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That's 80 minutes of my life wasted, what a terrible game...France were woeful. They have no idea and luck clueless other than trucking it up through the big lads. Wales didn't look great, but I thought Willisms looked good at fullback.
Some of what EJ has said had very much been taken out of context by the press when you see videos. Targeting a 10....who'd have thought of that? I quite like sine of the guff that he spouts especially when the press go nuts for it. He knows what he's doing. His attitude to the press interviewing Itoje is interesting and no bad thing given how they love yo build players up and then smash them apart.
Don't understand Barnes he used to be OK but tonight was just bad. Wales lucky not to be down to 14. To aid there were two incidents, we/he only looks at one.
@aa well you must have a very good memory as that era was 10 or more years ago.
One of those games where the pre-match beers where a highlght and the day peaked at the National Anthems.
Well, Eng v Ire had better be a good game. I'm in Seattle, and it's a 9AM start, with a $20 cover charge at the Irish bar. I've had to abandon my bike ride due to the early start, and I can't drink as I'm flying home tomorrow night.
@aa well you must have a very good memory as that era was 10 or more years ago.
Growing up in the 80's and 90's I got a lot of opportunities to watch Wales lose to France.
We didnt all startvwatching rugby in 2003 you know!!
Growing up in the 70s I got lots of opportunities to watch Wales win everything and thrash England all the time 😉
The silver lining was having a welsh international coach our team in those days. He even bought Jeff Squire a long with his new automatic scrum machine, which hurt like hell when you were only a school front row!!!
Now where are all the mini-clips of head rolls and yellow card incidents this morning!! 😉
Dan, early morning eyes, so read Seattle as Settle which made it all rather surreal!! 😀
James O'Connor rumoured to have suffered a heart attack after a game!
Some Facebook comment or tweet from him along the lines of 'no heart attack, just exhaustion' everything's fine'.
Lydiate's chop tackle is really just trying to break ankle with a shoulder.
French captain should have been man of the match he had a great game.
Lydiate's chop tackle is really just trying to break ankle with a shoulder.
****ing hell have you ever played the game? Its how I wasvtaught to tackle when I was 10.
Meanwhile in other news Peter Pan resigns for Sale.
Somebody said for years you hoped somebody would "stiff arm" Stringer but I find him far less annoying know when viewed from the South Stand 🙂
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35660302 ]Peter Stringer [/url]
Massive mistake by Bath letting him go. He's still excellent, fair play to him!
**** hell have you ever played the game? Its how I wasvtaught to tackle when I was 10.
How bizarre, most people are taught shoulder to hip, and slide the arms down.
a_a yep no one was ever taught that for all sorts of reasons.
Well I was taught to take them as low as possible. Have we seen any injuries from tackling low? Much better than hiiting as hard as possible in the chest. What the hell do you want the game to look like if a good low tackle is illegal you bunch of pansies
We were always taught to tackle thighs at Minis unless there's a Megafatty on the other team in which case ankles. Nothing crazy there.
Watch any team defend their try line. One player goes so low they are either crawling on the floor or rolling in to the attacker while others go high to dominate the tackle. See how many arms get wrapped in that kind of scenario. It is day in day out tactics (whether legal or not).
Granted Lydiate's was a bit blatant and he should have made more attempt to tackle but he is far from the only one tackling super low.
Surfer - its a pleasure watching Stringer 😀 the South Stand, I'm on my way there now. Just hoping last week's game was a blip and we're not going to get humped halfway to Wigan...
Well, Eng v Ire had better be a good game. I'm in Seattle, and it's a 9AM start, with a $20 cover charge at the Irish bar. I've had to abandon my bike ride due to the early start, and I can't drink as I'm flying home tomorrow night.
I can't see it if I'm honest; it's going to be attritional...like the 6N so far really. Everyone trying not to loose.
The Six Nations tag line should be "the long slog to prove who is the least sh1t team in the NH"
It has been bloody awful to watch so far. I did like Brian moore and jiffy complaining about how crap a spectacle it was. Even more pointed as Brian moore was always a major proponent of stuff it up your jumper rugby
dantsw13 - Member
Well, Eng v Ire had better be a good game. I'm in Seattle, and it's a 9AM start, with a $20 cover charge
Once you muscle past the gag reflex and ignore the breaking of social convention, 9am is a perfectly OK time to drink.
Almost noon and no predictions? Poor show!
England by 7-10,Ireland are probably calling up Connacht players,they are so short.
A penalty to decide who has a new stirring implement in the "weaker teams" match,either way,Italy to get the usual two try start in first 15 mins.
Eng V Ire I'd say a neutral 1st half possibly with Ireland 3 up at 40 mins, then England to come back and win by 10 in the 2nd half.
Billy V & Itoje to have a huge game, Farrell to get pinged for going direct & late on Sexton
Scotland to be more dire than they have been but to scrape through by 6-10.
Whats-his-face to laugh smugly at the 6N again and claim the AB's would play them all of the face of the earth. Although, he's probably right.
The bloody [i]Brumbies[/i] would play them all off the park, let alone the ABs
Scratch that - the Highlanders! 😛
Duckman - whilst I'd happily sup a nice local pale ale over breakfast, I'd better not as I'm actually flying the plane home tonight 😀
Predictions - I think Sco-Ita could be a great game - Scotland by 15 for me.
Eng - Ire. A kick and smash first half, 2-3 pens a piece at halftime. Second half to open up, Jamie George to score the winner for England.
It really is sleepless here in Seattle - awake since 2 AM and Lowells doesn't open for breakfast until 6, so I'll be talking s@@t on the Internet for a few hours yet!
Following my slating of George Ford, I predict that he'll play and absolute beauty of a game purely to spite me 😀
Granted Lydiate's was a bit blatant and he should have made more attempt to tackle but he is far from the only one tackling super low.
True it was a pen as no arms, seemed like a technical offence rather than dangerous though. The one he got the card for last friday was worse but it seems to me people are trying to jump him and so he cant grab the legs which is illegal too. The incident in the world cup game when Brown shit out trying to rage at captain Sam was similar. The player being tackled tried to jump the tackle and that made things worse.
dantsw13 - Member
Duckman - whilst I'd happily sup a nice local pale ale over breakfast, I'd better not as I'm actually flying the plane home tonight
Bloody health and safety gone mad.
Wooden spoon decider about to kick off, come on Italy!!!
@aa a "technical" offense 5m from your line ? I was a bit surprised it wasn't a yellow tbh, looked pretty cynical to me.
Off to pub to watch England Ireland, will be a different atmosphere Paris v Southampton 😉 Bloody freezing here too !
Who was asking about Hogg?
Who is the team scoring tries?
One for the refs... Was that really taken back in to the 22? Feet in the 22 and reaching over to pick up the ball. If you catch the ball with a foot in touch then it's out of play and if you have a foot over the try line and dot it down then it's a 22 dropout non? So why not for the "carried back in to the 22" law or did the officials just get it wrong?
I think the officials got it wrong.
Good game from a neutral perspective. I think the defence on both sides is slightly less good which allows more gainline breaks. Bit of good handling and some good tries. Better than the yawn fest last night.
Squeaky last 10 for Scotland!!
Too many changes by Italy - totally lost their shape.
****ing hell.....Scotland win a 6N's game 😯 .....and they play Italy another 3 times before the next RWC to try and beat the last win total 😆
Long time coming. Very dusty in my lounge. Some nice play, but still some schoolboy errors. I'm not complaining though!
Well done Scotland and good effort Italy - despite all the silly penalties
And no Andy Nicol, thanks ITV
Why start with sexton and whiplash story? Boring.
Good game - plenty of drama, and my first prediction accurate, so fingers crossed for my second one!
I seem to be the lone Englishman in an Irish bar, but a wardrobe malfunction sees me wearing emerald green 😯
What were the odds on an England grand slam at the start of the 6n? I don't gamble, but am curious. I assume the bookies had Ireland.
Dreadful call by the ref. That's the second dodgy pen he's given against england.
Pointless penalties - c'mon England that's stupid
Butchered by Youngs. Great work 🙄
And another - 😯
Edit: x how many. FFS
and another. get care on ffs
Following my slating of George Ford, I predict that he'll play and absolute beauty of a game purely to spite me
Looks like I was wrong. He looks lost so far.
Bored with penalties on both sides now. Two matches dominated by the bloody whistle
C'mon let's have some rugby....
Not ref fault if loads of errors from really aggressive defense. It is the way of the 6n so far. Defense on top of attack.Ireland are getting mullered in every way other than scoreboard. Can they defend like that for 80?
Well try a betting site then.
Good game. Ireland lucky to be 3 down. Big call for Poite on the non-try. Hartley was pushed over, which is far game. Try or scrum 5, never a pen to Ireland.
Ireland seem to have come to play this week. Maybe too much, getting caught behind the gain line a lot.
Ref seems alright. England lacking composure. Have they been watching Wales?
Half time team talk - "Just bloody give it to Billy!"
Doh,I must have attracted the spambot...
Go on Ireland
Accidental my arse
Brown is a **** but i do think that was unintended but incredibly stupid
Unlucky Ireland. I'd have given that
Nervous times when the most indecisive man on the pitch defends scrum half...
Brown is a lucky boy. Some good tries from england but they do look like they het tired in the last 15.
Wouldn't surprise me if the brown incident gets a citing review. Nasty gobshite. Shame foden is still not back otherwise would love to see him replaced
Good job that wasn't a full strength Ireland otherwise the stupid penalties could have cost us dear.
Two big matches of the weekend ultimately very unsatisfying.
How many penalties came from our experienced players????
Is it a nice arse BM? 😉
Still for a crap team, 3/3 aint bad !
Brown haterz going hate....very good under the high ball wasn't he!!! 😀
Cite Brown 😆
England best of the mediocre? Tbh I can't see them beating the Welsh
"Cite" is that cockney rhyming slang for Mike or autocorrect 😀
Dontvthink Brown should have been given a red but a yellow for him and Care wouldnt have been unfair. When Ireland played with tempo england struggled. Cant see Wales winning at Twickers though, they are not playing well enough. Still 2 weeks of shite from Gatland and Jones could be funny.
Brown haterz going hate....
He wasn't even looking at Murray, it was an accident.
Good job that wasn't a full strength Ireland otherwise the stupid penalties could have cost us dear.
Agreed. Farrell's defence was borderline late on occasion. However, Itoje looks like he's got 50 caps and is a menace at the breakdown. Add Clifford and that may solve a problem for England.
Ford, well meh.
In total [s]we[/s] Vunipola battered Ireland from the start, went off the boil at 60. Wales will be better and we can't afford to go in at half time level or behind them IMO.
He wasn't even looking at Murray, it was an accident
Quite.
The ref & TMO had a good look at the replay of the Brown incident and decided it was nothing. Thought the Care sin in was harsh.
2 good games today.
Great defence of Brown by the English fans. 😆
He kicked a prone player four times. But it was an accident! If he'd been Irish what colour card should he receive?
Lovely arse THM for a retired prop 😀
Eng certainly deserved the win and Billy V was excellent, he smashed Trimble who is usually a very good defender. Lots to improve on from Ireland and time to give Sexton and Kearney a rest.
So Brown wasn't looking at Murray? He was being reckless then.
Reckless and stupid yes. Deliberate no.
He is a dick though
I think reckless use of the boot should be yellow
Reckless and stupid yes.
Yellow card.
Deliberate
Red card and a ban.
Whether it was one or the other he still made repeat contact with his boot to the head of another player.
Agreed. Hence why he is a dick
Hughes recieved a ban for less.
I think Farrell get very petulant with a player on the ground at about 56 mins (beyond the ruck as the ball is moving). Probably won't get cited.
(can't post, it's just before teh try that swings out left). Doesn't affect the try but....
Brown will be shopping for biscuits as we speak. At least he has pulled ahead in the "who's a bigger dick" contest with Hogg. As for the suggestion he isn't looking at Murray,is anybody seriously suggesting he isn't aware of what he is doing?
Meh. Ireland will probably feel a few key decisions went against them but in the end [s]England[/s] Billy deserved the win. As a neutral it always looked like a game that Ireland weren't going to win even with the breaks due to the sustained pressure. It probably didn't feel like that for an English fan though I'd imagine, especially with the two binnings. Again, as a neutral, I can't say it felt like England were down to 14 either time and they seemed fairly comfortable.
Agree with a_a that despite being pretty poor I can easily see them beating Wales at home.
Though it is normally the second rows that boot people in the head being "clumsy" and get away with it, I'd still be amazed if Brown isn't cited
IdleJon - MemberHe kicked a prone player four times.
Thats the most one-eyed piece of bullshit I've ever seen on this forum - and I include my own posts - and actually its just a lie - I'd conclude you're either blind drunk or trolling
He did nothing of the sort. He contested for the ball with his boot, and made contact with his heel/Murray's face once by accident, when he couldn't even see where his face was. It may be reckless, but he didn't once deliberately kick Murray.
Very few high tackles, tip tackles, apparent eye gouges, etc, etc are deliberate but are instead reckless... doesn't mean you can do whatever you fancy
He kicked a prone player four times
Over react much?
He [i]might[/i] have connected very lightly and accidentally once, and Murray shouldn't have been holding the bloody ball anyway!
Thats the most one-eyed piece of bullshit I've ever seen on this forum
Quite right.
Brand Haskell was the lucky one, I'd say. Not supporting his weight and killing the ball right in front of the posts when the team was on warning and he'd already had a yellow. Lucky.
Agree CFH, I reckon that if Care didn't get a yellow, the hask would have.