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[Closed] A pretty dumb network router/switch question

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We have a couple of TPLink Deco mesh things, one of which serves as the 'main' unit and is connected to the ISP router (which is in Bridge mode).

This 'main' unit only has two ethernet ports, one of which is used for the ISP router connection. I'd like to hardwire a few things to it though (another Mesh node, maybe two, the Freesat box, an access point for the garden etc), so is it as simple as getting something like this, connecting it to the remaining spare port on the main unit and everything else to it?


 
Posted : 15/07/2021 2:09 pm
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That links is for a 10/100 switch, you really want 10/100/1000 otherwise you'll be limited to less than 100 Mb/s throughput.

You also want to connect to the firewalled / LAN side of your gateway router, not the WAN / public side...


 
Posted : 15/07/2021 2:12 pm
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That links is for a 10/100 switch, you really want 10/100/1000 otherwise you’ll be limited to less than 100 Mb/s throughput.

Ah, okay, although this is for sharing a rip-roaring 12mb broadband connection, so I'm not sure internal throughput will be the limiting factor...

You also want to connect to the firewalled / LAN side of your gateway router, not the WAN / public side…

It'll be:

Bridge-moded ISP Router -> Main Mesh Unit -> Switch -> Other stuff


 
Posted : 15/07/2021 2:17 pm
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Ah, okay, although this is for sharing a rip-roaring 12mb broadband connection, so I’m not sure internal throughput will be the limiting factor…

Does depend, if you connect up a media server via that siwtch, you'd be limited to speeds less than Wifi can deliver when streaming in the house from the local server.

But as you say, for internet based stuff, you'll not notice!


 
Posted : 15/07/2021 2:25 pm
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From a networking perspective it should be fine adding a cheap L2 switch to the mesh unit port, obviously be aware of the ~100m cable run limitation to the access point in the garden


 
Posted : 15/07/2021 4:11 pm
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Cool, thanks.

And I assume something like this is all I need (plus some cable, obvs) to sort the cables out?


 
Posted : 15/07/2021 4:23 pm
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I've made up a fair few cables in my time at work but tbh I wouldn't bother, I'd just buy them.
But yes, that and the cable is all you'll need to roll your own.


 
Posted : 15/07/2021 4:48 pm
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I'd spend a couple of pounds extra and get one with the better punch down tool

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193693237585


 
Posted : 15/07/2021 4:52 pm
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Yeah I'd just buy a pre-made cable unless you already have experience making them (or you can't pull them through the wall with ends on). Been years since I used a cable tester but they used to cost a fortune - not sure how reliable that cheap one would be (if you did get issues). My cheap stud/metal detector just seems to randomly beep, I'd imagine a cheap cable tester would be about as useful.


 
Posted : 15/07/2021 5:36 pm
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Just buy a gigabit switch. They’re <£20.

I have a couple of net gear ones and TPLink ones. Aside from appearance they’re no different.
buy pre-made patch cables of sufficient length. Less fuss more likely to work well.

good to go.

And what footflaps said about connecting on the LAN side.

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00AFVB41S?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00BP0SSAS?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

cable tester? https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B009FXPB3O/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

worked fine on a couple of patch cables that’d been ‘pinched’ after installation. One had damage. The other was OK.


 
Posted : 16/07/2021 6:29 am
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You might want to consider a switch with PoE (Power over ethernet) so you can put it anywhere, not just next to a plug socket. Obviously that depends on your house setup.


 
Posted : 16/07/2021 9:45 am
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You might want to consider a switch with PoE (Power over ethernet) so you can put it anywhere, not just next to a plug socket. Obviously that depends on your house setup.

POE is a good idea (increasing costs mind) but the switch will still need to powered from the mains. If anything is connected near to it, sort of makes POE pointless. Now, if he's connecting AP's etc over the house, it makes more sense.


 
Posted : 16/07/2021 9:52 am
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PoE is pointless unless you're driving APs or VoIP phones, as Paul says. A PoE switch will provide power over Ethernet, not receive it. An AP was on your initial spec sheet but I don't immediately see the point if you've got a mesh system.

If at all possible, I'd avoid making your own cables up and just buy patch cables of the required lengths. Crimping Ethernet cables is fiddly, there is a skill to it. I've done hundreds and I still don't always get it right first time. If you're intending running cable through drilled holes where the plugs would foul then I'd strongly suggest terminating with wall sockets rather than plugs, it's a considerably easier job.

You don't need a punch-down tool at all unless as above you're planning on installing wall sockets, in which case investing in a better tool as someone else suggested will save you a lot of pain. So-called "disposable" punch-down tools are scarcely better than stuffing wires into terminals with a screwdriver.

I've used bargain-basement cable testers - I bought a handful for the apprentices at work once - and they were terrible. There's little point in spending hundreds for a one-off job of course, but I'd swerve the absolute budget end. And again, you don't need one at all unless you're doing your own cable runs.


 
Posted : 16/07/2021 12:14 pm

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