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Looking at this page -
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584.json
on the petition website, it shows where the signatures have come from. There are an awful lot from outside the UK.
Is this due to interference? Or is it something else?
could be VPNs folk working abroad etc. You have to put in your postcode to have your vote counted
Lots of stuff online about bogus votes,70,000 or on the Trump visit one.
About 37k from outside the UK (so far), which is about 4%. Mostly from countries where you'd expect a number of UK expats, like US, Spain, Sweden, etc.
You have to tick a box to say you're a UK citizen, but you don't have to be resident in UK.
I thought all the outside interferers wanted Brexit?
tomhoward - I know quite a few ex-pats who are crapping themselves over brexit - don't know any *for* it.
Russians of course are a different kettle of Solyanka..
...meant to add VPN's as has been mentioned. I'll no doubt be listed as not voting from the UK even though I most certainly am.
What, with that name? Yeah, course you are, Johnny Foreigner
tomhoward – I know quite a few ex-pats who are crapping themselves over brexit – don’t know any *for* it.
Sky, the BBC and C4 have found plenty.
Mostly living in Spain, no plans to return to the UK but want us out because of immigration, mostly if pushed immigration from non-EU countries.
Irony so thick you could stir it with a stick.
Something like 250 000 people with British passports live in France and less than 8000 have so far signed the petition. That's a lower proportion than in many UK constiuencies from people more likely to be directly affected by Brexit.
I think those of you claiming some kind of bogus votes should think again.
I haven't signed, I no longer want the UK to have a say in EU matters. I no longer think the UK can be a positive force within Europe. The European parliament will be better off without the UKIPers and the commission better off without the UK veto.
I would have voted remain 2 years ago but didn't get a vote. Today I'd have to draw up a totally different list of pros and cons. I've joined the "don't knows".
I'm on holiday with my wife (in the EU), we both signed it, so I can assure you at least 2 are not bogus
tomhoward – I know quite a few ex-pats who are crapping themselves over brexit – don’t know any *for* it.
I was referring to nations that may benefit from a breakup of the EU/British chaos, rather than expats
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The media prezentaion of ex-pats is bizarre: retired people in some ex-pat gheto in Spain, the de-localised start-up owner, the bar owner.
IME the vast majority of ex-pats simply integrate the local economy and soon become invisible. Teacher, university researcher, oil industry, aerospace, yoga teacher, engineering, farmer... locally. They all now have nationality or are in the final stages of the process. And that's full nationality not some kind of second-rate residency the UK government promises if - add a long list of conditions here including having not been on a long foreign holiday or been abroad to nurse a sick relative;
I’m on holiday with my wife (in the EU), we both signed it, so I can assure you at least 2 are not bogus
yeah, right. "Wife" ...
There was some hoity toity type on the radio a while back extolling the virtues of taking back control and deregulating chlorine-washed chickens etc. He was speaking from Portugal. And of course JRM's "Somerset" Capital Management has set up in Dublin.
https://www.ft.com/content/38987fe2-6f19-11e8-92d3-6c13e5c92914
A question about the actual petition....
Did those who have chosen to sign it receive the confirmation email immediately? 6hrs and nothing in inbox/junk. Don't want to sign again incase it double counts then flags as fraudulent and removes both entries.
I signed that from Sweden. It affects me as a British citizen working abroad, so it seemed only fair.
Of course, just because we're on the 'good' side of the argument, that doesn't mean that people and organisations outside of the UK will want to influence things like this.
Did those who have chosen to sign it receive the confirmation email immediately?
Took about 30 seconds, but this was this morning before it 'broke the internet'.
There's another similar vote that's on about 950k that's already scheduled for debate. but this really isn't about having the debate, it doesn't end till August anyway, this is about displaying the 'will of the people' or at least reminding Maybot that 48% of voters went out of their way to vote for the status quo.
The petition site is being very unreliable today.
After a few "bad gateway" messages, and "down for maintenance" messages earlier in the day, I've just tried again and it shows hundreds of lines of code instead of anything resembling a website.
It affects me as a British citizen working abroad, so it seemed only fair.
A vote in the referendum also seemed "only fair" but I didn't get one.
Anyhow, has it got to 18 million yet from people entitiled to vote?
Sign away folks - it'll make sod all difference.
Sign away folks – it’ll make sod all difference.
If a butterfly can cause a Hurricane, then a million people going out of their way to sign and online petition in a very short amount of time WILL make a difference, even if it's not as clear as May saying "Okay, a million's enough I'll get Tusk on the phone now".
Better to support it though rather than just moan about the state we’re in eh..
🤷♂️
Did those who have chosen to sign it receive the confirmation email immediately?
It took a few minutes for me, but the site wasn't completely on its arse then.
Sign away folks – it’ll make sod all difference.
As I said on The Thread: "I think it’s already significant. Not directly – I doubt it’ll make any difference to anything at all if we’re being realistic – but as a symbolic gesture it’s huge. It’s a bit like going on a protest march."
Dream on P-Jay
We're British - moaning is our national sport! 🙂
Signed and sent to my mp, this shows the mood of the people that May claims to know.
I think it is about setting the tone. It gets more difficult for May & the Jolly Brexiteers talking about the 'Will of the People' if the noise on social media & 'the steeet' says different.
If a butterfly can cause a Hurricane,
It can't. HTH.
Peekay, my email went into my spam folder.
MPs always multiply up the volume of correspondence they receive on a subject to estimate the actual level of interest, so I think the volume and rate of response on this petition is significant in terms of setting the tone.
Few politicians are prepared to even mention revocation when discussing the options. This suggests there is a reasonable number of people who want to talk about it.
Well just by way of example I did it from a boring work conference in a Berlin hotel
The issue is the will of the people only has to be 50.00001%. Every leave voter I know still wants to leave, more and more they want to "just leave" and see the protracted and abysmal mess of the negotiations not as proof of how bad an idea leaving is but how bad Europe is, bullying us and not acting in our best interests.
They see the Japanese trade deal which just pushed Nissan and Honda in the UK over the brink as proof that the EU has it in for the UK despite the fact that, as a member state we could have prevented it if our representatives had done their job instead of drawing a salary to go abroad complain about his bad Europe is.
It pains me to say it but, the will of the [tiny majority] of people is still leave and unless the petition gets signed by more than 50% of the UK's voting population it'll prove nothing beyond the fact that the huge minority of us who wanted to remain aren't happy we're leaving.
It would be amusing (yet incredibly unlikely) if the petition gained more signatures than the number who voted for Brexit!
Is this due to interference? Or is it something else?
Could be people like me who live outside the UK and are no longer allowed to vote in any national election (other than European elections) taking their option to show their point of view. I'll be fantastically happy when I eventually become Belgian and can vote again
It pains me to say it but, the will of the [tiny majority] of people is still leave
Latest YouGov poll says two thirds would choose Remain if given the choice in another vote.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-deal-opinion-poll-theresa-may-a8831241.html
I've been living away from the UK for 12 years. Lots of ex-pats here who are Brexiteers. Lots of them also very worried about their status and leave to remain here. But when you talk to them and get to the root of it, it's mainly because they have never followed the rules and registered as living here, so now do not have the privilege of settled status. This is mainly because they want the best of both worlds, staying registered in the UK rather than here in Spain so that they get better pension privision, use UK healthcare freely and not pay taxes here in Spain. Probably as bigger drain on resources as the immigrants they want to stop with Brexit.
Seems the still struggle with facts and where the UK population pockets are.
Well that is the most fanatical bit of stats for my use I've seen in a while!!
Well that is the most fanatical bit of stats for my use I’ve seen in a while!!
Can't argue with the conclusion though - we do support democracy.
Went to sign it after work, still crashed... So those wanting to sign it is somewhere over 1 million now? And once they've unbunged the interwebz I guess we'll find out just what the will of the (Internet using) British public is... Sort of...
Just checked, working again up to 1.3 million...
meant to add VPN’s as has been mentioned. I’ll no doubt be listed as not voting from the UK even though I most certainly am.
Indeed, I use VPN on my mobile phone, currently I'm allegedly in Amsterdam 🙂
Front end is there but the numbers aren’t updating on it.
Oh look, now I'm in Singapore.. How did that happen?
Just done this.
2,002,344
Heres a quick table of the country of origin of signatures
Country Sigs
United Kingdom 964,799
France 8,333
Spain 4,621
Germany 3,691
United States 2,842
Australia 2,482
Netherlands 1,691
Ireland 1,379
Gibraltar 1,149
Canada 1,132
Belgium 1,000
Switzerland 960
Italy 937
Sweden 925
New Zealand 884
Denmark 570
Austria 509
Portugal 472
Hong Kong 467
Norway 382
Greece 362
Singapore 318
Luxembourg 308
Finland 288
United Arab Emirates 280
Japan 264
Czechia 249
Isle of Man 199
Jersey 187
Poland 182
Malta 176
Thailand 174
Cyprus 168
South Africa 167
Guernsey 162
Hungary 99
Russia 20
Seems the fight4brexit tweet is plainly talking codswallop
HoC Petitions Twitter was tweeting earlier that they were still experiencing difficulties and that it may take up to 24hrs to receive the validation email.
The logic used in that fight 4 brexit post is astounding
It gets better Anus.
This is what leave voters are sharing this am, see if you can spot the flaw.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36640459#
Did those who have chosen to sign it receive the confirmation email immediately? 6hrs and nothing in inbox/junk.
Mine took about 16hours from yesterday to arrive in my junk folder. The site says allow up to 24hours and they can manually confirm your email address if it's still not received after then, but I'd give it the full 24.
Signed from Oz, put in my Australian postcode, my vote still counts.
So up to 2.8 Million going to see her deflect on that one in PMQ's
signed from Belgium without any sort of VPN. I'm British but they are quite happy with a Belgian postcode. Remember this isn't a vote, it's a request for it to be debated in parliament
3.6million now.
I have some friends on facebook sharing what at first glance is this petition - but in fact is a twist on words as a leave and leave now petition... grrr.
Nearly at 3Million. Just signed and emailed my MP....
It gets better Anus.
This is what leave voters are sharing this am, see if you can spot the flaw.
erm...
Prime Minister David Cameron has already said there will be no second vote.
Just emailed my MP again to flag up the contrast between the petition and the numbers who turned out for the Gammonball Run last week, right here in the supposedly solid Leave North East .
Passed the 3m mark.
Prime Minister David Cameron has already said there will be no second vote.
No,
EU referendum petition hijacked by bots
27 June 2016
0nly 13.4million to go...
0nly 13.4million to go…
Only 17 million to go for the Leave with no deal one...
No,
EU referendum petition hijacked by bots
27 June 2016
Typical BBC reporting - they don't even know what DATE it is...
FFS.
Typical BBC reporting – they don’t even know what DATE it is…
FFS.
🤔
Anyway that's my name added to the list. From Spain.
Just emailed my MP again to flag up the contrast between the petition and the numbers who turned out for the Gammonball Run last week, right here in the supposedly solid Leave North East .
It's a bit more complicated than that, if you look at the map of voting patterns on the Petitions site. Leeds Uni have produced a good map as well:
https://odileeds.org/projects/petitions/?241584
The petition votes are clearly concentrated in a few Remain supporting hotspots. I think it's a good initiative, and would encourage everyone to vote for revocation, but it doesn't demonstrate a widespread geographical shift in attitudes to Brexit (so far).
“Gammonball Run”
😂😂😂😂
I'm reading that a group of Pro-Brexit 'kids' on 4Chan are aiming to discredit the petition. Simultaneously mounting a DDOS attack on the site to stop people in the UK voting, whist also 'voting' using IPs in far flung lands to discredit it.
How thick you need to make your tin foil hate to believe it, I don't know.
Blimey - if I'm reading those stats right - in some constituencies a quarter of constituents have signed the petition!
Well it's now at 10% of those who voted in the referendum I think, if it gets up over 5m it will be significant I think
I was going to sign it, for what it's worth but the site seems knackered.
i just signed took a few seconds and got a confirmation email within a couple of minutes.
Oh, but the OP's link doesn't work, I had to go through the .GOV website.
where is the actual point of this. May is not going to get her deal through so with the extension only 3 weeks away what are the signatories expecting to happen?
Oh, but the OP’s link doesn’t work, I had to go through the .GOV website.
The OPs link is for the map not the petition.
Signing took a few seconds and the validation email arrived about ten seconds after I'd clicked the confirm button.
where is the actual point of this. May is not going to get her deal through so with the extension only 3 weeks away what are the signatories expecting to happen?
In my case I'd <i>hope</i> they'll look at the number of signatories, the compartive lack of support for no deal (on the counter petition) and the lack of support for no deal in Parliament and decide that, as the deal isn't acceptable the alternative with the greatest (though still minority) support is to call off the whole sorry mess and pretend it never happened.
In practice I expect nothing will change and we'll stumble along into 12/04 then it'll be extended to the end of the next European Parliament and we'll stumble along some more until with luck it'll slowly Peter out and all be forgotten after a decade of monopolising parliament.