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Glad Guscott hasn't turned into Andrew Robson.
Nicol must be just a bairn! Scotland and the All Blacks used to be the masters of fast aggressive rucking. You didn't want to lie on the ball in front othe tiers forwards in the 'old days!! 😉 made for nice fast rugby too
Bear you come on a thread complaining that everyone isnt being nice and then with the next post you say how welsh supporters grate and you wonder,.... is it just a massive lack of self awareness?
teamhurtmore - Member
Good post bear and your right about what England are trying to do and the intolerance - tried a separate thread to counter but it died.
You utter hypocrite,you were banned for your inability to stop referring to Scots as Sweaties. When called out about it,you suggested a sense of humour was required ( that's a quote BTW)
Some learn from (perceived) mistakes, meanwhile.....
1NT....pass....?
Bear, you can always resurrect the other thread. It had a nice feel to it!
Internationals are a great way to bring in new supporters and we should be more accommodating of them, it's not an exclusive club. New supporters should be encouraged and not discouraged with snobbery.
EDIT: It looks like Bear has previous on this matter.
Oh,so using racist terms is a perceived mistake? And your "meanwhile'comment..show me where I have EVER used a term like the one you use on every single thread on Scotland...until they banned you of course and your learnt your lesson.
Agreed captain - why complain at people watching a great game. Now if we can get some quality rugby too and a little less whistle
And bear has brought the old anagallis back. Well done that man.
He's just bitter because he found out this week that he's been tackling incorrectly for years. 😉 😆
AA, maybe, my perception is that the Welsh English rivalry is stronger than the others. Do you have the same feelings toward other teams when you play them?
Probably because Wales has such a strong rugby heritage and are a proud nation their supporters are very patriotic, far more so than England probably.
Once again apologies if I offend, that is not the purpose of my posts, far from it.
I've played a lot of sport and made many friends through playing and watching, some were bitter rivals on the field but once you get to know them by sharing a drink post match you realise that you are all very similar. I suppose that I'm trying to get past the rivalry, but not doing a very good job of it.
Bear, you can always resurrect the other thread. It had a nice feel to it!
ME ME LOOK AT ME!!
Bear you havent offended me I just fail to grasp how you can say onething on one post and then the opposite on the next and then fail to understand why people think your posts grate.
Still its not as good as the irish times is not a national paper on the last page!
He's just bitter because he found out this week that he's been tackling incorrectly for years
Havent tackled anything more dangerous than a full english in years!
my posts didn't come across as I intended so I'm going back to read only, carry on as normal........
I kind of get pigface's attitude. In some areas, I reckon english rugby is quite a difficult thing to like. The tweed, the hunter wellies, the posh hamper of scran in the twickers car park. I get it. Here in some of the west country (excluding bath obv), the rugby playing and supporting demograph is far more like that of South wales, I find the whole posh ****er thing a bit shit too which is why I ignore it.
All said and done, it's just about 30 blokes knocking lumps out of each other with a ball for our amusement. Hating those who do so is odd.
I kind of get pigface's attitude. In some areas, I reckon english rugby is quite a difficult thing to like.
It's easy to understand pigface's point of view, he's Welsh. You should get it totally, it's not hard. 😀
Not sure what some people are seeing in this thread. All fans seem to be appreciating their team is a bit sh1t and the standard of rugby hasn't been high. England draw a lot of discussion as they are one of the few NH teams with the potential for genuinely posing a challenge to the SH sides.
As an Englishman living all my adult life in South Wales I identify far more with the "average" Welsh fan through the passion for rugby there is in the area. The subtle difference is that even in the not very Welsh part of Wales that is the South, supporters are generally rugby fans first and foremost and Welsh fans second. Sure there is passion for the national side but not the hate against other nations that most non-Welsh (English?) seem to think there is. When England had their more dominant run (especially the WC's) every single person in the Welsh bars was cheering for a NH win. As I said, South Wales may not be the best representation of Wales as a whole but from my perspective at least the discussions around England aren't out of hatred or trying to constantly pick holes, it is just contributing to a discussion of how you get the powerhouse of the NH with the most potential challenging the SH sides fulfilling all that potential as it is all we have in this part of the world in terms of hope 🙂
The supporters who grate on me are the ones who turn up for 6 weeks every year and pretend to be experts based on what the rugby section of the Telegraph says.
I played for 25 years and I'm pretty sure I'm only just starting to understand the game. As for the rules, just when I get used to them they change. And don't get me started on crossing in the 3/4s, handling in the rucks, feeding in the scrums and allowing lifting in the line outs. And didn't scrums used to involve a higher pushing to falling down ratio?
THM - the All Blacks and the Scots old style rucking? Brings a smile to my face just thinking about it. Hands on the ball when you shouldn't? Broken wrist. Lying over? Broken ribs. Self refereeing they were, just let them get in with it.
England draw a lot of discussion as they are one of the few NH teams with the potential for genuinely posing a challenge to the SH sides
Not unless they move on from 10 man rugby. Live a little, develop some flair, some artistry. When they started off loading before contact against the Aussies they looked good, moving the point of attack constantly and confusing the Aussie defence - but they didn't keep it up. And Farrell embarrassed himself and got binned. The English have the players I think but they are building a team around 6 Nations success at the moment. (Of course, I'd happily settle for 6 Nations success)
Good old days IGM - fast, aggressive rucking rugby was a joy to watch. The modern ruck and maul (especially the [s]blatant obstruction[/s] rolling maul) are v dull in comparison. You cant even collapse it any more 😉 - that soon stopped the travesty even if you did get trampled on (if you didn't quite get it right)
Yes do you remember how in some games the scrum half just kind of advanced at a fast walk flicking the ball up left or right to a galloping forward again and again.
And the five yards and pop to the open side as you're hit that Scotland just about perfected in 1984? Long diagonal lines of dead bodies up and across the pitch. Fantastic.
I'd love to "see their like again" - here's hoping
When England had their more dominant run (especially the WC[s]'s[/s]) every single person in the Welsh bars was cheering for a NH win
But yes I was screaming with delight when St Johnnie did his drop goal thing.
England had a better run that the rest of us the next time round too let's not forget. The reaction to Wilkinson's drop goal in a Welsh bar was indeed mental 🙂
And don't get me started on crossing in the 3/4s
Aaaaaaaarrrrgh! That does my head in! Anyone hanging about in midfield ahead of the back line is obstructing - penalize them.
England had a better run that the rest of us the next time round too let's not forget.
How could we Cueto still hasnt stopped whining!!
My pet hate with rugby currently is the scrum. Refs say if you keep ****ing anout I'm going to award pens. THATS WHAT THEY WANT YOU DAFT ****. Stop awarding pens and all the ****ing about will stop.
Scotland have disappointed me the most as at the WC they seemed to have finally made some progress but have failed to bring that to the 6N.
People especially the media keep saying this, but Scotland were nothing special at the world cup. One good game against a complacent and half disinterested Australia does not suddenly make you good.
Wales were the best NH team at the world cup; very, very closely followed by England and funnily enough only 4 months later they'll be contesting the 6N title.
You can't stop crossig in the midfield as the SH would have a hissy fit.
People especially the media keep saying this, but Scotland were nothing special at the world cup. One good game against a complacent and half disinterested Australia does not suddenly make you good.
How do you judge special or successful? They scored more points and tries than any other home Nation, got the equal furthest in the tournament, made massive leaps compared to the rugby they've played in recent years... and they must have set some sort of record for number of intercept tries 😀
Stop awarding pens and all the **** about will stop.
Amen!
Also, it would stop the utterly irritating habit of backs sprinting the length of the pitch to congratulate the front row for winning a penalty. If I was a coach, I'd kick anyone who did that. Hard. And several times.
The problem is any scrum that gets driven back is penalised as its impossible to stay bound and straight with your head being shoved up your arse so they mightvas well drop it as soon as the pressure comes on.
Good point C'pn and the last thing you want as a front row forward is a pretty boy in his clean shirt and shorts coming and patting you on the head. They can have the headlines for putting the ball down - leave the real men alone 😉
would stop the utterly irritating habit of backs sprinting the length of the pitch to congratulate the front row for winning a penalty
Easy rule change. Any player congratulating team mates for winning a penalty shall result in an immediate scrum with the congratulating player exchanging positions with the player congratulated. Put in to the non-congratulating side.
Mike Brown at hooker and Dylan at full back anyone.
Horrible practice congratulating penalty awards if you think about it. It makes it seem like the team achieved a goal, as if they were playing for a penalty, and that's akin to diving. Perhaps even a yellow is in order - but seeing Brown in a front row would be funnier.
What irritates me is following a collapsed scrum I can make a cup of tea before it resets, get a move on fat lads
as if they were playing for a penalty,
[b]as if[/b]? I thought it was blatantly obvious they are playing for a penalty half the time?
The one that boils my piss is the subs who just happen to be behind the oppo line piling into scorers. Or " entering the field of play without informing a match official."
Still its not as good as the irish times is not a national paper on the last page!
I think you probably know what I meant and are just being an arse for the sake of it. Irish Indy btw - if the circulation is the same as the UK Indy then it gets read by no-one.
think you probably know what I meant and are just being an arse for the sake of it. Irish Indy btw - if the circulation is the same as the UK Indy then it gets read by no-one.
Nice to see you come out swinging keep digging fella!
I'm pretty sure everyone knows what you meant by it dont worry about that!
Horrible practice congratulating penalty awards if you think about it.
Indeed - applauding the ref for giving your side a decision is equally distasteful.
Lots of these things surely fall under "ungentlemanly conduct" or whatever it's called in the rules?
In some areas, I reckon english rugby is quite a difficult thing to like. The tweed, the hunter wellies, the posh hamper of scran in the twickers car park. I get it.
Do you realise how difficult it is to get a ticket for the West Car Park nowadays now there are a load of bars for the general public? The Cardinal Vaughn is social death.
Do you realise how difficult it is to get a ticket for the West Car Park nowadays now there are a load of bars for the general public? The Cardinal Vaughn is social death.
Fantastic 😀
There is nothing posh about eating in a car park on a February day. Funny isn't it how bbq-ing game is okay at Newlands but Twickenham is too posh. Too many chips on shoulders I think.
Funny isn't it how bbq-ing game is okay at Newlands but Twickenham is too posh.
To be fair, it is against the rules to bbq at Twickenham.
Too many chips on shoulders I think.
Jamba. A pretty good friend of mine (likely the poshest friend I have) put some piccies up of the west stand car park the weekend. They were head to foot in tweed, sipping fizzy wine and cutting up bits of very expensive looking beef to put with very expensive looking cheese in very expensive looking bread in the back of a Range rover. I may not be the best judge of posh, but it looked pretty bloody posh to me.
Don't think you can get chips in the West car park, maybe sweet potato briquettes or somesuch 😆
Fizzy wine - how common 😉
A nice Pulingy-Montrachet with the salmon, some claret or even TEA with the beef and melton mowbries and a quick nip of port with the cheese. What a wonderful way to start the afternoon
(a dream of course, as never has a CP ticket or the required R Rover!)
Back in the 80s we did have a work "tent" in the CP serving bacon rolls and beer. Avoided the lengthy hospitality (and clichéd coronation chicken) and was very popular.
A lot of the West car park tickets go to sponsors now, we used a get one because a friend's father played for England but, for other car parks they are not that difficult to get, a friend gets one just by applying. The scarce resource is someone who is willing not to drink or to give up his Sunday morning to pick up his car.
applauding the ref for giving your side a decision is equally distasteful.
Can't see the big deal myself, this is pro sport, the amateur era ended 20 years ago.
Can't see the big deal myself, this is pro sport, the amateur era ended 20 years ago.
Manly congratulations like a solid pat on the back or firm handshake are of course ok 😉 Whoever it was in the English pack squeaking like a two year old with every scrum penalty needs the pen reversed + 10 meters... could have been a decent reception on the refs mic picking up the incoming Brown I suppose as it wasn't a noise I'd expect from a forward 🙂
Easy rule change. Any player congratulating team mates for winning a penalty shall result in an immediate scrum with the congratulating player exchanging positions with the player congratulated. Put in to the non-congratulating side.
Brilliant!
CaptainFlashheart - MemberEasy rule change. Any player congratulating team mates for winning a penalty shall result in an immediate scrum with the congratulating player exchanging positions with the player congratulated. Put in to the non-congratulating side.Brilliant!
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It falls down in that glory hunting back rowers would be fighting to congratulate the 10 after a penalty for even something like a dropped scrum. May as well cut out the middle Man "Today at 10 for Exeter,Thomas Waldrom."
Actually thinking about it, if far enough ahead I could see the entire front row sprinting after Brown to congratulate him after the pack won a penalty. 8)
EDIT: "sprinting"-ish
Manly congratulations like a solid pat on the back or firm handshake are of course ok Whoever it was in the English pack squeaking like a two year old with every scrum penalty needs the pen reversed + 10 meters... could have been a decent reception on the refs mic picking up the incoming Brown I suppose as it wasn't a noise I'd expect from a forward
Just made me laugh a lot.
Chapeau sir
Hopefully he'll be cited and receive a lengthy ban. I don't care whether he's innocent or not - I just don't like him.
this'll upset you then 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
Great stuff. Hope he has a great game against wales.
Is the correct answer.
Great stuff. Hope he has a great game against Wales.
Sam Warburton is looking forward to the game too. 😀
IMO, he [Brown] was lucky to have escaped yellow during the game but there wasn't enough there for a citing.
(As for the Irish Independent article, it's just one article by someone who's pretty sore about it. Despite it suiting the agendas of some posters, please don't attribute a similar opinion to a whole nation of supporters. Plenty I've spoken to are as "un-disappointed" with that result as they could be - given that losing has to incur at least [i]some[/i] disappointment. I think everybody in Ireland was also a bit riled about the General Election held there a few days previous anyway...you think the election here was a bit bitter? 😆 )
Sam Warburton is looking forward to the game too.
Somehow I doubt Mr Brown is concerned.
Somehow I doubt Mr Brown is concerned.
Like he (and his three mates) wasn't bothered before? 😆 I love the image when he realised he'd bitten off more than he could chew, but I'm sure you'll say that he wasn't crapping his pants. #HardAsPutty
Like he (and his three mates) wasn't bothered before?
Well they weren't, quite clearly, as Mike was being Mike and not giving an inch, so yes it is exactly like that.
but I'm sure you'll say that he was crapping his pants.
Nobody was crapping their pants, certainly not Mike. I have no idea what you were watching.
What about his parents?
[Good points DD - interesting how little coverage and analysis the result had over here. Fascinating stuff not least for "big" political parties everywhere]
[Belongs on another thread thm, but you have to bear in mind that the STV PR system allows the electorate to give the big boys a kicking when they feel like it and after the last decade or so, boy do they feel like it. 😀 ]
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DD - I think most of us on here a wise enough to distinguish between banter and hatred. I really enjoyed watching the game as the sole englishman in an American Irish bar. The atmosphere/craic was brilliant, and there was very little "one eyed" spectating. There were deep intakes of breath whenever Billy got on the ball, reminiscent of Lomu all those years ago - not that he's in that class yet.
I do think its sad that England are getting a slagging after performing well above expectations this year so far. Scotland were favourites for the opening game.
Yeah looks petrified doesn't he? 🙄
I think most of us on here a wise enough to distinguish between banter and hatred
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Has someone photoshoped Tango Gav into that photo?
You would think that pros would be smart enough not to get involved too much, but was interesting to hear St Johnny admitting that he went looking for retribution and then Sir Clive noting that he had bollocked him for trying to get Betson!!
Yeah looks petrified, doesn't he?
I can't find the image where his eyes are like saucers the moment just before letting go. But yeah, he backed off. 😉
But yeah, he backed off.
What? It dissolved, as all handbags in (high level) modern rugby do. Why on earth would he be worried? Warbs isn't an aggressive/dirty or particularly scary player and the chances of it coming to blows are non-existent but never mind, you carry on trying to score cheap points based on something that didn't happen.
wrecker - Member
But yeah, he backed off.but never mind, you carry on trying to score cheap points based on something that didn't happen
While you enjoy some sort of moral high ground I presume? 🙄
What do you want?
IMO, he [Brown] was lucky to have escaped yellow during the game but there wasn't enough there for a citing.
I agree and if Care hadnt got a yellow I reckon Brown would have done. Not red though imo.
Say what you like Wrecker but once Sam turned round to see who was tugging at his shirt Brown was back pedalling like crazy till his mates showed up! He then tried to start on Gethin which is even funnier! Wonder what Gethin said to him!
Still it all worked out nice in the end when Brown lost the game for his team!
Should have been a scrum to wales too as Wood knocked on!
Brown was back pedalling like crazy till his mates showed up!
3 vs 1 in a pushing contest and he still wasn't backing down. Bloody dreadful tackle too.
Ref seemed to think it was fine. Still Lydiate was kicking people in the head so he obviously wont get your approval he should clearly not take a step back like Brown!
Tough day
And next week we have the rematch! Excited?
You don't get vacuous pantomime banter like this in the West car park.
And next week we have the rematch! Excited?
[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/2015-16-rugby-world-cup-year/page/151#post-7543267 ]Apparently we are, but it was mentioned a while back before going on a little detour.[/url] 😛 🙄
Yeah, someone finally got what they wanted. Sorry about that.
Anyway, I reckon wales by 7 but happy to have the traditional £10 charity bet if you're on?
I just hope there are no more dreadful press conferences from either side that come back to bite the team in the arse...
[insert Burgess dumbarsery here]
People here seem to need a distraction from the reality that a so-so England where far too good for Ireland
On a much more serius note here is a piece from a team mate of Lomu's regarding supplements they where given. Perhaps most telling is a denial from the team doctor.
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/newzealand/12177904/Jonah-Lomus-former-team-mate-believes-use-of-creatine-may-have-contributed-to-his-death.html ]Telegrapgh Story[/url]
As a neutral brown -v- warburton was one of the funniest things I've seen in ages.
Warbs isn't an aggressive/dirty... player
Agreed and while my suspicion is that brown is warburton appeared to be chuckling too most of the way through that. Meanwhile the England forwards collectively saw who it was and half heartedly stood around - I wonder how many of them were secretly thinking "now Mike's going to get what he deserves. Please".
People here seem to need a distraction from the reality that a so-so England where far too good for Ireland
If only you could stick to posting bollocks on politics threads, but no, you just can't help yourself. 🙁