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Re-naming brexit party as Reform UK and re-launching; anti-lockdown party.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/01/exclusive-nigel-farage-relaunch-brexit-party-reform-uk-new-anti/
I'm not signing up to that rag, it will be everywhere tomorrow.
What a ****.
That's really worrying. He'll appeal to a mindless minority again.
MCTD - it will be the same mindless minority as before with additional covidiot knuckleheads.
No General election for 4 years so who cares?
Bloody hope lock downs are a distant memory by then.
Might get a few council seats in meantime.... Pffft.
Sad to say but the mindless ones were the majority.
Split the ****wit vote.
We all made the mistake of ignoring him for the Brexit vote, don't make the same mistake twice!!
I'll be keeping an eye on what he's up to as it's bound to attract all the idiots and, as we have found out over the last few years, there are a lot of them.
This won't be news to anyone but there is a correlation here.
If you voted Brexit you're likely to be:
Anti mask*
Anti lock down
Pro general conspiracy/ "it's just a cold" mentality
*They don't get that masks have a part, however small, in lessening/ shortening the need for lock downs. It just goes over their heads.
Never trust an anti masker to have washed their hands after having a sh*t either. If they won't take 5 seconds to put a mask on, they won't take 20 seconds to wash their hands after a crap. Before Covid or now.
Definitely not just a money making scan to take money off the gullible and stupid.
oldnpastit
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Definitely not just a money making scan to take money off the gullible and stupid.
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He needs a back up after Trump loses (please, please). He'll then use the "Trump was cheated out of his win, you are being cheated by our system too, reform, reform!!!"
Poop: Haven’t you heard? Farage is the King of Europe! 🤣 So said, the bravest man that Farage has ever met: Donald J Trump!
WTAF is going on in 2020?
Well that's him booked onto the Question Time panel for the next 150 or so episodes.
Why don't they get the guy in the dolphin suit instead.
Hopefully this will severely annoy the incompetents at No 10
I try not to wish harm on others but this could backfire wonderfully and kill two birds with one stone excuse the turn of phrase). Then again, if he did catch it and end up with the long Covid (or worse) no doubt that would be a disguised deep state op to neutralise him.
The pound shop Farage that is Stephen Laxley -Lennon was arrested again yesterday, crying like a baby he’d done nothing wrong. Seems he’s back from Spain and was leading anti-lockdown protest.
Problem is they do attract the hard of thinking and yes both are in it for the attention and money.
Also a nice little reminder to De Pfeffel that the true director of far right politics in the country can splinter Tory support whenever he wants. Just in case he is thinking about trying to get a temporary deal with the EU or some such.
We all made the mistake of ignoring him for the Brexit vote, don’t make the same mistake twice!!
Very much this. Easy in our STW bubble to dismiss, but resonates with a lot of disaffected voters who are more against the main stream than they are for Farage.
Do not give him and his supporters an inch. Call out every lie and deceit and hypocrisy.
Ignore the little corporal at your peril. He is the reason Boris is Prime Minister.
Is there any way we can join his moron patrol and sabotage it internally?
Farage's booze and fags fund must be running low then.
It'll be like his other 'parties' opaque finances with him nailed on as supreme leader with no mechanism to remove him, basically a massive grift.
Local elections in May and I'm sure they'll hoover up some of the vote, feel sorry for all the decent councillors who have to end up dealing with a tin-hat wearing Faragite getting in on their ward.
He was on Good Morning Britain last week spouting anti lockdown crap presumably getting ready for this announcement. His main point was as populist (lacking in facts) as ever
Don't have lockdown because other people are dying of other things in lockdown due to less cancer treatments, suicide etc,.
Unfortunately they didn't bother asking him for the data on how many people that is versus how many would die of Covid with no lockdowns and also how the cancer treatment would have been done with the hospitals overflowing with covid patients
Unfortunately they didn’t bother asking him for the data on how many people that is versus how many would die of Covid with no lockdowns and also how the cancer treatment would have been done with the hospitals overflowing with covid patients
A message the government had consistently failed to get across.
I asked his office to get him to lead a crusade against the WTO the lady on the phone had no idea what it was . When I explained the wto to her and what will happen she said....” that’s worse than being in the EU.”
Total ****ing bellends.
I can’t read the full article, because I don’t want to....he’s a waste of skin. Anyone that sided with Trump and has the mind he does should not have any voice
Sad thing is that plenty of Tory MPs dance to his tune
What a poisonous man he is
Call out every lie and deceit and hypocrisy.
No-one cares about that stuff any more.
No-one cares about that stuff any more.
Some do, but not enough.
What is the conspiracy theory, why are govs around the world imploding economies for no reason/mild flu? Loads of people think the numbers are made up etc but to what end?
We all made the mistake of ignoring him for the Brexit vote, don’t make the same mistake twice!!
Absolutely this.
What is the conspiracy theory, why are govs around the world imploding economies for no reason/mild flu? Loads of people think the numbers are made up etc but to what end?
New World Order, so they control us, alter our DNA. Wake up sheeple.
That’s it.
The pound shop Farage that is Stephen Laxley -Lennon
Overpriced....
At least he's not gone full anti-vaxxer (yet), can see that being his next move....
What is the conspiracy theory, why are govs around the world imploding economies for no reason/mild flu? Loads of people think the numbers are made up etc but to what end?
This is absolutely the danger
Just been arguing with loons on twitter convinced its all a scam, Wikipedia is a leftists tool & the real information is being 'shadow banded'
At least he’s not gone full anti-vaxxer (yet), can see that being his next move….
Give him time..
Poopscoop Full Member
No General election for 4 years so who cares?
This gives the anti-mask, anti-lockdown movement a well connected and media savvy figurehead. This will give the movement more publicity and in the eyes of some increase its legitimacy. It may not influence an election but it will influence public opinion and hence policy.
Argh...
The total ****ing nightmare of it is, there is, at least some merit in a Targeted adaptive isolation strategy, but Farage will twist it into a "its just common sense" "look at Sweden" BS argument, and worse still should that strategy ever actually be followed he won't stop pushing until he followers are gleefully doing the ****ing okey cokey at covid parties and they're dumping corpses in mass graves.
Shirley the security service can plant some dodgy material on his hard drive or make him have an accident?
New World Order, so they control us, alter our DNA. Wake up sheeple.
That’s it.
Yup, Bill Gates and George Soros are secretly lizards and they want to use a fake mass vaccine programme to harvest our human DNA to better control us.
Call out every lie and deceit and hypocrisy.
No-one cares about that stuff any more.
Well, they'd better start caring.
If Boris continues to **** up Covid and Brexit, it is possible that some of his MPs will see the writing on the wall. I know the speculation is that he will walk away after Brexit, but with the public mood as it is, I wouldn't rule out a vote of no confidence in the government or at least a Tory leadership coup next year. They need 2-3 years to distance themselves from this current calamity.
New World Order, so they control us, alter our DNA. Wake up sheeple.
That’s it.
But most of the comments I see on news feeds are by people that couldnt spell DNA much less know what it is!!
MoreCashThanDash
Very much this. Easy in our STW bubble to dismiss, but resonates with a lot of disaffected voters who are more against the main stream than they are for Farage.Do not give him and his supporters an inch. Call out every lie and deceit and hypocrisy.
A lot easier said than done, you can't beat this kind of thing with facts - we saw that in the EU ref. Facts won't matter to their supporters. They're far too invested in their mindset to be able to back down and admit they were wrong anyway.
I've already seen people questioning the covid numbers on my local facebook group page. It's fine to question things but you have to be willing to actually look into it and change your opinions if it turns out to be unfounded.
When I said "yeah okay but the excess deaths?" (with a graph showing this year compared to the average of the last 5 years) that was just ignored.
he won’t stop pushing until he followers are gleefully doing the **** okey cokey at covid parties
What if that really is what it's all about?
Did he announce this on Halloween?
I look forward to chasing him into a Scottish pub in 2021 .
He has already scored a win calling his ‘party’ reform. You can’t get more petty, reactionary or regressive than his politics. Now he’s dressed his dismal bullshit as some noble progressive cause. If the electoral commission don’t say anything trade descriptions should.
He seems to be referencing the Great Barrington Declaration which seems to be some non-SAGE science types arguing for anti-lockdown:
https://gbdeclaration.org/
What do peeps make of this?
If there was a crowd fund for a professional hit could they lock millions of us up?
Asking for a friend.
He must be getting short of cash so is looking for his next bandwagon to exploit and get the gullible to give him cash
He seems to be referencing the Great Barrington Declaration which seems to be some non-SAGE science types arguing for anti-lockdown:
https://gbdeclaration.org/
/blockquote>If it's got Karol Sikora's name on it then it's complete and utter b******s. Quite a few signatories seem to be homeopaths, not epidemiologists.
The bottom line is that Farage doesn't believe in state funded healthcare, nor does he believe in saving lives at the expense of the economy.
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Garrrgh.
Ah the usual it's all wrong and I'll fix it but not offering any actual solutions.
Harry,your friend may not have to do a long jail term.
The pilot of a plane that crashed on election day, injuring Ukip leader Nigel Farage, was given a two-year community order on Friday after a court heard his threats to kill the politician were "a cry for help".
Think that one was lost on most Percy lol
What is the conspiracy theory
It's artificially manufactured by the Chinese in order to weaken the West.
Shame they didn't substitute China for Russia and apply that logic to brexit really.
*They don’t get that masks have a part, however small, in lessening/ shortening the need for lock downs. It just goes over their heads.
IME it mostly goes under their chin.
If you can bring yourself to do it I suggest pinching your nose and having a look at the Daily Wail comments section on this. It reinforces the view above that is it dangerous to ignore him, he is very, very popular with their readers. Like it or no, their readers are voters and there are lots of them.
Nigel isn't actually the interesting character in this, He's just acting as the spokes-gobshite for someone else (IMO)...
My question would be who's paying for him to spout this time?
Is it Aaron Banks again, or someone else?
Farage won't rabble rouse for free.
Mark my words someone, who wants to mobilise malcontent Gammons against wearing masks and closing pubs, is holding some purse strings somewhere in the background.
So who actually benefits if Nige can make mask wearing and lockdown compliance a dog-whistle partisan issue, just like they've managed to do in 'merica?
OK guys, I took one for the team and checked the Daily Hate. Surprisingly enough, there wasn't quite the universal support for him that I expected.
@cookeaa it's probably same as ever. Dark Russian money and sinister hard right American billionaires trying to turn the UK into the US ((which is working really well).
...the Great Barrington Declaration which seems to be some non-SAGE science types arguing for anti-lockdown...
Who are the scientists behind the Great Barrington Declaration?
Quelle surprise, it's the utter vermin who've sponsored decades of climate change scepticism.
The declaration was sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian, free-market think tank headquartered in western Massachusetts. The Institute is in a network of organizations funded by Charles Koch -- a right-wing billionaire known for promoting climate change denial and opposing regulations on business.
No General election for 4 years so who cares?
Its not about that.
Also a nice little reminder to De Pfeffel that the true director of far right politics in the country can splinter Tory support whenever he wants.
This. Its all about disruption, they have done it before.
Just in case he is thinking about trying to get a temporary deal with the EU or some such.
Just making sure the brexit bus doesn't get a puncture before it reaches its destination, remember, Brexit is a vehicle, not the destination.
I do think we shouldn't be pigeon holing and digging at whole groups of people who hold different views and lumping them in with Mr F or calling people stupid on issues like masks and attitudes to lockdown.
These issues ought to be debated openly without fear of personal abuse because they are more complex than "do X, save lives" because doing X may save Covid lives but it might cost others or have wider consequences. It's all a juggling act and we should talk about it like grownups not be brow beating people. If you call people names you're only going to drive in a bigger wedge.
I expect people to comply with the law but if someone wants to express a concern over (say) Brexit or Covid strategy in a reasoned and thought through way they shouldn't be labelled and abused for that. That's a fascist trick and if you want to discourage fascism then don't play that game. Unfortunately there are more liberal/left leaning people who are just heading down that same route of labelling and bashing. This is fuel to the fire.
We should listen and assess what is being said on its merits and it should be discussed with calm courtesy. We won't always agree but in order to move forward we must first behave like we would expect to be treated towards those who do snot share our views. The frothing types won't listen regardless but you might get some engagement from those who are at the fringes.
Unless of course you're openly being bigoted, racist, discriminatory in which case get in the sea.
Last I heard he was planning on putting his weight behind changing our system from FPTP to Proportional representation which would have been upsetting because I'd be worried I'd agree with him.
If it’s got Karol Sikora’s name on it then it’s complete and utter b******s.
He really needs locking up.
Back in those (relatively) halcyon days when TM was PM last year I went to a local pub which I hadn't been to before.
First words I heard when approaching the bar...we need our Nige to sort out that shower of shite in parlianent; followed by grunts of agreement.
He still has an uncomfortably high level of support in the UK.
If, god help us, trump wins he will be further empowered.
TBH, who cares. He's universally accepted by all right thinking people of being a parasite, and his fan base listed the stupidest people in the UK.
EVENTUALLY he'll mess it up for himself, then disappear into obscurity.
At least he’s not gone full anti-vaxxer (yet), can see that being his next move….
Take that down now. He'll jump at any opportunity to stay in the news.
Do you really believe "Mr F" has our best interests at heart?
As for complaining that poor Nige being "labelled and abused" is a "Fascist trick" I think you're missing the point:
Both the UK and US executed "too little, too late" efforts at lockdown once already and that has yielded above average death rates...
Better prepared countries like Korea and economically Poorer nations such as Greece undertook more aggressive lockdowns and allowed themselves to be guided more by public health experts rather than economic imperatives, their death tolls were lower...
So the "great experiment" in CV19 herd immunity has already been carried out during the first wave and it indicated that "letting the virus run it's course" and failing to minimise it's spread through measures that minimise physical interactions will both overwhelm medical resources and result in more deaths and long term health issues for more people...
He's seeking to re-tool his old single issue, Right-wing, nationalist party, whose original purpose is now served, making them largely redundant. To re-focus them on the issue of the day, arguing for a course of action that WILL kill and damage the health of more people...
His argument is based on the bought and paid for "opinions" of a handful of "experts" funded by a Right-wing US think tank...
He has form for engaging in Dog whistle, populism and is doing so again, to what end isn't really all that clear TBH.
This time though the stakes include people's lives and physical well being...
But those of us questioning/challenging/calling him out for the gobshite he is are Fascists?
I think garage dweller makes a fair point. The problem is, I've met very few Brexiteers or Covid deniers who will do any checking of facts to have a discussion with. But insults and mutual bigotry are not the solution the country needs
TBH, who cares. He’s universally accepted by all right thinking people of being a parasite, and his fan base listed the stupidest people in the UK.
Problem is, the right thinking people were in the minority when it mattered.
TBH, who cares. He’s universally accepted by all right thinking people of being a parasite, and his fan base listed the stupidest people in the UK.
EVENTUALLY he’ll mess it up for himself, then disappear into obscurity.
Every right thinking person should care and many, but not enough, do.
As for him eventually stuffing things up, his followers have shown that they will not criticise him and as long as he panders to their base(st) instincts he will retain their support.
Look at yaxley-lennon...he's served at least 4 prison terms and has made multiple court appearances; that makes him a cult hero to his followers.
We're stuck with farage until he drinks himself to death or dies in an accident.
He's a hero to his followers.
insults and mutual bigotry are not the solution the country needs
You know what, You're right.
I don't think those of use with less charitable views of Nige should be 'labelled' as "Fascist" for disagreeing with a Right-wing, Nationalist who apparently want's to use a global pandemic for a bit of "whoopsy accidental Eugenics" Yet here we are...
I always tried to be the better man with the brexit thing. But if he runs with this anti-lockdown madness and I see him in the street I'm going to kick his ****ing head in. He's just picked the populist bandwagon of convenience regardless of how many lives it ends and how much harm it causes, it's not just "brexit but a bit worse", it's harm for its own sake. **** that guy.
Think you've rather missed the point of my post.
Can't abide the man or his politics (very much a fine craft beer socialist / centre left myself) and you can bash his policy or lack thereof all day long as far as I'm concerned.
The point of my post (hastily tapped over lunch while trying to stop our dog stealing my biscuit so forgive any confusion) was the practice of people on here (including in this thread) and more generally on Twitter and Facebook arbitrarily lumping people with different views to them into groups of which they disapprove and automatically ascribing other undesirable attributes to them by being members of that group. If you believe X you must also be Y. Far too black and white and over simplifies and weakens proper understanding of the issues but creates dangerous divisions that then become entrenched.
E.g. the presumption that if you're anti mask wearing/anti lockdown/want a different version of lockdown/the rules you are automatically a Mr F acolyte on all other matters.
People's views on such things may be informed by a variety of factors that include life stage/circumstances, appetite for risk, perception of the benefit it will bring vs. the collateral damage it will cause, their experiences.
It is dangerous to label and define groups based on overly simple characteristics and a single commonality between members, whether that's a protected characteristic or an opinion on public health or their decision to commute by bike.
I expect Mr Johnson likes red wine, so do I but it doesn't make me a Tory.
The man is a cult, he has a cult following and surrounds himself with others who operate as cults (trump).
Absolutely DO NOT think Mr F has our best interests at heart.
Can’t abide the man or his politics (very much a fine craft beer socialist / centre left myself) and you can bash his policy or lack thereof all day long as far as I’m concerned.
The point of my post (hastily tapped over lunch while trying to stop our dog stealing my biscuit so forgive any confusion) was the practice of people on here (including in this thread) and more generally on Twitter and Facebook arbitrarily lumping people with different views to them into groups of which they disapprove and automatically ascribing other undesirable attributes to them by being members of that group. If you believe X you must also be Y. Far too black and white and over simplifies and weakens proper understanding of the issues but creates dangerous divisions that then become entrenched.
E.g. the presumption that if you’re anti mask wearing/anti lockdown/want a different version of lockdown/the rules you are automatically a Mr F acolyte on all other matters.
People’s views on such things may be informed by a variety of factors that include life stage/circumstances, appetite for risk, perception of the benefit it will bring vs. the collateral damage it will cause, their experiences.
It is dangerous to label and define groups based on overly simple characteristics and a single commonality between members, whether that’s a protected characteristic or an opinion on public health or their decision to commute by bike.
I expect Mr Johnson likes red wine, so do I but it doesn’t make me a Tory.
That makes a lot more sense, completely agree. Unfortunately so many of those being talked about aren't interested in talking reasonably or factually. As is so often the case anyone who turns up with inconvenient facts is automatically branded a troll. I'm not sure what the solution is other than an EMP on every data centre.
Apologies then for my triggered conclusion jumping garage_dweller.
Although I have to say, if Nige and his mates have proven anything in recent years it's that calm, conciliatory debate and discussion just doesn't work, not in the face of dog-whistle rhetoric and hyperbolic lying.
I used to think we could conduct our national business in a civilized way. Sadly I don't anymore, fight fire with fire...
I'm going to call a Gammon a Gammon, blame them for all the ills of modern society and shout them down when they try to defend their stupidity... (From the safety of my keyboard of course, I'm not a maniac).
The man is a cult, he has a cult following and surrounds himself with others who operate as cults (trump).
Your spelling needs some work.
@cookeaa no problem/offence taken I blame the at risk chocolate hob nob and the dog for me not making myself very clear the first time! 🙂
calm, conciliatory debate and discussion just doesn’t work, not in the face of dog-whistle rhetoric and hyperbolic lying.
Totally agree. I'm not sure how we do fight that which is pretty scary.
I’m going to call a Gammon a Gammon, blame them for all the ills of modern society and shout them down when they try to defend their stupidity… (From the safety of my keyboard of course, I’m not a maniac).
What does that achieve?
What does any of it achieve? It's much easier to appeal to people's monkey-brain instincts of fear, jealousy, anger etc than it is to persuade people to be rational and nice. The internet is a giant division/hate machine that is proving this beyond doubt. We can be compassionate and reasonable all we like, it won't achieve anything.
Harry - it's the site swear filter at work.
Totally agree. I’m not sure how we do fight that which is pretty scary.
Find a way to shape the discussion to your needs. It's no surprise that Farage is back in political play at the precise point that Brexit deal negotiations are critical, is it? Talking about anything he says is pointless, merely serves his own ends. So if he's back, ignore his agenda, ask about how the Sovereign Kingdom of Kent is going now it's borders have been established. How well the customs issues have been solved. How many lovely trade deals we have. That kind of thing.