[Closed] £30 for 480ml of sea water!?!

If someone else uses them, you're still a mug.

You could get the same results with a glass of tap water and a pinch of salt.

Not unless they've got life changing results from it 😆

If not then yeah, I'm still a mug..

I've now followed the link.

Thirty quid for a bottle of sea water, to add near-homeopathic amounts into drinking water? **** me, I'm in the wrong business.

Not unless they've got life changing results from it

Anecdotes are not evidence.

Also, in case I was ambiguous in my first reply:

[i]IT'S SALT![/i]

The low salt salt is about 60% potassium and costs a couple of quid from most supermarkets.

Cougar - Moderator

IT'S SALT!

Salt's Sodium IIRC

Bloody good stuff that. It is expensive, but you add 2.5ml to a bottle, so that’ll last a good while. Hideously overpriced, but definitely reduced my cramping in races. #SnakeOilVictory

Cougar
Anecdotes are not evidence.

Also, in case I was ambiguous in my first reply:

IT'S SALT!

Yep, I'm clutching at straws 😆

Potassium salt and magnesium salts are both good for different things I think

Damn. Have to admire them.
So basically a salt tablet but since its done the long winded way charge even more. Even with Maldon sea salt would be able to make a profit.

I think zinc chloride too

Salt's Sodium IIRC

Sodium chloride. If you're putting sodium in your water then you're going to have an eventful time.

Bloody good stuff that. It is expensive, but you add 2.5ml to a bottle, so that’ll last a good while. Hideously overpriced, but definitely reduced my cramping in races. #SnakeOilVictory

At the risk of repeating myself,

Cougar - Moderator
IT'S SALT!

That's what salt does.

definitely reduced my cramping in races.

So it's not salt then. Just to confirm before the OP starts pouring salt in his bidons.

Get the low salt stuff I suggested (which is more than 50% potassium)

Crosshair just tried to sell me magic beans.

I’m not that stupid, unless someone here has had life changing results from them? 😉

I think I’m good for salt for the next year or so, but will check out this cheaper low salt salt stuff for next time...

I don’t care - I absolutely love this stuff. I’ve got a tiny pocket bottle which I take on rides with me. First twinge of cramp and I pop a couple of drops on my tongue and I’m fresh as a daisy again. A little bottle lasts me aaaaages.

Do some reading. The RDA for potassium is pretty high IIRC and most people probably don't reach it, let alone those that sweat it out during exercise.

Cripes!

Come surfing with me, you can drink all the sea water your body will hold without drowning..

Works for me, costs me nothing, fit as a fit thing (currently drunk, but hey) and if you like I’ll charge you £30 for the privilege..

Mug.

The elete range of 100% natural, ionically charged electrolyte products are derived from the solar evaporation of the mineral-rich water of the Great Salt Lake in Utah with nothing else added.

Damn. Have to admire them.

I bought a kilo of naturally harvested Atlantic sea salt whilst on holiday. Fantastic crystal structure and unique mineral content

Yours for £200, should last years if diluted appropriately

I don't think you sweat just normal salt. Electrolyte tabs are potassium, sodium, calcium and magnesium salts.

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I don't think you sweat just normal salt. Electrolyte tabs are potassium, sodium, calcium and magnesium salts.

Whilst electrolytes have been used for many years by athletes and sports professionals, existing products and brands will typically contain only one or two electrolytes, usually in a non-ionically charged form which are not easily assimilated by the body. For optimum benefits and hydration, all four major electrolytes (in particular magnesium) are required in an ionically charged form; in fact electrolytes are only true electrolytes when they are ionically charged as they do not function properly otherwise.

Sweating and physical stress deplete magnesium which works with other electrolytes to prevent muscle cramps and helps the body to properly utilize oxygen, so magnesium replacement is essential for sports people. elete contains a perfectly balanced ionically charged combination of magnesium and the three other major mineral electrolytes (potassium, sodium and chloride), as well as over 60 other naturally occurring trace and ultra trace elements.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

pork scratchings

Cheap compared to the stuff I buy

http://osil.com/Products/IAPSOSeawaterStandards/tabid/113/agentType/View/PropertyID/47/Default.aspx

usually in a non-ionically charged form which are not easily assimilated by the body. For optimum benefits and hydration, all four major electrolytes (in particular magnesium) are required in an ionically charged form; in fact electrolytes are only true electrolytes when they are ionically charged as they do not function properly otherwise.

I did a degree in chemistry, and unless you're explaining this really badly, you're wrong.

You stick sodium chloride in water you get Na+(aq) and Cl-(aq), you mix it with potassium bromide you get K+(aq) Br-(aq), the cool trick is if you separate it out (not that easy, it's probably eutectic) you get Sodium Bromide and Potassium Chloride.

I can't believe people are buying this nevermind admitting to it. **** me, I think this will take some beating.

I was under the impression that the theory that it's down to a lack of salts, electrolytes etc had been thoroughly debunked as the cause of cramps?

Isn’t salt in sperm, maybe that’s a new source for eliciting trace elements...

Oh Ffs.

That is all I can say.

Ffs is not nutritional, by the way, it's a polite way of expressing distain.

@ Vinney

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Whilst+electrolytes+have+been+used+for+many+years+by+athletes+and+sports+professionals%2C+existing+products+and+brands+will+typically+contain+only+one+o&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=4jPlWdaUBKfH8AfBtoSYBg

Please quote your sources.

I don’t care - I absolutely love this stuff. I’ve got a tiny pocket bottle which I take on rides with me. First twinge of cramp and I pop a couple of drops on my tongue and I’m fresh as a daisy again. A little bottle lasts me aaaaages.

4.8 out of 5 on the Amazon reviews too.

Makes me despair on 2 levels.

The lack of morality to be able to come up with it and sell it.

Secondly that people actually buy it.

Probably a few rich guys on yachts laughing their heads off at the life they have made selling salt as a premium product.

Isn’t salt in sperm, maybe that’s a new source for eliciting trace elements...

a long time ago in a galaxy far away - an ex-girlfriend once told me i needed more salt in my diet

First twinge of cramp and I pop a couple of drops on my tongue and I’m fresh as a daisy again. A little bottle lasts me aaaaages.

Ah yes the obecalp effect

I love these threads they bumble along until someone tries a bit of science to justify their argument then I begin to despair at how technically illiterate we really are. (and I'm at the front of the queue).

Fart in a jar anyone?

Yellow snow endurance enhancing slush puppies will be the next big thing - you heard it here first.

Yeah, and a little bottle of natural sea salt, sourced by natural evaporation, will do the same, last the same, and cost a lot less.

I'm not sticking up for the product (I'd use cheap electrolyte powder) but surely sea salt is not the same as electrolyte mix?

I’m not justifying it, it worked for me, so I (used to) use it. Don’t race now, and don’t have cramp issues. I tried a lot of things - at least 5 different energy drinks, electrolyte tablets, magnesium supplements, water, squash, drinking more, drinking less, alternating drinks. Adding Elete to High 5 worked for me.

I probably spent £50 on it in a period when I spent £1000 on entry fees, plus thousands on travel costs, bikes etc. I probably spent three times as much on tyre sealant!

Salt probably would’ve worked just fine, but meh, it’s convenient.

I’m not justifying it, it worked for me, so I (used to) use it. Don’t race now, and don’t have cramp issues. I tried a lot of things - at least 5 different energy drinks, electrolyte tablets, magnesium supplements, water, squash, drinking more, drinking less, alternating drinks. Adding Elete to High 5 worked for me.

I probably spent £50 on it in a period when I spent £1000 on entry fees, plus thousands on travel costs, bikes etc. I probably spent three times as much on tyre sealant!

Salt probably would’ve worked just fine, but meh, it’s convenient.

That's fair really. In the grand scheme of things, in your context (and OPs) it's a drop in the ocean 😉 of cost compared to the overall plan.

Live and learn!

To be honest; If it stops the horrid cramp after a hard race then it'll be £30 "well" spent

I've tried racing with gels, electrolyte tabs, coffee, energy drinks, energy bars, plain water, juice, stretching after, pre stretching, long warm ups, long cool downs, naturally salty foods afterwards, adding salt to meals and none of it seems to have worked at stopping the cramp later in the day.

I'll just be making my own in the future 😆

Is this one of those forum in-jokes, or are people actually singing the praises of £60/litre sea water?

Poopscoop - Member
4.8 out of 5 on the Amazon reviews too.

Makes me despair on 2 levels.

The lack of morality to be able to come up with it and sell it.

Secondly that people actually buy it.

Probably a few rich guys on yachts laughing their heads off at the life they have made selling salt as a premium product.

This sums it up.

I love these threads they bumble along until someone tries a bit of science to justify their argument then I begin to despair at how technically illiterate we really are.

Science lifted directly from the front page of Elete's website.

Salt probably would’ve worked just fine, but meh, it’s convenient.

How the great suffering zarqon is salt inconvenient? It's salt not a ****ing buffalo.

I love these threads they bumble along until someone tries a bit of science to justify their argument then I begin to despair at how [s]technically[/s] illiterate we really are.

Salt is a sodium salt. Sperm is not the same as semen, or seminal fluid. Gender fluid is something else again. Snakes DO contain oil.

Snakes DO contain oil.

Which has real medicinal qualities.

The 'selling snake oil' adage comes from people selling liquids purporting to be snake oil that weren't, and were in fact useless, rather than snake oil itself being useless, because it isn't.

When I feel I need to replenish electrolyte levels I simply lick my hologram power band

Pervert

How the great suffering zarqon is salt inconvenient? It's salt not a ****ing buffalo.

Because I CBA taking a ****ing salt cellar to a race and grinding an indiscriminate amount of the stuff into a bottle. Bikes are comparatively expensive, and that stuff costs sod all in the grand scheme of things. I'm not justifying it, luckily I don't have to. YMMV.

Shall I add to the list of things I've spent more on?

- grips
- chains
- tyres (probably by a factor of 10)
- bottle cages

In fact the prizes I've sold (because they're usually terrible) have made me more money than I've spent on Elete. So I'm actually in profit!

I'm not sticking up for the product (I'd use cheap electrolyte powder) but surely sea salt is not the same as electrolyte mix?

Because I CBA taking a **** salt cellar to a race and grinding an indiscriminate amount of the stuff into a bottle. Bikes are comparatively expensive, and that stuff costs sod all in the grand scheme of things. I'm not justifying it, luckily I don't have to. YMMV.

grinding an indiscriminate amount of the stuff into a bottle

... which is a madness in itself. I have a salt grinder. Why?! It came with the pepper mill, who the hell needs freshly ground salt FFS. It's not like once it's ground it starts to go off.

In Lithuania you can buy special salty mineral water from saline aquifers in all the supermarkets. Mineral content varies by brand but up to 10% sea water.

Thing is it costs tupence as folk aren't daft there. You could import it, should make a fortune.

For optimum benefits and hydration, all four major electrolytes (in particular magnesium) are required in an ionically charged form; in fact electrolytes are only true electrolytes when they are ionically charged as they do not function properly otherwise.

Ok so my PhD is organic chemistry but this is nonsensical. Electrolytes,by definition, dissociate to ions when dissolved in water. If they don't they're not electrolytes. If your magnesium isn't in an ionic form then it's metallic, which I'd suggest would be ineffective in any sort of sports drink.

^I'm a chemical engineer working in the production inorganic chemicals and I concur that the above is bollocks.