[Closed] 9/11 documentary

made the astounding claim that it was a 30 year conspiracy:

From one throw away line, which you have NO IDEA to exactly what he's alluding to, you make the jump to 9/11 being a conspiracy.....

Okayyyyyyy......

astounding claim

I can do some of those.

Drac blows goats.
BigDummy is big. And a dummy.
David Attenborough killed JFK.
Penguins are allergic to cheese.

(One of these may be true. Makes you think...)

Some things aren't oh so simple...

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Drac blows goats.

Close it’s sheep

Flashy, you forgot, 'JHJ is a politician cos he never answers a straight question & I claim my £5'

So,I went for a ride.

Came back and we’re still a [i]touch[/i] light on facts or evidence from jhj, just a crazy disjointed tour through random people and unconnected quotes taken out of context to suggest... what exactly?

Ahh, before you can understand that you need to look on the odd sock drawer!

What?

Exactly my point! Here’s a video of someone saying something, makes you think doesn’t it?

Er, do you understand the question?

But, dont ever forget about the postman’s old van

Come again?

That van was replaced, with one a different colour!

mrlebowski - Member

From one throw away line, which you have NO IDEA to exactly what he's alluding to

I'll apologise as I haven't been drinking, but perhaps he meant it was a 30 year conspiracy [i]by the terrorists[/i]?

conspiracy
k?n?sp?r?si/
noun
noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

Yep, that works.

nealglover - Member

Who: al-Qaeda Terrorists.
Why: Terror campaign against the west.

But who funded Al-Qaeda? Who in US Govt. profitted from the Iraq/Afghan Wars? JHJ will never find a smoking gun piece of evidence equivalent to a passport and manual of how to fly a plane! But just look at who makes decisions in govt and who makes money from war, its completely morally bankrupt.

All this shouting JHJ down is a bit tedious (as tedious as JHJ asking Qs rather than just posting what he thinks)

Jivebunny, if you don't have any facts to provide, or knowledge on the subject, I'm confused as to why you're so eager to join in the discussion.

jivehoneyjive - Member
That's fine... let's remember, I've made it clear that I'm not really focused on how the buildings collapsed, more on if anyone was in on it.

He later stated, "For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with."

I'll apologise as I haven't been drinking, but perhaps he meant it was a 30 year conspiracy by the terrorists?

Maybe?
Maybe not?
Who can tell..

They just don't write comedy like this any more.

I'm glad there seems to be a general consensus on the credibility of Robert Baer... he also wrote this (mentioned in the wikipedia article directly before the quote that has already appeared in the thread)

"Did Bin Laden act alone, through his own Al-Qaida network, in launching the attacks? About that I'm far more certain and emphatic: no."

There's plenty to suggest he's telling the truth.

I'm glad there seems to be a general consensus on the credibility of Robert Baer...

From who ?
Where ?

I saw no “general Concensus”

Did you imagine it, (make it up) just so you could come in with you “killer quote”

And if that’s what he said, then WHO did he imagine was the other party helping Bin Laden ?

Did he say ?
Surely he must have said who it was ?
No ?

I'm glad there seems to be a general consensus on the credibility of Robert Baer

That whatever an ex member of the CIA turned reality TV host knows is probably about as much as everyone else? Yeah everyone agrees that.

I don't think anyone doesn't think that al-queda has had Saudi intelligence agency help, and more than likely there's people in the Saudi govt simpathetic to them also. Widely known

There's plenty to suggest he's telling the truth

There really isn’t

By the way, this is how bear’s quote continues, as I assume [u]you[/u] were trying to insinuate that bin laden was working with the US

Even before I left the CIA in late 1997, we had learned that Bin Laden had suggested to the Iranians that they drop their efforts to undermine central Asian governments and instead join him in a campaign against the United States.

So, we have something that means nothing, from a guy who left the CIA four years before 9/11 who incidentally also believes that Hitler survived after WWII.

There really isn’t

So you doubt Robert Baer's credibility, despite this quote?

"For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with."

And despite his extensive coverage in the mainstream media:

Robert Booker "Bob" Baer (born July 1, 1952) is an American author and a former CIA case officer who was primarily assigned to the Middle East. He is Time's intelligence columnist and has contributed to Vanity Fair, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post. Baer is a frequent commentator and author about issues related to international relations, espionage and U.S. foreign policy. Currently he is a reality television host on the History Channel's program "Hunting Hitler." He is an Intelligence and Security Analyst for CNN.

Really makes you wonder who you can trust...

Guess sometimes you just have to let the facts speak for themselves

Guess sometimes you just have to let the facts speak for themselves

Facts like basic physics? Or are those facts less important?

I see you conveniently ignored the salient points in my post.you know, the ones that establish the facts

Currently he is a reality television host on the History Channel's program "Hunting Hitler." .

Makes you think, eh?

JHJ, I assume based on bears credibility that you believe Hitler survived WWII and fled Germany?

Who's to know... truth be told, I haven't researched it sufficiently to come to any conclusions, I saw something recently in the mainstream media to suggest Hitler may have survived and escaped and of course, I'm aware of the Catholic Church's involvement in Ratlines to South America and the like, but when all is said and done, much like Jesus, the fate of Hitler is a case of folklore.

The Bank of International Settlements and US State Department support of Nazi industry during the war is however established fact.

Steering back on topic, I'm well aware of Prescott Bush's involvement in WW2, but that's another story, although there are parallels with the Bush family involvement in the Carlyle Group...

Steering back on topic, I'm well aware of Prescott Bush's involvement in WW2, but that's another story,

That appears to be the opposite of steering things back in topic.

So, just to steer things back on topic. You don’t believe bear in this case?

How illuminating

Why, what are [b]Baer[/b]'s views on Prescott Bush's involvement in WW2?

You’re missing the point, which In itself, tells a story

You’re missing the point

He doesn’t have a point. That’s the issue.

Unwilling to make one, no specifics allowed with jivebunny.

Mainly because specific points can easily be unpicked and lead to looking like a tool. (More of a tool)

There's another story here, but I haven't got that far yet:

Salomon Smith Barney (SSB), the company that occupied all but ten of the 47 floors in WTC building 7

Salomon Smith Barney (SSB), the company that occupied all but ten of the 47 floors in WTC building 7

That building was more commonly known locally as The Salomon Smith Barney Building or just SSB before the events of 9/11

After 9/11 it was more commonly known as World Trade Centre 7 or WTC7

But go on, I’m sure you have a crystal clear point to make.

Pff, I'm a bit tipsy right now and can't remember off the top of my head, maybe it was something to do with Donald Rumsfeld...

Reckon I'll try googling 'Donald Rumsfeld Salomon Smith Barney' or 'Donald Rumsfeld WTC7' and see if it jogs my memory...

jivehoneyjive - Member

I'm glad there seems to be a general consensus on the credibility of Robert Baer

This is a lie.
Don't lie JHJ.

Did Bin Laden act alone?
Of course he didn't you 'tard, dozens of people were involved.

Your problem is JHJ, that you never state your position.

The reason that you don't is that you know it will be pulled apart.

Get a hobby, just stop chatting shit.

jivehoneyjive - Member
There's another story here, but I haven't got that far yet:

Salomon Smith Barney (SSB), the company that occupied all but ten of the 47 floors in WTC building 7

Story is right, as in jackanory,

Whatever you come up with next bear this in mind. We’ve already proved that 9/11 was a deliberate terrorist attack and that WTC 7 was destroyed as an inadvertent consequence of that due to a catastrophic fire following impact damage and was NOT demolished by explosives. That debate has been done and there was no scientific or evidential analysis to support otherwise.

None, nothing, not a shred.

So whatever WTC7 nonsense you come up with, don’t expect anyone to give it any credence. Of course, if it was a smoking gun you would have talked about it by now, rather than throwing in another random bit of conspiracy theory when all the others have been debunked.

[quote="jivehoneyjive"]I haven't researched it sufficiently to come to any conclusions,There are two words in there (at least) that you don't actually know the meaning of.

We’ve already proved that 9/11 was a deliberate terrorist attack and that WTC 7 was destroyed as an inadvertent consequence of that due to a catastrophic fire following impact damage and was NOT demolished by explosives.

Point of order: The only thing that's been proved in this thread is that jhj can do a spectacular job of winding people up.

Pff, I'm a bit tipsy right now and can't remember off the top of my head, maybe it was something to do with Donald Rumsfeld...

Reckon I'll try googling 'Donald Rumsfeld Salomon Smith Barney' or 'Donald Rumsfeld WTC7' and see if it jogs my memory...

Go on then....

Tell your little story, we are all ears.

nedrapier - Member

We’ve already proved that 9/11 was a deliberate terrorist attack and that WTC 7 was destroyed as an inadvertent consequence of that due to a catastrophic fire following impact damage and was NOT demolished by explosives.

Point of order: The only thing that's been proved in this thread is that jhj can do a spectacular job of winding people up

Fair enough! I'll rephrase that there is no evidence to disprove the official record, and any that has been provided only reinforces that!

disagree. No physical evidence used by anyone to prove anything, including NIST. They modeled the building in a computer and came up with a way of making it collapse that matches, or sort of matches the actual collapse.

No-one on this thread can support or detract from the assumptions and calculations behind the computer model from here, because no-one's seen it.

Been done to death on this thread already, but no-one's proved anything.

Proof Schmoof

"Some planes hit some buildings, then they fell down."

Its like JHJ is Dave Vitty from the old Chris Moyles show and this is a 31 page tedious link of comedy gold!

disagree. No physical evidence used by anyone to prove anything, including NIST. They modeled the building in a computer and came up with a way of making it collapse that matches, or sort of matches the actual collapse.

well, there was the planes hitting it, the observable fire and the collapse, all on hundred of cameras beamed across the world.

Would you have preferred they built another tower and flew a plane into it?

My comments refer entirely to WCT7

But I did use "point of order" incorrectly! 🙂

that jhj can do a spectacular job of winding people up.

Well quite, fell for it myself. It's pointless trying to employ reason with jhj, it's like playing tennis with someone on different courts, it doesn't matter how perfect your shots are...

it's like playing tennis

It’s important to remember that Jitij Dwivedi, a Principal at [b]Carlyle Group[/b], was a Collegiate tennis star, nationally ranked.

https://www.carlyle.com/about-carlyle/team/jitij-dwivedi

Mr. Dwivedi graduated summa cum laude from Presbyterian College, where he received a [b]B.S.[/b] in mathematics and computer science and was nationally ranked in collegiate [b]TENNIS[/b]

And yes, that’s the same “Tennis” that’s closely related the [b]Bush[/b] Tennis Centre

Which is where the previously mention Mr Dwivali of the [b]Carlyle Group[/b] trained regularly.

The same [b]Bush[/b] Tennis Centre that uses the Family Name and is personally endorsed by [b]George W Bush[/b]

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https://youtu.be/SXJu1BWxNLQ

I’ve got more, but I don’t think you are ready for it yet.

Pay attention to ME! ME!

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neal that's so good i had to double check who posted it.

Yes I thought it was probably balls.

quality work, Mr G.

Haha! I’m on my phone so couldn’t see who posted that at first. 😆

Oh my!

nealglover is keen mountain biker, G Dubyah and I claim my billions in dirty money, whilst saving the world from war related climate change.

Jokes aside though, I was clearly sozzled last night because we mentioned WW2 and the Nazis and though I mentioned Prescott Bush, I didn't get in anything about Allen Dulles, Operation Paperclip or MK-ULTRA.

But nonetheless, something in my memory must've been ticking over nicely...

Pff, I'm a bit tipsy right now and can't remember off the top of my head, maybe it was something to do with Donald Rumsfeld...

Reckon I'll try googling 'Donald Rumsfeld Salomon Smith Barney' or 'Donald Rumsfeld WTC7' and see if it jogs my memory...

Now let's not forget, as US Defence Secretary:

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld ]Rumsfeld[/url] played a central role in the planning of the United States' response to the September 11 attacks, which included two wars, one in Afghanistan and one in Iraq.

Donald Rumsfeld has made multiple claims of ignorance regarding WTC7 or indeed any building collapsing at the World Trade Center site without being hit by a plane.

That's despite having been chair of the advisory board of Salomon Smith Barney (WTC7: The Salomon Smith Barney Building), and visiting Ground Zero in November 2001.

Probably too busy trying to deny [url= https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/12/30/us-had-key-role-in-iraq-buildup/133cec74-3816-4652-9bd8-7d118699d6f8/?utm_term=.8831d7362246 ]his involvement in helping build up Saddam Hussein's military arsenal and chemical weapons program in the 80s[/url].

The story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years before his 1990 attack on Kuwait -- which included large-scale intelligence sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front company, and facilitating Iraq's acquisition of chemical and biological precursors -- is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign policy.

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There's all sort of other interesting stuff out there if you google 'Donald Rumsfeld Salomon Smith Barney' or 'Donald Rumsfeld WTC7', but I wouldn't want to bore you 😉

but I wouldn't want to bore you

You already are.

I explained this yesterday before you even made your “point”

It really wasn’t known as “Building 7” before the bombings.
(Or immediately after, seeing as the radio host didn’t even know wether it was 7 or 5 ! )

It was known as “The Salomon Smith Barney Building” or just “SSB”

Even the guy asking the question didn’t know wether it was “Building 7” or “Building 5” did he ?

Ffs.

And let’s just pretend for one ridiculous second that he knew exactly what the guy was referring to, but pretended he didn’t.

WHY ?
What does it prove.
What does it even suggest.

Top work NG, I was just going to post a picture of Neville Chamberlain shaking hands with Hitler followed by
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but your effort is much better.

Either would do the job though.

It's no use George, I'll not negotiate with terrorists 😉

I explained this yesterday before you even made your “point”

This, Neil Glover has seen where JHJ was going before he even went there. It’s a non story to anyone other than the rabid conspiracy theorists, and Tbh it hasn’t much traction amongst them.

It’s really pointless woolly stuff now. You’re floundering even more JHJ.

If you say so old chap...

Let's not forget [b]as Defence Secretary in charge of the US Department of Defence[/b], among many other departments, [b]Rumsfeld was was top in the chain of command of NORAD and the NSA [/b](you know, the NSA tied in to GCHQ, as revealed by Edward Snowden, who have been blanket monitoring calls on the sly since before 9/11).

As Special Envoy to the Middle East under Ronald Reagan he also had long standing relations with the Saudi elite who have been linked to Al-Qaeda funding.

For the Defence Secretary to visit Ground Zero, with the Mayor of New York Rudy Guiliani, whose $13 million crisis center for the New York City Office Of Emergency Management was in WTC7 (The Salomon Smith Barney Building) ([b]other tenants included[/b] the CIA, [b]NSA and Department of Defence[/b]) whilst being ignorant of WTC7 in any shape or form is really quote something.

That's before you factor in his relationship with Frank Carlucci...

whilst being ignorant of WTC7 in any shape or form is really quote something.

As said previously, he knew it by another name. This is tedious, you take one tiny point and extrapolate it beyond all sensible interpretation

You really have nothing old chap. Half truths, insinuations, suggestions of impropriety. But so, so light on the ‘facts’

If you say so old chap...

Let's not forget [b]as Defence Secretary in charge of the US Department of Defence[/b], among many other departments, [b]Rumsfeld was was top in the chain of command of NORAD and the NSA [/b](you know, the NSA tied in to GCHQ, as revealed by Edward Snowden, who have been blanket monitoring calls on the sly since before 9/11).

As Special Envoy to the Middle East under Ronald Reagan he also had long standing relations with the Saudi elite who have been linked to Al-Qaeda funding.

For the Defence Secretary to visit Ground Zero, with the Mayor of New York Rudy Guiliani, whose $13 million crisis center for the New York City Office Of Emergency Management was in WTC7 (The Salomon Smith Barney Building) ([b]other tenants included[/b] the CIA, [b]NSA and Department of Defence[/b]) whilst being ignorant of WTC7 in any shape or form is really quote something.

That's before you factor in his relationship with Frank Carlucci...

You drunk again jivebunny

Or is there a 12 minute echo in here.

nealglover, please continue with your conspiracy theories if you can be bothered! They are at least as plausible and more entertaining than JHJs.

Look forward to what george w glover can come up with as regards Donald Rumsfeld and Frank Carlucci...

In the meantime, here's a video of another occasion 9/11 Defence Secretary Rumsfeld was confronted about the collapse of a 3rd skyscaper on the WTC site...

(Standard disclaimer for 3rd party content and external websites etc)

Does anyone else just want to punch his mumma in the mouth?

He asked him: "Have you heard of Building 7, because there was like this radio show where you said you hadn't heard of it?"

Mr Rumsfeld replied: "No I haven't. What's Building 7?”

Building 7, that’s it. That’s really what your are working with here..........

Donald Rumsfeld was a politician, had some high powered roles and knew a building by a different name = massive false flag conspiracy and cover up.

This is beyond tedious, it’s moved into black knight territory.

Jive, have you heard of 1000 third avenue NY? Or even 725 fifth avenue?

You're putting more spin on it than GW and Blair did on Weapons of Mass destruction...

LR: The 3rd skyscraper that fell on 9/11

Rumsfeld: Oh my gosh, sure, now I remember

Why are you insinuating a false flag and cover up?

OMG 9/11 nutters are like mega nerds... 😆

all those videos should has a running caption at the bottom that just repeats..." and yet I have no friends, and I've never had a girlfriend, why is this?"

Just a reminder emsz 😉

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/have-you-ever-been-the-victim-of-an-unwantedinappropriate-sexual-advance

jivehoneyjive - Member

Why are you insinuating a false flag and cover up?

I'm not, that was irony.

Fair play to you JHJ, you don't have the balls to come out and make a specific allegation because that's easy to shut down with fact.

Instead you take random unrelated things and try and create the appearance of impropriety by encouraging others to fill in the gaps.

'let's not forget' and 'that's before you factor in'

It's a clever use of smoke and mirrors. But it fails to establish anything at all. and really just tells me that you have no courage in your convictions, whatever they are...

Instead you take random unrelated things and try and create the appearance of impropriety by encouraging others to fill in the gaps.

Makes you think.

Tell you what I find strange...

We all know politicians lie, we all know thousands of innocent lives are lost due to the decisions made by politicians, but when I produce a wealth of interconnected facts, people seem more concerned by attempting to deconstruct every fact presented, rather than assemble the bigger picture for themselves.

Why is that?

You don’t seem concerned enough to “assemble the bigger picture” so why would we be ?

More concerned with shouting random things and trying to make it sound sinister.

Why not just let us know what you actually think about it all, instead of just talking guff. ?

jivehoneyjive - Member
Tell you what I find strange...

We all know politicians lie, we all know thousands of innocent lives are lost due to the decisions made by politicians, but when I produce a wealth of interconnected facts, people seem more concerned by attempting to deconstruct every fact presented, rather than assemble the bigger picture for themselves.

Why is that?

Humans are collateral, thats easy to understand and figure out..

Hth's

That's exactly it though, despite everyone trying to crowbar an opinion out of me, I try to stick to facts.

It's clear I'm not entirely satisfied by the official story and it's also clear that there are many other like me that feel the same way... no doubt many people are scared to speak out because of the venom and disdain aimed at anyone 'foolish' enough to question such things.

No one questioned what the Nazis were up to until it was too late, so I'm more than happy to speak out and take the flak on the off-chance I can do something to prevent such attrocities being repeated.

That's exactly it though, despite everyone trying to crowbar an opinion out of me, I try to stick to facts

Random facts without any sort of conclusion are utterly pointless.

It's clear I'm not entirely satisfied by the official story and it's also clear that there are many other like me that feel the same way... no doubt many people are scared to speak out because of the venom and disdain aimed at anyone 'foolish' enough to question such things

And there’s the new tee shirt slogan for the Flat Earth Society 2017 AGM

No one questioned what the Nazis were up to until it was too late

Yes they did.
And they came to conclusions rather than shouting skattergun random facts.

9/11 was a factual event, with many anomalies and direct links between those involved in supporting the terrorists and those in the highest levels of US and UK government.

The build up of the Nazi war machine, with the support of UK and US finance and industry is established fact.

Flat earth theories are bullshit.

Decades, as we know from history, have their tyrants and manipulators. You can't really expect anything different in todays society and clawing at or grasping at near truth/no truth or fake truth is futile.

I don't believe in a "let it lie" attitude but to question is good. But bolster your own belief system with random facts to co-join them to "prove" your theories will out you as a loon, at best a conspiracy theorist in the David Ike mould.

Question all you like, its healthy but try to prove it and force others to your belief system and you will ultimately fail.

I don't believe a lot of what you say, but I admire your tenacity of execution.

It's clear I'm not entirely satisfied by the official story and it's also clear that there are many other like me that feel the same way...

Critical evaluation is fine, but what you present doesn’t stand up to the most basic level of scrutiny. Why is it that serious news outlets aren’t interested in any of this?

no doubt many people are scared to speak out because of the venom and disdain aimed at anyone 'foolish' enough to question such things.

Well that’s not true at all is it

Why is it that serious news outlets aren’t interested in any of this?

Why didn't they make more of a fuss at the 28 redacted pages of the 9/11 Commission report?

at the time of the report or when they were released in 2001?

Could you make your vague and imprecise claims a little less vague and imprecise?

PS they did make a "fuss" both times I think you mean leap to fanciful conspiratorial conclusions with no evidence to support them

Why didn't they make more of a fuss at the 28 redacted pages of the 9/11 Commission report?

They did. I knew about it, and so did lots of other people who don’t frequent PrisonPlanet.com for their daily “news”

And by the way, what did those 28 pages reveal when they were declassified ?

Surely they must have revealed a massive conspiracy, as all the truthers banged on about for 15 years ?
No ?

Why didn't they make more of a fuss at the 28 redacted pages of the 9/11 Commission report?

What do you think?

Can you lot show me the front page news regarding the 28 pages?

Did they for example receive nearly as much coverage as announcement of a royal wedding?

What do you think?

Don’t ask him what he thinks. He only deals in “facts” not opinions.
He won’t offer an opinion Ffs.

despite everyone trying to crowbar an opinion out of me

An opinion really shouldn’t be something to be ashamed of.

Unless it’s complete bollocks of course.

In that case, avoid letting anyone know what it is at all costs .

Can you lot show me the front page news regarding the 28 pages?

I asked first. .....

So.

And by the way, what did those 28 pages reveal when they were declassified ?