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Sorry for the delay in answering your q's. I'm an old girl although not old enough to vote in the original referendum and am disappointed that we still have the same two parties arguing. I do remember the 3 day week, the miners strike, power cuts etc. and sincerely hope that we won't return to that at any time in the future. We've not moved forward as a United Kingdom although there has been attempts at new parties being formed. Bottom line is that we need a new system whether that be proportional representation or something else.
Cameron should never have been allowed to offer a vote to the public on a simple "yes" or "no". I don't know whether any Tories objected to this but it was utter stupidity and shouldn't have been allowed to happen.
Moving on to the EU itself, I want to see a pared back EU with trustworthy info given on costings for each part. Yes, it's definitely good for simplifying trading and don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is that at some point in the future we could end up with a United States of Europe. I believe we should be making our own decisions instead of kowtowing to Brussels and that includes butting out of some issues.
I'm not "thick enough" to believe figures written on a bus nor believe Tory rhetoric but the bottom line is that some of the money we're contributing to the EU is desperately needed in the UK. One issue I feel very strongly about is knife crime in London and this needs to be a priority. It's horrific the numbers that are losing their lives each year and there is much work needing done to offer these youngsters a future, a future that includes employment and a belief that they can contribute to society and indeed be a valued member. A start would be to restore funding for youth workers and youth centres, these should not have been axed due to austerity.
Really, I believe that many are thoroughly disenchanted with politics and all the lies being spouted by politicians resulting in unconsidered voting, if they can be bothered in the first place that is.
One issue I feel very strongly about is knife crime in London and this needs to be a priority. It’s horrific the numbers that are losing their lives each year
Have you seen the good work being done in Glasgow - still in the EU and the UK?
but the bottom line is that some of the money we’re contributing to the EU is desperately needed in the UK. One issue I feel very strongly about is knife crime in London and this needs to be a priority.
pretty much every single economic analysis, including the governments own! shows that leaving the EU leaves us less well off, by considerably more than EU membership costs (<1% of GDP)
Thanks for posting CG in the face of such scathing comments earlier. I'll try to be as nice as possible, but I would like to discuss.
I'm posting my response on the existing EU ref thread so as not to de-rail.
https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out/page/1905/#post-10945344
You can only vote Labour by choosing to forget that the current leader
choseis a millionaire anti-European pro-Soviet Communistas an advisor.
This is the problem for Jezza. They're not just advisers ,they're fellow travellers. He shares their politics and their world view.
One issue I feel very strongly about is knife crime in London and this needs to be a priority.
That's not gonna change, Brexit or not, if Tories keep power. They don't care, and even when they do they have no idea how to fix it. They think simply locking everyone up who acts a bit shady is going to solve the problem.
What I do have a problem with is that at some point in the future we could end up with a United States of Europe.
So how about leaving THEN if we don't like it? Or simply vote against it, or use our veto. It seems at the moment, like the "EU army", there is very little support for the idea amongst member states anyway.
pretty much every single economic analysis, including the governments own! shows that leaving the EU leaves us less well off, by considerably more than EU membership costs.
Current GDP is about £2 trillion. Net cost of EU about £10 billion (about 0.5% of GDP). My tax return from last year shows it cost me, personally, £64. Estimated loss of GDP post Brexit is 3-4%, depending on whether you use independent (lower figure) or government's own estimate from 2018 (higher figure) in perpetuity. That's a loss of £60-80 billion per annum.
Deduct saving through not paying EU membership = £50-70 billion per annum. So where does that extra money to combat knife crime, support the NHS, etc. come from?
So where does that extra money to combat knife crime, support the NHS, etc. come from?
Taxes. The same place all government money comes from.
@slowoldman, I'll be doing my bit with the tactical voting here in Cheadle as well. Hoping the Labour candidate rocks up so I can ask him why he doesn't withdraw to help kick Mrs Robinson out...
Taxes. The same place all government money comes from.
Exactly, so not from saving the EU membership fee.
One issue I feel very strongly about is knife crime in London and this needs to be a priority.
If it were middle-class white kids in leafy suburbs getting knifed then they'd plough resources into it and stop it tomorrow. But it's not, so they won't.
Thats not EU priorities, those are Westminster priorities. They literally couldn't care less about black kids getting knifed on sink estates. Just like they collectively shrugged after Grenfell. They don't give a toss.
Whats mental is that its the EU has taken the money given to it by the UK and effectively redistributed it to the poorer areas of Britain that Westminster doesn't even acknowledge exist, let alone fund. Built stuff for the people who don't matter to our own MP's.
Which is why it absolutely baffles me that deprived areas, covered in infrastructure bearing plaques 'funded by the EU' voted to leave. Do these people actually believe that the money no longer given to the EU is going to miraculously find its way to them instead? Not a cat in hells chance! It'll find its way into the offshore bank accounts of their rich mates, one way or another
There was no way a man with that much of a mountain of toxic baggage should be anywhere near the leadership of the party. He’s an absolute liability!
Momentum needed a puppet, and he was the easiest target for them to stick their hand up inside.
The same place all government money comes from.
Not always. Governments can make money from state-owned businesses. That's why Norway is so rich - they kept their oil business and invested the profits, instead of flogging it off. So now the country is rich instead of some private individuals. Tell me again why nationalised industry is such a bad idea?
Really, I believe that many are thoroughly disenchanted with politics and all the lies being spouted by politicians resulting in unconsidered voting
It would appear that you are one of the unconsidered voters. The things you want to be better have absolutely nothing to do with being in the EU and all about the UK government.
Even if we were financially better off out of the EU the money won't be spent on knife crime, giving people better futures etc,. That could be done right now if a government wanted to do it.
Tell me again why nationalised industry is such a bad idea?
Because not not every country has huge oil reserves?
It's the same reason Scottish Water does well; they have a ridiculous amount of product that falls from the sky every day
I want to see a pared back EU with trustworthy info given on costings for each part , What I do have a problem with is that at some point in the future we could end up with a United States of Europe. I believe we should be making our own decisions instead of kowtowing to Brussels and that includes butting out of some issues. One issue I feel very strongly about is knife crime in London and this needs to be a priority. A start would be to restore funding for youth workers and youth centres, these should not have been axed due to austerity.
Thanks for explaining your reasons for voting brexit, Very good, i can now see you have entirely valid reasons for leaving that you can hold up to the highest scrutiny..........if you are homer simpson that is, otherwise your explanation is nothing but blah....blah...word salad....some more unsubstantiated guff, etc...etc..... Not one of your issues can be laid at the door of the EU, well done for outing yourself as easily led/persuadable/gullible though.
I am a Brexit Remainer living in an overwhelmingly Remain constituency. Hilariously we just had the local Conservative candidate flyer through the door. The first line states 'this election is not about Brexit'. Guess he knows what a hard sell his party's commitments are around here. Hasn't he read Boris's memos?!!
I think koldun's response to cinnamon_girl (on the other thread) is a better one than that of somafunk.
As Molgrips has quite rightly moved this discussion to the other thread, I've replied likewise.
https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out/page/1905/
It’s the same reason Scottish Water does well; they have a ridiculous amount of product that falls from the sky every day
bobbins
before it was nationalised it was less efficient than England's system, now it cleaner, cheaper & less leakier than rest of UKs!
Even if we were financially better off out of the EU the money won’t be spent on knife crime, giving people better futures etc,. That could be done right now if a government wanted to do it.
Remind me again, how many billions has brexit cost us already, with the square root of jeff all to show for it? Must be a few hospitals and coppers worth. And we've not left yet...
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All that matters from the Lib Dems perspective is that enough people vote tactically in winnable seats in the South East to take seats off the Tory’s.
They're running hard in my seat, 100% positioned against the SNP - literally got a flyer through the door today with a dodgy graph (of course) based on the EU elections suggesting that "last time" they were second and the tories were 4th, so you can safely vote lib dem instead of SNP.
Actually, "last time" the SNP were first, the tories only 2000 votes behind, and the lib dems got 4%.
This as I mentioned is Joanna Cherry's seat- so they're running against one of the most important remainers, who is part of the biggest remain party, with a campaign that will see them be 4th, just conceivably 3rd, but might be enough to flip the seat to the Tories.
This is a seat that tactical voting could make bombproof safe, but they've chosen instead to do this mental bullshit. Like I say, it's nice to think that it's remain first and foremost for them but it's clearly not.
before it was nationalised it was less efficient than England’s system, now it cleaner, cheaper & less leakier than rest of UKs!
Although, amusingly, it's not good enough to supply the Scottish Public sector:
In 2015, the Scottish Government chose Anglian Water to provide water management services to the public sector in Scotland in a £350m contract.
Because not not every country has huge oil reserves?
Nooo.. obviously.. but the wider point is that a government can manage industrial resources for the benefit of its citizens... So if a business is profitable it can actually help the country no?
but the wider point is that a government can manage industrial resources for the benefit of its citizens…
Not quite true.
A responsible, competent govt can do that. The shower of crap we get (and are likely to get again) in this country I wouldn't trust to run a bath.
And that includes Tory, Labout, SNP and all the 'alternatives'. All are twunts of the same kidney
Bottom line is that we need a new system whether that be proportional representation or something else.
@c-g there was a referendum for that. It was defeated. The govt you get is therefore the govt you deserve.
Or something.
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Momentum needed a puppet, and he was the easiest target for them to stick their hand up inside.
Yes, such is the power of Momentum, that despite being formed after Corbyn became leader of the labour party, they reached back in time and made it happen. Momentum are a reaction to Corbyn, not the cause.
There's just something about Momentum that seems to suspend disbelief. This is barely the most ridiculous thing I've heard about them despite being demonstrably false. As if 40000 lefties could take over a political party of 400000 people- getting 2 lefties to get their shit together is hard enough, getting 20 out to protest outside a Barclays is miraculous. But they're treated like this unstoppable force. I guess some people want a bogeyman? It's like those right wingers who still think their £3 vote made a difference, when actually it just subsidised the Labour party.
does anyone know if it's possible to get a tactical vote flyer for your window?
I want to put one up to show i'm tactic voting, to encourage others. Not seen any anywhere. i see labour and lib-dem flyers in people windows, and think another flier next to it saying "i'm Voting tactically" would help the cause.
(the cause being to stop Boris) ;D
Not quite true.
A responsible, competent govt can do that. The shower of crap we get (and are likely to get again) in this country I wouldn’t trust to run a bath.
Yeah, when you hear all the vitriol aimed at our governments it's a bit of a stretch to claim in the next breath they'd be just great at running an extra load of businesses. Especially since their like tried for decades and utterly ****ed it up.
As if 40000 lefties could take over a political party of 400000 people
They have. They have a majority on the NEC and changed the rules to reduce the number of nominations required from the PLP for new leaders. That's it. Game over. They've taken over.
Not quite true.
A responsible, competent govt can do that.
Yeah that's my point. A government CAN run a business well and for the benefit of the people. It IS possible, despite what Tories would have you believe banging on about 3 days weeks etc.
Yeah, when you hear all the vitriol aimed at our governments it’s a bit of a stretch to claim in the next breath they’d be just great at running an extra load of businesses.
Indeed, that's why I didn't say that. I said A GOVERNMENT COULD, not that any of the prospective candidates necessarily will. Why does no-one read properly on this thread?
It's a good thing to aim for, in my opinion, that's why I'm voting for a party that wants to try. If we don't keep trying, we'll never succeed. After all, private industry gets to keep on trying, failing, and trousering all the cash doesn't it?
Especially since their like tried for decades and utterly ****ed it up.
Also, that was FORTY YEARS ago. It's not the same people. And the proposals aren't the same.
Not only that, but neoliberalism is actually failing now too so why not direct some vitriol at that too?
See what I mean?
I see the Staggers leader is fully supportive of the glorio...
HOLD ON A MINUTE! To the gulag with them, perfidious right wing MSM scum!
but neoliberalism is actually failing now too so why not direct some vitriol at that too?
I have 🙂
It's a complete clustercuss from one end to another; side to side
I see the Staggers leader is fully supportive of the glorio…
They seem to be voicing the concerns of a huge chunk of the country, by recommending no one, and hoping Boris doesn’t get a majority.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/election-2019/2019/12/leader-britain-deserves-better
Vote for whoever can stop your seat returning a Conservative Brexit Party MP… whether that be an ex-Conservative independent even if you’re anti-Tory, a Labour Candidate even if you don’t trust Corbyn (he won’t get a majority anyway), a LibDem candidate even if Swinson makes you want to bunk off school, a Green candidate even if you consider them lefties, an SNP candidate even if you want Scotland to stay in the union… vote to stop your seat from helping Johnson get a majority. That’s all you can do, and all that matter this election.
I have 🙂
It’s a complete clustercuss from one end to another; side to side
Not sure I agree. Neo-liberalism is going great. The EU and the USA are thriving. The bits of China that are economically succesful are the places that are permitted liberal economics.
Even Bennites (Corbyn/MacDonnel/Abbot) accept that we should stay in the EU now. Neo-liberalism has totally won the argument.
What?! You mean there's going to be No Independent Socialist Republic of Grand Brittania after all?
I've bought a comradely hat and grown a little beard and everyfink
am just wondering how to vote atm as unfortunately when i go on the tactical voting sites it says that where i live (devizes) is a safe tory seat 😟.
am thinking labour is the only option for me to vote as lib dems wouldn't have enough chance where i am.
apologies for not reading this thread before (it is er quite large now at 110 plus pages) but i definitely do not want to vote tory (or ever have) especially with all the **** that is happening now.
i will keep on looking at the tactical voting sites up till voting day to see if any change.
thanks 👍
Who came second in 2017, who came second in 2015 ? If they were second comfortably then go with that. In my case that is Labour in a safe Tory seat. They haven't got a chance in hell (Tory 66%, Labour 20%) and I am tempted to vote Green which is who I support so at least they get another vote in the big scheme of things.
Just checked Devizes and very similar to my position.
Although, amusingly, it’s not good enough to supply the Scottish Public sector:
Who do you think is collecting, cleaning and distributing the water?
thanks Kerley will do that 👍
What?! You mean there’s going to be No Independent Socialist Republic of Grand Brittania after all?
I’ve bought a comradely hat and grown a little beard and everyfink
What in the name of Jesus H Corbett are you blathering about now?
does anyone know if it’s possible to get a tactical vote flyer for your window?
I want to put one up to show i’m tactic voting, to encourage others.
If you put it in your window, it's going to be seen by people in your area, who have the same voting choice as you. So say WHO you're tactically voting for - for tactical voting to work, all the tactical voters need to have the same view about which party has the best chance of defeating your disliked party.
PS - don't do that if you're voting tactically because you want the Tories to win a majority.
fUlLy cOStEd...
https://twitter.com/rcolvile/status/1202183745169690624?s=19
Also, when TF is Johnson going to go before Andrew Neil? I mean, it couldn't be as bad as Corbyn, shirley? So, what's he got to lose?
The trolls running the Conservative online campaign have final withdrawn the rule breaking ads using (and misrepresenting) BBC footage. Considering the people working with them, I’m not convinced their aims aren’t as much about further eroding trust in the BBC as they are about winning votes. I’m seeing the Neil thing in the same light… avoid a difficult interview and damage the standing of the BBC in one highly dodgy move. Shows the BBC who’s boss. Classic Trump/Putin play.
Not sure I agree. Neo-liberalism is going great
It's going great for a select few which gets smaller and smaller over time.
That's the nature of it.
We wouldn't be entertaining the possibility of a socialist government if it was going great.
Neo-liberalism is going great. The EU and the USA are thriving.
You what?
If you look at GDP then sure. If you look at how the economy benefits the majority of people living in it, then it's a total failure. The rich are getting richer and the poor relatively are getting poorer. Is this your idea of 'going great' ?
The only reason you could think that is if you think the poor deserve what they get. Which is flat out wrong, and insulting to millions of hard working yet poor people.
We wouldn’t be entertaining the possibility of a socialist government if it was going great.
I’m afraid most people aren’t Rone. Well, not to the degree being offered at this election. I’m all for it… the British Public are not. “Not the Tories but not advised by far left communist millionaires” is what’s required to get the consent of the public for more left wing policies this decade. Improve and reform, not revolution. Might be boring, but might also win public support.
We wouldn’t be entertaining the possibility of a socialist government if it was going great.
One tiny country in the entire world. The EU's not, the USA is not, even China abandons state ownership in the places it designates as places that are going to economically flourish.
The strong trend is away from socialism, not towards it.
One tiny country in the entire world. The EU’s not, the USA is not, even China abandons state ownership in the places it designates as places that are going to economically flourish.
The strong trend is away from socialism, not towards it.
You are the most astonishing mental gymnast.
Many countries in the EU is already democratic-socialist. China is moving in from hardline communism towards a middle ground. Seems reasonable that we could also move in towards the middle from the right.
Politics is a spectrum. So, too far left is bad (China), too far right is also bad (US, UK), but good is between those two (democratic socialism). So yes to private enterprise, but with state oversight so the rich and powerful don't take the piss (USA and potentially the future UK).
Very much what molgrips says, certainly re. EU countries.
re. EU countries.
EU is solidly Neo Liberal - it's a neo-liberal club for rich nations. They're making it compulsory to allow private train firms on networks. The whole thing exists to deregulate trade. Why do you think lefties hate it so much? Greece. Not one EU member has an NHS. Christ the TTIP had all my socialist friends going mad on FB. The markets love it. The EU bans state owned monopolies & prevents many subsidies.
Brexiteers aren't arguing for leaving because it's too socialist. Quite the opposite, if Labour win this election and go down the Brexit route it's going to make their policies (manifesto and otherwise) far easier to carry out.
The one good thing that's come out of Brexit is literally everyone now agrees that the liberal economics of the EU is good for the economy - Brexiteers accept the case for leaving isn't economic and remainers all accept the case for remaining *is* economic.
I'd be genuinely interested in any credible source claiming the EU is remotely left wing, can you find one? [1] It's a free marketeers dream and it's "helped" some very left wing governments see the light and adopt some pretty fiscally tight policies.
[1] Here's one the other way by way of a trade: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2017/07/lexit-eu-neoliberal-project-so-lets-do-something-different-when-we-leave-it
You know what happened to TTIP? Yes?
I’d be genuinely interested in any credible source claiming the EU is remotely left wing
Economically? Probably not. But at the same time, people are complaining about all the additional rules and regulations - so that makes it 'large government' doesn't it, which would make it a bit more left wing. All that environmental legislation (one of the things I'm keen on) is not neoliberal.
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union?
Social Chapter?
Are they neoliberal?
Tory governments opt out of such EU measures because they are not neoliberal? No?
You know what happened to TTIP? Yes?
Not in any detail. AFAIC they couldn't get agreement from all the member states so it went 'No deal'.
TTIP wasn't really that popular with socialists:
Another example of the neoliberal essence of the project is given by the secretive negotiations for the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), a free trade deal the EU is brokering with the US. TTIP will further prise open sectors such as education and health to the multinationals, and equalise environmental protection and workers’ rights at the lowest level across the two regions.
http://socialistreview.org.uk/404/eu-referendum-should-we-stay-or-should-we-go
(Worth reading the whole article.)
Oh yeah, the Labour party campaigned against entry in the 70's and campaigned to leave in '83. Hard to see why the Labour party in its clause four days would have wanted to avoid membership if they thought it was a decent socialist enterprise!
Anyway I've googled and I can't find anything that suggests the EU is anything other than Neo-Liberal, and not remotely socialist. It's all about private ownership, fiscal rectitude, liberalizing trade and providing a cheap workforce to the wealthier nations. Remainers will tell you these are all good things, but they aren't socialism, they are the diametric opposite.
Unless someone provides a link that credibly argues the EU is opposed to Liberal economics I'm not going reply on the subject of "is the EU neo-liberal" again. [1] I feel I'm wasting my time having to make the case that an organization that exists to liberalize markets isn't a bastion of liberal economics. 😀
[1] Ovbs I'll be posting on the thread, I'm addicted
Unless someone provides a link that credibly argues the EU is opposed to Liberal economics I’m not going reply on this topic again. I feel I’m wasting my time having to make the case that an organization that exists to liberalize markets isn’t a bastion of liberal economics.
LOLZ and Bojo wont have another drink til Brexit is done.
(Bet you do post)
Unless someone provides a link that credibly argues the EU is opposed to Liberal economics I’m not going reply on this topic again.
No one is ‘opposed to Liberal economics’.
TTIP didn’t happen because the USA neoliberal measures in it were rejected by EU countries.
Read up on Social Chapter and the EU regulations and standards that the neoliberals have fought against all the way.
Got a flyer from the Tories that is pretending to be a womans weekly magazine. Completely immoral imo.
Only the return address tells me its from the Tories. (& all the bullshit content obvz)
Unless someone provides a link that credibly argues the EU is opposed to Liberal economics I’m not going reply on this topic again. I feel I’m wasting my time having to make the case that an organization that exists to liberalize markets isn’t a bastion of liberal economics.
(Bet you do post)
That's awkward. When I said topic I didn't mean thread. Post edited for clarity. 🙂
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As we head for polling day, remember what’s at stake.
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Thanks okay though. All the 'muricans get together and rent a coach, drive across the border to Canada, buy their insulin and the coach drives them back.
All we need is boats.
EU is solidly Neo Liberal
OK then.
Thanks okay though. All the ‘muricans get together and rent a coach, drive across the border to Canada, buy their insulin and the coach drives them back.
All we need is boats.
Hmm...
America is slightly bigger than the UK, a couple of busses isn't going to cut it, you need large shipments of the stuff on a regular basis.
Enjoyed Maitlis scratching the inside of her nostril on Newsnight just now :-0
Johnson on Preston.
Lots of good questions.
No answers.
Normal repeating of catch phrases over and over again.
And again.
And…
…again.
There’s just something about Momentum that seems to suspend disbelief.
This definitely. Momentum are nothing more than a fringe group designed to push the boundaries on policy. They're mostly young idealist types who want to see the labour party adopt modern radical policies, rather than revert to Bennite 70s dogma. The fact that they're deemonised as lefty trots by the media tells us all we really need to know.
This definitely. Momentum are nothing more than a fringe group designed to push the boundaries on policy.
If you spend any time listening to Laura Parker you can't help but notice she's eloquent, well-researched, reasonable in her logic and above-all extremely mannered. She's a fantastic interviewee and I would urge anyone who's half interested in progressive politics to check out her recent stuff on Novara.
John Lansman is slightly more colourful but is still an interesting talker. Both very pro-EU.
Momentum have been demonised beyond all levels of logic. The right have them down as some sort of extinction rebellion super terrorists and I think the reality is a little more Waitrose than that.
America is slightly bigger than the UK, a couple of busses isn’t going to cut it
For them, or us? We'll need boats unless Wales or Scotland bails on us and joins the EU.
you need large shipments of the stuff on a regular basis
They have that. Most people can't afford it though, hence the buses over the border.
Anyway I’ve googled and I can’t find anything that suggests the EU is anything other than Neo-Liberal, and not remotely socialist.
Completely correct. It's also the trajectory of it. It's not what it was.
It is worth remembering that neoliberalism is a type of capitalism - so there are elements of the EU that are certainly all about markets an non-interference from the state.
It's interesting how we all can't agree what the EU is and what it isn't, but that's because we project on to it what we believe it is a force for.
I mean how do we interpret the recent block by some EU countries to reveal their tax affairs? That's hardly moving in the direction of socialism is it?
It's also fair to say that most working-class Brexit Party members wouldn't use this as an argument either.
If the EU is neo liberal, they are the most incompetent neo liberals on the face of the Earth. Workers protections, environmental legislation, policies which promote family life, subsidised sectors of the economy are all hardly neo liberal policies. Which is basically what the EU spends half it's time doing. The fact that there a bunch of hard right/dictatorship governments in the EU are hardly liberal
. Not one EU member has an NHS.
But they basically all have universal healthcare, where the ability to pay is not an impediment to getting whatever care you need. Pretty socialist.
If the EU is neo liberal, they are the most incompetent neo liberals on the face of the Earth. Workers protections, environmental legislation, policies which promote family life, subsidised sectors of the economy are all hardly neo liberal policies. Which is basically what the EU spends half it’s time doing.
Well that because it's not wholly Neolib. And like I said the trajectory has changed. If the EU does anything that appears to support a workforce than I would say that is to generally grease the wheels of trade.
Workers rights could be upheld by strong unions. The EU is doing nothing new other than making things consistent.
Given the last 10 years or so of Tory rule - things have been bleak for the average punter. The positives of the EU are certainly not that evident under Tory rule.
However it would probably be worse if the Tories were allowed to be completely untethered.
What have the Romans EU ever done for us?
bravo
Capping class sizes at 30 pupils.
And still the media welcome that commitment as “unachievable” (including the BBC). The same media that was up in arms about removing charitable status from fee paying schools.
We’re mugs.