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As Dazh points out (but Corbyn does not) it is just the Withdrawal Agreement, not “negotiating a softer Brexit”. There will not be a fully formed new relationship on the referendum ballot form, just a new WA with a different political declaration. Can probably be done in a month. If we vote to Leave, then once we are in the transition period there’s still all the details of a new relationship to hammer out. And Labour are still talking about a new Customs Union where the UK has as say in all EU trade deals, as a non-member… which given our size will be very difficult to nail down with the EU. And Labour are still talking about leaving the Single Market, but staying aligned to it… which, again, involves far more to be nailed down legally and practically than the nice little glib statement suggests. All this will take time, but, to be fair, probably more straightforward than what Johnson&friends have in mind as they try and triangulate EU:UK:USA relationships with an aggressive USA administration and EU countries who will have no trust in us.
I’ve been waiting for Blair to do his bit to prevent a labour win. And he says he wants to stop brexit? He can’t help himself can he?
Instead of playing the man - why don’t you address what he has to say?
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Thanks @kelvin.
Am I right in thinking that Labour's proposed WA means that the NI/Eire border becomes a less complex issue as well?
<Yes @stevious it would remove a lot of the problems on ni/eireland border, not to say that the DUP will be pleased, but they hate Johnson's deal too.
Labours position is moving closer to a Norway deal (see FOM vote at conference)
It's Johnson's desire to de-align that makes his deal far more lengthy to negotiate than Labours close alignment model
Yes. Brexiteers will chuck all their toys out of thepram saying its Brexit in name only which is another plus.
why don’t you address what he has to say?
Go on then. Tony Blair is exactly right that normal people - and by that I mean anyone who has to work for a living or save for the future to fund their retirement - have no hope of anything better than what they currently get. That's because he's a supporter and promoter of a system where the state supports the rich and ignores everyone else. WIthin the narrow constraints of neo-liberalism he's right in that all we can expect is more of the same. We need to change it so that governments govern in the interests of everyone, not just a tiny few. If we do that then the things Blair says are fantasy are easily possible, he just doesn't have the vision or the ambition to want it. And why would he? He's spent the last 15 years getting very rich by working for the big banks, thinktanks and various other organisations who are as far removed from the interests of normal people as it's possible to be. Blair does not represent normal people, he represents the rich and powerful, and that's why he says these things are impossible.
Got to love a bit of Blair bashing. I never voted for him… and love how easy he is to attack from all angles… it almost makes me sympathetic towards him…
• neo-Liberal idealist apparently, but increased public sector spending and introduced regulations like the minimum wage
• sought to bring LibDems into government, but then became enemy #1 for them
• warmonger who introduced landmine ban
Everyone can hate him. I find him making some valid points these days though… points we really shouldn’t be having to hear come from outside our current leading politicians.
Anyway, stop Johnson getting his majority. If you’re in a Tory/Labour marginal, please vote Labour, whatever you think of Blair, Corbyn or even Miliband. Focus on denying Johnson his majority. Please. There is no chance of a Labour majority at this election… so you are voting for a Johnson majority, or to deny him that power.
Signs of the tory manifesto unravelling?
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1198877205310377984?s=20
Check previous page Dazh.
neo-Liberal idealist apparently
I don't think there's any of question of that is there? At the very most he seeks to blunt the sharpest edges of a system that is inherently rigged against normal people. His minimum wage is now defunct, and things like PFI enrich the private sector at the cost of the taxpayer. The things you use to defend him are proof that neo-liberalism doesn't work.
As for Blair-bashing, it's not hard is it? His views are as outdated and irrelevant any number of historical figures before him. He's a dinosaur, who's worldview has been proven time and again to be wrong with the benefit of simple hindsight. I'm amazed anyone listens to him tbh, he's up there with Nigel Lawson in the relevance stakes.
Check previous page Dazh.
Won't do any harm to have it again 🙂
There is no chance of a Labour majority at this election…
Have I missed something? Got any hard evidence of this other than labour's opponents saying it?
Have I missed something?
Reality? The last 3 years?
Anyway, if you’re in a Tory/Labour marginal, stop Johnson, vote Labour.
[ I know you are Dazh, that plea isn’t for you, more for people who may disagree with some of the things you are posting, but can see what Johnson is. ]
Got any hard evidence of this other than labour’s opponents saying it?
I didn't see anyone presenting this as anything more than a prediction, so it can rest alongside all the others and be judged at the earliest point we will have concrete evidence, ie shortly after the polls close.
As someone who has lived through a few electoral cycles, I'd tend to agree though. I'd be absolutely ecstatic if the polls were wrong enough to deliver a hung parliament, but I see even this as less likely than a Tory majority at this point.
Reality? The last 3 years?
FGS man cheer up. Whatever happens will happen because people want it. There is a clear choice between the tories and a hard/no deal brexit and precious little else, and a soft/no brexit under labour combined with the most transformative progressive policies we've seen since 1945. If the public choose the former it's because it's what they want. There's bugger all you or I can do about that.
There’s bugger all you or I can do about that.
Well, personally, I’m trying to reassure as many people as possible, locally, that they can and should vote Labour. You can do bugger all if you want to.
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You can do bugger all if you want to.
Everyone I know is already voting the right way, with maybe one or two exceptions, and they already know my views and they have their own minds. What else would you suggest? I quite enjoy trolling 'Tod Chat n That' on facebook but I suspect it will turn people away from voting labour than encourage them 🙂
I'm not really talking about that though, I'm saying that it's not worth getting despondent at something you have very little control over. At some point we may have to accept that we're simply in the minority. I don't like that any more than you but it's not something to get angry or worried about.
Besides, there's tons of stuff I don't really agree with to do with labour so the last thing I'm gonna do is join up and start toeing the party line. If I was going to get back into political activism it would be for something far more radical than nationalising the rail system or whatever other mild centrist policies they have.
There is no chance of a Labour majority at this election…
Is probably a reasonable prediction but talking to a lot of the young’uns at work I’ve cause for a tiny glimmer of optimism. I’ve never known them so politically engaged, and universally suppose of Labour, it feels. I have found the odd older reluctant Tory voter, but they all seem embarrassed about it.
The glimmer is probably the headlight of an approaching train though, to mingle my metaphors horribly.
It is possible that the political situation has changed to the point where the polling models are inaccurate enough to get it quite wrong. But then again if we know this, they probably do too.
The polls report a swing, the electoral calculus reports likely seats, but do they just apply that swing to the whole country? I've seen efforts to estimate swing by region but there were only something Wales, Scotland, North England, South England, NI - very broad brushes. I'd imagine that rural North, Urban North, Rural South, London etc would be more appropriate. I just don't know what to expect tbh.
Well they weren't accurate last time - so given the amount of variables this time, and the fast paced nature of this election - I'd say who knows.
Also the expectation that Boris was going to be good 'on the ground'. What happened to that?
I figure you have to reach a tipping point. Sometimes it feels like we're almost there but then others times it feels a real struggle.
When that exit poll drops in it will be make or break. When it came through in 2017 - it was a real shell-shock.
It is possible that the political situation has changed to the point where the polling models are inaccurate enough to get it quite wrong.
It's widely accepted that's the case by every commentator I've heard. The issue of Brexit makes it's near impossible to work out which seats will go to which parties.
I'd be interested in reading an explantion of why this election *is* predictable from someone credible who knows about polling. I doubt it exists.
. I just don’t know what to expect tbh.
It a fascinating election in that sense. Polls are showing all sorts of oddball stuff. Remain voters voting for the conservative in their riding because he/she has expressed a remain preference - they do know how this works?
Labour voters willing to switch to Lib dem candidate to stop the try candidate in the riding at a much higher rate than lib Dems willing to switch to Labour.
The Cons. lead getting bigger because Boris issnt making massive mistakes but isn't doing anything either.
Despite the polls showing a big lead, on a seat to seat level, things look less certain, although the money men are firmly behind Tory majority.
Now if someone could just explain how Boris keeps failing upwards and how on earth anyone can believe he is more prime ministerial than the alternatives, as the polls show people think, that'd be great, ta.
I’m not really talking about that though, I’m saying that it’s not worth getting despondent at something you have very little control over. At some point we may have to accept that we’re simply in the minority. I don’t like that any more than you but it’s not something to get angry or worried about.
Besides, there’s tons of stuff I don’t really agree with to do with labour so the last thing I’m gonna do is join up and start toeing the party line. If I was going to get back into political activism it would be for something far more radical than nationalising the rail system or whatever other mild centrist policies they have.
That's a fair comment but (and nothing personal) but just because your views put this as "mild centrist" that is based on your views not the views of a majority.
It may well be that we boot out capitalism and free markets and all is wonderful but that doesn't meet most of the electorates expectations or their CURRENT view of centrist and jumping from where we are NOW to what you class as "centrist" is a huge change that can't be taken in one democratic step.
I was truly appalled to read a local FB post the other day in reply to me saying to someone "go and vote for the least bad" because "Outraged of Woking" seemed like a genuine caring person. She talked about an elderly (93yr old) lady who had paid tax and NI her whole life... how no MP's cared... and given our incumbent is a NRG supporting Tory I'd have put her firmly in Labour... right until she was outraged that there is no BXP candidate to vote for.
I have no clue how she thinks Farage selling off the NHS will benefit this 93yr old and I honestly believe she believes what she's saying...
She should be voting Labour or at least tactically which might mean LibDem here... but somehow she swallowed the Farage lines and somehow managed to ignore the selling off of the NHS.
Everyone I know is already voting the right way
IME a large chunk of tory voters are closet voters and don't let on that's who they vote for.
I’d be interested in reading an explantion of why this election *is* predictable from someone credible who knows about polling.
Well, pollsters have been asked to have a go, and paid for it - and it's their whole business so you can't really blame them. I don't think they have confidence in their own product currently!
Oob
Curtis had interesting stuff to say on polling and his conclusion was that this time polls were not telling us a lot
Has anyone actually been asked for any of these polls? I've never ever been asked.
Come to think of it no election crap through my door..... as of yet.
I think an awful lot of seats are going to change hands, but how that pans out is anybodies guess
Come to think of it no election crap through my door….. as of yet.
it depends where you are an how 'safe' the seat is. We're in a key marginal that regularly changes hands, with small majorities. We've had loads
Only had a Lib Dem flyer here in our safe Tory seat.
Only had a Lib Dem flyer here in our safe Tory seat.
You're in my constituency, I think - we've had one for the Greens as well, so you're missing out. I used it to light the woodburner. 🙂
At least the Lib Dems are standing this time around.
Lowest poll deficit of the campaign if I'm not mistaken....
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1199008413394571264?s=20
Lowest poll deficit of the campaign if I’m not mistaken….
I do hope you're right, and that at the very least it's squeaky bum time for Boris in the next couple of weeks, which might provoke him into doing something epically stupid.
https://democraticdashboard.com/constituency/gordon
Tory MP ashamed to say he only won by 2500 votes.
excellent tactical voting site for remainers
https://tactical.vote/compare?ru=1&couk=1&pv=1&bfb=1
if your constituency has a mixed result, then read the excellent Jon Worth blog here
https://jonworth.eu/2019-uk-general-election-tactical-voting-guide/
If polls are correct, good that the gap narrowing.
As for Johnson, he has clearly listened to his handlers and eliminated most of the free-styling he has relied on previously.
He's staying on-message and trotting out the agreed lines.....get brexit done, unlock our deadlocked parliament, unleash potential, more police, more nurses, new hospitals - with little, if any, details or costings. Don't talk about tory policies; turn every answer into criticism of labour.
Will be interesting to see how Corbyn and Johnson fare when subjected to Andrew Neil's forensic interrogations.
And in an adjoining constituency to me....
https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2019/11/lincoln-conservative-candidate-karl-mccartney-faces-suspension-calls-far-right-retweets/
Yet another obnoxious individual who should have no place in public life; not the first time he's done this, unlikely to be the last.
Pathetic excuse for a human being who is unable to make a sincere apology.
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Have I missed something? Got any hard evidence of this other than labour’s opponents saying it?
It genuinely is very unlikely that Labour'll win a majority. Gerrymandering/FPTP/maths is against them at this point, in fact it's pretty unlikely that anybody'll win a majority but even if the scores were tied Labour would still usually return less seats
I posted this elsewhere but, just look at 2017. Labour 40% and 262 seats, Tories 42.4% and 317 seats. May very nearly netted a majority, despite having only 800000 more votes nationally.
While we're at it, look at the possible governments. The tories formed a government with their 13,646,000 votes and the DUP's 292,000 votes- a total of 13.948,000 votes and 327 seats. Labour couldn't have formed a government even with their 12,878,000 votes, and the Lib Dem's 2,371,000 votes- a total of 15,249,000 votes but only 274 seats. Add the SNP? 16.2 million votes and still only 309 seats.
So yeah, unless something amazing happens, Labour aren't going to have a majority. At least, not in government. It's entirely possible that they'll have the most votes but not the most seats. It's not entirely because our political system is screwed- but most of the other things that make it happen, are also dependent on that self same screwage.
IME a large chunk of tory voters are closet voters and don’t let on that’s who they vote for.
I suppose at least they are self aware enough to know that selfish and lacking in empathy is not a good look.
Where as really Brexit should have been done by now…
Really? I think the whole idea should have been ditched by now.
Well 3+ years and the electorate still don't know what Brexit is.. or 17.4M people are exactly sure what it means despite there being 17.4M different views?
And politicians are now claiming it’ll “be over by Xmas”, or within 6 months… it won’t be… it can’t be. And they wonder why trust is hitting all time lows. What will your average voter think when their employer is responding to the latest Brexit uncertainties… in 2021?
As the Brexit negotiations drag on into the mid to late 2020s, It will still be the fault of the EU, civil servants or SNP or anyone & everyone except the conservatives & leaver voters.
As for polls
They are not that great at capturing absolute voting levels
Pollsters improved methodologies after 2017 (and some were actually right- eg survation)
Better at showing trends, last 2 polls showed labour narrowing the gap
But they'd want to be a fair few points closer than they are now to avoid a Johnson majority
I accept the stick I got from my last post; I admit to being really lost and confused in this election.
Of course I know the Torys cannot be believed or trusted - I also know the same is true for the LibDems, Labour, Greens, etc. And whilst this is practically accepted in todays politics, you can often choose who you want by promising the most and even when its been diluted to an inch of its life - there is still a little substance left of the initial promises.
But in this election opposition parties are just promising an even longer time of uncertainty and further damage to the country, and of course the Torys are making their usual impossible promises about Brexit .. but nothing else of substance is being promised.
But in this election opposition parties are just promising an even longer time of uncertainty
They really aren't
Lib Dems revoke policy would see the Brexit negotiation hell killed off immediately
Labours 2nd ref would see it either killed off by summer or of if leave a few years of negotiation (conceivably when transition ends in 2021) with minimal divergence & Norway deal by 2022
Tories hard Brexit sees a year of transition, the inevitable extension /no deal cliff edge crapshoot in 2021 when his insanely complex maximum divergence deal is nowhere close to being agreed, 5-10 years before FTA is agreed.
@mooman please read this thread about what Johnson's Brexit inevitably leads to... https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/1198877316899885056?s=19
Hehe - and remainers are supposed to be the snowflakes...
https://news.sky.com/story/police-officer-orders-driver-to-remove-b-to-brexit-car-sign-11870098
Shame the police can't arrest lying bastards who practice to deceive... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-latest-tory-fake-swing-voter-boris-johnson-crick-ashfield-lee-anderson-a9216986.html
AD..
I read about that and it seems the person in question decided to remove the sign to avoid any potential formal action. He was sent on his way if he removed the slogan. Easy way out, I don't particularly blame him for that.
Unfortunate as I'm pretty sure it's been tested in court that "bollocks to brexit" is acceptable.
There was that guy in London who fought it, was it a banner over his café /hotel or something?
And plenty of lib dems having that slogan on tshirts..
Sounds like the driver in question simply bottled it when the police put a bit of pressure on him.
And politicians are now claiming it’ll “be over by Xmas”, or within 6 months… it won’t be… it can’t be.
Brexit itself will take years whoever tries to implement it. These claims purely refer to getting the withdrawal agreement through parliment. I'm not sure why people don't understand that ?
Brexit itself will take years whoever tries to implement it. These claims purely refer to getting the withdrawal agreement through parliment. I’m not sure why people don’t understand that ?
Because of more tory lies, point in case the "get brexit done" slogan/sound byte.
What they mean is, if they are being truthful, is "get brexit started".
Kimbers - thanks for that; I am making my eyes sore from reading so much of all the main parties trying to decide.
It must be added; I voted for Brexit - and still want Brexit done. But also recognise that this places me in a no win situation with the main parties.
It most likely will be done, but with Johnson suggesting it’ll be ‘done’ in January, and Corbyn suggested he’ll get it ‘sorted’ inside 6 months… they are both hoping to get the votes of people who are unprepared for it to take years and years… and that is further going to erode trust in voters when the lies and deceits are laid bare.
And politicians are now claiming it’ll “be over by Xmas”
Ah yes, when all else fails reference the war.
Would that be the one that specifically lasted far, far longer and was far far more unpleasant than anyone expected?
Labour really should stand aside in Esher & Walton
Full.thread is pretty bonkers
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1199049957665386501
Labour really should stand aside…
Not going to happen anywhere, to help defeat any Conservative candidate. That isn’t the priority. And it’s too late now anyway.
I'd back Corbyn to approach Brussels with a much better spirit of cooperation than Johnson.
Chief Rabbi now weighing in regarding Labour anti-semitism; can't see that helping Corbyn.
Too many brexiters appear to believe that we'll be completely out before end 2020; we may have a withdrawal agreement in place but then face possibly 10 years to negotiate and agree trade agreements.
At best the WA, if it happens, will be the end of the beginning.
I'm a committed retainer and hope (against hope) the GE result will provide the opportunity for a 2nd ref and cancellation of A50; in truth, I cannot see a path to that without dealing with the devil in the form of a 2nd indyref for Scotland.
Cameron should be deeply apologetic for the chaos he unleashed - but he isn't; should be shot (with shit). Arrogance of privilege - Johnson also.
The Chief Rabbi really has hung Corbyn out to dry. I know a few Jewish lifelong Labour supporters who say they can't vote for him.
Given his long standing position on anti-racism etc, I'm astonished this has come out under his watch - or has it always been there and only now being exposed?
Its neither
Its a concerted effort which has worked to some extent to equate anti isreal sentiment with anti semetic.
Yes there is some anti semitism in labour. Like there is amongst the population at large. However Corbyn is against the vile isreali apartheid government that routinely kills palestinians.
The Chief Rabbi really has hung Corbyn out to dry. I know a few Jewish lifelong Labour supporters who say they can’t vote for him.
I'm not convinced - the Jewish Labour vote is not that big to start with, and they don't vote en masse following the orders of whatever apologist for Israel is on the bullhorn this week.
“ Its a concerted effort which has worked to some extent to equate anti isreal sentiment with anti Semitic.”
A more plausible explanation is that Labour has taken on many new members and activists who are anti-semites. They also have a healthy dose of candidates standing whose “heritage” communities are extremely prejudiced against Jews so they are deliberately playing to the gallery.
History suggest that the roots of the anti-Semitism problem in Labour go way further back than 1948 - distaste for the more recent behaviour of the Israeli government on some issues is the convenient beard for something that goes back to the Bolsheviks, and mixes in with attitudes in what are delicately referred to above as "heritage communities", a dog-whistle in itself.
Rob dixon - that is not plausible at all.
Its as I siad. The isrealis and their apologists are aghast that there is a prospect of a government in the UK that will hold isreal to account for its vile actions. So hence the outcry of anti semitism. It has long been a part of the isreali political scene to decry any criticism of Isreal as anti semitic - although its based on the horror visited upon the palestinians not on a hatred of jews
You can critise the isreali government and support the palestinians without being an anti semite.
https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html
Edit - I did not read the text on that site - looks a bit dodgy to say the least. the maps show the picture clearly tho.
History suggest that the roots of the anti-Semitism problem in Labour go way further back than 1948
Really?
I must say I find it rather implausible that the views of people who must be long dead would have influenced party policy today. I mean, it's not like a family where parents inculcate their kids - most people are adults before they join a political party.
However it's clear that the anti-Labour media are using this as a weapon. Forensically dragging over every bit of smalltalk and blurb Corbyn has ever uttered whilst apparently being ok with the fact that Johnson is a trashbag who spews every 'ism' going without a care in the world.
Plenty of photos of the Chief Rabbi hanging with Johnson.
Is this racism thing politically selective?
And ... how does this make Johnson fit for office?
Because Johnson and the tories will not critise isreal
Massive conspiracy loon site, TJ.
911, birthers, oh and a nice bit of Jewish banker conspiracy thrown in.
Well done.
A moment of research would have told you, but if it suits the narrative, eh?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/What_Really_Happened
I’m not convinced – the Jewish Labour vote is not that big to start with
I am not convinced it makes any difference either. The Jewish vote is small combined with the fact that most people who are voting either don't believe the party to be anti-semitic or are not bothered enough about it to change their vote. In same way tory voters are not bothered about the islamaphobia in the tory party (which conveniently gets brushed under the carpet much more than anti-semitism within the Labour party).
Woeful position for labour to be in
Hopefully they'll be forced to make a change now & their new religious tolerance manifesto today will help.
Can't see any votes from the Jewish community coming back though.
Meanwhile Ivan Rogers (who's last well publicised speech predicted exactly what happened to Mays negotiations) has pointed out how Johnson has managed to box himself in, in exactly the same way for the more complex Future Relationship talks.
Sorry CFH. Lazy from me.
The maps are real tho and that is what I was looking for.
that goes back to the Bolsheviks
Yep, Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Rosa Luxembourg, Ygael Gluckstein, Ernest Mandel, Harry Pollitt, John Berger, Ralph Miliband all terrible anti-semites
I must say I find it rather implausible that the views of people who must be long dead would have influenced party policy today.
Are you new here? Aren't all parties influenced by the views of people long dead? To start with the easy ones; DUP. For another there's the Loyalist/Protestant/Rangers FC contingent in Scotland.
TJ please please stop with this. Please think about what you're saying. You are using the global conspiracy/divided loyalties trope of "All Jews are controlled by Israel" to divert criticism of a British political party by British citizens.
It's not a right wing press issue, it's a labour party issue that actually exists, that you a white man in Edinburgh who has no personal experience of it is, I think, part of the issue here, Labour activists I know personally have had pretty abhorrent abuse thrown at them by other labour members. You can argue the toss about whether Corbyn has sat on his hands or not (I think the executive have handled the whole thing really badly), but by denying the issue, you're party to letting it happen.
You can argue the toss about whether Corbyn has sat on his hands or not (I think the executive have handled the whole thing really badly), but by denying the issue, you’re party to letting it happen.
Agree. A very good example of why Corbyn should not be leader. He democratically allowed all the complaints to go through the processes and people that are in place. That may be fine for some things but when you have an issue of racism which is not being handled very well or anywhere quickly enough you then take control of it personally, as the leader.
For those of you who don't follow internal Labour local party politics (and why would you) look at the chart I've posted (of the religious voting in the 2017 election), and note that really large orange spike. That is the Muslim Labour vote. It's hugely hugely important in the story of both Labour support in the Midlands and the North West, and Anti Semitism, and why the Labour executive struggle with this issue so much. The Labour strongholds in the East Midlands and in large parts of the North West are Muslim. Not helped by muslim, or voted by muslim, to all intents and purpose, the Labour party in many of these areas IS muslim. Nationally it's massively important, there is absolutely no way that this vote can be lost...The Jewish vote on the other hand...ah, not so much...(voting is after all, a numbers game)
Here's the problem, there is unfortunately a teeny-tiny part of the Muslim vote that is anti Semitic, and the old guard of some of the Labour Party find common ground with them in the Palestinian struggle. I'll point this out for the hard of thinking, but it bears repeating. That the Israeli Govt are arseholes about Palestine, is NOT the fault of British citizens who happen to be Jewish, OK TJ? Have you got that message now?
I’m not convinced – the Jewish Labour vote is not that big to start with
Really? Have you ever been to Prestwich? Its the heart of the Bury South constituency. A huge Jewish community. Its been nailed on labour for ages. They haven't got a hope this time. And thats down to Corbyn.
Frankly, Its irrelevant what you or i think. The overwhelming opinion within the Jewish community (and I know enough of them to know) is that Corbyn is antisemetic, or that he's certainly tolerating antisemitism. I have Jewish friends who are life-long labour voters who are utterly scathing of Corbyn and his epic misjudgement (and thats giving him the benefit of the doubt) on this issue
I personally don't think he is, himself. But he is guilty of a total failure to get a grip of the antisemitism within the party through his usual role as spectator rather than leader (as per....). The way the whole thing has (or hasn't) been handled has been absolutely shambolic, at best. He's simply refused to take the issue seriously.
The Jewish friends i know will vote Lib Dem this time which will just hand the seat to the Tory's. So Bury South is one MP its definitely lost them already. Not really what they can afford to be doing is it? Chucking previously safe labour seats away? It just makes a Tory majority even more likely. And its entirely self-inflicted and unnecessary.
To start with the easy ones; DUP. For another there’s the Loyalist/Protestant/Rangers FC contingent in Scotland.
Tbf the DUP love a good bonfire & provocactive march to commemorate 300 year old sectarian battles
Interesting graph nickc !
I'm confused about no religion being smaller than all the others tho?
I suppose Johnson's islamaphobic comments have baked in opposition to the Tories in the Muslim communities too
Very sad to see 2 main political parties with such stark religious divisions between them
good to see the DUP looking for that next magic money tree...
Now we have Heseltine weighing in, again, against the tories - '....he is saying this morning that he doesn’t want to support a party that in his view - by pursuing Brexit - will make the country pooerer and will make it less influential across the world'.
In response, Gove says comments are....not helpful.