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How dare you suggest he was making it all up.
I'm not - it's perfectly possible for things to be considered not harmful in general, but harmful to some. Peanuts for example.
But you can’t name a single research paper that you think has the problems you describe?
Eh? I haven't described any problems. The whole cell phones cause cancer BS is just that and I spent a lot of time discussing it on the thread linked above.
I think you have the wrong impression that I disagree with you.
TBH for all the codswallop spouted by the anti-radiation group there's almost an equal amount spouted by the non-worriers.
Couple of examples
The Earth is bombarded with electromagnetic radiation, the sun started doing it a long time after the rest of the universe already had been doing. Gods help them when they discover microwave ovens or radios.
Just because X amount of something is fine doesn't mean XXX amount of the same thing is also fine.
Quite a convenient timescale that isn’t it? It means you can maintain this position without any risk of being shown to be wrong. A fundamentally unscientific stance.
The scientific stance being not to be concerned about anything that might happen long term, as we personally won't be around anyway. Yay.
FWIW I am am a) not personally worried about this issue and b) no sort of expert on this at all 🙂
Just annoyed about silly arguments, from either side of any discussion.
EM radiation from the sun does definitely cause cancer, but this is a fair bit more powerful than a 5G tower 🙂
I wonder if there's a variant of Dunning-Kruger at play here?
"But we don't really understand the science!" is often claimed of things like 5G masts and coronavirus vaccines when what people really mean is "I don't understand the science (and therefore conclude that it must be wrong)."
The Dunning-Cougar Effect? 😁
TBH for all the codswallop spouted by the anti-radiation group there’s almost an equal amount spouted by the non-worriers.
Couple of examples
The Earth is bombarded with electromagnetic radiation, the sun started doing it a long time after the rest of the universe already had been doing. Gods help them when they discover microwave ovens or radios.
Just because X amount of something is fine doesn’t mean XXX amount of the same thing is also fine.
This is true. But it's also wildly different from what I wrote in that quote you're calling codswallop.
There's a reason why having a one-off X-ray is considered perfectly fine but radiologers leave the room. If the radiation from the sun suddenly tripled, we'd be having a bad day. Hell, drinking too much water can kill you, why don't we hear people squawking about Big H2O? That's the shit they put in chemtrails!
Not for people who buy a morning paper with cash, and watch coronation street on live TV when it airs
Ah, I see you've met my village-mates.
I know it was first page but...
I’d forgotten it was there until I read this post.
Makes you think.
Oh, @jonm81 - thanks for posting that link, I'd completely forgotten about it. It's been an entertaining re-read.
Hell, drinking too much water can kill you, why don’t we hear people squawking about Big H2O?
Hey man, do your own research
I just knew someone would post that. 😁
Makes you think.
LOLs
Makes you think.
People constantly underestimate how hard it is to make me think.
The Earth is bombarded with electromagnetic radiation, the sun started doing it a long time after the rest of the universe already had been doing. Gods help them when they discover microwave ovens or radios.
Or a malignant melanoma as a result of UV exposure. That’s Ultraviolet Radiation, which is at the higher end of the spectrum, for those not so familiar with the electromagnetic radiation spectrum.
Just trying to be helpful.
I have a passing knowledge of some of the discussion above - not the technology but how research is commissioned or funded, and whether the results can be trusted as a result.
Of course there can always be outliers and bad apples, but to insinuate that because the Comms companys commission and pay for the work, then it can't be trusted is at best misguided, at worst quite offensive to the integrity of the thousands of researchers that do the work. Which is then reviewed, re-reviewed, then submitted where it is peer reviewed to spot any errors and inconsistencies and then finally published, warts n'all.
In today's litigious society, the thought that the brief is 'if you find anything nasty, sweep it under the carpet eh....' would never get past discussion - my scientists would report this to ethics committees in a heartbeat. The inverse is likely to be true - the researchers will be asked to test at eg: ranges and powers, or in the case of pharma, dosages and frequencies, that are multiples of the intended use rates specifically to find out how far within the safe range things are.
Hush any dodgy stuff up so we can get a massive lawsuit against us in 10 years time...... rarely happens and when it does, dieselgate, etc.
Second point and made previously but I want to extend
It’s impressive how you only have to repeat nonsense long enough and loud enough to have people take it seriously.
It's also impressive how the evidence of someone with an opinion and an internet connection (and possibly a tin foil hat and an axe to grind) is given equal standing to that of someone with decades of research experience and hundreds of peer reviewed papers in serious journals. By all means 'do your own research' but spend some of your research budget on understanding the relative merits of the sources you read.
The irony of "Do your own research" is it is impossible, as that would mean going back to school, uni, getting a PHD in the latest scary topic, and then getting a research lab with millions in funding to actually do some research.
Watching a youtube video of Dorris the nurse who wants to tell us about all the fake covid is not research. It is monetising someone who is at best misguided, or at worst willing to mislead people for money.
I've unfortunately got skin in the game here, with a 'close' relative with a lot going on in terms of health, that's become pretty dependent on another 'close' relative, and who's done their own research and would appear to be systematically converting the other relative to the idea that EMR is an enormous issue that is causing a huge degree of their health problems, and that the house they are in is effectively 'ill' and phones must be off, WiFi is off, smart meters are pure evil, 5g is going to hurt us all, etc etc.
Sadly the second relative is getting on a bit and I feel has lost the strength to be objective about what is being pushed constantly.
It's become impossible for me to convey any idea of objectivity to the subject and I am considered against them now because I talk of self diagnosis being a really unreliable thing for health issues and confirmation bias in 'research' also being a huge issue.
It's absolutely awful to be honest and it's completely splitting my once close family apart.
Completely lost as to what to do.
Trying to make any inroads and challenging anything is met with aggression, or total silence.
The irony of “Do your own research” is it is impossible, as that would mean going back to school, uni, getting a PHD in the latest scary topic, and then getting a research lab with millions in funding to actually do some research.
And even then your research would be based on countless others' research.
20 years working in telecoms and I'm less concerned now about exposure to RF than ever.
Accessing any rooftop with a telecoms site, we now carry a Nardalert and I've never had it alarm.
I'm more worried about the years spent working in construction from the late 80's through to 2001.
Who knows what I was exposed to then with very little regard for H&S.
The irony of “Do your own research” is it is impossible
But the folks that say that are expressly interested in you NOT going to reputable sources for your information, what they mean (even if if they don't say it) is "Read the same horseshit half truths, conspiracy, speculation, and cos-play science that I've been taken in by"
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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