[Closed] 5 weeks ago I was 14.5st...

Hah !, nice try. You prove to me it was only fat you lost !

You forgotten which point you were arguing?

[i]You forgotten which point you were arguing?

[/i]

Nope !, you claimed it was all fat. Thats BS ! Mr Qualified !

If I need some goalposts moving, would you be free tomorrow Solo?

Of course if we are talking bed ridden patients or those so fat they cant exercise then yes i agree with you but neither me nor the op fall into that catagory

What is interesting are the studys suggesting the more complex a diet is the more likely it is to fail and also those that point out that those studys that are suggesting moving more and eating less dont work are bullshine - bit like mythbusters really.

Its all genetics really obesityis nothing to do with enviroment and expected behaviors at all.... Couldnt possibly get sweaty, must take the car everywhere

Go back even to my grandparents time and being fat was the preserve of the rich or the retired. The working class didnt have the time or money to get fat. Life is too easy and sedantary and many of us will choose the easy life. Many of us will go to the gym and say we worked out when reality is we didnt break a bead of sweat and we will say we are eating less when infact we are not, most move more eat less failures fail because they are not eating less and not moving more.

All observations from my own facebook feed - so will be instantly dismissed under the many anacdotes does not make data rule in favour of heavily skewed strudies into lack weight loss by fat giffers

I need to bench press a tubby tomorrow. Sadly G is now off my tubster list.

You fancy the job solo?

Ok then. So how much water to store 1g of Carb in the body ?

I have no idea. How much water is needed to store a gram of glycogen or a gram of fat in the body?

Nope !, you claimed it was all fat. Thats BS ! Mr Qualified !

No I said that it seems to all be fat. We've had that argument and settled it.

OP What's the medication for?

Merak - tricyclic antidepressant.

[i]I have no idea.[/i]
8)

As I've posted earlier [b]and most have chosen to ignore[/b]. [u]You've lost weight, good for you[/u]. Please don't ruin it by withholding important details about meds or telling folk who know better that its just move more and eat less.

As for the name callers. 😀 You're big behind your keyboards, but as you can see, I don't give a shit.

EDIT:
[i]No I said that it seems to all be fat. We've had that argument and settled it[/i]
So you admit you're guessing ?

You should try eating less and moving more Solo; if nothing else it might improve your ability to argue your point.

...and you started the name calling.

So your claim:
Seems to be all fat
Is just conjecture.
The presence of the word "seems" would kind of imply that - hence it's presence.

You got the memory of a fat goldfish?

[img] [/img]

You're big behind your keyboards,

I think we might have an inkling who is big behind his keyboard 😉

Shouldn't this thread have been titled:

[i]5 weeks ago I was 14.5st...[/i] [b]despite the fact that I'm on Carb craving meds ! Yay !.[/b]
8)

That would have set for a quieter night.
😉

I lost 10lbs in 3 days last week following a strict no fat no sugar diet. Coincidentally I did interval sessions on my turbo interspersed with running and commuting by bike to work.

It seems watching your calorie intake combined with rigorous anaerobic exercise contributes greatly to weight loss.

I'm doing it again next week. Fwiw I weigh 73 kilos.

The drunken rage of solo is a sight to behold. Carry on sir!

Oh and op, fair play.

What difference does me being on appetite stimulating meds make? That was a constant throughout and has been for the last couple of years. I seems to remember asking this question earlier in the thread but did not get an answer. If you do not answer this time I'll just have to assume that you do not know of a difference.

Shouldn't this thread have been titled:

5 weeks ago I was 14.5st... despite the fact that I'm on Carb craving meds ! Yay !.

Why is the reason for weight gain occupying so much of your attention?

The weight loss by calorie restriction added to the extra exercise is the method of weight loss; why are you struggling to comprehend this?

[i]It seems watching your calorie intake combined with rigorous anaerobic exercise contributes greatly to weight loss. Who have think it! [/i]

[img] [/img]

[i]The weight loss by calorie restriction added to the extra exercise is the method of weight loss; why are you struggling to comprehend this? [/i]

Depends on what weight you're losing. Why are you struggling to comprehend this ?
*I don't need your answer*

Are you drinking absinthe?

As I've posted earlier and most have chosen to ignore. You've lost weight, good for you.

It was about your tenth post on the subject whereas everyone else said well done straight off the bat, does that not say somethings Solo.

5 weeks ago I was 13st. Then I went on holiday, drank lots of beer, ate lots of food and did no exercise. Now I'm 14st. Probably just a coincidence though.

Ocht - I was hoping for an answer to my question. I'm sad now. 😥

*I don't need your answer*

I think you probably need a lie down.

Well done.

I weighed myself at 105kg (230pounds) about 7 years ago. I was exercising, but eating way too much.
Cut back on the food and got my weight down to the 80 - 85kg range.
I am now eating much more and my weight is down to below 75kg due to me training for the Marmotte.

And no, I have not been on any medication.

It has mainly been by cutting out chocolate and other sugar, and understanding what a proper portion of food is (much less than I ever thought)

Typical of this place. I've stated on numerous posts that its good for the OP to have lost weight, esp if they are happy with it.

My issue was with how its claimed its only as simply as move more, eat less.

Most have chosen to ignore this, for a chance to have go. As before, I don't give a fig what you call me, that you chose to selectively read my posts so as to have a go, only goes to highlight you're prejudice.

Merak - Member
OP What's the medication for?

It was for Soloitis.

Anyhows. Fat,water,muscle.. who cares which it was. It's gone! I'm still confused by the 'dear oh dear',shaking of the head attitude by that guy. It's no wonder a few folk have left stw because of the asshats that crop up on here. So nasty.

My issue was with how its claimed its only as simply as move more, eat less.

And i've asked you to enlighten us all with the information you have as to why it was not a case of moving more and eating less. So far, when I ask you a question where you might need to demonstrate a tiny wee bit of knowledge on the subject of weight loss you have declined to answer.

Fire away. I'm genuinely interested.

Solo: What do you weigh?

highlight you're prejudice.

You are the only one displaying prejudice by implying that weight loss cannot be achieved by eating less and moving more, and by rubbishing those for whom this strategy has worked.

[i]It was about your tenth post on the subject whereas everyone else said well done straight off the bat, does that not say somethings Solo.

[/i]

As you have the abacus, how many posts until OP disclosed they were on appetite stimulating meds ?

As you have the abacus, how many posts until OP disclosed they were on appetite stimulating meds ?

How many times do I have to ask you what difference those appetite stimulating meds would make - given that they remained constant throughout?

how many posts until OP disclosed they were on appetite stimulating meds

..and for the second time, why is the cause of weight gain important?

..and why are you ignoring the method of weight loss?

..and how much have you had to drink?

..and I thought you were going to bed?

Given some of the op's previous on stw, i'm sure he will survive the mental duress of another contributor acting the arse with him. But fair play on the weight loss, good effort op.

I struggle with long sentences AND I'm also not reading all that shit (oh, hang on, I just did)

Solo - I'm sure that you know what you're talking about or at least you've read loads but, on pretty much every one of these recurrent threads, you imply your expertise without passing on any usable information.

Just seems a shame, and a teeny tiny bit condescending, to do so

[i]Just seems a shame, and a teeny tiny bit condescending, to do so

[/i]

Well, then like most here, and not surprisingly so. You've missed the parts where I've congratulated the OP on their weight loss, but only disputed that its only fat thats been lost (still no admission from the OP that using the word '[i]seems[/i]' fools no one) or that weight loss in general is solely about moving more and eating less. Those who cling to their pitchforks have failed to read this or have selectively failed to read this. Thats no surprise also. Theres loads of science out there which shows its a bit more complicated in Humans than move more and eat less. But its easier for the lazy to have a pop at someone who has spent their own money on books and read up on the subject.

8)

Shred - Member

and understanding what a proper portion of food is (much less than I ever thought)

That's it in a nut shell, finally some understands. Good work.

Ps wtf is solo all about?

As you have the abacus, how many posts until OP disclosed they were on appetite stimulating meds ?

Its hugely irrelevant in most cases but you seem incapable of saying "good work mate and well done".

Whether it was depression, meds, an intimate relationship with his fridge. He is happier and healthier and thats the important issue.

Really why can people just not e nice on here, debate is OK but this is rediculous, he was overweight, he lost some. I am over weight and losing some.

For the record Solo I am overweight as I am fat bastard. I like food and beer far too much. I was eating too much and not moving enough thats why I am overweight, no drugs, never needed anything to stimulate my appetite. Now I move more and eat less I am losing it. Weird but from a survey of two people who do not know each other eating less and moving more seems to be working. Must be a bloody miracle as there is no peer reviewed empirical evidence that simply eating less and moving more should work.

last weekend I rode 220km in the mountains. I then went home and ate fish, chips and a loaf of bread. I lost 3kg. In your face, science.

My issue was with how its claimed its only as simply as move more, eat less.

That wasn't your issue. Your issue was that the weight lost was only fat.

Your first text post in this thread was

Seems to be all fat that I've lost too. Cant be bad.

[b]And you know this, how ? [/b]

Although it could be said you clearly have multiple issues.

Those who cling to their pitchforks have failed to read this or have selectively failed to read this. Thats no surprise also

Your congratulations appear to have been prompted by universal distain for the attitude shown in your original posts, as any positive comments from you were posted only after you are criticised.

I've got a PhD, but I don't think it gives me the right to be an arse in a conversation based on my field of expertise.

But its easier for the lazy to have a pop at someone who has spent their own money on books and read up on the subject.

Aaaah, a self-taught expert then?

Blimey....

Wonder how many calories solo burned up practising that hard to be an arse,he should sell diet plans online,who knows it might take off.

Well done op,pity you mislead us so much on your reasons for gaining weight! 🙄

From reading his posts I take it solo took his user name from the number of people who turned up to his childhood parties/facebook friends/non work numbers in his phone?

I've also lost over two stone and a half stone (though over a much longer period than the OP) using the "unscientific" method of Move More, Eat Less.

And I was likewise congratulated by Solo telling me I hadn't [i]really[/i] lost weight, that I'd done immeasurable harm to my body, and that I'd soon pile it back on.

Well.. still here, still feeling good, still getting compliments, still buying new clothes.

Sorry for not fitting your dataset either.

I'm quite certain that it IS more complex than "Eat Less, Move More" (the human body is a complex thing after all) but that simple guideline does seem to work for a remarkable number of people.

Moreover, I have seen some pretty convincing evidence that alternative diets turn people into belligerent trolls, so I think I'll keep munching those carbs. Mmmmmm... carbs.

Congratulation to OP. that's a great loss, hope you're feeling and enjoying the benefits.

problem IME is when you stop doing the long rides, the weight comes back with extras.

3 years ago I rode to Rome. Started at 93kg, ended at 86kg - lost 7 kg in 2 weeks.

Now 100kg and struggling to shift it. Sadly, haven't time to ride 100 miles a day...

and has your diet hasnt changed at all ....

if you eat in excess then of course your going to gain weight - its just that 100miles a day brought your original diet into a deficit.

Is solo fred?

Eat less of the bad stuff, more of the good stuff, run, bike, swim, walk, or whatever you like more and portion control.....

Pretty certain that would work for most people who made that change to their life for their entire lives.

No scientific basis of course but less energy in, more energy expended must be a good thing, especially as energy can't be created just converted....

A fantastic effort by Glup, and Solo is being a complete arse and I suspect is an armchair expert with no qualifications as he hasn't posted to prove them.

Seems tends to imply an impression rather that a statement of fact. Get over yourself.

and has your diet hasn't changed at all ...

Indeed so. Hence agreeing with the 'Move a bit more and eat a bit less'. Struggling to shift it' of course means 'Struggling to eat less'. Mrs flap_jack currently in kitchen making cake. I can't disappoint her by not eating it, can I...

you could distribute the wealth - as i just explained to a colleague whos brought in sausage butties his mrs made him for today 😀

well done losing weight. I suppose what works for one person may be different to what works for another.

No scientific basis of course but less energy in, more energy expended must be a good thing, especially as energy can't be created just converted....

I've never understood why people think this is unscientific. It's just a lay description of the laws of thermodynamics. Granted it's missing a few subtleties but unscentific it is not.

Well done OP 😀

Q: How low can you go?

A: S o l o

or that weight loss in general is solely about [b]moving more and eating less.[/b] Those who cling to their pitchforks have failed to read this or have selectively failed to read this.

http://singletrackmag.com/members/solo/profile/

Name solo
About Me Eat better, move around a bit

I've also lost over two stone and a half stone (though over a much longer period than the OP) using the "unscientific" method of Move More, Eat Less.

I've lost weight while eating more, which is probably even more unscientific 🙂 Training for a marathon does that, apparently.

OP: well done, it's a great feeling when you start needing to buy new trousers, and you run out of holes on your belt.

Is this thread for real? I think if users had their age against their username we'd pretty much see the issue. 8 year olds arguing with grown men. Right I'm off out in the sunshine to maintain my weight.

But its easier for the lazy to have a pop at someone who has spent their own money on books and read up on the subject.
Aaaah, a self-taught expert then?

Isn't this how Einstein became an expert?

bearnecessities - Member
or that weight loss in general is solely about moving more and eating less. Those who cling to their pitchforks have failed to read this or have selectively failed to read this.
> http://singletrackmag.com/members/solo/profile/

Name solo
About Me Eat better, move around a bit

Good work 🙂

Also, Solo looks like Voldemort

Also, Solo looks like Voldemort

[url=

horror...the..horror[/url]

Congratulations Glupton! You've lost weight, haven't done any bizarre diets and you feel better for it.

5 weeks ago I was 13st. Then I went on holiday, drank lots of beer, ate lots of food and did no exercise. Now I'm 14st. Probably just a coincidence though.

That'll be that foreign air.

BTW I lost over a stone over winter. I didn't cut out any foods (so if I ate a whole pack of Tunnocks that a rep left) I'd just reduce my next meal. Rode shitloads though.

Well done glupton

.

Solo - Member

what I like most about the morons on STW is .......

You are displaying a stunning lack of self-awareness Solo if you are accusing [i]others[/i] of being morons.

As your repeated use of laughing emoticons and hugely arrogant, judgmental, and childish, ridicule,
on this thread, clearly betrays.

Bizarrely, the only health professionals I've ever spoken with, namely doctors and gym staff have been strong advocates of this "eat less, move more" diet the OP used.

Maybe whitepapers don't still get written on it as it's painfully obvious and must have been known for a good few thousand years. Come to think of it, I've noticed a distinct lack of recent evidence that the earth isn't flat. Makes you wonder?

Well done Glupton.
I've adopted the same method & lost half a stone in 14 days.
Good innit?

More importantly, does your aunty know you're doing 300km audaxes on her tricycle?

OP - Well done great effort!! 🙂

Solo - you have indeed come across as a right twunt... Oh well, some on every forum!...

well done mate, good effort. can be hard to be disciplined sometimes cant it, but worth it in the end 😀

on the off-chance that you return to this:

Solo - Member
[i]Just seems a shame, and a teeny tiny bit condescending, to do so[/i]

[b]Well, then like most here, and not surprisingly so. You've missed the parts where I've congratulated the OP on their weight loss, but only disputed that its only fat thats been lost[/b]

Who else wonders how much of a hangover Solo has this morning? 🙂

Btw, congrats to the OP

I've noticed that most of the people who don't believe in "eat less, move more" are fat bastards.

Basic premise -"That may work in practice, but it doesn't fit my theory, therefore it cannot be true, bring me another doughnut."

What. No idave? How can this be!!!

But I believe it and I'm 18st!

i get what solos saying tbh , its just the way he says it.

he is saying that if i exercise and diet to lose weight THEN return to my sedentary life style my body will still be in fight mode and pile on the pounds incase i decide to do it again - there are heaps and heaps of studies proving this.

it just proves that moving more and eating less is a lifestyle not a quick fix - how it should be.

yoyo dieting is less healthy than just being healthy shocker.

This is the thing.

The most important part of weight-loss.

Its diet & lifestyle. I don't mean dieting, things like weight-watcher et al are a con.

You have to have a more concerted effort towards weight-loss rather than just cutting out the crap & eating salads for a month.

Well done OP! Now for the hard part - keeping it up..

Yes we all agree the hard part is keeping it off, having lost weight regained it etc myself as I think most people who have put a few pounds on have been through this.

Changing your lifestyle and realising where you made mistakes in the past, certainly for me its when I stop training I do not moderate my diet accordingly.

However most if not all of what Solo said in this thread was for effect, rather than coming across as in any way intelligent he contradicted what is said in his profile, challenged the OP and made himself out to be the moron he seem to see on STW.

We all have our moments but this forum would be a lot better place if more people acted like adults. A healthy debate is fine and we can all agree to disagree, there are some great professionals on here and some highly intelligent individuals who offer help and support and generally good advice.

If the OP had been of lesser character he may have been reaching for the fridge after that onslaught.

We should be supportive of a fellow STWers as we have seen great threads on here when people have needed help and support. As most have done, congratulating the OP on an achievement and also encouraging him to keep it off.

STW is a great place with a wealth of talent, unfortunately there are a few who let it down. Good to see though that the collective have pointed out the error of his ways.

Has anyone else (sorry, not read [i]all[/i] posts) made the assumption that Solo = TandemJeremy?

Interesting use of alternative log-in? similar argumelympian style of the legend himself?

And he would've got away with it if it wasn't for..... 🙂

To glupton - top effort that man.

I am now 110 kilos after being 125 when I made a concerted effort at sustainable eating habits that matched my exercise, which was back in September. Slow and steady, but seems to be sticking.(cutting out a [s]glass[/s] goblet of wine every evening was the most recent big breakthrough)

Keep it up, I am struggling at the mo, but the lure of more riding, and nice fresh veggies from local farm, is helping.

Kev

Solo is not TJ.

TJ was looking in on the thread last night and told me that he didnt think much of Solo's argument.

🙁

*goes back to proper work, not Columbo style sleuthing* 🙂

Yes, as good as it is for the OP to have lost that extra weight, the real test is in making sure it doesn't creep back on. Weight loss has to be done over the long term and in the context of sustained lifestyle change for that loss to remain permanent. Rebound from rapid weight loss could see you putting on more than you lost. So, good luck and more power to the OP!

Though there are extremely complex reasons for the debates going on in dieticians' labs, for the layperson it's not bad advice to advocate the dictum move more and eat less rubbish.

As with any unhealthy foods, the same goes for any new scientifically-based weight loss trend - take it in moderation! E.g. eat less sugar, fewer carbs, less alcohol. Stay within healthy calorie limits. Exercise more.

But really, at the end of the day, we're all different. What works for one human body doesn't work for others. Solo should probably apologise for his one-man flame-war, even on that basis.