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It has to be said, Andrew Neil is an utter cretin though, fully expect the same obnoxious nonsense against swinson and johnson.
I'd agree with that, he's a complete prick.
Why can't interviewers be more impartial?
Interviewing isn't rocket science, stay neutral and if the interviewee goes bonkers it's a plus.
Seo77 up there....
Andrew Neil is a cretin?
F me man, lay off the kool-aid.
He prepares thoroughly, is factually rigorous and pushes every interviewee/subject for honest answers.
What was obnoxious about his questioning of either Corbyn or Sturgeon? Was it only his questioning go Corbyn?
Give us some demonstrable, measurable facts to support your one line assertion.
Politicos have, for years, used bluster and blather in an attempt to defuse hostile questioning; Neil does not put up with that bollocks.
Party leaders know that when they sign up to agreeing to engage with Neil.
How would you prefer him to interview/interrogate?
Short interview. Ask the difficult questions. Don’t buy the bullshit obfuscation techniques they’ve been drilled in by their controllers. Push hard. Exactly what is needed.
Yes, Neil is right wing, and his day to day commentary is terribly biased, but he handles these kind of interviews well.
And ‘stay neutral’ is exactly why the BBC is under heavy criticism elsewhere… don’t just sit back and let politicians lie and deliver their rehearsed lines… push them to answer the questions they don’t want to answer.
Looking like Johnson might not even show up for a Neil interview. Probably worried he’ll give him too much of a soft ride… [or not]
The tories posted a fake news paper through my door today.
Craig whittaker is a weapons grade shit bag...
What you can't see in the pic is the small print which took me a while to read as it's so blurry...
Promoted by alton mabutt on behalf of the Conservative and unionist party. SW1, London.
FFS how naive is JC and his advisers? He must have known in advance he'd get some questions around anti-semitism and the best he can do is just try the usual denunciation that even a complete moron can see isn't working.
Sure people that bother to look beyond the newspaper headlines will realise it's a non story and apologising on behalf of some idiots in his party shouldn't have much value but in the times we live he should have known that by just repeating the denunciation of antisemitism but not offering up any form of apology would be the only thing the media picked up on.
I bet Cummings and Johnson were in stitches watching that shit show play out
It has to be said, Andrew Neil is an utter cretin though
Can't disagree more. I think we need journalists like him.
If others had given politicians as thorough questioning as him the country would be in a much better place.
He must have known in advance he’d get some questions around anti-semitism and the best he can do is just try the usual denunciation that even a complete moron can see isn’t working.
At least he didn't do the waffle about "bad people on all sides" (sound familiar?) Before going to "I think we'll have to do this another time" and then hanging up routine like he did when he refused to condemn the actions of the IRA.
A complete canard CFH as you should know - he did condemn the IRA. As he condemned the paramilitaries on all sides.
Bad people on all sides? Very Trumpian...
Hanging up to avoid answering a difficult, direct question? What a guy!
On the IRA - he gave a clear condemnation of all the men of violence. twisted by the tory press to be " refused to condemn the IRA"
I think it's fair to say that Labour (but mostly Corbyn) had a bad day yesterday, the Andrew Neil interview was just the end of it.
It’s an odd world when Corbyn not Johnson is getting called Trumpian.
It’s an odd world when Corbyn not Johnson is getting called Trumpian.
Not really the parallels between Trump and Corbyn are massive:
Keynesian stimulus at the wrong point in the cycle: Tick.
Presenting as the establishment outsider: Tick.
Populist looking to make radical changes: Tick.
Instinctively hostile to the UK's allies: Tick.
Brexiteers: Tick.
Hostility to NATO: Tick.
Andrew Neil's a great interviewer IMHO facts always at his fingertips. I think the request for an anti-semitism apology question was unfair (how can you apologise for something without accepting the premise!) but apart from that spot on. He doesn't ask any more unfair questions that other interviewers IMHO. It's clear the other candidates are running scared of him which suggests that they don't think he's biased, and nor do I.
Very obliging of Jezza to take the heat off Prince Andrew for supplying the biggest car crash interview of the last few weeks.
As on so many occasions over the last 4 years you can’t help but wonder how it would have panned our with someone even vaguely competent, as opposed to some dithering eternal sixth former carrying more baggage than the hold of a 747
I'm really liking the Lib dems this time: Revoke. 1p tax rise on all of us, not just people who can easily avoid it. Review of IR35. End of the Loan Charge.
1p tax rise on all of us, not just people who can easily avoid it. Review of IR35. End of the Loan Charge.
Wouldn't a fairer policy be for the better paid to pay proportionately more income tax and the lower paid proportionally less?
I'm a Corbyn supporter, and I don't like Andrew Neil, but I have to admit that Corbyn did badly and Neil didn't do anything out of order. If a proposal isn't costed, that needs to be called out. The test of Neil will be if he does the same or worse to Johnson, as I don't think their proposals are any better and I suspect worse.
Not really the parallels between Trump and Corbyn are massive:
Keynesian stimulus at the wrong point in the cycle: Tick.
Presenting as the establishment outsider: Tick.
Populist looking to make radical changes: Tick.
Instinctively hostile to the UK’s allies: Tick.
Brexiteers: Tick.
Hostility to NATO: Tick.
Do me a favour. You've cherry picked concepts to fit your argument. Trump is nothing like Corbyn, not in the slightest, and you know this because it's staring you in the face.
It's indicative of the establishment that Andrew Neil is more interested in the past activity of some Labour members being more important than the crisis of living standards, treatment of the poor and the standard of our NHS today.
It's also laughable that Neil used the £250 for marriage tax allowance as attack on tax and income.
The benefit of improved NHS, free broadband, cheaper water rates and other utilities will wipe that out and more.
Also Neil doesn't understand how the countries' finances work. Government debt is not the same as household debt. He could just go and read the BoE's website?
Journalists just don't do nuance. You'd have to be an idiot to think Neil is anything more than a child wielding headlines about clumsily like some Paxman spin-off.
I thought this was a well researched car crash interview?
It was on of the most hamfisted interviews I've seen designed to extract 30 seconds of sound bites for the MSM and give James O'Brien a massive intellectual hard-on.
It’s indicative of the establishment that Andrew Neil is more interested in the past activity of some Labour members
The man wants to be PM. How he handles an issue such as this in a party he leads is pertinent to voters who need to trust him to handle issues once he is our PM.
It’s also laughable that Neil used the £250 for marriage tax allowance as attack on tax and income.
The benefit of improved NHS, free broadband, cheaper water rates and other utilities will wipe that out and more.
Completely agree that the increase in tax will be far outweighed by the benefits. But untruths and deceit in a campaign should still be pointed out… even if you agree with the policy base. Claiming that no one paid under £80K will pay more tax, when that is not true, should be challenged.
Oob that's a bit silly, unless you think Corbyn based his campaign on building a wall along the south coast, locking up Johnson, starting a trade war with China, tax cuts for the richest & shutting down the NHS ?
Johnson on the other hand....
The test of Neil will be if he does the same or worse to Johnson
Andrew Neil is a equal-opportunities rottweiler. I'm sure he's absolutely relishing tearing Boris Johnson a new one. The Tory's policies, such as they are, are as ripe to be torn to pieces as Labours
Both manifesto's are the work of fantasists that won't stand first contact with reality. Andrew Neil is intelligent enough to know this. And so is Boris Johnson
I doubt Johnson is relishing the prospect of the interview after watching that train wreck last night. Johnson's shtick does ok for him when he's allowed to bluff and bluster uninterrupted, but it collapses under scrutiny. Neil will make mincemeat of him too
I thought this was a well researched car crash interview?
And of course Andrew Neil is above the fray on racism and anti-semitism isn't he? It's not like he's the chairman of a magazine which publishes blatanly racist articles like the one mentioned below. What Corbyn should have done is call him out on his own racism, like Owen Jones did a while ago.
Neil will make mincemeat of him too
He won't. And it won't be because of Boris's amazing interview skills.
Andrew Neil in his day to day political commentary is very right wing… that doesn’t change the fact that he does these interviews well. If Corbyn had tried to change the interview into questioning Neil, he’d have looked as if he didn’t want to answer questions. Jones did a great job… I was cheering him… but that wasn’t in an election campaign leaders interview.
What Corbyn should have done is call him out on his own racism, like Owen Jones did a while ago.
And anyone in possession of even the the tiniest shred of political nouse would have done exactly that. But its Jeremy Corbyn we're talking about here, isn't it...
He doesn't exactly need Andrew Neil to outsmart him, does he? Petty much anyone could manage it. The fact is that he's totally incapable of thinking on his feet and is basically absolutely hopeless at this politics lark.
Which is exactly why he should never have got anywhere near the leadership and why labour are flailing so impotently in the polls. Even more so after Grandads latest disaster. He;'s an open goal for Andrew Neil, the Tory party, the right wing press and pretty much anyone else who fancies having a pop
*sigh*
Neil’s interview of Johnson during the leadership campaign can be watched here:
Judge for yourself.
Johnson will avoid an interview before the election, if his handlers think they can get away with it.
But its Jeremy, isn’t it…
Not going to deny it's not in his nature to go on the attack. He's allergic to confrontation and an instinctive consensus builder. There are pros and cons with that. Personally I'd love it if he went on an all-out attack on Boris's sexual habits and uncertain number of kids be we all know he won't. Good traits for a PM, not that great for a campaign.
He’s allergic to confrontation and an instinctive consensus builder
Eh? He can't even build a consensus within his own party. Mainly as he's demonstrated zero desire to do so
Good traits for a PM, not that great for a campaign.
Not much chance of being a good PM if you're shite at campaigning, is there? One tends to follow the other
Like I said, he's basically completely useless as a politician. But his delusional fan club still won't accept that. LA-LA-LA-NOT LISTENING!!!!!!
Its ridiculous that He's still there, all ready to lose a second election. He should have been put out to pasture 2 years ago so that the party could move on from its latest failed experiment. Not losing quite as badly as expected when faced with an opponent who conducted the worst election campaign in history is hardly an endorsement to be given a second crack at it, is it?
All this latest car crash shouldn't even be up for discussion. Its not like we didn't know what to expect, is it?
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I’m really liking the Lib dems this time: 1p tax rise on all of us, not just people who can easily avoid it.
Just checking, I am assuming that was a sarcastic comment?
What Corbyn should have done is call him out on his own racism, like Owen Jones did a while ago.
You mean turn a political debate into a personal slanging match? a) no and b) Corbyn's trying to build a career out of being reasonable and not descending into mud slinging. It's just a shame people don't see this and instead want a champion who slays all enemies. Apparently spin is good if it's on your side and according to your own biases.
He should have been put out to pasture 2 years ago.
Well the labour centrists didn't seem to think so. Anyway, you're getting ahead of yourself again, very few people will have seen the Neil interview and it will have changed very few minds. It will still come down to what the people want, brexit or investment-led policies which will address the inequality and decay. It's a fairly simple choice they have to make.
Well the labour centrists didn’t seem to think so.
You seem to be getting confused as to how decisions in the labour party are presently taken? The centrists have zero influence so it doesn't matter what they think.
This continuing rudderless shambles is entirely on Momentum and the rest of the sixth formers. You broke it, you own it
Jake Cable - Is that Vince Cable's lad?
He has a point. Just say sorry, and move on. Or rebut the accusations. Or something.
It will still come down to what the people want, brexit or investment-led policies which will address the inequality and decay. It’s a fairly simple choice they have to make.
Sadly, still not a binary choice.
If you don't want Brexit, it's still on the table with labour.
If you do there is Tory
If you are sure it's your no.1 priority to give up on the madness, then there's Lib Dem. Sigh
From the Independent via FB:
Jeremy Corbyn has released an uncensored official document which he says provides confirmation that the NHS is on the table in trade talks with the USA.
Could get interesting...
The centrists have zero influence so it doesn’t matter what they think.
They could have easily challenged the leadership and called for Corbyn to resign in the wake of the 2017 defeat. I don't recall them doing either. In fact I distinctly remember them admitting they were wrong and that Corbyn had earned the right to continue. If Corbyn continuing as leader after 2017 was a mistake, then everyone in the labour party is complicit, not just the left. Nice attempt at revisionism though 🙂
Charles Clarke, former Lab Home Sec, on 5Live with sharp criticism of Corbyn and faint praise for McDonnell.
Hmmmm.
Following rabbinical comments and Neil's interview, this isn't helping.
Having said that he's even more critical of Johnson.
very few people will have seen the Neil interview
They have probably heard the “why didn’t he just say sorry” comments on social media, TV, radio etc though.
Why didn’t he just say… “Sorry for any slow responses to antisemitism complaints by the party in the past, at my insistence we have improved our systems now, and I personally will ensure we stay on top of such things in future”?
According to Politico London Playbook
Neil is now due to grill Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson — though unfortunately we don’t know when just yet.
Do you think Johnson will take a sicky or send Gove instead?
In fact I distinctly remember them admitting they were wrong and that Corbyn had earned the right to continue.
Well, apart from those who have given up and sloped off… either out of parliament or out of the party completely.
2016 “Why aren’t they loyal to the leader, they’re just tories”
2020 “Why didn’t they warn people about the leader, and seek to replace him”
Anyway, I can’t wait for the NHS stuff to get running this morning, and move this on…
They could have easily challenged the leadership and called for Corbyn to resign in the wake of the 2017 defeat
You know the theory on madness, and repeating the same exercise and expecting different results, right?
Same common room electorate... same result.
This directionless, flailing car crash and losing a second election is absolutely 100% at the door of the PFJ I'm afraid fella. Corbyn, his grim cabal and his 6th form cheerleaders have been running the show for nearly 5 years now and have gradually purged all but the loyal Corbynites from any position of power or influence
So its a bit bloody rich trying to palm this off on the centrists/Blairites. This is all Momentums doing. They need to acknowledge that and take some bloody responsibility for it
then everyone in the labour party is complicit, not just the left.
True. But inexplicable.
My local Labour candidate came knocking last night. I asked him from the outset whether he was a Corbyn man. He would not answer the question directly. He tried to wriggle away from the question, recognising that it is poison, and the wrong answer will undermine everything else he might have to say
If Corbyn's 'grass-roots' support can't stand up and be counted, what will the folk going to the polls think?
very few people will have seen the Neil interview
If I were you, and you want to continue in your little la-la-land Corbynite bubble, I'd avoid any of todays front page headlines. The ones Jeremy wrote for them last night. Or any TV or radio news, where its leading every broadcast
Corbyn wisely doubling down on the USA wanting to do away with the way the NHS works to reduce the price paid to USA companies for drugs. This one needs hammering home.
Corbyn wisely doubling down on the USA wanting to do away with the way the NHS works to reduce the price paid to USA companies for drugs. This one needs hammering home.
The underacted documents are on order order.
I’d avoid any of todays front page headlines
If you think the labour party should set policy, campaign, and conduct itself with the aim of getting positive headlines in the Daily Mail then it's not the left who are in la-la-land.
Why didn’t he just say… “Sorry for any slow responses to antisemitism complaints by the party in the past, at my insistence we have improved our systems now, and I personally will ensure we stay on top of such things in future”?
I don't get why they can't just come up with a rehearsed form or words exactly as you suggest. There must be a reason, I'd love a politcal expert to explain why they can't just do that.
They would no doubt say it was due to Corb's 'integrity'
I’d love a politcal expert to explain why they can’t just do that.
NickC gave a plausible explanation yesterday.
If you think the labour party should set policy, campaign, and conduct itself with the aim of getting positive headlines in the Daily Mail then it’s not the left who are in la-la-land.
Thats one thing, but literally writing their headlines for them every day is another. He's an open goal for the Mail and Telegraph and unfortunately the BBC and broadcasters all follow their lead.
He's a liability. Has been from day one. And he gets progressively more of one. A championship-winning voter repellent
If the Daily Mail, Express, Torygraph and Tory Central office were tasked with choosing the leader of the Labour party, they'd opt for Jeremy Corbyn every single time. He's all their birthdays and christmases come at once. The gift that just keeps giving. As he proved yet again last night
If the Daily Mail, Express, Torygraph and Tory Central office were tasked with choosing the leader of the Labour party, they’d opt for Jeremy Corbyn every single time
And in the interests of balance, the Labour NEC would also choose Boris in a heartbeat. The potential for ballsups and scandals would be easy prey to them
Sadly, it's not working out that way.
NickC gave a plausible explanation yesterday.
You mean this:
For those of you who don’t follow internal Labour local party politics (and why would you) look at the chart I’ve posted (of the religious voting in the 2017 election), and note that really large orange spike. That is the Muslim Labour vote. It’s hugely hugely important in the story of both Labour support in the Midlands and the North West, and Anti Semitism, and why the Labour executive struggle with this issue so much. The Labour strongholds in the East Midlands and in large parts of the North West are Muslim. Not helped by muslim, or voted by muslim, to all intents and purpose, the Labour party in many of these areas IS muslim. Nationally it’s massively important, there is absolutely no way that this vote can be lost…The Jewish vote on the other hand…ah, not so much…(voting is after all, a numbers game)
Here’s the problem, there is unfortunately a teeny-tiny part of the Muslim vote that is anti Semitic, and the old guard of some of the Labour Party find common ground with them in the Palestinian struggle. I’ll point this out for the hard of thinking, but it bears repeating.
I totally agree with Nick's post, [1] BUT it doesn't explain why some kind of apology can't be rehearsed relating to the process, that dodges the question in interviews without losing 'those' voters.
[1] 300k Jews in the UK, 3,000,000 Muslims. Electorally there's no doubt which side has to be pandered to.
Sadly, it’s not working out that way.
It never will. When the media are Tory based the Labour party will never win that game. Even if they were not attacking Corbyn they would just be attacking polices with lies about what they are and put those lies on the front page.
And as Binners says, TV media just follows the lead. Just this morning the TV morning news was referring to a Telegraph headline. If TV is supposedly unbiased why would they refer to a Telegraph headline almost as fact? (one of the most biased newspapers available)
This is the stuff the average voters sees, they won't have been watching the Andrew Neil interview.
If the Daily Mail, Express, Torygraph and Tory Central office were tasked with choosing the leader of the Labour party, they’d opt for Jeremy Corbyn every single time. He’s all their birthdays and christmases come at once. The gift that just keeps giving. As he proved yet again last night
They did when they encouraged Tory supporters to pay to become Labour members and vote him in - because they thought he would sink Labour.
IT DIDN'T WORK.
I've noticed you only pop up when there is bad news about Corbyn in the media. You never pop up to say that was a good policy etc.
There is no way that interview was anything out of the ordinary. Cut and thrust Paxman with nothing of use to the electorate - you are amplifying 'their' bullshit.
The gift that just keeps giving. As he proved yet again last night
It's not that Corbyn is unpopular from any frame other than the MSM's reporting. Any Labour leader will get the same sort of treatment. It will just be from a different angle.
You way is just to suit up a new Labour leader - make him a BBC luvvie, jump in bed with Murdoch and deliver the satus-quo (drip-fed Neoliberalism)
There is no integrity in that, and it won't change our country for the better.
We are three weeks into this election, and so far We have not had a single piece of literature from any of the parties, nor have we had anyone canvassing. This follows the pattern for all of the general election campaigns since we moved here 25 years ago. We have never had a canvasser in that time period, and the only election literature that I can recall receiving in the past 10 years was from the Brexit Party for the european elections. I assume this is because we are in a very very safe seat-the 29th safest tory seat apparently. I guess this makes my vote less valuable to anyone
They did when they encouraged Tory supporters to pay to become Labour members and vote him in – because they thought he would sink Labour.
IT DIDN’T WORK.
Ehh? It worked a treat. Labour failed to beat the worst government in living memory in 2017. If that's not sunk I don't know what is.
I’ve noticed you only pop up when there is bad news about Corbyn in the media. You never pop up to say that was a good policy etc.
Not one bit; I've been travelling for a couple of days.
When there is a bit of good policy, from anyone, I'll definitely pop up.
The NHS thing should be incendiary. Do you thing it will be enough?
There is no integrity in that, and it won’t change our country for the better.
Neither will spending money we don't have nationalising everything. I'm old enough to remember Britsh Rail, British Leyland, the National Coal Board and British Gas.
None of them leave good memories, why would it be different this time around.
And - stop Brexit. Just do it. Stop prevaricating.
You mean this:
Yup. He's right.
BUT it doesn’t explain why some kind of apology can’t be rehearsed relating to the process
But they have, how many times have you heard Corbyn say 'Any form of racism, including anti-semitism, is completely unacceptable in our party, and we will continue to root it out wherever we find it'. You may not think that's an apology, but it's a clear statement of intent, and acceptance of the problem. Labour are doing more than any other party to remove racism from it's ranks. It's also the only party that admits there is a problem. The difference is that they do that impartially and universally with all forms of racism, and their opponents ludicrously point to that as an acceptance of AS.
Moved to other thread.
The NHS thing should be incendiary. Do you thing it will be enough?
They should turn it into a catchy slogan and then employ it with varying degrees of success.
Someone kindly started another thread for all the AS concerns/conspiracies. Please move it over there.
Let’s get stuck into what the NHS pays for drugs, and how that’ll have to change for Johnson to get his quick UK:USA trade deal… and how that trade deal will also seriously impede on getting the trade deal we need with the EU… the one Johnson says he can get sorted inside 12 months… and painting all this as “ending uncertainty for business” and “protecting the NHS” is outright lying.
For Lady Warsi, who had tirelessly campaigned against Islamophobia for years, having been the country’s first female Muslim cabinet minister, it was a moment she had longed to see. Unable to contain her delight, she tweeted her thanks to Javid, who now serves as chancellor. “It’s a shame,” she added, “that it’s taken four years and a leadership contest to finally drag my colleagues kicking and screaming to address this issue.”
Now, however, it appears that that commitment has been watered down. Earlier this month, days after Gove insisted that the Tories would “absolutely” hold an independent inquiry into Islamophobia before the end of the year, Johnson performed a U-turn. It would instead be a “general investigation into prejudice of all kinds”.
This is not the first time Warsi has found herself at odds with her colleagues. “I’m really, really hesitant about making this Sayeeda v the Tory party,” she says, but “it’s increasingly becoming like that because there are so few other voices.””
So how much coverage does this get? Islamophoba and racism in general is far far more prevalent within the Tory party than antisemitism in labour. We have a racist in charge of the tory party, we have a life long anti racist campaigner leading the labour party
which party has the bigger issue? which party gets more negative press?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/27/sayeeda-warsi-tory-islamophobia-muslim-prejudice-investigation
Donald Trump is ready to use trade talks to force the National Health Service to pay more for its drugs as part of his scheme to "put American patients first”.
Mr Trump has claimed that the high costs faced by US patients are a direct result of other countries’ health services “freeloading” at America’s expense.
Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States.
"On the foreign side, we need to, through our trade negotiations and agreements, pressure them," Azar said on CNBC.
"And so we pay less, they pay more. It shouldn't be a one-way ratchet. We all have some skin in this game."
He continued: "The reason why they are getting better net prices than we get is their socialised system."
I’m old enough to remember Britsh Rail, British Leyland, the National Coal Board and British Gas.
None of them leave good memories, why would it be different this time around.
Why wouldn't it? Private companies are badly run all the time*, we don't use that as an argument against the concept of privately run companies do we?
You know how people go on and on about how railways are so much better in other countries? Lots of them are nationalised. It's possible to run a nationalised railway well, so why couldn't we? Surely you're not saying those foreigners are better than us?
* like most of the rail companies, in fact, or indeed Railtrack - remember that? Openreach also universally complained about and for that matter utility companies.
that’ll have to change for Johnson to get his quick UK:USA trade deal… and how that trade deal will also seriously impede on getting the trade deal we need with the EU… the one Johnson says he can get sorted inside 12 months… and painting all this as “ending uncertainty for business” and “protecting the NHS” is outright lying.
Would that not be knocked on the head immediately by staying in the EU? Would it not be the easiest solution to the issue?
Would that not be knocked on the head immediately by staying in the EU? Would it not be the easiest solution to the issue?
In practical terms yes, but not politically.
Neither will spending money we don’t have nationalising everything. I’m old enough to remember Britsh Rail, British Leyland, the National Coal Board and British Gas.
None of them leave good memories, why would it be different this time around.
I'm open to it being different ... however I don't think rushing into it is a good idea but most importantly I don't think this is the right time because
And – stop Brexit. Just do it. Stop prevaricating.
They did when they encouraged Tory supporters to pay to become Labour members and vote him in – because they thought he would sink Labour.
IT DIDN’T WORK.
You what? It couldn't have worked better! The labour party is now a completely unelectable, impotent shambles that is about to lose yet another election to a chaotic government led by a far right narcissist. Not only that... its in the process of purging anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of St Jeremy in a bid to make themselves even less electable. The front bench are gang of utterly incompetent, anonymous placard-wavers
So how do you define that as a success? Go on....
It’s not that Corbyn is unpopular from any frame other than the MSM’s reporting.
He has the lowest approval rating ever recorded for a leader of the opposition. Far worse than Iain Duncan Smith or Michael Howard. Thats not the fault of the press, thats the fault of Jeremy Corbyn
You Corbynites really do need to re-engage with the real world
Lots of them are nationalised. It’s possible to run a nationalised railway well, so why couldn’t we?
Because the govt isn't/wouldn't be capable of doing it. Otherwise it would already be forcing change on the private companies through legislation and oversight. Govt's of either colour over the last 20 - 30 years, I am referring to.
I can't help but feel this is 'it'.
Corbyn has the smoking gun. The contents of that unredacted report are utterly outrageous (assuming the précis I have read is true) and run directly contra to promises Johnson has made.
This should be enough to unite people against Johnson, it really should.
Jezza has the means now, right now. He has to make this count, publicly, repeatedly and loudly. Make damned sure that Johnson has to answer questions about this document and how it runs contra to his assurances.
The labour party is a completely unelectable
As you say EVERY post. We haven't forgotten you know 😉
Let’s get stuck into what the NHS pays for drugs, and how that’ll have to change for Johnson to get his quick UK:USA trade deal…
There's more stuff in these trade talks docs than stuff about the NHS. Like the fact that any mention of climate change is banned by the US.
I can’t help but feel this is ‘it’.
Brexit alone should have been 'it'.
But it was fumbled into an irrelevance. Let's see if this is handled any better.
He has the lowest approval rating ever recorded for a leader of the opposition. Far worse than Iain Duncan Smith or Michael Howard. Thats not the fault of the press, thats the fault of Jeremy Corbyn
And you don't think that the approval rating is so low because of what the press have been saying about Corbyn for the last 3 years?
I am not a supporter of Corbyn as a leader as he is crap at it but he is not what the press have made him out to be and what the press say is all that a lot of people use to base their judgement on.
It is ALWAYS tougher for a Labour leader than a Conservative one, when it comes to the media. Johnson, Milne, Murray & Co don’t have the skills to work within that constraint… and there is still the suspicion that they are not even trying. Their aim is the long term transformation of the Labour Party, that matters to them far more than replacing the Tories as the party of government.
Now the right wing ****terati want Corbyn done for treason. Is there any end to the madness?
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1199639844097531904?s=20
Interesting that it’s “sensitive” not “top secret”… there’s a whistle blower’s defence right there. Looks like it was leaked online back in October as well… journalists being caught on the hop… they have nothing genuine to defuse this story with, and nothing to pin on Corbyn. This one needs hammering home… it’s the one thing that can open the eyes of the public to what a Johnson pivot from EU to USA means… it is of very little benefit to the UK economy as a whole, and will be to the detriment of the NHS.
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They did when they encouraged Tory supporters to pay to become Labour members and vote him in – because they thought he would sink Labour.IT DIDN’T WORK.
You what? It couldn’t have worked better! The labour party is now a completely unelectable, impotent shambles that is about to lose yet another election to a chaotic government led by a far right narcissist. Not only that… its in the process of purging anyone who doesn’t worship at the alter of St Jeremy in a bid to make themselves even less electable. The front bench are gang of utterly incompetent, anonymous placard-wavers
So how do you define that as a success? Go on….
It’s not that Corbyn is unpopular from any frame other than the MSM’s reporting.
He has the lowest approval rating ever recorded for a leader of the opposition. Far worse than Iain Duncan Smith or Michael Howard. Thats not the fault of the press, thats the fault of Jeremy Corbyn
You Corbynites really do need to re-engage with the real world
The tory press have done a right number on you Binners. 😆
And there’s more… much more…
This is the ballgame, right here, right now.
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