[Closed] A breakthrough in the McCann case?

I can't remember faces from last night, let alone 5 years ago (or however long ago it was). Can't see how the photofit is going to come up with any results. (I bet it's given the rags some exciting front pages though)

the two photos seem to cover every male with short dark hair and neutral features, ive ever met.

of the five blokes in the office, only the west indian guy is clear.

Just another opportunity for those repulsive people to parade themselves on prime-time TV bleating about how they weren't to blame and make my piss boil.

Saw the pair of them this morning protesting that it was all the fault of the nasty, evil person that did this... Well there's not doubting that this wouldn't have happened if the nasty evil person hadn't taken her, but IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF YOU'D NOT LEFT A BABY ALL ALONE IN A STRANGE COUNTRY!!!

Twunts.

And here we go again....

Yawn.

iolo - Member
Surely this information would have surfaced at the time of the initial investigation?

You missed out the fact that it was an initial [i]Portuguese[/i] investigation.

I remember hating those banana republic pretend cops back then.

If I was a McCann parent, I would have absolutely despaired at the 'police work' being undertaken while my daughter was being transported away.

Shibboleth ,
Please lets not go down that road. I just think photofits from someone who suddenly remembers something much later is a bit suspect.

At risk of getting flamed (again)...

Have a look at the e-fits. Now Google "Jerry McCann" and look at the photos of him that are returned.

Is it just me or do those e-fits bear more than a passing resemblence???

[quote=soobalias ]the two photos seem to cover every male with short dark hair and neutral features, ive ever met.
of the five blokes in the office, only the west indian guy is clear.

Probably the same here too. I can't imagine they're expecting someone to find the bloke really.

WAIT!

They grow bananas in Portugal?

The one on the left looks like Piers Morgan... I always suspected he was up to no good...

Two completely different e-fits which are supposed to be the same person, plus a description of an average-looking man between 20 and 40 years old. It's not an awful lot to go on, really.

As someone that was in Praia Da Luz around that time it may have helped if they had hired a baby sitter,or even better not locked the kids in the apartment and pissed off into town 10 minutes away for a night on the beer, and on not just one occasion either, however they must be suffering as no one should lose a child.

At risk of getting flamed (again)...

Have a look at the e-fits. Now Google "Jerry McCann" and look at the photos of him that are returned.

Is it just me or do those e-fits bear more than a passing resemblence???

I think you have a point there, at least to start a new conspiracy theory!

If by chance/miracle she is found - will she be taken into state care due to negligence by the parents?

irony....

Tango Man - Member
As someone that was in Praia Da Luz around that time

and i bet if you dont match the efit now, its down to hair cut, beard growth or the addition of glasses....

however they must be suffering as no one should lose a child.

I'm sure they are, but I think their PR machine would be far more successful if they were more willing to publicly accept how responsible they were instead of constantly apportioning blame elsewhere.

Yes, someone evil or sick did something terrible that night, but leaving a baby at the mercy of an evil world is unforgivable. I'd respect them a lot more if they accepted this.

I'm sure they are, but I think their PR machine would be far more successful if they were more willing to publicly accept how responsible they were instead of constantly apportioning blame elsewhere.

Yes, someone evil or sick did something terrible that night, but leaving a baby at the mercy of an evil world is unforgivable. I'd respect them a lot more if they accepted this.

Nail on the head!

No one mentioned Class yet ??

Tut's.

As for the efits, well they are just silly. Looks like most here in the office, fits all on the floor below.. and so on and soooo....
Even some of the Women fit the efits.. 😯

It'll be just "have you seen this guy/s, he looked dodgy, were you in the area pre/during/after/in an airport/taxi/bus/peddelo.."

I'll not watch the programme as you can probably tell... but my thoughts are with any (genuine) family that has lost a child.

The 2nd pic... anyone seen this fella around?

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As someone that was in Praia Da Luz around that time it may have helped if they had hired a baby sitter,or even better not locked the kids in the apartment and [b]pissed off into town 10 minutes away[/b] for a night on the beer,

10 minutes away ??

Which form of transport are you presuming they used that takes 10 minutes to cover 50 metres 🙄

Using a cannonball as a spacehopper maybe.

Have a look at the e-fits. Now Google "Jerry McCann" and look at the photos of him that are returned.

to be fair, there are about 5 people I can see from my desk who pretty much fit the description.

I thought the government giving the investigation 5 million was a bit off tbh.

£5M ??

Dear God, you could buy Rotherham for that. 😆

I think I will flick between BBC1 showing the McCanns and Channel 5 showing On Benefits And Proud this evening. That should give my TV tourettes a good workout.

Forget the e-fits - it's more telling that, other than the UK, the programme is to be shown in only Germany and Holland.

@nealglover, the complex they stayed in was a 10 minute walk to the town centre, the town centre is where they went on a number of occasion to have a drink(Kellys Bar) minus their kids, and for the odd meal, but this hasn't been mentioned yet because everyone has swallowed the crap that they stayed in their apartment complex all the time and were only 50 metres away, sorry but if this was a couple from a council estate they would be in jail for neglect

I think I will flick between BBC1 showing the McCanns and Channel 5 showing On Benefits And Proud this evening. That should give my TV tourettes a good workout.

I am so glad we don't have a TV....

Ahead of its broadcast, Mrs McCann said: "We're not the ones that have done something wrong here...

I think something along the lines of "We accept that we made a terrible error of judgement that night, leaving three very young children unsupervised for large periods of time in unfamiliar surroundings, especially considering we are both health care professionals and should know better, but please don't punish poor innocent Maddie for our failings as parents" might have been a little better received.

Dear Mr & Mrs McCann, now that Max Clifford has bigger things on his plate, I'm willing to be your PR guy. My first job would be a live lie-detector test for you both. [b]I[/b] know you're both completely innocent of any wrong doing, but you know how fickle the public can be.

5 million would buy quite a few replacement kids. I'll send them round the catalogue.

@nealglover, the complex they stayed in was a 10 minute walk to the town centre, the town centre is where they went on a number of occasion to have a drink(Kellys Bar) minus their kids, and for the odd meal, but this hasn't been mentioned yet because everyone has swallowed the crap that they stayed in their apartment complex all the time and were only 50 metres away, sorry but if this was a couple from a council estate they would be in jail for neglect

So. you have some "inside information" that isn't publicly available then.

Sounds believable and reliable to me.

nealglover, the complex they stayed in was a 10 minute walk to the town centre, the town centre is where they went on a number of occasion to have a drink(Kellys Bar) minus their kids, and for the odd meal, but this hasn't been mentioned yet because everyone has swallowed the crap that they stayed in their apartment complex all the time and were only 50 metres away,

Yes, out of interest, where does this particular piece of information come from?

5 million would buy quite a few replacement kids. I'll send them round the catalogue.

More to the point, 5 million spent on road safety improvements would probably save several children's lives. It's hard to write this without sounding harsh and unsympathetic (though at least I'd be in good company on this thread), but ISTM a lot of money to waste on a case where by far the most likely outcome is that they will never find anything more.

Some nasty, spiteful comments on here.

Let's hope they find their daughter.

Some nasty, spiteful comments on here.

I can't see where anyone has been nasty or spiteful to the victim. And this is what the case is about, THE VICTIM.

 

Which form of transport are you presuming they used that takes 10 minutes to cover 50 metres 

Maybe they were on the Orange 5 that was in front of me on the last downhill bit at Cwmcarn the other week 😉

The spiteful comments probably come from people who don't have their own kids. When you do become a parent, Mother Nature rewires your brain for you and you find the thought of losing a child terribly upsetting.

The reason why there's so much determination to solve this case is because people suspect it's the very tiny tip of a very big organised iceberg of children being stolen to order. Solve this and they might just crack it all open and bring relief to hundreds of other desperate families.

Do they still get child benefit ?

The reason why there's so much determination to solve this case is because people suspect it's the very tiny tip of a very big organised iceberg of children being stolen to order. Solve this and they might just crack it all open and bring relief to hundreds of other desperate families.

Agreed

The photogenic children of nice middle class happy western families are always being stolen to order

Like .........
Errrr
Errrrrrrr

Well Im sure theres lots of others

The spiteful comments probably come from people who don't have their own kids. When you do become a parent, Mother Nature rewires your brain for you and you find the thought of losing a child terribly upsetting.

The ones commenting about them leaving the kids? On the contrary, surely such comments are more likely to come from those who wouldn't leave their own kids in similar circumstances.

The reason why there's so much determination to solve this case is because people suspect it's the very tiny tip of a very big organised iceberg of children being stolen to order. Solve this and they might just crack it all open and bring relief to hundreds of other desperate families.

Which other desperate families, and why aren't any of their cases getting this amount of effort put into them?

This is not so much a news item as one of the increasing number of trailers for Crimewatch or Panorama that are inserted into the News bulletins in order to make them sound more like real journalism.

Well I comment on the back of my Sister running away from home at 16 and it took us 2 years hard graft to find out she'd run away to a convent..
No note.
Nadda..
😐

On the contrary, surely such comments are more likely to come from those who wouldn't leave their own kids in similar circumstances

Spot on.

They are selfish, foolish idiots.

A terrible price to pay for it, but there it is, they are complete twunts.

Piers Morgan and Dustin Hoffman.

I can't see where anyone has been nasty or spiteful to the victim. And this is what the case is about, THE VICTIM.

surely such comments are more likely to come from those who wouldn't leave their own kids in similar circumstances.

I suspect much of this is down to what happened to them rather than no one else has ever done such a thing

IIRC lots of holiday companies [ used to I assume]do patrols and let you know when your kids are crying so to suggest this has not changed many folks behaviour is not likely to be true

They are selfish, foolish idiots.

A terrible price to pay for it, but there it is, they are complete twunts

Just like someone who left their front door unlocked or a bike on a car or an alone female in a short skirt walking home at night their behaviour MAY have contributed to them being the victim of a crime [ everyone had to do something to be a victim if you want to go far enough ] but the person who did the crime is to blame not the victim[s].
They have lost their daughter your scorn is nothing compared to that

No, it is not like those examples at all.

Parents have to make decisions for their kids, its called responsibility, as in you are responsible for your kids. Its just how it works. And that is why they are selfish twunts, they were not thinking of their kids.
I only scorn their irresponsibleness. It couldn't have worked out worse for them.

So you are saying I am not responsible for my bike then , my front door and the lone female for her own safety 😕

I am pretty sure they did think their kids would be safe.
Clearly they were wrong in their assessment and I pity them for the consequences rather than insult them.

The spiteful comments probably come from ****ers

QFT

I am pretty sure they did think their kids would be safe.

but didn't think to take them along to the tapas bar?

Leaving young kids in holiday apartments, asleep, is what millions of holidaymakers have done for years. Statistically it's far safer than having them running about with the parents. It just went tragically wrong this time...
[conspiracy mode] ...or did it? [/conspiracy mode]

I have a two year old and a five year old. I would never, ever think of leaving them alone even if they were asleep in the next building. They would be terrified if they woke up and no one was in the house.

It's a terrible thing to happen and I hope they get their child back. I wouldn't wish what has happened to them on anyone, but I can't understand why they would leave her in the first place.

I do agree that if this was a council estate couple on benefits instead of a middle class pair of GPs, the mail would have hung, drawn and quartered them by now...

[conspiracy mode] ...or did it? [/conspiracy mode]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Shannon_Matthews

Leaving young kids in holiday apartments, asleep, is what millions of holidaymakers have done for years.

A bit like leaving your belongings whilst the night security guy rings his mates to bob round and do the appartment over, yes it does happen

A bit like leaving your kids at home then going to the pub; perfectly acceptable behaviour said no one at all, ever.

BigJohn - are you saying that, statistically, it was the parents?

The e-fit. Last night I met a friends brother for the first time. No way I could even attempt to visualise him. Unless h had attacked or threatened me. Walked past? No a chance. If I saw him again though I'd recognise him.

Leave the mcCanns alone. They made a mistake.

man seen carrying child from apartment & this has only just come to light...surely the witness would have come forward / gone to press before the passage of such time

They are guilty of something, we are just split into two camps as to what they are guilty of.
Edit...perhaps the man seen carrying a child was carrying his own child back from a restaurant.

Someone might be able to explain; the police now say they are looking at a "different timeline", now concentrating on the gap between the McCanns leaving the apartment and Kate McCann returning. What were they looking at before?

What a bunch of unpleasant c*cks hang around on this forum.

They are guilty of something, we are just split into two camps as to what they are guilty of.

Christ, this place sinks lower & lower every day.
Some of these comments are terrible.
FFS, read them back to yourselves will you... 😐

Christ, this place sinks lower & lower every day.
Some of these comments are terrible.
FFS, read them back to yourselves will you...

I'm out.

Indeed.
I think the Mods should consider a policy of just blocking mccann threads as soon as they start. Not sure why but they really seem to bring out the worst rather than the best in people.

What a bunch of unpleasant c*cks hang around on this forum.

There's quite a number of bleeding-heart weepy hand-wringers, too.

I think the Mods should consider a policy of just blocking mccann threads as soon as they start.

Agreed.

[quote=IanMunro ]
I think the Mods should consider a policy of just blocking mccann threads as soon as they start.
Are there other topics of conversation you'd like to censor too? I'm wondering what it is about this case (rather than, say, Jimmy Saville) that causes folk to react like you you have.

Basically anything that turns people into total ****s.

Christ, this place sinks lower & lower every day.
Some of these comments are terrible.
FFS, read them back to yourselves will you...

+1.
I'm out.

+1billion.

as a parent you cannot begin to imagine what they have and are going through.

the scariest part of the whole affair is when gerry went back the last time to check and after the event he reflected back and remembered the bedroom door was not as he left it but madelaine was still in bed.

(as in he thinks he distrubed whoever took her and they were hiding in the room!)

also it was the night before they were leaving and had left them numerous nights.... so was it just luck or did the abductor know!

Threads like this give people with low self-worth the opportunity to exhibit a sense of superiority as they sit in judgement of others.

I'm wondering what it is about this case (rather than, say, Jimmy Saville) that causes folk to react like you you have

[quote=ernie_lynch ]Threads like this give people with low self-worth the opportunity to exhibit a sense of superiority as they sit in judgement of others.
That's no way to refer to IanW - or yourself.

This thread was not started for this foul crap.
It was to highlight how it could possible to suddenly have new evidence at this time which came from someones memory.
Mods, please close it.

iolo - Member - Quote
This thread was not started for this foul crap.
It was to highlight how it could possible to suddenly have new evidence at this time which came from someones memory.

Are the parents not also victims to some extent?

I think that has yet to be decided hasn't it?

I think it might be useful if we divulge how many children we have.

2 adults, 1 teen for me.

ernie_lynch - Member
Threads like this give people with low self-worth the opportunity to exhibit a sense of superiority as they sit in judgement of others.

Ben Needham (born 29 October 1989 in Sheffield) disappeared on 24 July 1991 at the age of 21 months from the Greek island of Kos.[1] Despite numerous reported sightings over the years, no trace of the British child has ever been found.[2] It is one of the longest missing persons cases in British history.[2]
Disappearance[edit]

Ben Needham had been holidaying with his parents on Kos[3] (to which his maternal grandparents had emigrated) in the village of Iraklise when he went missing on 24 July 1991.
On the day of his disappearance Ben had been left in the care of his grandparents while his mother went to work at a local hotel. He was playing outside a farmhouse the family were renovating when, at approximately 2:30 pm, the adults realised he had disappeared.[4]
The family first searched the area for Ben, assuming he had wandered off, or that their teenage son, Stephen, had taken him out on his moped. When no trace of the boy was found, the police were notified. However, the police extensively questioned the Needhams, holding them as prime suspects, and delayed informing airports and docks.[5] Eventually they widened their search for the child.

No kids, but then I've not been vindictive so it don't matter much.

As for the thread, keep it open I say, just the normal cross section of our divided opinions, nowt wrong with that.

I think that has yet to be decided hasn't it?

Would you like to make a libellous and unfounded claim about their involvement like [some sectors of ]the media did and then paid out damages for?

I am fairly sure that they were the victim of a crime when they had their daughter abducted

They had their daughter abducted? Really? Have you told the Police about this? 😯 😯 😯

I'd still like an answer to my question regarding the change of "timeline",

Why don't you watch the show tonight? There might be answers there. Although, why you're interested is beyond me as on the last thread on this subject, you had already decided that:

Regardless of who killed/abducted their daughter, they are firmly to blame.