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Look at the polices and look at how they are good for the average person. Look at Tory policies and see how they are not as good for the average person.
Yet time after time, Conservative government. One of three things is at play there:
A) You're wrong about who is average and what's good for them
B) you're right, and they're wrong about what's good for them
C) Every average person who votes tory does so simply because they like the colour blue
One of three things is at play there:
A rather large simplification there. Can you really, honestly only think of three reasons?
the LibDems are seen by some to be moderate Tories who want Brexit stopped.
There's not a cat in hell's chance of the lib dems beating JRM. There's very little chance of labour beating him too, but it's a lot more likely than the lib dems. And yet, through some fraudulent polling, the lib dems are pretending they are the best option to beat him, making it more likely that he'll stay in place. Beating JRM would massively help the remain cause, but as always, the neo-llbdems are only interested if it benefits them directly.
A rather large simplification there. Can you really, honestly only think of three reasons?
I can't immediately think of one which isn't one of those three in a fancy frock. (open to suggestions though)
I think perhaps we're accrediting the bulk of the populace with too much in the way of considered thought.
Over here we're debating the nuances of policies, parties, politicians, campaigns and the B-word. But my day-to-day experience is that the majority of people who actually bother to vote in the first place will simply vote in the way they always have. Given everything that's happened in the last three years, how many people have actually changed their minds? Some have for sure, but not many.
I see it with otherwise politically aligned groups of people, even. I'm a member of a Remain echo-chamber group on Facebook. Everyone agrees with everything all the time, until someone mentions a specific party and then it's all "Iraq war" and "tuition fees" inside of three posts. You could have one party pledging to abolish taxation and another saying they were going to bring about mandatory executions for the over 60s and a lot of folk would still vote for "their" party regardless.
Ie,
A) You’re wrong about who is average and what’s good for them
B) you’re right, and they’re wrong about what’s good for them
C) Every average person who votes tory does so simply because they like the colour blue
It's C), isn't it.
I can’t immediately think of one which isn’t one of those three in a fancy frock.
Well we can start off with how many people actually know what a parties policies are vs how they have been reported in the press.
There are several interesting studies looking at the difference between showing a list of policies to people with just "party a", "party b" and so on vs the same list with the proper names attached.
They all show a mismatch between the two.
Well we can start off with how many people actually know what a parties policies are
So C) then
Mostly B I reckon.
Despite all protestations to the contrary most folk still vote with their wallets and believe that tax cuts will benefit them and not disadvantage them in some other way.
a lot of folk would still vote for “their” party regardless.
Depends - that goes back to the 'tactical' voting thing. Was reading about a company doing polling using AI and social media and big data to get more granular polling data. Seems that in the recent Canadian election people were a) making up their minds in the voting booth and b) were actually voting tactically to vote for their non-first choice to make sure they didnt get their worst choice.
Maybe the people are changing. Traditional polls can't get it right anymore so something is happening
Having listened to Grandads speech I can't disagree with the policies. He's right about most things. I'd question where the forest of money trees are going to come from to pay for it all, but Joris Bohnson is promising to spray money around like a pissed sailer on shore leave himself.
But, as usual, the presentation was dreadful. And the rhetoric at the end was awful too. He just can't help himself. Its sixth form level ranting about lefty bogeymen.
The team around Corbyn have got to realise that it may go down a storm on the Momentum Twitter feed, but the BBC World at One opened with reporting of "Jeremy Corbyn's message of class war..." which is really off-putting for an awful lot of people, and an absolute gift to the Daily Mail et al
If he wants to be taken seriously then all that common room/red flag/chanting stuff needs turning down as its just detracting from policies that should be a no brainer to everybody but the very rich
Having listened to Grandads speech I can’t disagree with the policies. He’s right about most things.
Yes he is and has been right about most things over his career when looking at his voting history.
But as you say the rhetoric will never work. He really needs someone better to manage him (dare I say an Alistair Campbell)
Again binners… there are two big groups of voters he needs to win over… those that have a quick look through the policies and choose to support Labour based on what they see (this happened in 2017 when the manifesto was ‘released’, so will be a big part of the 2019 campaign)… and those that need a popularist narrative with elite bogeymen (this will be the other part of the 2019 campaign, like it or not). The tricky point will be to prevent this two pronged attack from cancelling itself out with a lot of voters. That may well prove to be impossible, but at this point, with this timetable, and these people, it has to be tried, doesn’t it?
He just can’t help himself. Its sixth form level ranting about lefty bogeymen.
Or rather it is fairly obvious counter attack on the Johnson and the hard rights attempt to use the fighting against the elite card themselves.
You'd have to be pretty dense to fall for Boris Johnson positioning himself against 'the Elite'. He's the dictionary definition of it.
That's not what he's trying to do though. His aim is more narrow. The narrative is specifically targeted against an obstructive 'remainer' parliament which is standing in the way of the 'will of the people'.
The self-serving mop's aim isn't what Corbyn describes as 'the elite' ie wealth and privilidge - of which Johnson is the living embodiement. 'The Enemy' is whats envisaged by the daily Mail as some Guardian-reading, socially liberal, pro-immigrant socialist sat around their Islington townhouse eating their organic free-trade hummus, who are standing in the way of Brexit and the 'will of the people'.
That's their 'elite', and they're going to be in attack mode with that narrative for the next 6 weeks.
Its a dangerous game, but he doesn't care about that. It could, hopefully, be countter-productive though by alienating a lot of more moderate Tory voters who'll probably vote Lib Dem instead. That could lose them a lot of traditional Tory seats in the south where people are more socially liberal.
ranting about lefty bogeymen.
Dianne Abbot did "Today" today and they asked her what Labour were going to do to correct the behaviour of the bogeymen. Answer: Nothing. It was embarrassing.
Answer: Nothing. It was embarrassing.
Well generally the actual answer from all parties is "take large donations from them/give them a job as a special adviser" which is much more embarrassing in an election campaign.
Anyone else listen to Corbyn’s speech? He ticked lots of boxes first, with a list of polices that I back 100%, and I think a huge chunk of voters will as well.
That's always been the point - when you listen to what he says it makes complete sense rather than when you listen to what someone's version of what he says.
They are not ‘helping Jacob Rees Mogg’, they are just being more appealing to that particular electorate than the labour party, in this instance, in a bid to win the seat from the Tories
Flawed.
Who wants a party that makes a stand to appeal to the electorate?
That's marketeering.
Come up with your policies, have an ideologically consistent footing and tell it like it is.
Let the electorate decide.
Anyway the tide is turning on the Let's Blame Corbyn channel - plenty of listeners seeing right through Swindleson and the centrists.
Labour are shifting the debate away from Brexit and people aren't buying the status quo of other policies from the right.
Well it looks like its in the bag then, comrade?
when you listen to what he says it makes complete sense rather than when you listen to what someone’s version of what he says.
Not what I meant. There are Labour policies I disagree with, but he rightly focused on the right ones to campaign with, in my opinion. He stuck to some “big changes” that are required ASAP and are supported by a broad base of voters.
That’s marketeering.
In different seats different approaches are required to unseat Conservative MPs. Call it “marketeering” if you want, but the LibDems can win over voters in some currently Tory held seats that the current version of the Labour Party (that I am voting for) can not. Leave them to it. Concentrate on Labour target seats.
****ing FUMING that the blonde buffoon has been doing interviews wearing an NHS branded white coat, whoever gave it to him deserves an arse kicking. In no way does he represent the visions and values of the NHS. He surely shouldn’t be allowed to wear that particular NHS trust’s logo as they should be politically impartial. 🤬🤬🤬
When does Purdah kick in?
Who wants a party that makes a stand to appeal to the electorate?
This is kinda how democracy works, though. If your policies appeal to enough people, you get to enact them. If they appeal to only a small slice of the electorate, the few rather than the many, to coin a phrase, you don't.
wearing an NHS branded white coat,
It's almost as if Boris knows how to win an election. Unless the coat in question was covered in loads of handily placed straps and buckles.
Did you miss the 2016 campaign v8? The NHS logo appeared on Leave battle buses, Facebook advertising, promo videos, etc etc. I know plenty of people who voted Leave to “do right by the NHS”, and the same team are hoping for the same lies to be successful again.
Binners may be right but most of the calls on LBC this aft have been supporting what Corbyn said and saying they will vote Labour, including some Tories. The few anti-voices were a standard Brexit loon that was never going to vote Labour anyway and some confused bloke saying he agreed with what was said but was going to vote Tory because a Corbyn gov would mean he had to leave the country as it would be taken over by raving anti-Semites. He went on to say he didn't agree with the Tories but a Lid Dem vote would be a waste. Funny old game.
You’d have to be pretty dense to fall for Boris Johnson positioning himself against ‘the Elite’.
So a decent proportion of the British electorate then?
The narrative is specifically targeted against an obstructive ‘remainer’ parliament which is standing in the way of the ‘will of the people’.
Nope its a lot wider than that. They are still spinning the anti elite line from the referendum. Javid tried for it again today with the its cos from working class background as opposed to being an arsehole line.
Concentrate on Labour target seats.
You best sit down. Here's a little reminder that the people around Corbyn are still the same muppets they're always been. Ahem....
There are no target seats.
Ultra-Corbynite numbskull 'Chief of Staff' Karie Murphy was shifted out of Corbyns office after widely being held responsible for the conference debacle of trying to get rid of Tom Watson. She was shifted to somewhere where she couldn't do any damage - head of electoral strategy.
When she arrived, she let it be known that there would not be specific target seats - for example seats with a narrow Tory majority - but that all seats would be contested equally.
So somewhere in the stockbroker belt in Surrey, where the labour party recieved 12 votes at the last election, will be getting the same staffing and resources as the key marginal with the most wafter thin of Tory majorities
Absolute ****ing genius!
And due to all the reselection/trigger ballot nonsense, some constituancies still don't have a labour candidate yet.
From Andrew Rawnsley last week:
Jennie Formby, the party’s general secretary, was asked how many constituencies still hadn’t selected a candidate and which ones were on the key seat list. I’m told that she couldn’t answer either question.’
You couldn't make it up. The Labour party hierarchy have still got that 12-bore aimed sqaurely at their own feet and are getting an itchy trigger finger. Their policies might be potentially popular, but the people around Corbyn are still the same blithering incompetents
The team around Corbyn have got to realise that it may go down a storm on the Momentum Twitter feed, but the BBC World at One opened with reporting of “Jeremy Corbyn’s message of class war…” which is really off-putting for an awful lot of people, and an absolute gift to the Daily Mail et al
Yet the Daily Mail reporter was reasonably positive about Corbyn's speech. Perhaps it was off-putting if you're more right wing than the Daily Mail.
Did you miss the 2016 campaign v8? The NHS logo appeared on Leave battle buses
It’s one thing (and bad enough) hijacking the generic NHS logo, quite another to wear the uniform of a specific Trust. It’s suggestive that the NHS organisation supports and endorsed him, which crosses a line in my mind.
FTFY
You haven't fixed anything @raybanwomble . What you've done is display an outstanding lack of political knowledge, specifically regarding the substantial difference between Communism (which features politburos) and Socialism (which among many other differences, does not feature politburos).
Perhaps you should try getting your political information from somewhere more informative than the Mail Online comments section, perhaps The Beano reader's letters page?
Anyone else listen to Corbyn’s speech
Can anyone find the actual text yet (not just a few sound bites) my Googling just returns his conference speech.
Yet the Daily Mail reporter was reasonably positive about Corbyn’s speech. Perhaps it was off-putting if you’re more right wing than the Daily Mail
Oddly the DM also has Labour much closer to the cons in their poll than either ipsos (eve standard) or yougov.
The Labour party hierarchy have still got that 12-bore aimed at their own feet and are getting an itchy trigger finger. Their policies might be potentially popular, but the people around Corbyn are still the same blithering incompetents
You assume close second isn't the aim. In oposition you can have all the fancy policies you want without having to deliver. So long as corbyn doesn't loose too badly he'll likely keep his job as leader. Leave the tories in to shaft the country for a few more years and, when the next election comes around your policy of increasing the ration of smartprice beans for every household sounds very progressive and its actually deliverable.
It’s suggestive that the NHS organisation supports and endorsed him
To me it just suggests he was on one of their sites, no more no less. Same way I'd expect him to be wearing hiviz branded with the main contractor on a building site.
Corbyn clearly has issues with how he comes across... but..
... the Tories surely must get a gruesome kicking this time, for being despicable people and causing this car crash.
Traditional polls can’t get it right anymore so something is happening
Something I can actually add insight to!
The underlying problems of pre-election polling have always been there. The most significant one is FPTP as a voting system - what this means is that every seat is a separate election, and what happens in Mytown doesn't affect the result in Yourtown.
For polling, proportional representation is easy: if 35% of Brits vote Tory, Tories will get something related to 35% of seats. You then pick a sample of 2,000 people across the country to survey, controlling for things like age, gender, socio-economics, do some analysis, and have an answer: Tories will win 35% of seats.
FPTP is much more difficult, because to do it right, you have to survey 2,000 people in EACH SEAT, controlling for age, gender etc. Which is basically impossible. Lord Ashcroft has tried, but his sample sizes are too small, and his results no better than the rest.
In the past, polling firms could cover this up by applying various rules of thumb, like landowners vote Tory, young people are more labour-leaning, etc. Politics now has fragmented to such an extent that the Tories aren't "for those with money", and Labour isn't "for those who want redistribution", but instead candidate personality is a huge factor, and views on Brexit, large-scale renationalisation, racism, anti-Semitism etc all play a part. And you just can't model that across 400 individual seats.
The best polling companies can do is say "we were right, 35% of people voted Tory!!" - and you then point out "yeah, but that bears no relation to the fact that Lib Dems and Greens now have a majority in parliament, you cretins".
Yes and previously you could make assumptions about how voter tendency would translate to particular seats - however Brexit has totally blown that all up - not just changing party alignment between existing parties but also the introduction of a new one and the near-elimination of another. Some strong Labour areas are pro-Brexit and some strong Tory areas aren't.
If you haven’t sworn at the radio today then tune into LBC at 6pm as Nigel Farage drops to his knees and fellates trump for an interview about life, the universe and everything, no doubt the sound quality will experience drop outs as I imagine Farage will be so far up trumps arse he’ll be cosying up to his colon.
I actually think Farage is moderating his polemic as he shapes himself for a broadcast career now.
Less shouty these days.
He only came back into politics because he didn’t get that big money Fox job he thought was waiting for him… or at least that has always been my suspicion.
Apparently trump says he has a magic wand, Eddie Mair on LBC is currently ripping the piss out of trumps statements. 😀
The underlying problems of pre-election polling have always been there. The most significant one is FPTP as a voting system –
All true points you make. I would say though that until recent years pollsters were pretty good at adjusting for factors like voting efficiency and so on and were reasonably good most of the time at making the right call. Recent years have seen them get it completely wrong, so something else is going on. The company I mentioned that I was reading about had got it right were the others have got it wrong so they are capturing something that others aren't.
I suspect the Tory vote will be split by BP and they will win considerably fewer seats than the current polls suggest.
JP
I reckon the BP will only field candidates in Labour strongholds and won't contest anywhere that might result in a tory not getting/keeping their seat. Farage will be rewarded with a seat in the House of Lords as a thank you from Johnson. Drain the swamp indeed...
I reckon the BP will only field candidates in Labour strongholds and won’t contest anywhere that might result in a tory not getting/keeping their seat. Farage will be rewarded with a seat in the House of Lords as a thank you from Johnson. Drain the swamp indeed…
I don't believe that's the plan.
JP
Hope you are correct.
If needs be (as the tactical voting sites seem to suggest they do), I will hold my nose and vote for that ineffectual, dithering, closet-brexiteer, allotment dwelling plum Corbyn. But grudgingly and only because it is the best thing to do to demonstrate an anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit vote in my constituency. Basically I will vote how Gina Miller says is best to stop, stall or soften the ridiculous bollocks that is Brexit.
Listening to the radio on the way home, they nearly joined up the dots when talking about Leave voting Labour constituencies. They talked about the convergence of Nationalist sentiment with Socialist sentiment in those areas. Nationalist-Socialist, eh? Bit of a mouthful, that. If only there was some neat and snappy abbreviation that could catch on.....
Nationalist-Socialist, eh? Bit of a mouthful, that. If only there was some neat and snappy abbreviation that could catch on…..
Congrats. You're the second person on here recently to compare the labour party to the nazis. And here I was thinking the other one was uniquely stupid.
They do love their authoritarianism though, those lefties.
And they don’t seem to like our Jewish friends very much
On a practical level they’ve thrown away our neighbouring constituency, Bury South (Manchester’s kosher moat), always a rock solid labour seat, because of their complete failure to engage with the antisemitism issue properly
Congrats. You’re the second person on here recently to compare the labour party to the nazis. And here I was thinking the other one was uniquely stupid.
Nope. I’m openly suggesting that a fair few ‘confused’ Labour voters who voted leave are basically erring towards National Socialism. What else would you call it when people basically want all the benefits of socialism but want to deny it to other people on the basis of nationality or dare I say it, race?
I can’t really compare the Labour Party to anything my dear. How can I when even they don’t know what they are?
In any case, I will probably vote Labour as it is my most effective way of registering an anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit vote, which is what you keep professing (usually after the mask has accidentally slipped a bit) to want. The trouble with you is that you won’t take ‘yes’ for an answer. Bit like our ERG friends.
<Rubs chin whilst wondering>
They do love their authoritarianism though, those lefties.
And they don’t seem to like our Jewish friends very much
Why tarnish a few specific people when you can tarnish whole swathes of the electorate?
They do love their authoritarianism though, those lefties.
And they don’t seem to like our Jewish friends very much
To be fair, though, the USSR wasn’t exactly pro-Jewish either and they liked their authoritarianism there too. There you go, a bit of balance.
In any case, I will probably vote Labour as that is the most effective counter to Tory-driven Brexit nonsense. The fact that I will do so holding my nose should make daz happy, if he isn’t a pro-Brexit shill*, that is.
*He is.
On a practical level they’ve thrown away our neighbouring constituency, Bury South (Manchester’s kosher moat), always a rock solid labour seat, because of their complete failure to engage with the antisemitism issue properly
Nowt to do with that particular MP having allegedly rock solid hands around women?
Did you gloss over that and move straight to anti-semitism?
They do love their authoritarianism though, those lefties.
And they don’t seem to like our Jewish friends very much
Why tarnish a few specific people when you can tarnish whole swathes of the electorate?
Not true, though. There is a creeping move towards authoritarianism on the left. You can witness it in action on this forum, where there are frequent calls by the more left leaning members for all sorts of things to be banned.
Labour's proposed policy of seizing private property doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in them.
JP
There is a creeping move towards authoritarianism on the left. You can witness it in action on this forum, where there are frequent calls by the more left leaning members for all sorts of things to be banned.
You must have many sound examples lined up?
I don’t even know why you’re referring to ‘the electorate’
The fact of the matter is that the Labour Party has been, at best, disinterested in the whole issue of antisemitism.
The reality of that is that it has thrown away what was a rock solid labour seat. You can look for excuses as to why, but it comes down to antisemitism in the Labour Party which isn’t seriously addressed
But apparently that’s all fine because there isn’t a problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party.
Carry on excusing that if you like
*sits back and awaits ‘but, but, but... the Tory’s are islamophobic reply*
To be fair, though, the USSR wasn’t exactly pro-Jewish either and they liked their authoritarianism there too. There you go, a bit of balance.
You find comparing aged totalitarian states broadly similar to a few lefties?
I don’t even know why you’re referring to ‘the electorate’
You said lefties. I presume a good chunk of the electorate are lefties?
The reality of that is that it has thrown away what was a rock solid labour seat
As opposed to that particular MP who quit after sexual allegations and then started getting angry at Corbyn over anti-semitism ?
Rock solid...
Like I said.... excuse that if you like...
Labour’s proposed policy of seizing private property doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence in them.
This is the thing that will do them in. Labour have some decent policies, a national bank/power/transport supplier etc. would be reasonable fodder for most people.
Then they trot out 'ban public schools' and the like and suddenly their swing voters (and they are going to need a lot of them) re just going to say thank you and good night, probably vote LD which just dilutes the anti-Tory vote and, voila, Tory back in power.
Then they trot out ‘ban public schools’ and the like and suddenly their swing voters (and they are going to need a lot of them) re just going to say thank you and good night, probably vote LD which just dilutes the anti-Tory vote and, voila, Tory back in power.
I say this with a leftie partner working at an Independent school...
They're not banning them but integrating them into the state system. Again it's the tabs they make these statements.
So yeah feel free to dig below the headline.
(Word is they won't necessarily push that particular policy through, particularly how you phrased it.)
rone
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There is a creeping move towards authoritarianism on the left. You can witness it in action on this forum, where there are frequent calls by the more left leaning members for all sorts of things to be banned.
You must have many sound examples lined up?
Wow - you really can't see it, can you?
I had an elderly relative (long dead now) who once argued until he was blue in the face that it wasn't high tide, despite the fact that he lived so close to the harbour that high tide was clearly visible at that moment just by looking out the window.
So, please, continue in your dreamworld of Corbyn as the great leader, Labour having no issues with antisemitism, and certain electoral victory for them being only a few weeks away. I'm sure that nothing I or anyone else on here say will lure you into the real world.
JP
Wow – you really can’t see it, can you?
There are all sorts of opinions and things I don't agree with on here but I don't see a 'leftie' based clique demanding its authority.
Again there must be powerful examples as referred to on here?
S
o, please, continue in your dreamworld of Corbyn as the great leader, Labour having no issues with antisemitism, and certain electoral victory for them being only a few weeks away. I’m sure that nothing I or anyone else on here say will lure you into the real world.
For sure, let's put words into each others mouths and we can certainly construct an argument then.
What’s it like, being you?
What’s it like, being you?
New tactic from you Binners? Going the 'complete hypocrite' route?
Makes a change from you building straw men and waffling on about 6th Formers.
Bin bins Christmas number one. Let's make this year the one boyz!
You're spot on about Bury South. Sadly.
Mates, lifelong Labour voters in Prestwich are quite clear that they can't vote for him.
I can see their point.
The way antisemitism has been handled is the reason I'm not a member anymore. (Again. I resigned after the Iraq debacle, before joining again 🙂).
Again, I'm not delighted by some of JC's fellow travellers, but all the centerists have done is sit back and throw shit from the sidelines, instead of actually campaigning and getting involved.
I do like the policies that have emerged though.
So again, I'll vote Labour. I doubt the Lib Dem's will get a look in round here, despite them doing very good things the last time they were in power.
Swinson strikes me as even less sincere than Nick Clegg and even more willing to sell her soul for a place at the trough.
You can witness it in action on this forum, where there are frequent calls by the more left leaning members for all sorts of things to be banned.
Wow – you really can’t see it, can you?
I don't believe that that really gets to the nub of rone's question. Who "on this very forum" is calling for what to be banned now?
What’s it like, being you?
No hair, bad back and indigestion.
So campaign review day 1:
Corbyn makes a speech which is heavily reported in the media for it’s anti-establishment theme and introduces a catchy slogan (Not For Sale!) which could become a major campaign rallying point. Then as if arranged in advance, Trump goes on the radio to slag him off.
Boris gets chased out of a hospital in Cambridge by angry staff and patients.
I’ll think that might be one nil to Corbyn.
I’ll think that might be one nil to Corbyn.
Depends if you think they started level on points.
They said on Brexit cast (the podcast, not the TV show) yesterday that the BP might only fight 20 seats. If so I'm not surprised, splitting the leave vote was never a good idea from a Brexiteer POV.
Something I can actually add insight to!
The underlying problems of pre-election polling have always been there. The most significant one is FPTP as a voting system – what this means is that every seat is a separate election, and what happens in Mytown doesn’t affect the result in Yourtown.
For polling, proportional representation is easy: if 35% of Brits vote Tory, Tories will get something related to 35% of seats. You then pick a sample of 2,000 people across the country to survey, controlling for things like age, gender, socio-economics, do some analysis, and have an answer: Tories will win 35% of seats.
FPTP is much more difficult, because to do it right, you have to survey 2,000 people in EACH SEAT, controlling for age, gender etc. Which is basically impossible. Lord Ashcroft has tried, but his sample sizes are too small, and his results no better than the rest.
In the past, polling firms could cover this up by applying various rules of thumb, like landowners vote Tory, young people are more labour-leaning, etc. Politics now has fragmented to such an extent that the Tories aren’t “for those with money”, and Labour isn’t “for those who want redistribution”, but instead candidate personality is a huge factor, and views on Brexit, large-scale renationalisation, racism, anti-Semitism etc all play a part. And you just can’t model that across 400 individual seats.The best polling companies can do is say “we were right, 35% of people voted Tory!!” – and you then point out “yeah, but that bears no relation to the fact that Lib Dems and Greens now have a majority in parliament, you cretins”.
Thanks, 100pc confirms my existing predudice which is always nice. 🙂
Yes and previously you could make assumptions about how voter tendency would translate to particular seats – however Brexit has totally blown that all up – not just changing party alignment between existing parties but also the introduction of a new one. Some strong Labour areas are pro-Brexit and some strong Tory areas aren’t.
This. It's all to play for.
You lot need to pace yourselves!
Then as if arranged in advance, Trump goes on the radio to slag him off.
The tories may not have enjoyed the trade deals comments but the papers have all covered it and the "Corbyn will be bad" part is being picked out. No details on what makes having a Corbyn government/Labour policies bad bad but to the voter who can't see past a headline (Majority of them?) it has just added to Labour's problems
Depends if you think they started level on points.
Doesn't matter. Campaigns are about momentum, energy and the messaging that comes from that. This one is only a day old, and already things are changing. The relentless negativity and cynicism around Corbyn and labour are gone and instead we're seeing that attached to Johnson and Farage. Christ, even Laura Kuensberg on the news last night appeared to give the impression of someone who doesn't hate him. It's early days obviously so no need to get carried away but it's a bloody good start. If they can keep this up then that poll deficit will change rapidly.
Ed Miliband on class war - it's already been going on for 9 years suddenly a big fuss now the lens is reversed
https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1190052382442500097?s=19