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About to kick off between India and Pakistan?

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Can't see the Trump administration managing to do anything to deescalate it. What worries me is that people aren't more worried about it. I hope they stick to ceremonial posturing rather than going nuclear. 

 

https://twitter.com/siegfriedmuell/status/1919900750332760241

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 7:11 am
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A good can-can sorts out most issues i find.

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 9:03 am
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I've been watching this for a while, it's always a flash point. I know nothing about nuclear weapons but am hoping that, being neighbours, they're too close to each other to use nukes (although I've no idea if they have tactical battlefield nuclear weapons).

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 9:07 am
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This has been a problem for centuries according to President Trump

Seriously though, they usually sort themselves out. India, China and ****stan have relatively frequent border clashes but this is a bit more intense than most.

There's a good article here https://theconversation.com/why-are-india-and-****stan-on-the-brink-of-war-and-how-dangerous-is-the-situation-an-expert-explains-256125

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 9:12 am
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Situation normal then. 

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 9:14 am
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Situation normal then. 

I wouldn't go that far, especially as the US is focussed inward just now.

It'll probably help that ****stan is reportedly low on materiel, partly through supplying Ukraine. I'd like to think that the UK and EU step up to a) defuse this situation and b) maintain supplies to Ukraine

They're down to four days of artillery shells and MLRS rockets according to an Economic Times report, which increases the chances of a nuclear escalation

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 9:32 am
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Can we sort out the swear filter . 

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 9:33 am
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I'm not sure it's any worse than previous clashes, despite Hard Man Modi being involved.

India had to be seen to take action after the attack on the tourist. ****stan has to be seen to respond to that, while not supporting the original attackers.

It's in both sides interests to step back and let the tourists get confidence to go back to the area and pay into the economy there.

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 9:39 am
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Last nights headline of ****stan claiming the destruction of Indian jets as a response suggested an attempt at de-escalation to me. The initial reporting suggested they were downed while attacking but later that it was a separate step. Claiming something they have already done in defence as a response for the home audience without eliciting a further response from India.

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 9:42 am
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OP: that clip is just Wagah border crossing, it's a daily ceremonial gate-closing that's gradually become a choreographed dance of prancing and flag waving. As you can hear, on the Indian side people drive out from Amritsar every evening to see it and cheer; the ****stan side is a bit further from a big city so less well-attended. 

Other than that... it's a concern that Modi has decided to go big on the idea that ****stan actually backed the militants this time; last time (2019?) the Indian air force hit a few sites on the ****stan side of the Line of Control, the ****stan government tutted, and everyone moved on

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 10:27 am
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Swear filter needs some work or this thread will just be a load of * * * * !

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 10:36 am
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Don't we have this regularly every few months/years? "Aaah there's been some skirmish, we're on the brink of nuclear war?!?!" and then it falls off the front pages and all peters out back to normal.

 

Not to play it down too much, but I think both countries have more sense than to let anything like this escalate out of control. It would take something much larger (eg, full blown invasion by one or the other).

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 10:39 am
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Isn't India turning off the water the new, larger bit?  The Indus treaty has been in effect since 1960 but India suspended it last month.  Something like 20% of P-stans GDP is reliant on that water.

 
Posted : 08/05/2025 11:40 am