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I think voters tend to fall back into their traditional voting patterns in GEs - which is why, linked to FPTP, it's so hard for LDs to push on and parties like Brexit to breakthrough at all.
I also think that issues other than Brexit will get more traction as the two big parties try to broaden the debate - not to diminish the issue as it will play through but the election will not be a single issue.
Well I think they're seen as a middle ground party but I take your point completely.
I was more postulating this election could be a regression for centrist policies.
When it comes to the crunch most remainers will vote labour in the hopes that they would offer a ref if they won.
Lib Dems just not competitive in enough seats to take the risk when Johnson so dominant in polls.
Personally I'd vote lib dem or green if i wasn't in a labour /Tory marginal
Farage has had a panick, when the realisation that he would have to completely change his language posture set in, so ironically he won't stand this time when he has the best chance of finally winning a seat.
Long-Bailey has outlined the Labour Brexit stance with credibility at last.
"That will be a decision that will be taken at the time by our party"
Awesome. That's a party of opposition, right there.
This looks fun - potential Cummings link to Russia:
https://news.sky.com/story/dominic-cummings-labour-says-pms-senior-adviser-faces-questions-over-his-past-in-russia-11852833
Yes - I know it is probably unprovable bollocks but its nice to see the 'no 10 source' even getting a little bit of heat.
Timing is opportune given the unforeseen delays in publishing the Russian interference report too...
I think voters tend to fall back into their traditional voting patterns in GEs
Really? Many on here seem to think the euro election result will be repeated. Despite the common view that the electorate are stupid, I think the opposite is true. They know the difference between a protest euro vote that will have very little difference to their lives and a general election. They also understand how FPTP works and so they vote accordingly. The libdems don't seem to understand this though, which is why their poll ratings are going down.
Awesome. That’s a party of opposition, right there.
The only party offering and able to provide a second referendum. If you're a remainer, the simple fact is that a labour govt is the only route to stopping brexit.
I thought I would have a look at the tactical voting bit on " best for britain".
" We have made no reccomendations for scotland"
You’re totally deluded if you think that Farage is in this for anything other than
Which candidate is not in it for
themselves? Help me choose
Really? Many on here seem to think the euro election result will be repeated.
The Lib Dem vote will be interesting. I cant work out if they will kill it or be wiped out...its 50/50 i feel
The only party offering and able to provide a second referendum. If you’re a remainer, the simple fact is that a labour govt is the only route to stopping brexit
That’s bollox & you know it.
The LD’s are offering an exit to Brexit - as you full well know!
Lib dems - I would be surprised if they end up with significantly more mps than they have now. I also predict Swinson will lose her seat
Its not bollox. Unless you are voting lib dem as a tactical anti tory vote a vote for lib dems makes a tory government more likely and there is zero chance they will be in any sort of power.
Remember the lib dems are far closer to the tories under Swinson and she will leap into bed with them in an instant to get close to power.
Here’s TJ again with his constant theme of “I’m not voting Labour, but everyone else who does the same is just helping the Tories”. I know it’s different in Scotland, where the political landscape is now entirely different… but ultimately we will not have a majority Labour government for decades, mainly because Scottish voters, just like TJ, vote for other parties instead of Labour. So it’s a Tory majority, or a hung parliament of some kind… because of Scottish voters. English and Welsh voters need to focus on denying Johnson a majority… not wanging on about the “other” parties opposing him. As do the parties… looks like LibDems, PC and Greens are moving aside in quite a few seats now to give others a clear run at avoiding a Conservative Brexit MP. We need more of that kind of thing, or 10 years of Johnson is on all of us.
Where have I said I am not voting labour?
I have a tricky choice in my constituency between the liar and useless idiot the SNP put up or the labour man who bears responsibility for the stat notice scandal
They are the only two candidates with a chance of winning my seat. Lib dems are nowhere and tories a poor third
Its completely true that in many constituency voting lib em makes a tory winner more likely
You should vote for the party most likely to keep the tories out.
Are you voting Labour?
Not yet decided. I have to follow the polls and make a decision. However from a brexit / labour government point of view it makes zero difference as the SNP will support a labour government and are against brexit / for a second ref.
This is an election where what happens in Scotland is actually going to ( as usual) make no difference to Westminster.
No difference? Now Scotland is lost, Labour will not get to govern alone, if at all.
Scotland has decided there are other political options for them, which is fine, but it effects us all. Now, as the other countries consider moving away from a straight Red/Blue general election (which is only kept going by the FPTP system) you seem keen to make the case that they shouldn’t join Scotland voters in doing so.
You should vote for the party most likely to keep the tories out.
I agree with this. But I’d also like the election of MPs that see the FPTP system for what it is, a stranglehold on British politics that means whoever controls the big two parties can squeeze out all others.
Others have pointed out how people vote very differently when a different voting system is presented to them (eg the Euro election earlier this year). Voting reform is seriously needed… but neither of the parties that benefit from the current system will rush to do anything about that. There are quite a few Labour MPs that do think we need change… and if we get 10 years of Johnson perhaps more will in future… but we probably need voters to push MPs from other parties, and no party, into the commons to create any real change. So the FPTP system needs gaming, not just to keep Conservative Brexit MPs out, but get MPs not aligned to either of the big two parties into parliament.
Scotland has decided there are other political options for them
Chicken and egg.
Labour have been absolutely rudderless, and led by a succession of cringeworthy, talentless nitwits for years up here.
Labour have no one to blame but themselves for this.
Oh, agreed… but if Scottish voters can dump Labour in our lifetime, for perfectly valid reasons, it’s not impossible (although very unlikely) that England and/or Wales end up doing so as well. And hearing voices from the North telling us we “have” to vote Labour grates… and I’m voting Labour.
No difference? Now Scotland is lost, Labour will not get to govern alone, if at all.
Scotland producing 50 snp mps or 50 labour mps makes no differnce as both ways its 50 anti brexit pro second ref mps and snp will only support a labour government never a tory one.
Labour in scotland lost the voters due to their behaviour once they lost power at holyrood and by Murphy sharing a platform with tories during the independence referendum.
this was then compounded by the fact of the tory / labour non agression pact at the last GE where we saw labour candidates cheering tory wins!
Labour in scotland lost the voters due to their behaviour once they lost power at holyrood and by Murphy sharing a platform with tories during the independence referendum.
This only cemented it, they were dwindling long before Murphy started his usual drivel.
I’m as hypocritical/contradictory as anyone, I’d vote SNP in Scotland, even if I was in Swinson’s seat, even though I’d like to see lots more LibDem MPs and a few Green MPs down here, and I’m voting Labour to try and unseat our awful Conservative MP.
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Lib Dems just not competitive in enough seats to take the risk when Johnson so dominant in polls.
That depends on the seat in question. Where I live LibDems are the only credible opposition and have held the seat before.
Voting anti tory is the critical thing for anyone with progressive views. In my constituency the tories have a very slim chance of winning and I don't really care if its an SNP or labour mp as I dislike both candidates but they will do the same thing as regards a labour government and brexit
Slowoldman well in that case you vote for the party most likely to stop the tories. If its the lib dems hold your nose and vote for them
I don't need to hold my nose.
Jo Swinson defending the indefensible this morning. Does she even realise how slippery and dishonest she comes across as? It's no wonder their poll ratings are sliding. Add that to the fact that many lib dem grassroots activists and supporters despise her mollycoddling of centrist tories she's on very thin ice.
https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1190952807756632069?s=20
her mollycoddling of centrist tories
Well, if that means the LibDems are focussed on winning over past Conservative supporters and voters, and results in the LibDems taking seats off of Johnson’s party, and perhaps a few of the independent Tories MPs who stand against Johnson keeping their seats rather than them going to Conservative Brexit Party challengers, that sounds good to me. Reducing Johnson’s seat count should be everyone’s priority right now.
Johnson can’t be defeated without taking votes and seats away from his party.
In my constituency they're using the same "anyone but the SNP" argument which Labour used to hand the Tories 13 seats last time. ie, the entire Tory/DUP majority. And they still think they did well, because they gained 3% of the vote which the madness of FPTP turned into 6 seats.
If stopping brexit is the goal as they say then the SNP votes are going to be at least as important as the lib dems and might easily be more important (since there's every chance they'll hold more seats). And if you're worried about independence, stopping brexit stops the SNP's current push dead. This is simple stuff, and yet they're throwing it all away in an attempt to win a couple of seats.
Reducing Johnson’s seat count should be everyone’s priority right now.
Is that what she's doing here?
https://twitter.com/rosagilbert/status/1190291744530800641?s=20
ex-Tories Shirley?
One has joined the LibDems (Sandbach). And this is what we need… Tory MPs, voters and supporters abandoning the party… and realistically very few will jump straight to Labour in its current form… so LibDems need to grab those people (for all our sakes).
LibDems are standing aside to allow Greens, PC and independent ex-Conservatives a clean run at Tory seats. Are Labour doing the same? Anywhere? If not, why do they expect other parties to not campaign to beat them in seats they feel they could win. This is the Labour refrain “don’t fight against us, fight the Tories… oh, by the way, we’re fighting you at every opportunity”.
The only party offering and able to provide a second referendum. If you’re a remainer, the simple fact is that a labour govt is the only route to stopping brexit.
Horseshit
If Labour has said something as clear and definite as that it's been kept very low key. Even their own front bench aren't aware of it.
I suspect it's a case of optimistically reading between the lines by fans of the Corb, rather than policy
NOpe - its clear policy and a clear statement
Second ref on any deal. If labour can they will try to negotiate a better deal but it will still be subject to a referendum
You’re totally deluded if you think that Farage is in this for anything other than
Which candidate is not in it for
themselves? Help me choose
There are plenty, many of whom are useless, though. I'd place Corbyn in this category - I think he really believes in what he's doing, even though much of it would never work.
JP
So now that Boris has taken hard brexit off the table does that change the math? If this is genuinely a Brexit election should it? Given that post referendum polls showed the leavers 1st concern was immigration levels and that was remainders 2nd biggest concern, will no deal drive leavers to Farage?
Done of the polling seems to show people are more concerned with non-brexit stuff, like the NHS. If that's true why is Tories support so high, since they've done their damnedest to destroy it through austerity?
He has not taken a hard Brexit off the table at all. His "deal" is merely a withdrawal agreement and still leaves the hard brexit or "no deal" as more than a possibility
Why is tory support so high? When yo have control of almost all the media its easy to boost support for your party. Its about propaganda.
no deal” as more than a possibility
ccording to media reports, the Manifesto says a no deal brexit is no longer a possibility.
The Tories don't own the pollsters afaik and voting intention is heavily favouring them going in.
Why are the Tory’s ratings so high?
A lot of the English electorate seem to have a terrible cap-doffing attitude. They seem to assume that going to Eton and Oxford and the ability to use big words in a plummy accent denotes some kind of competence, whereas even a cursory glance at the last ten years of ineptitude and chaos prove the opposite
This government has also been extremely lucky in it’s (useless) opposition. Just ask anyone who listened to Dianne Abbots car crash of an interview on the Today programme last week
Just pulling up an objectively 'car-crash' interview doesn't make them a useless opposition.
Far from.
I think it's more the fact that the tact of mainstream interviewing and lack of proper journalism doesn't really do anything other than force politicians into polarised scenarios. This then gets repeated scant of facts as it tumbles out of proportion and often into forced contradiction (The news is often guilty of encouraging drama and conflict for ratings I believe.)
For instance:
Sophie Ridge's 'infamous' interview with Corbyn - where is he asked to condemn the IRA (you know the murderers we don't like) - 5/6 times. He clearly says "I condemn the loyalists and the IRA" - in the film. But the majority of the MSM reported the interview as he refused to condemn them. This then gets repeated over and over until the public think it's true.
That's not journalism in any way shape or form. It's flat out lies.
Truth:
Then for instance how the potential policy of integrating Independent schools was reported as banning/shutting/seizing independent schools. Same with the seizing of property (houses) - I can't find anything to support this other than Council's having the power to charge higher Council Tax to houses left empty for a long time. Etc.
So whilst MPs do cock up in interviews it's actually the echo chamber that tends to move away from the facts of the interview/policy/personality that causes the problem.
I'm not saying they don't have problems (some people just aren't great with media training) but it's also worth getting beneath the veneer rather than using an interview as a yard stick.
(I pulled the Telegraph interview from my post - I decided I don't want to give it attention.)
Cromolly - its the fact the tories and their friends own most of the UK media or have it so cowed ( the BBC) that they repeat the propaganda.
Its a relentless push of propaganda like that bit from the Telegraph that makes folk vote tory. Just look how many folk on here believe the lies about labour?
tjagain
Member
Why is tory support so high? When yo have control of almost all the media its easy to boost support for your party. Its about propaganda.
I don't think Tory support is anything like the polls suggest.
This said, the reason the Tories are not doing worse is because many swing voters think that Corbyn would be a disaster. I really don't want a Tory government, as I'm a staunch remainer, but, as a business owner I have real worries about the sort of mad stuff that a Momentum-driven Labour government would implement. There are lots of people like me who have similar worries.
JP
Cromolly - no deal is still a possibility as Johnson will not rule it out and insists that the transition period wuill not be extended - but there is not enough time to make a deal in the time left on the transition period. so no deal it is.
JP
Momenteum does not drive labour - thats one of the tory press lies
What sort of thing are you afraid of? I bet its again tory lies
I completely accept that the Murdoch effect is a real thing - that if you get his backing through the media, you are 8/10ths of the way in. Plus Corbyn is a Marmite leader.
There is a large block of older, private pension, house owners from when houses were affordable, who are sitting fairly pretty and who will vote Tory despite the fact that the Tories have gutted the NHS, are threatening the supply of Nurses and Attendant care worker s through immigration cuts.
The very thing those older voters use in much higher proportions than anyone else. So the turkeys are voting for Christmas. It makes no sense.
Plus young people are slowly but surely going to become the largest single voting demographic, taking over from pensioners and I can't see them going Tory, after everything they've done to them. Yet they look to be going for a majority.
Polls also show Brexit is bit the biggest feature of the GE for voters and yet the Tories lead.
no deal is still a possibility as Johnson will not rule it out
While BoJo doesn't even have a passing relationship with the truth and Manifestos arent truly binding, he has apparently stated in it that there will be no no deal brexit under the Tories.
JP
Momenteum does not drive labour – thats one of the tory press lies
What sort of thing are you afraid of? I bet its again tory lies
OK - let's give you a couple (there are plenty): my wife is the registrar of an independent school. Labour have already said that they plan to make life hard for this type of school. Regardless of how far they take this, with the exception of a few of the more famous schools, most public schools aren't rolling in money, and even small changes, such as those to their charitable status, would have disastrous consequences.
Labour also plans to raise corporation tax significantly, which is moronic. Most small businesses are not rolling in money, and suddenly having to give an extra 7% to HMRC could easily make them non-viable.
JP
Labour have already said that they plan to make life hard for independent school. Regardless of how far they take this, with the exception of a few of the more famous schools, most public schools aren’t rolling in money, and even small changes, such as those to their charitable status, would have disastrous consequences.
In what way? Will there be large groups of kids with no schools to go to, or will those schools be government funded? If the "charities" behind schools can pay grotesque amounts to the people running them while doing the bare minimum and sometimes not even that to qualify as a charity, except on paper, is putting them out of business such a bad thing? Let's at least agree that under the Tories schools have become commodities and made profits in various ways for the people operating them and that that is a bad thing for education.
On the independent schools - its high time they paid their way - all they have to do if costs increase and they lose their mostly undeserved charitable status is to put the fees up. I would also make them pay the government for the training of the teachers they take out of the general pool
corporation tax? IIRC they did state there would be transitional help for small businesses - and of course staying in the EU will be a huge boon for small businesses.
of course staying in the EU will be a huge boon for small businesses
True. Is that Labour policy now?
Just has my first red leaflet through the door, and it doesn’t mention the EU or Brexit once.
Once again. Labour policy is a second referendum in all cases. If they have the opportunity they will seek a deal with a much closer relationship with the EU and put that to a referendum.
So, it’s not Labour policy to stay in the EU, despite that being a “boon for small businesses”?
I mean, I’m voting Labour, but what are they really offering to win over the small business owner, and their employees, worried about rising taxes (which I support and think are necessary) under a Labour government? Throwing them a bigger bone as regards staying in the EU would be welcome, wouldn’t it.
Here’s a question
If the Brexit Party is essentially not a political party, but a business, and now the man-frog isn’t standing himself but is more a CEO, do the rules around election expenditure etc apply to him?
Or can he just go out there and say what he likes, without proper legal scrutiny, like they did in the referendum as he wasn’t heading the official leave campaign?
Looks like they could be an absolute nightmare for the Tory’s. Having Farage out there banging on and on about ‘Boris’s surrender bill’
There’s a certain delicious irony in Dom and Dommer, having used Farage and Banks and co as unofficial outriders during the referendum campaign, now being on the receiving end of their same dodgy practices
jjprestidge
Member
Labour also plans to raise corporation tax significantly, which is moronic. Most small businesses are not rolling in money
Most small businesses don't pay corporation tax
According to media reports, the Manifesto says a no deal brexit is no longer a possibility.
Are manifestos published yet?
tjagain
Member
On the independent schools – its high time they paid their way – all they have to do if costs increase and they lose their mostly undeserved charitable status is to put the fees up. I would also make them pay the government for the training of the teachers they take out of the general pool
corporation tax? IIRC they did state there would be transitional help for small businesses – and of course staying in the EU will be a huge boon for small businesses.
Sorry, but your answers show complete ignorance about the financial implications of both of these policies.
I really don't think you have any understanding of how independent schools operate. They can't simply increase their fees because they will experience significantly decreased demand. Most independent schools aren't busting at the seams with billionaire's kids; the majority of students are from relatively modest backgrounds, so even small fee increases would result in many parents transferring their kids to the state sector. I think that you and the other class warriors on here are conflating Eton and the sector.
As for corporation tax, your reply is a complete joke. I don't want some pathetic transition help, followed by a massive hike in what I'm paying in corp tax - I want an environment that encourages entrepreneurs, not discourages them.
This is the first time in my 27 years of voting that I will not even consider voting for Labour. I don't want that to be the case.
JP
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jjprestidge
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Labour also plans to raise corporation tax significantly, which is moronic. Most small businesses are not rolling in money
Most small businesses don’t pay corporation tax
Source? Otherwise I'm calling that out as BS (knowing what we pay in corp tax as a business with 3 employees).
JP
jjprestidge
Member
Labour also plans to raise corporation tax significantly, which is moronic. Most small businesses are not rolling in money
They are suggesting an increase to 26%
This is still lower than a decade ago.
It's still far lower than it was under Thatcher.
These really aren't radical policies.
In what way? Will there be large groups of kids with no schools to go to, or will those schools be government funded? If the “charities” behind schools can pay grotesque amounts to the people running them while doing the bare minimum and sometimes not even that to qualify as a charity, except on paper, is putting them out of business such a bad thing? Let’s at least agree that under the Tories schools have become commodities and made profits in various ways for the people operating them and that that is a bad thing for education.
Do you have any experience of the independent sector or are you just basing your opinions on what you read in the Socialist Worker?
JP
jjprestidge
Member
Labour also plans to raise corporation tax significantly, which is moronic. Most small businesses are not rolling in money
They are suggesting an increase to 26%
This is still lower than a decade ago.
It’s still far lower than it was under Thatcher.
These really aren’t radical policies.
Not radical but still moronic. Have you ever thought what would happen to profits if corporation tax were reduced?
JP
Not radical but still moronic. Have you ever thought what would happen to profits if corporation tax were reduced?
I don't need to imagine, i can remember back to 2005 when it was 30%
The sky did not fall.
Do you have any experience of the independent sector or are you just basing your opinions on what you read in the Socialist Worker?
Do you or are you basing everything on what your wife tells you based on her sample of ...... One?
jjprestidge
Member
Source? Otherwise I’m calling that out as BS (knowing what we pay in corp tax as a business with 3 employees).
Simple enough, 2/3ds of all small and medium sized businesses are sole traders or partnerships, neither pay corporation tax.
Have you ever thought what would happen to profits if corporation tax were reduced?
They would avoid being taxed, just as they are now. Low tax regimes reward low productivity sectors. They don't help anyone, no matter what corporate mouthpieces say.
OK – let’s give you a couple (there are plenty): my wife is the registrar of an independent school. Labour have already said that they plan to make life hard for this type of school. Regardless of how far they take this, with the exception of a few of the more famous schools, most public schools aren’t rolling in money, and even small changes, such as those to their charitable status, would have disastrous consequences.
Yeah, there are/were three private schools I'm aware of in my area. One went bust two years ago, the other two were hoping to pick up more pupils over that - neither did and both made redundancies this summer and last.
People can say "Good, they should all close" but these jobs are that rare and precious thing - service jobs that can't be outsourced to Romania or China. Plus the amount of trades work keeping these old buildings up and running. Plus the kids of staff get seriously discounted education which saves the state money.
Doing provide employment and educate children at no cost to the state seems unwise to me.
Labour also plans to raise corporation tax significantly, which is moronic. Most small businesses are not rolling in money
....and it's really easy to headquarter elsewhere and avoid it all together. Often you need two or three FTEs in the country and to hold board meetings locally. Just pick somewhere Easyjet serves for day trips for monthly board meetings, make three UK admin staff redundant and hire three in your new HQ country and you're done. The rest of your business remains totally unaffected. On the industrial estate I work on about half the firms are headquartered abroad now. These aren't blue chip companies, just SMEs nobody's every heard of. Countries didn't need competitive tax rates in 1950. They do now.
Not that many people will be looking past Labour's Brexit policy and compared to that omnishambles reducing white collar jobs in education and chasing companies abroad seems small beer.
People can say “Good, they should all close” but these jobs are that rare and precious thing – service jobs that can’t be outsourced to Romania or China.
The kids needing an education wouldn't just disappear, though. They'd still need schools and teachers. So the jobs wouldn't disappear, they'd just change employer from independent to state.
This is still lower than a decade ago.
It’s still far lower than it was under Thatcher.
These really aren’t radical policies.
Raising Corporation tax when everyone else is busy lowering it seems pretty radical to me. If you were an ice cream seller and you and all the other ice cream sellers have been dropping their prices for 15 years raising yours to levels from 10 years back strikes me as bit of a bold move!
In "A Journey" Tony Blair writes about Corporation Tax and the importance of keeping it competitive. It was completely un-competitive in the UK up to around 2008 while everyone else was slashing theirs.
The kids needing an education wouldn’t just disappear, though. They’d still need schools and teachers. So the jobs wouldn’t disappear, they’d just change employer from independent to state.
Assuming the state sector employs as many people per pupil as the private sector then yes. ...that also assumes that every single privately educated kid will transfer to a state school overnight. In my area that will probably be the case but wealthier kids and boarders will just end up in international schools abroad so they will be lost to the sector all together.
Of course those jobs that remain will now be funded by you and I rather than the parents. Not every voter will be wildly enthusiastic about that.
If you were an ice cream seller and you and all the other ice cream sellers have been dropping their prices for 15 years raising yours to levels from 10 years back strikes me as bit of a bold move!
It's not as simple as this though is it?
Funds from corporation tax are then reinvested back into the country in many ways, such as transport/infrastructure (to move your ice creams to the customer), education (so people have the talent to create better ice creams than your competitor), income support (to enable you to have as many customers as possible) and healthcare (to ensue both the ice cream staff and customers are fit and well to work and buy)
By the logic that lower is better, then 0 is best. This tax deficit would need to be balanced elsewhere.
If you were an ice cream seller and you and all the other ice cream sellers have been dropping their prices for 15 years raising yours to levels from 10 years back strikes me as bit of a bold move!
It’s not as simple as this though is it?
I suspect it is. If the market rate has dropped for 15 years in a row, raising you prices is radical. Might turn out to be correct but it's still radical.
Sorry JP but the private schools one you will never get me to agree. Its nothing about class war. Its simply that I see no reason why the general taxpayer should make such huge subsidies to private schools when this damages everyone!
However this has been done to death on here. Lets leave it as that.
I suspect it is. If the market rate has dropped for 15 years in a row, raising you prices is radical. Might turn out to be correct but it’s still radical.
You kind of ignored my second paragraph.
If the market rate for ice creams has dropped, but you produce the best ice creams and can deliver them faster than the competition, you can still have more customer appeal.
Companies do not work in a vacuum. They rely on society and infrastructure around them. This is all influenced by governments ability to invest in them.
Of course those jobs that remain will now be funded by you and I rather than the parents. Not every voter will be wildly enthusiastic about that.
Errmmm - we funded the training of those teachers and they are lost to the general public so we get those assets back and also we are no longer paying a huge subsidy to those private schools so overall it will cost the general taxpayer very little
Most small businesses are not rolling in money, and suddenly having to give an extra 7% to HMRC could easily make them non-viable.
Why do you assume they would suddenly slam the rates up with no cushioning at all?
And corporation tax is paid on profit as I'm sure you know. Are you really making that much profit? If you are paying wages for you and your staff then you wouldn't be affected. Likewise if you are reinvesting in your business.
If on the other hand you are making profit and paying yourself bonuses and dividends then you will be affected. But this is a tax dodge for small businesses isn't it?
You can look at the front benches of both main party’s and safely assume that not a single one of them has the first ****ing clue how business actually operates
If the market rate for ice creams has dropped, but you produce the best ice creams and can deliver them faster than the competition, you can still have more customer appeal.
Companies do not work in a vacuum. They rely on society and infrastructure around them.
They rely on the society and infrastructure around the places their operations are. When we're talking about corporation tax we're just talking about where the company chooses to put its HQ and pay its corporation tax. They only need an address, 2/3 FTEs there, an airport and somewhere to have a board meeting once a month. When it comes to where you pay corporation tax I fear ice cream is (unfortunately) a commodity that carries little premium for quality. Anyway, lets hope all the other countries have it wrong and reverting Corporation Tax to previous levels turns out to be a masterstroke all the other countries failed to spot.
overall it will cost the general taxpayer very little
We don't need to use terms like 'little' we can quantify it. It'll cost the tax payer 4-6k per additional state school pupil per year forever, plus whatever up front fixed costs are re-required. Fixed costs: Remember how easy it was to nationalise railways because the stock and infrastructure was so knackered that the owners couldn't wait to get rid of it an dump the nightmare of modernising on the state? I suspect private schools are the same. The private sector has a ton of completely unsuitable (often listed) decrepit buildings that are crippling to to maintain or replace. Often out in the sticks. I'm not sure the state really wants to take this problem on.
Tory candidate wrote people on Benefits Street should be 'put down'
Tory candidate in an area of high benefit usage....... Dumbass
Having been involved in committees as a cross-industry rep trying to help shape Government policy on a number of issues, including working with civil servants and select committees I have little hope - regardless of the hue of Government, the complete lack of understanding of business in Whitehall is despairing.
If on the other hand you are making profit and paying yourself bonuses and dividends then you will be affected.
So the plan is to move businesses that make a profit elsewhere, and encourage businesses that don't make a profit to stay in the Uk. ...and that's not radical.