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Because their job is to report the news? Having listened to many podcasts with KL on them, it’s clear she’s no fan of the current Tory press machine, as many other journalists have expressed, they all realise they’re being fed stuff by both sides. Report it, and folk like you think she’s a stooge, don’t report it, and the Tory party it becomes the Liberal BBC Bias, and it becomes their story all day.
Can’t win.
I agree I don't think she's conciously biased but I do think she should be publicly naming the senior Tories who fed the lies
Well, if you agree to single market and customs union, you don't need a free trade agreement, so it could be done pretty quickly. I think that's what they're referring to with the 6 months.
At the risk of getting into this yet again, they’re not proposing we stay in THE customs union, it’s A customs union (whatever that means), and they’re not proposing staying in the single market, they’re talking about ‘close alignment’ with the single market (whatever that means).
So we will need to negotiate a trade agreement.
Anyway Molls, you didn’t get your vote in on time so you’re no longer entitled to an opinion 😛
I doubt Boris will be fighting the next election even if he wins a majority Thursday which is far from a certainty.
If indeed there are ever any more General Elections (Tory manifesto page 42).
Once Cummings has sorted everything the next election will be a Mugabe type affair where Boris gets 128% of the vote
I do think she should be publicly naming the senior Tories who fed the lies
They all should. They are being played. Trust in tv and radio journalism is being deliberately eroded by the likes of Cummings and Gove. ITN & BBC news will be further neutered by the government after this election, with the populace cheering them in.
They should be naming them because its newsworthy. "Senior Tory lied to journalists to deflect from NHS debacle" is a story in itself. Jesus Christ if Corbyn told a lie he'd be answering questions about it in every interview for the next ten years.
Apologies. My understanding was that the LDs, if they had got into power, would have cancelled A50, with no further reference to the electorate.
I believe that is still the case, should the LiDems form a majority government. We know however that isn't going to happen so they have a fall back in case they form part of a coalition or alliance which is to demand a second referendum.
If indeed there are ever any more General Elections (Tory manifesto page 42).
Fisheries, farming and coastal communities?
https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan
They would. On the basis that if they won a majority with a clear policy of revoke then that was in effect a mandate to revoke.
You may believe that's acceptable, I don't.
We’ve definitely crossed a line with this election, and it’s got Cummings fingerprints all over it. We’re into Bannon/Trump territory of just blatantly making shit up. The media in this country need to wise up and start reporting this new ‘reality’ for what it is and start calling out these lies and stunts
Watching the BBC debate - judging by the attitudes of some of the people I say **** 'em - what a right shit shower the lot of them!
Don't forget freedom of movement, Molgrips.
The resolution warns against any trade-off between security and the future EU-UK economic relationship, opposes any sort of cherry picking or a piecemeal economic relationship based on sector-specific deals, and reiterates the indivisibility of the four freedoms of the single market - free movement of goods, capital, services, and people.
What Labour wants is unacceptable. You can't stay in the single market without freedom of movement. Binners is right, negotiations on trade start when Britain leaves and not before.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20170329IPR69054/red-lines-on-brexit-negotiations
Edit: oh and we pulled the plug tonight. This election was my last hope that Brexit might never happen. The polls now tell me it will. The pound is at levels that reflect polls predict a large Tory majority and there's been some short covering before the election. We sold half our sterling assets before the referendum and today is the best post referendum rate I've had so all the rest went bar some petty cash. I've lost hope/faith and from here on in I'm just a detatched observer with nothing to lose.
Fisheries, farming and coastal communities?
Erm... Sorry, 42 is the answer to life, the universe and everything. I meant Page 48.
After Brexit we also need to look
at the broader aspects of our constitution: the relationship between the Government, Parliament and the courts; the functioning of the Royal Prerogative; the role of the House
of Lords; and access to justice for ordinary people. The ability of our security services to defend us against terrorism and organised crime is critical. We will update the Human Rights Act and administrative law to ensure that there is a proper balance between the rights of individuals, our vital national security and effective government. We will ensure that judicial review is available to protect the rights of the individuals against an overbearing state, while ensuring that it is not abused to conduct politics by another means or to create needless delays. In our first year we will set
up a Constitution, Democracy & Rights Commission that will examine these issues in depth, and come
up with proposals to restore trust
in our institutions and in how our democracy operates.
And then we'll wake up.
Angela Rayner is playing a blinder here, especially with Tory Boy.
She’s obviously being groomed for the succession. Should have done it 2 years ago
I see the Guardian have already rolled out Corbyns political obituary -
Tonight's debate reflects poorly on labour, tory, LD & Brexit - rayner, jenrick, swinson & farage shouting over each other, not allowing others to make a point.
Nothing unusual in that.
I cannot see any of the audience being impressed by what they're seeing & hearing.
Angela Rayner is playing a blinder here, especially with Tory Boy.
She’s obviously being groomed for the succession. Should have done it 2 years ago
I can't watch QT at the moment, but I've read she's being ripped apart on brexit.
Johnson's car crash interview & the Hancock fake news response today , will it make a difference?
I'll expect a full on monistering of corbyn tomorrow
Hardly surprising. The whole ‘honest broker’ red unicorns nonsense is a total farce. Jeremy still sat on his fence
It’s like the thing they do on Fighting Talk on a Saturday morning on five live where for 2 minutes they have to ‘defend the indefensible’
It’s interesting watching the man frog on QT. Because it’s a young audience, he can barely disguise his contempt for them. He’s not even trying. He knows his audience. Racist pensioners
Yeah, considering that she has stated that focusing on ethnic minorities and women’s agendas has had a ‘negative impact’ for white working-class boys - I'm not surprised she couldn't deflect the attack, she's a nativist MRA in left wing clothing. When Labout fail again in 2025 people will be viewing and talking about her as Labours version of Sarah Palin.
At the risk of getting into this yet again, they’re not proposing we stay in THE customs union, it’s A customs union (whatever that means), and they’re not proposing staying in the single market, they’re talking about ‘close alignment’ with the single market (whatever that means).
As much as I've teased Binners in the past, he's bang on the money here.
Also, that Chris Brookmyre tweet ^^ is a shocker.
Labour's deal will essentially be the same as May's deal, there's no other option unless labour accept FOM to enable closer allotment. Alignment.
That's the acheles heal in labour's position.
Lib dems, if they get a majority, they will have a mandate unilaterally revoke, not going to happen but perfectly reasonable.
They've also said they'll support the least worst option, so they'll support a second referendum with the option of a Labour unicorn vs revoke.
It's not rocket science.
That Graun article linked above is a gem of journalism.
Debbonaire looked round helplessly. Where was the headline act? Someone behind her shrugged. Haven’t a clue, mate. In desperation, Debbonaire ad-libbed some of the highlights of her own set that she had delivered just minutes earlier. “Who wants a Labour government?” “Is Boris a liar?” In an ideal world, the crowd would have responded by singing Bon Jovi’s, “Woah, We’re half way there / Woah, Thangham Debbonaire.” But, sadly, this was no Richard Curtis romcom.
Quite a brexity bunch of millennials on QT aren't they!
HTF did JS become leader of the LDs?
How the **** did any of them get to their positions! The only competent ones on QT seem to be Plaid Cymru and the SNP MP's!
They rise up the ranks by being friends with the right people internally, they're the same type of people that are good at rising up corporates despite being utterly useless.
QT audiences are always carefully selected to balance views.
"balance"??
Ray ban has it and whilst being a bit of a wimp in a confrontation and not to condone violence I really wanted plaid guy to swing in a big left to put froggy on his arse and rayner could have gone for a double elbow to Tory boy and froggy what a shower of shyte were all doomed captain
I agree rayban.
Improvise, adapt, overcome!
Delegation! Deflection! Denial!
Angela Rayner? Playing a blinder?
Ths Angela Rayner?
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1204166468226764807?s=19
I laughed at this bit Flashy -
At the last election this chant had come to sound almost devotional. A hymn. Now it’s just a barely conscious Pavlovian response. The last vestige of a failing leadership.
Cheers for the link above - confirms my suspicion that she's Labours version of Sarah Palin. Shits going to get even darker by 2025 as both parties stick to their trajectories and race to attract the lowest common denominators.
raybanwomble
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Quite a brexity bunch of millennials on QT aren’t they!
Yup!
Was going to possibly move to York! Yup, no thanks lol - I'd prefer to carry on dodging moped gangs.
Rayner:
"If we get a deal that protects the economy and jobs, then I would vote for it."
OK.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So her support for brexit both exists and doesn't exist at the same time then? Because no deal under the sun protects jobs.
And here some of you thought she was different because she was one of the people.
It's an alt-right/white-power thing, it marks him out as a total ****/a Nazi.
Oh yes QT seems to be well balanced, they made sure the white supremacist guy got a good spot
https://twitter.com/RuairiWood/status/1204171274232184834?s=20
Getting better isn't it?
2016 - Brexit
2019 - Neo-Fascist salutes on TV. Conservatives getting in bed with UKIP, Labour Jew baiting.
2021/22 - ?
It’s an alt-right/white-power thing, it marks him out as a total ****/a Nazi.
It's a well known game, the white power thing was nothing more than a troll and only morons fell for it. Even after being exposed as a troll, those that double down on it being a white power thing are even bigger morons.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/circle-game/
It’s a well known game, the white power thing was nothing more than a troll and only morons fell for it. Even after being exposed as a troll, those that double down on it being a white power thing are even bigger morons
Except that it started off as a troll and was then actually taken up by the alt-right.
Which makes you the moron here buddy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#White_power_symbol
So her support for brexit both exists and doesn’t exist at the same time then? Because no deal under the sun protects jobs.
That's kinda what I was alluding too.. There's no deal that protects the economy and jobs more than remaining.
Best we can hope for now, I think is a hung parliament and a Labour minority government forcing a referendum.
Except that it started off as a troll and was then actually taken up by the alt-right.
Who would then be bigger morons as described above.
Which makes you the moron here buddy.
No, that's you for giving credence to it. If the alt-right took up the peace sign and sticking your tongue out to the side as a hate symbol would that make teenage girls on social media nazis? Or would it make those suggesting they would be morons?
No, that’s you for giving credence to it. If the alt-right took up the peace sign and sticking your tongue out to the side as a hate symbol would that make teenage girls on social media nazis? Or would it make those suggesting they would be morons?
The man in question isn't a teenage girl on twitter is he? He's an adult male on a televised political debate during an election. If a small child dressed up as a Nazi and started giving fascist salutes to passers by, the context would still be important yes? Are you saying that it would therefore be acceptable for this man to do that as well on national tv during an election debate?
It's perfectly reasonable to assume what his intent was.
Sounds like you're still butt hurt for having to resign due to idiocy on your part.
You know the London Labour MP did that fun Love Actually pastiche video for Social Media?
And you know Hugh Grant has being working his arse off in this campaign to get people to vote tactically to stop Johnson?
And you known the Tory Social Media team is basically just trolls for hire?
Well, guess what Johnson’s new social media advert is?
You guessed right.
Don’t watch it unless you want to despair at where we are at.
Don’t share it because they want you to.
Any of you Rayner critics care to comment on Johnson's despicable attitude and behaviour at LGI?
Hancock then parachuted in, attempting to defend the indefensible - and, predictably, failing.
Jenrick didn't exactly play a blinder in tv shouting match, did he?
Sajid Javid sidelined; why? To avoid difficult questions about islamophobia and economic policies.
Cleverley wheeled out regularly to re-gurgitate 'get brexit done' and fail to answer any questions.
Gove? Odious alcoholic.
Rees-Mogg? Consigned to the sidelines - counting his serfs.
Tobias Elwood on radio is like dog shit - everywhere; attempting to talk everyone down but only showing himself to be ignorant and arrogant.
Iain drunken smith has been conspicuous by his absence - another problem drinker; clue is in the name; marginal seat - I have my fingers crossed.
John Redwood - another odious, self serving individual, also conspicuous by his absence; let's hope Philip Lee pisses on redwood's chips on thursday.
Johnson? Pass the sick bag, Alice. Another problem drinker. If tories win, he'll be gone within 12 months leaving a god almighty mess behind.
The man in question isn’t a teenage girl on twitter is he? He’s an adult male on a televised political debate during an election. If a small child dressed up as a Nazi and started giving fascist salutes to passers by, the context would still be important yes? Are you saying that it would therefore be acceptable for this man to do that as well on national tv during an election debate?
It’s perfectly reasonable to assume what his intent was.
Sounds like you’re still butt hurt for having to resign due to idiocy on your part.
Just as I thought...
The whole ‘honest broker’ red unicorns nonsense is a total farce. Jeremy still sat on his fence
I agree, he maybe should've stuck to his guns instead of listening to Starmer and Thornberry and certain ex-PM?
Probably academic now though. Rayner is a shoe-in to be the next leader, and she pronounced boldly tonight on QT that she'd vote for a brexit deal if (big if mind!) it protected the jobs of working class people. That's probably the line Corbyn should have used.
Any of you Rayner critics care to comment on Johnson’s despicable attitude and behaviour at LGI?
Hancock then parachuted in, attempting to defend the indefensible – and, predictably, failing.
Frank, Tories will be Tories. It's kind of expected, so of course Rayner is going to cop flak, it's news - Boris being a **** isn't news. The problem is - is that with Labour trying to race to the bottom alongside the Tories - many of us are left with having to suck it up and vote Labour through gritted teeth or vote Lib Dem.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Raybanwomble, the circle game has been doing the rounds for at least 20 years, it's still a staple on Facebook and such. The racist connotations simply don't exist and your examples are nothing like what happened. This is like something out of Brass Eye ffs.
Oh and nice personal dig at benv there, stay classy.
One of those examples Squirrelking, is the Christchurch shooter. He could be doing the old circle game, but I didn't think that had been a thing since the 90's.
ray - the whole thing about 'tories being tories' is a bit meaningless.
I don't see all tory MP's as bad but they do have a disproportionate number of trucking arses.
Equally, I don't see all labour MPs as being good, honourable, decent etc.
One of those examples Squirrelking, is the Christchurch shooter.
And I'm sure he'll be delighted he is getting what he wanted out of you and your like. Congratulations.
He could be doing the old circle game, but I didn’t think that had been a thing since the 90’s.
Just keep living in your own wee world then where your assumptions magically become truth.
Take your 4chan games somewhere else benv.
My games? I'm the one pointing out someone is falling for them ffs!
You don't mean to give offence, right?
Take what you want.
From your own link.
The description for the hand gesture in the database notes: “Caution must be used in evaluating instances of this symbol’s use.”
From a post above.
It’s perfectly reasonable to assume what his intent was.
No issues here, move along everyone...
> sigh <
What is your point?
That he is playing the circle game?
That he is trolling?
Others are suggesting that he is using it in the 2019 context, under cover of the above, and you are ruling out that possibility… and calling them morons… because…?
I don’t see all tory MP’s as bad but they do have a disproportionate number of trucking arses.
I didn't until they kicked out all the ones that weren't outright James Bond villains. 😀
There was a good article actually in the Guardian today about how we need to stop viewing all Tories as evil - again, you'll get your head bitten off round here for suggesting that.
What Mr Womble says. At every election since twitter has been going I have tried to find one MP from every party who does good work, and is an honourable in their actions, and used their tweets to show that those parties we disagree with still have people acting in what they believe are in the interests of all of us. There is no one I could pick from the Tory candidates this time.
Yup, would happily consider the thoughts of old school one nation Tories - because they are actually right sometimes, had some human decency and genuine belief.
Doesn't mean to say I'd agree with them though - but they were always worth listening to. Opposition plays a vital role in a functioning democracy, as long as it isn't corrupt or populist.
Whatever the ok gesture may or may not of started as, it's now both innocent and very sinister, depending on what you want it to be.
If someone does it to signal they are a racist #### and gets called out on it the defence is "lol! I'm just trolling you, can't believe you think the sign is far right! Lol! "
At the same time it signals to the people who know what your real intent is.
In the context of a debate on Brexit, which I think we all know has some serious racist undertones (not everyone obviously), with actual racists on the panel....
Rayner is a shoe-in to be the next leader
Well that's the end of the Labour party for another 5 years then. She is just another trained politician in the art of not actually answering any questions and not particularly likable.
May wasn't likable and faired a lot worse than Boris
What Labour need to learn, quickly, is that having a likable leader is the top priority. Once you have that then roll out the policies.
slowoldman
In our first year we will set
up a Constitution, Democracy & Rights Commission that will examine these issues in depth, and come
up with proposals to restore trust
in our institutions and in how our democracy operates.
In the event Johnson wouldn’t be bothered to pick up that heavy axe, assumedly there are others willing to step up?
This is the first time I've seen Corbyn directly call out media bias.
Yesterday was pretty weird all round - lots of bots in action claiming to be Nurses at 'Leeds Hospital', etc.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1204168230346067968?s=20
Too late? 🙁
Rayner is a shoe-in to be the next leader
She is indeed. Its obvious that the next leader will effectively be anointed by St Jeremy because thats what the sixth formers demand in this tragic ongoing 1980's remake. The Tories may well out-do the 18 years they were gifted by the labour party last time, before it hopefully see's some sense and limps back to the centre ground and tries to restore some credibility after this Corbynite debacle
At least Rayner showed she has the ability to think on her feet, unlike Jezza who stands there mute and motionless when presented with an open goal, and seems to actually be in possession of a personalty and a degree of political instinct.
But thats about it when it comes to positives.
Her line on Brexit is no doubt the same as Jezza's but at least she's being straight about it. Its surely glaringly obvious to anyone sentient that Jezza (in the laughably unlikely event of getting a majority) would go to Brussels, come back with Mays deal (for thats all thats on offer) and return to campaign enthusiastically for everyone to vote for it in a second referendum, against the wishes of the majority of his MP's, membership and voters
If anyones buying this 'honest broker' bullshit then you need your bumps feeling. He's a brexiteer and he wants us out. Looks like Rayner is too.
You know that thing the Tories do, where they repeat something often enough that it becomes accepted as true?
I don't know, perhaps we'll find out after they get Brexit done.
Adam Boulton just made an apology on Sky All Out Politics. (paraphrasing)
I am making a personal apology for last week describing the PM as looking tired and emotional and saying he's not drinking. I thought this was all forgotten about but CCHQ are not happy nad they are refusing to put somebody up in the debate tomorrow because of it. I hope they will accept my apology and turn up at the debate tomorrow.
WTAF!
Happened about 9.25ish
Dear God!
looks like Cummings chucking threats around is working a treat on the media. They're using any old excuse to stop him facing any scrutiny. Quote from yesterdays FT
“It’s clear what the strategy is,” says one person close to Mr Johnson’s highly disciplined campaign. “Keep him out of tough debates, keep him away from the public, stick to the message, make him look prime ministerial.”
make him look prime ministerial.
Hah!
Pretty sure Winston Churchill never stole anyone's mobile phone