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If Johnson gets his majority, all the gerrymandering the Tories keep having to put on the back burner will start kicking off again, and Labour will be out for longer then 10 years, no matter what changes they make internally. But still, let’s not worry about that and start working with other parties to stop Johnson… instead… onwards to a glorious “we didn’t lose by as much as the polling suggested” future.
Burgon is utterly useless.
It really is 1983 all over again in the Labour Party
With the same results
Especially as the rest of us (who they’re meant to represent) get *ed over by the Tory’s for another *ing decade+.
Again
Bunch of self-absorbed, self-serving, clueless, virtue-signalling, placard-waving, sixth form level tossers
They’ll all be alright, obviously...
The multi-millionaire Marxists
Oh... and how are things in Bolivia?
It’s basically over, I’m afraid.
Johnson is going to get his majority and royally **** everyone except a few hedge fund managers, rich pensioners and spiv outsourcing firms.
And Labour will go down without so much as a bit of small arms fire.
Like farting against thunder with a lame duck like Corbyn at the helm. This could and should have been so very different.
Frank, lest we forget, he is currently Shadow Secretary of State for Justice and Shadow Lord Chancellor.
That's the calibre of people The Jezziah has around him.
It’s not over yet… but a hell of a lot needs happen in the next few weeks…
Please let us run your interwebz. Please?
Britain's opposition Labour Party was using a $20-a-month "basic security" service to protect its website when hackers attempted to force it offline last week and temporarily slowed down online campaigning, according to internal emails seen by Reuters.
Such entry-level protection is not recommended for large organisations at high risk of cyberattacks, but the messages show Labour has since decided against upgrading to an increased security package on grounds of cost.
https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1XT27T?taid=5dd430b5288b7c000126f13c&utm
Still, at least Milne and Murray got their pay rises, comrades!
CFH - yes, I know what role Burgon holds.
Johnson's front bench team are equally unimpressive - and significantly more odious.
Oven ready...
Pretty dull and uninspiring so far. Great choice eh?
Ok this thread is really beginning to annoy me now.
Binners. You put more effort into slagging off Labour despite being on their side than you do the Tories. This is the definition of infighting isn't it? One of many things that you heavily criticise Labour for, and yet you're doing it yourself. Corbyn wasnt elected in a vacuum. Situation led us here, so don't just attack him all day long, it's damaging the prospects of your own side.
Flashheart. You're just throwing mud like a kid in a playground. You know damn well that the Labour party website is probably run by some junior minion with no clue. You also know that Labour party HQ doesn't just take over the country if an election is won, there's like, a government, a civil service and stuff. You're just making snide insinuations to mock the side you don't like, like a primary school kid. ****ing piss poor.
Everyone else: grr.
Ok this thread is really beginning to annoy me now.
I'm quite enjoying it. The plight of people on here who've spent the last however long slagging off labour/Corbyn and parroting the lies and smears from the people they supposedly disagree with is something to behold. And then they whine about how unfair it all is that the tories are ahead. Have I mentioned how people get the government they deserve? Well this place is a test-case of that.
Molls - I grew up in a northern town In the 80’s when the Tory’s just closed down the pits. I loath them with every fibre of my being. I can never forgive them for what they did to us, especially as they seem to enjoy it
So I get absolutely infuriated when I see the Labour Party repeat the mistakes of the 80’s, by being totally unelectable, allow the Tory's the complete free run they gave them from 1979 until 1997
The Labour Party under Corbyn and his millionaire Marxists are doomed to eternal opposition.
But they’re alright with that because they’ll carry on waving their placards and they won’t be the ones getting bent over by the Tory’s while they go in dry.
There will always be slagging off as long as parties sick to blind ideology rather than making individual decisions on individual situations at individual times based on what's best for the country.
The Conservatives and Labour are probably the best examples of this.
Molls – I grew up in a northern town In the 80’s when the Tory’s just closed down the pits. I loath them with every fibre of my being. I can never forgive them for what they did to us, especially as they seem to enjoy it
Same here.
And the only way we can reverse some of that shit is to go for the type of Government Corbyn is offering.
I don't know what sort of Government you think is gong to fix that.
So I get absolutely infuriated when I see the Labour Party repeat the mistakes of the 80’s, by being totally unelectable, allow the Tory’s the complete free run they gave them from 1979 until 1997
Yes, I am with you there, but you are actually making matters slightly worse.
So it’s my fault they’re totally unelectable?
Erm... ok
You know I draw pictures for a living, right?
I’m not a politician
Corbyn constantly avoiding the ‘is he a leaver or remainer’ question isn’t a good look.
Neither are those bloody glasses. Unless he’s got a wonky head won’t someone please straighten them...
jam bo
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Corbyn constantly avoiding the ‘is he a leaver or remainer’ question isn’t a good look.
Only if you're an idiot that can't see by the tory sound-byte.
So it’s my fault they’re totally unelectable?
Erm… ok
You're certainly not helping, and it's really ****ing tedious.
Corbyn constantly avoiding the ‘is he a leaver or remainer’ question isn’t a good look.
It's not, but it's better than having a platform based solely on a single ad hom.
Only watched the last 10mins,thought Corbyn came across better than Johnson to be honest but then I really detest Johnson so probably a wee bit biased.
Corbyn constantly avoiding the ‘is he a leaver or remainer’ question isn’t a good look.
Why? I would have though a politician saying a decision of such magnitude is one for the people is a perfectly acceptable position, and that's what he said repeatedly.
Neither are those bloody glasses. Unless he’s got a wonky head won’t someone please straighten them…
And that's why we will get the government we deserve. Who gives a shit about his glasses.
Based on that performance I'd say we're stuck with Boris for the foreseeable
Molls – I grew up in a northern town In the 80’s when the Tory’s just closed down the pits. I loath them with every fibre of my being. I can never forgive them for what they did to us, especially as they seem to enjoy it
Same here.
And the only way we can reverse some of that shit is to go for the type of Government Corbyn is offering.
I don’t know what sort of Government you think is gong to fix this.
I don't know why you can't seem to grasp the fact that Corbyn's Labour are not competent enough to fix anything.
The best that I, and many other posters on this thread, can hope for is another hung parliament. That's a pretty sad indictment of the current political situation.
JP
I’ll more than likely vote labour but attack away.
The starkest difference that i can see between the 2, is that Corbyn is telling you what he's going to do (agree with that or not, but they are fairly clear).
Johnstone is completely short on details, for anything.
I'm gonny dub this election "The Battle of the Bolshevic and the Bullshitter"! 😆
Wouldn't it be fun if millions of people made a protest vote for the green party.
iffoverload
Member
Wouldn’t it be fun if millinos of people just made a protest vote for the green party.
yay, middle class ****ery to the rescue! 😆
I agree a hung parliament is the best outcome of the realistic options.
More uncertainty and messing about is very bad, but not as nearly bad as a Johnson lead tory government.
Vote tactically people!
seosamh77
yay, middle class ****ery to the rescue! 😆
what the lib dems got to do with it?
CaptainFlashheart
Please let us run your interwebz. Please?
Britain’s opposition Labour Party was using a $20-a-month “basic security” service to protect its website when hackers attempted to force it offline last week and temporarily slowed down online campaigning, according to internal emails seen by Reuters.
Such entry-level protection is not recommended for large organisations at high risk of cyberattacks, but the messages show Labour has since decided against upgrading to an increased security package on grounds of cost
Cloudflare is very effective and very cheap. It's used by 1000s of large companies.
The Labour site was useable during the attack, although slow. Cloudflare then kicked in a browser check to mitigate the attack.
Trying to make out that Labour are silly for using $20 Cloudflare isn't enough is silly, as it literally was. The site stayed up and nothing was compromised.
No, CaptainMeathead is totally on the ball.
So it’s my fault they’re totally unelectable?
Erm… ok
You know I draw pictures for a living, right?
No it’s not your fault. But you are undoubtedly an influencer as one of the most vocal and colourful detractors of Corbyn et al, whilst supposedly being ‘left leaning’ on here. STW is not mumsnet, but I don’t doubt that traffic to this site, and this thread is several orders of magnitude larger than the number of people who are brave (stupid?) enough to engage in opinion sharing on it.
Don’t underestimate your influence, when posting on a popular public forum. You’re currently working for Boris, whether you realise it or not. And we always joke that Chewk or whatever his username is, is the ‘bot’...
Johnstone is completely short on details, for anything.
The answer to better _____ is to ‘get Brexit done’.
Again and again. He was there to deliver one message only, and to avoid policy.
You’re currently working for Boris
Of course he isn’t. He’s voting Labour, and pointing out that not nearly enough other people will be because they have the wrong leader, who listens too much to the wrong people. If you’re in a Labour/Tory marginal, please also vote Labour. I wouldn’t advise going out there trying to get people to want Corbyn as PM though, people do not like or trust him. Focus on how vacuous and tub thumping Johnson is instead if you want to get people voting Labour.
v8ninety
Don’t underestimate your influence,
Erm, lets not over estimate it either, eh... 😆
binners
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Would I like to see the railways renationalised?Very much so.
Do I have even the slightest shred of confidence if the ability of Corbyn and the clowns around him not to achieve that task?
What do you think?
I’ve said god knows how many times on this and other threads that my problem isn’t with ideology, it’s with competence.
Look at the influence that idiots like Len McClusky have, then have a think about how their idea of renationalising would pan out?
Just take a moment.,,,
Think it’ll go well?
Ok, tories it is then. 😆
Erm, lets not over estimate it either, eh…
Fair do’s, that’s a bit dramatic. The effect is unquantifiable, but is definitely pushing in the wrong direction.
Of course he isn’t.
Okay, he’s a ‘useful (and quite entertaining) idiot’ then. At this moment in time it’s a two horse race, and constant, pointed and aggressive slagging off of Corbyn is only going to help one side. Save it for after the day of the race, then feel free to slag away.
v8ninety
v8ninety
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Erm, lets not over estimate it either, eh…Fair do’s, that’s a bit dramatic. The effect is unquantifiable, but is definitely pushing in the wrong direction.
It is, but tbf, I don't think binners toys coming out the pram (must be the longest tantrum in history, someone call the guinness book people! 😆 ) are all that influential! 😆
It is, but tbf, I don’t think binners...longest tantrum in history... are all that influential!
It might be though, because it’s funny, and incredibly persistent. You make people laugh and some of them will start to empathise. Then some of those people parrot similar views on their social media... and so on. I wonder how many unique views this thread gets?
They should empathise. They should feel his frustration, it is shared by many.
v8ninety
Subscriber
It is, but tbf, I don’t think binners…longest tantrum in history… are all that influential!It might be though, because it’s funny, and incredibly persistent. You make people laugh and some of them will start to empathise. I wonder how many unique views this thread gets?
Beyond the actual contributors, probably about 5.
This "debate" is very much self contained. I think we're safe from causing undue influence! 😆
Summed up nicely by Mrs Binners:
I’d never ever vote for Boris because he’s a massive * but Jezza’s hardly making it easy to vote for him, is he.
Personally I can’t believe that we’re faced with the choice of these pair of *-wits
We are truly ****ed, whatever happens
Grandad was pitiful tonight, as expected. He let Johnson off the hook, yet again
Any opposition leader worthy of the name would have taken him to the cleaners with such an open goal
Absolutely clueless!
I feel it too. But they will empathise Boris into no 10 before we know it. And then we are ****ed. It may be a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, but I’d like a chance to try swimming.
Just got home from climbing wall with cubs, called mum as usual, she is an ex daily mail reader, voted Tory in the 80's (ok late 70's I'm older than I remembered) even though she was a single mother on benefits and has a habit of telling me she doesnt like Corbyn "why" "just a feeling, I dont like him" "but policies?" "No dont like him"..
Anyway she said Boris was a clown and Corbyn seemed much better!! **** me Boris must have been shit!!
We are truly ****ed, whatever happens
We’re more asterisked if Johnson gets his majority. Much more asterisked.
Anyway she said Boris was a clown
He was. That wasn’t a mistake. He made things simple (everything came back to ‘get Brexit done’, as intended). He talked over the presenter to look like he was the powerful one. Job done. Grade A performance. Anyone watching who wants to know about his policies (for what that are) can find out elsewhere. Those that just want the spectacle, here’s the show. Awful isn’t it. All deliberate though.
The worst moment for me? Corbyn getting booed when mentioning that climate change hits the poorest people in the poorest countries hardest. So many nasty shits in that audience, and this country. And of course, they vote.
Choice is simple in Englandshire binners.
Do you vote tory, given their proven utterly useless 9 years in government.
Or you can vote Jeremy "might be a bit shite in office, but then again might no" Corbyn.
Plus there's only one of them that will guarantee a referendum.. so there is that.
“Neither are those bloody glasses. Unless he’s got a wonky head won’t someone please straighten them…“
He’s reportedly got a fresnel lens in the right side which would suggest a recent mild stroke - they are typically used to correct double vision.
If that’s the case a vote for Labour is probably a vote for McDonnell as Prime Minister within 6 months - and the hardline Marxist agenda that goes with that.
Based on their latest round of policy announcements anyone who things we couldn’t get a worse leader than Corbyn may be about to be in for a big surprise - but not in the way they expect.
Don’t underestimate your influence, when posting on a popular public forum. You’re currently working for Boris, whether you realise it or not. And we always joke that Chewk or whatever his username is, is the ‘bot’…
Yeah he’s definitely one of them traitors to the cause, even worse than the fascists. You’re either with us or against us.
Sigh
Anyhow can’t say Binners didn’t tell you all. For the past year you’ve all been telling Binners how wrong he was about Comrade Corbynichov bombing this election.
and the hardline Marxist agenda
Go on, tell us about that? 😆
For the past year you’ve all been telling Binners how wrong he was about Corbyichov bombing this election.
Did someone bomb Corby? 😆
Beyond the actual contributors, probably about 5.
I hope you’re right.
Grandad was pitiful tonight, as expected.
Except he wasn't.
Liked what he said. He's bothered about people.
Enough for me.
If you want to see stilted , over media-trained material - watch Jozza on ITV now.
Hang on a minute. I’m ‘working for Boris’?
Sweet Jesus! You really have been in the bunker too long
Expressing enormous and completely legitimate frustration at the utter cluelessness of Corbyn and his cabal, because you’d really really really rather have a labour government, or even an opposition that could actually be arsed to oppose now equates to ‘working for Boris’
You really need to have a word with yourself
I’m not your problem. Your problem is 5 years of Boris and Brexit.
I’m not enabling or ‘working’ for that, but some bearded lefty idiot is
Look a bit closer to home for who’s to blame.
But I suppose the corbynites are getting their excuses in early for the next ten years of Tory rule
Plus there’s only one of them that will guarantee a referendum.. so there is that.
THIS. Then get rid of him if you must. He can’t have much longer on this mortal coil anyway...
binners
Subscriber
Hang on a minute. I’m ‘working for Boris’?Sweet Jesus! You really have been in the bunker too long
Expressing enormous and completely legitimate frustration at the utter cluelessness of Corbyn and his cabal, because you’d really really really rather have a labour government, or even an opposition that could actually be arsed to oppose now equates to ‘working for Boris’
You really need to have a word with yourself
I’m not your problem. Your problem is 5 years of Boris and Brexit.
I’m not enabling or ‘working’ for that, but some bearded lefty idiot is
Look a bit closer to home for who’s to blame.
But I suppose the corbynites are getting their excuses in early for the next ten years of Tory rule
It's a binary choice binners... We are getting one or the other.
Classy behaviour from the tories: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50482637
Hopefully that stunt will backfire.
Do we blame Brownites and Millibandites for the first seven years of Tory Govt?
You’re currently working for Boris
He is, even if he doesn't mean to. He writes more anti-Corbyn content than anyone on this public forum for all to see.
If that’s the case a vote for Labour is probably a vote for McDonnell as Prime Minister within 6 months – and the hardline Marxist agenda that goes with that.
That's just not true. McDonnell isn't pushing Marxist policies, and Labour policy is not decided by the leader. But feel free to spout ignorant shit all over the internet, hey it's what everyone else is doing and it's also how people vote.
****s sake this is depressing. The entire world is ****ing doomed by stupidity. Who the **** thought democracy was a good idea?
The sooner Musk can sell me a spaceship to float off into the unknown the better.
He is, even if he doesn’t mean to. He writes more anti-Corbyn content than anyone on this public forum for all to see.
Will we be allowed to point out after the election that Corbyn is a vote loser?
When do the reality filters come off??
Anyway, please, everyone, if Labour can stop the Tory candidate in your seat, vote Labour. Johnson must be denied his majority, or this little group of countries is in for the worst 10 years any us will have lived through.
Expressing your legitimate concerns was fine and dandy (and mildly entertaining) before the election kicked off, but now it’s a binary issue. There’s no change leader option right now, and anything that criticises Labour helps the Tories. Perfectly happy with you saying ‘I told you so’ in four weeks time, I’ll even nod in agreement because I’m no Corbynite. But for now, give it a rest, because you ARE helping Boris in your own little way.
So I should just shut up and keep my opinions to myself because... socialism?
Good luck with your next 20 years of Tory rule then. Unfortunately I and the rest of the country is going to have to endure it too.
Is that easier if you’ve never criticised Jeremy? If you’re ideologically pure?
Do you get exemptions?
You may want to have a closer look at who the useful idiots really are here...
Who’s delivering Tory hegemony
Clue: he’s got a beard and wonky glasses
I’m suddenly possessed of the urge to buy crayons, eat a pie and vote for Boris.
How very odd?
So I should just shut up and keep my opinions to myself because… socialism?
Largely because, you know, right wing tory brexit... carry on with your corbyn bashing after that's been stopped.
I’m suddenly possessed of the urge to buy crayons, eat a pie and vote for Boris.
You jest, but every thread about sausage rolls makes me peckish...
hardline Marxist agenda
pffft.
So I should just shut up and keep my opinions to myself because… socialism?
No.
But yes, because you’ve turned into a right pain in the arse.
How many times? I’m still going to vote for the useless beardy Marxist ****!
Vote for the Tories? I’d rather remove my own kidneys with a teaspoon
But let’s not be under any illusions that the Labour Party is anything other than an unelectable shambles under that idiot.
He’ll lose this election by more than the last one, guaranteed.
My cat has got more chance of delivering a Labour majority.
Against Boris and this gang of far right sociopaths?
FFS!!!
I’m hungry now. Need sausage roll.
Look, those who are struggling with people who are banging on negatively about Corbyn, we still need these people to vote Labour in the seats that matter. And here’s the rub… most people are overly negative about Corbyn. Get people voting Labour. Don’t bother trying to get them to change their mind about Corbyn. Give up on chasing miracles. Stop Johnson.
Urggh… Gove in the spin room… an approximation of a human.
So... to be clear... when Boris gets his majority, it’s my fault?
Some hobby dickhead on a mountain bike forum? But no blame can be laid at the door of the leader of the Labour Party (peace be upon him) or those around him, for they are blameless
So… to be clear… when Boris gets his majority, it’s my fault?
Stop it. You’re being a wally. It won’t be all your fault. Just a small, unquantifiable amount. But y’know, you’re still pushing in the wrong direction right now.
If this is true what the Great British public want is an untrustworthy prime minister who's not in touch with ordinary people. Do I need say it again?
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1196908517434830850?s=20
i feel a bit sick.....
Farage seemed to come across better than any of the big 3. I only joined part way through but he generally answered questions, didn't waffle too much - I mean of course his policies and everything he stands for make me want to throw objects at the TV but as a politician, he's pretty good. At least in comparison to Bojo and Allotment Man
You’d think Labour would have an easy time beating the conservatives given these past years.
Trying to make out that Labour are silly for using $20 Cloudflare isn’t enough is silly, as it literally was. The site stayed up and nothing was compromised.
There was no data breach or significant degradation of service.
So we can only say they had sufficient safeguarding in place.
We can't say the same for arron banks twitter account, hahaha.
Are we allowed to talk about that yet or is the bribery and corruption still a UK state secret?
You’d think labour would have an easy time beating the conservatives given these past years
Indeed. But apparently if you point that glaringly obvious fact out then you’re working for Tory central office or traitorous Blairite scum
Your failure to see Jeremy’s obvious genius is probably some weird character flaw of yours and nothing to do with him, for he is god-like deity, beyond criticism. Like god, but better
Have you ever seen the salt-mines comrade?
But no blame can be laid at the door of the leader of the Labour Party
No it's obviously not your fault, but you do spend a lot of time debunking the so called conspiracy theory that it's the result of the media. You've already demonstrated today that you're susceptible to the simple tricks that results in polls like that above. Anyone who pays even passing attention to the media coverage on politics will see Boris portrayed as 'a bit of laugh' and jack the lad, whilst Corbyn is some sort of shadowy, suspicious figure.
How many times tonight have we seen people comment on his glasses? One eejit even extrapolated that he'd had a stroke and wasn't fit for the job from the angle of his glasses! And you reckon there's nothing going on here other than the paranoia of those of us who can see through it? We're all being played. You can either choose to see through it, or do what they want you to do. And what they want is for labour voters to do their job for them by supporting their narrative of Corbyn as 'un-prime-ministerial' (whatever the hell that means).
for he is god-like deity, beyond criticism
WIth a beard. And wonky glasses. And he dresses scruffily when not on the telly. And spends time on an allotment. And lives in a run-down ex-council house. And rides a bike with a silly stem. All good reasons he shouldn't be PM obviously.
working for Tory central office
Please. They aren’t going to pay you. More like working alongside the Tories.
How many times tonight have we seen people comment on his glasses?
If any politician appeared at one of the biggest TV events of the year for them, doing some kind of Eric Morecambe impression with their glasses, people will pass comment on it. It shouldn’t matter, and it doesn’t to me, but it’s quite normal. That’s people. Anyway, Binners didn’t comment on that I don’t think.
One thing I noted from the debate is that corbyn had more dodgy camera angles whilst boris was more angled angled front and centre.
But I suppose the BBC have to keep the current ruling idiots happy.
So much for impartiality..
Subtle but obvious for anyone into arts, composition, etc.