaking into the ground weren't guilty of anything too serious. Just trying to get into the game without a ticket.

My understanding is they used large numbers to simply overpower ground security. That would most likely involve physical risk to these members of staff. How would you explain this away to someone who maybe went to work for the day and didn't end up going home? Physical force, a heart attack or simple an accident. That is a distinct possibility in such circumstances. I looked at the video and the site security were shitting themselves. In no way do i condone the people assaulting them but i would quite happily have seen them close the doors off and set riot dogs on these people. I wonder whether they would of preferred a knuckle sandwich off Big Bob or being bitten to pieces by a trained GS.

Is part of the problem that these peopme don't see any consequences of their actions?

Thankfully the days of a big policeman whacking you with a big stick are (mainly) long gone. But the justice system cannot cope, small fine from magistrates is no financial penalty, no chance of prison showing them the error of their ways, little social repercussions in their own echo chamber I imagine.

I genuinely have no idea what the solution is.

Is part of the problem that these peopme don’t see any consequences of their actions?

Thankfully the days of a big policeman whacking you with a big stick are (mainly) long gone. But the justice system cannot cope, small fine from magistrates is no financial penalty, no chance of prison showing them the error of their ways, little social repercussions in their own echo chamber I imagine.

The people storming through security and breaking into the stadium, or the people inside ?
All of them deserve to be punished IMO
I do wonder which group would be treated more harshly, but if I had to guess I would say the mob forcing their way into the stadium would come off worse due to how that has ended up previously ?

The guy with the brown skin did seem to be getting more of a kicking than anyone else.

And there were racial epithets being shouted at him.

Other than that, then yeah, just a bunch of patriotic heroes enforcing stadium security.

So ****s punching other ****s basically? And one of them was a teenage ****?

The shocking thing to me isn't the violence (nothing new there), but that a load of pissed, coked-up ****s broke into Wembley and some of them were able to go and watch the game.

Is this our shit version of Trump's supporters storming the Capitol?

Other than that, then yeah, just a bunch of patriotic heroes enforcing stadium security.

As I have previously said (in bold to make it as clear as possible), I am in no way defending the violence.
but both sides involved had really easy ways to avoid it,
Those dishing out the unnecessary violence could have stepped away and not got involved (really simple) .
Those on the receiving end, could have stayed outside and not stormed in and overpowered the stadium security (really simple)

Nobody involved in this is blameless (apart from the stadium security who must have been shitting themselves)

I have been to many rugby and cricket matches over many decades. drunken boorishness is not uncommon but racism and violence? never seen any

Rugby fans are not segregated in the ground - even for fierce rivalry international matches Its just not needed

nastyness at rugby and cricket is a whole level less.

Edit - sorry - mildly racist chanting at Headingly for India / England

It’s not just football & it’s not just England.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/riots-erupt-in-vancouver-after-canucks-loss-1.993707

What is it with people missing the point on here? No; you don't see the level of 'nastiness' at other sports, because the numbers who follow other sports are far, far smaller than football. Go to India, where Cricket is the most popular sport, and you'll find many incidences of (sometimes extreme) violence at matches. The number of actual 'hooligans' in football is relatively very small, but obviously the huge numbers who follow the game mean you'll get larger numbers of thugs, than in other sports. It's just simple maths. Those who want to have an excuse to gather together in gangs for violence, have a ready made vehicle in football. I'd be willing to bet there is more violence at American Football matches than in 'Soccer', in the USA. The sport itself isn't the reason why there is violence. People are.

Bridges - and you miss the point 100 000 ( yes I was there) drunken scots and welsh fans crammed into the old murreyfield - no violence at all before during or after

Fans are not segreagated

i was actually given a ticket by some welsh fans and sat amongst them one match

Scotland / England games to a full house. No violence at all

the thugs follow football - its a simple as that.

A day at the Races is quite an experience now too. It's the ideal place to get pissed, throw-up and have a fight with other groups of stag and hen do's!

A percentage of our population are scum. Always has been and probably always will be.

I wish we could track and trace persistent bellends and send them to an island to be bellends together.

the thugs follow football – its a simple as that.

What's your point caller? Ban football because then we wouldn't have thugs?

Seriously TJ?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-v-england-idiotic-fans-8599135
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42180283
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/watch-massive-brawl-erupt-between-17906103

Even senior members of the Welsh Police saying how bad things are, including comparing it to football.

Wonder why my local team had to put this message out to fans….

https://twitter.com/SaintsRugby/status/1373704641473617920

It’s not just football, football is the excuse.

I personally think the problem is belittled when we just say it’s the Ingerland yobs again. It’s not.