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ncaster's finally been brave, albeit a bit late.
He's just giving everyone a game surely and its Uraguay you are playing so not that brave playing Slade.
You are forgetting that Wales can't beat OZ, it's in the IRB handbook. NMB, I don't need a thicker skin, people need to stop using racist terms.
If Wales go for it properly against Australia, Gav might end up getting a call up for the QFs. 🙂
Got to be honest AA and I don't see any binding going on 😆
Is calling me and other Welshies sheep shaggers racist or just rude?
Well I think anything can happen and there is precedent for that. Remember France in (insert year of world cup) played like donkeys all the way through then came right for the last two games.
people need to stop using racist terms.
Is "Jock" a racist term? 😯
You are forgetting that Wales can't beat OZ, it's in the IRB handbook
Wales recent record against the Aussies is far better than against SA or the AllBlacks. 2 wins and a draw for Wales over the last 10 years, hardly amazing but there is the odd win here and there.
Is "pom" a racist term ? I probably use that too much. Are there any racist terms for kiwis ? We get sheep-shagger a bit, but that's just the weird folk in the south island.
@hels Kiwi is racist as its a daft looking bird, much like half of Liverpool 😉 We where known as five-pound-poms, it never bothered me. I took mild offence to being called a pommie-b'stard but it wasn't the word pommie I took offence at
@namaste I think some people take offence to the sweaty reference implying all Scots smell, I can understand that
wales recent record against the Aussies is far better than against SA
We beat SA last november!
Beat NZ in 1489.
Why save ourselves for SA? When we could beat Aus and get Scotland or Japan? Most likely we will lose our next two games but seeing as we are in it we might as well try.
I appreciate your logic but Aus are playing better than RSA and England where much better than Wales for 70 minutes even with the wrong side. It's my 6 pence Wales have zero chance against Oz and if they try and front up they will be totally done in come the QF. Of course I also predicted England would win the group 😳
We beat SA last november!
Gah forgot that one 😳
"Thanks for your contribution,now best get back under your rock,eh?"
sorry for any offence - too many years working with the military and living and working in a robust scottish environment.
England where much better than Wales for 70 minutes even with the wrong side.
Ha ha ha, you keep telling yourself that!!! Aside from the obvious England were only 7 points ahead after 70mins. And england were laughably naive v Aus. Wales might get humped but it wont be because we play fast and loose and go wide early.
England were better than Wales for 35 mins,after that they wilted. You need to catch up, it is all about why the charge on Brown was a red card now!
Mixed feelings about the england selection. Delighted to see Slade and Care get a run, disappointed that Farrell, Youngs, Cole and Goode are in. I saw a comment about them not starting a specialist centre; barritt is the only specialist inside centre they took! A backline of care, ford, slade, JJ, may and watson with brown at Fb could have been fun. Why on earth don't they give george and brookes a proper run?
Following the worst performance by an england team in history, they still haven't learnt a thing. Dickheads.
Crackingly sparky game between Fiji and Uruguay, loving the feisty spirit in this world cup, only spoiled by Paloma killing a great song!!
Mixed feelings about the england selection.
Yeah but in the greater scheme of things it hardly matters.
That quote could be applied to all of SL's selections.
EDIT - all of AF's selections. 😉
So, who we backing now then since the weekend's events?
I'm looking for SA then NZ..
England where much better than Wales for 70 minutes even with the wrong side.
I think the game lasts for 80 minutes doesn't it?
I think Steve Hansen pointed out in the wake of his side's last gasp win against Ireland that a try scored in the last minute was worth just as much as one scored in the first.
So, who we backing now then since the weekend's events?
France, since I have £20 on them at 20/1.
If France beat Ireland, I'd quite fancy them to win it.
Yes yes of course the game lasts 80 mins but it's basic tactics and match play to close out such a game. It should have been a routine win. If Australia play as well again they will demolish Wales, they beat England with some very fine attacking play and not much we could have done tactically would have changed it. Game was already lost by the time of the Hooper / Brown incident. However well we played in the 2H Oz where not going to be held scoreless.
France are always fascinating to watch as you are never sure what side is going to turn up. Looking forward to Sunday, whoever wins is odds on to reach the semi, then who knows. For those two teams the dream is very much alive
I think France will do ireland this weekend then have a great chance of reaching the final
It should have been a routine win.
Why?
ey beat England with some very fine attacking play and not much we could have done tactically would have changed it.
No, they beat england because they destroyed you at the breakdown. Had england played tighter and kept the breakdowns closer to the tight five they would have done much better. Every time you got in their 22 they turned you over.
I've got South Africa in the office sweep stake but, as above, I think France will win it. Allez les Bleus.
It should have been a routine win.
Lol!
Good to see Jambalaya taking England's defeat well. Expect to see the attempted murder of Mike Brown grow as a reason for their entire campaign going to pot quite soon.
France are always fascinating to watch as you are never sure what side is going to turn up.
I think that's old thinking as now France are just bish, bash, bosh and quite limited in many areas. Still they'll beat Ireland who always choke.
What does France's run to the final look like if they beat Ireland this weekend?
Personally, I think it'll be an Aus v NZ final, with Aus storming into a lead, but NZ coming back to be the first side to win back to back WC's.....and well deserved it'd be imo, the current NZ is just something else!
They'd have ARG in the QF which, looking at them, is bloody far from a gimme. They've looked very strong IMO.
It's very, very likely that aus will beat wales, and I think they'll take the whole tournament.
I am hoping Australia peaked with the england game 😆
Pigface - Member
I am hoping Australia peaked with the england game
I'm hoping that they peak about 5 mins into the Welsh game with 19 phases of stunning running rugby which ends in a ruck where Pocock gets a red for tip-tackling Warbs, at the same time as Foley and Beale run into each other leading to them being replaced. (Note I'm making no predictions about whether Wales can win the ensuing 85mins... 😆 )
Oh well at least Warbs wasn't the last person to be red carded in a World cup as the Uruguayan scrum half managed to get binned slightly idiotically last night. Decent game the Uruguay vs Fiji one, Uruguay put up a really good effort.
It's very, very likely that aus will beat wales, and I think they'll take the whole tournament.
You think they are that good? Without wishing to disrespect England, I thought they flattered Aus. Its true the breakdown perfomance was great at producing turnovers but I thought the rest of it just looked good because England were so lost. If they had put that perfomance in over SA or NZ then I'd be impressed, but beating England doesn't make you awesome.I'm sure they'll beat us, but I'm not convinced about the whole tournament.
I think they are a good bit better than wales, so an emphatic yes to that part.
Never mind the england game, that team has quality running through it, rugby champ winners, recent beating of NZ and they'll be feeling pretty good with the beating of england and wales and a pretty decent route through to the final.
England have been in absolute disarray the whole tournament, and only lost to wales by 3 points.
Never mind the england game, that team has quality running through it, rugby champ winners, recent beating of NZ and they'll be feeling pretty good with the beating of england and wales and a pretty decent route through to the final.
Fair enough.
England have been in absolute disarray the whole tournament, and only lost to wales by 3 points.
Or looking at it from the Welsh perspective, England lost to a Welsh team who had the worst scrum of the 21st century and without key players in key positions. A team that beat England with 3rd choice subs on the field playing out of position, at Twickenham, with a ref who arguably should have given England another two yellows.
Lucky they weren't playing against a decent Welsh team with a brave ref. 😉
Australia are the best team in the tournament based on the games I've seen. Only NZ come close and they were very sloppy in the two games I've seen them play.
SA haven't impressed at all with a loss to Japan and a win over Scotland who offered little.
Or looking at it from the Welsh perspective, England lost to a Welsh team who had the worst scrum of the 21st century and without key players in key positions. A team that beat England with 3rd choice subs on the field playing out of position, at Twickenham, with a ref who arguably should have given England another two yellows.Lucky they weren't playing against a decent Welsh team with a brave ref.
That just confirms my assertion that england have been in utter disarray. The same England which have beaten Wales' best squad convincingly on successive occasions, home and away on the most recent meetings (pre-RWC). Wales are not good, england are currently very, very bad.
Australia are the best team in the tournament based on the games I've seen. Only NZ come close and they were very sloppy in the two games I've seen them play.
Yes but NZ like to cruise, they will up their game when they need to.
SA haven't impressed at all with a loss to Japan and a win over Scotland wh offered little.
Like NZ they have not been tested properly yet (well apart from Japan but...)
Wales are not good,
Ranked number 3 in the world? It may flatter a little especially with injuries, but to say they aren't good is ridiculous.
Alex Tuilagi suspended for 5 weeks for being tackled whilst running!!
Ok he does lift his knee a bit but surely thats just pumping his legs, tackler is unlucky IMO??
Ranked number 3 in the world? It may flatter a little especially with injuries
A [i]little[/i]?????
Yup, that's why the England loss to Wales was so bad. We lost to a poor team when playing at home in a World Cup and having been 10 points up with 10 (or thereabouts 😉 ) to play. That's why we are in favour of a change in the coaching staff. Wales wouldn't be changing their coach had they lost to England and they won't be if/when they get trounced by Australia and then RSA in the QF. They aren't expected to win either of those and very few really thought they'd beat England
Wales are not good, england are currently very, very bad.
So how good are australia? They ver nearly let england back in until Farrel had a brain dart. Game on for saturday I say. I live in hope rather than expectation but we have a chance.
So this poor team Wales have. Has done what 4th place at last world cup a grand slam and a 6 nations championship whilst the much better england team has?
What has it got to do with england? Nobody was comparing, so stop taking it so personally and spoiling for a fight. This has largely been a great thread so far, please don't ruin it now.
I think Aus vs a full Welsh team would be too close to call. I think Aus will win on Saturday, but I will be cheering for Wales and sincerely hope they win.
Re England - there's been an air of discontent ever since the experimentation failed to find a centre pairing, and since SL found Watson and JJ. We appearred to suddendly have teeth in the backs and a more able 15 looked to be on the cards. However, Burgess appointment, Burrells exclusion and blind faith in Barrit ruined that, Would Woodward have allowed that happen? Add to that the current social media leaks and the perspectivr of a lacklustre disparate coaching teamis relaised. SL always looks stony faced in matches - becuase of the pressure or becuase he is forced to sit next to his bully and cross his fingers that the results go the right way?
My view - SL will tender his resignation if Farrell Snr isn't let go.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/oct/07/alesana-tuilagi-ban-ex-players-appalled ]Another Tuilagi Link[/url]
Seems a crazy decision. I know we need to reduce head injuries, but I'm not sure the player could of done anything differently? Defiantly didn't look like a deliberate knee to the head.
@aa we are speaking about the Welsh team as of right now, at this tournament. As you know I think they where the best team at RWC 2011 and should have won it.
@Krton agreed plus Farrell being replaced by Ford is what energised us prior to the tournament then we changed it.
RFU confirmed Catt and Cipriani had robust words on the training field after Cirpiani learnt he wasn't going to make the squad. Reportedly settled with a handshake.
*winces*
I do believe thats Englands lowest ever world ranking.
@scotroute - as the Kiwis say the only ranking that matters is who is world champion
At least with third in the group, England will automatically qualify for RWC2019. Time to start building the squad now!! 🙂
DD you are Stuart Lancasters spin doctor and I claim my £5
aa we are speaking about the Welsh team as of right now, at this tournament.
Oh right so we are talking about the team that beat England last week?
Come on AA, I think all the England supporters have said the England are a bit crap, and everybody has said they are crapper than us, what do you want to prove here?
I said earlier of Aus
and I think the same applies to us, all you seem to care about is measuring Wales against England and proving that Wales are better. It matters less to me now, we have beaten England enough times in living memory that I prefer to enjoy the contest and the banter. The rest of the country have grown up now, its time you did too, hate is not a nice thing to see. It's also not very Rugby is it.beating England doesn't make you awesome
Apparently Catt and Cipriani had a dust up on the training field. Well that is what 5Live just reported
d everybody has said they are crapper than us,
Well thats obvious, they lost to us at home. But the wailing that they lost to a poor Wales team seems a bit odd when its a Wales team that has won much more than England in the last few years. Its as if the loss to Wales was a massive shock equivalent to Wales beating the All blacks. It wasnt Wales have beaten England plenty of times in recent years and have a core of players who have been playing and winning much morevthan England for a long time.
For example
at's why the England loss to Wales was so bad. We lost to a poor team
Well Wales may be a poor team but what makes the poster think England should beat them?
And what I am trying to understand is why Aus who played a demoralised England who played no better than they did v wales and played such a tic tackitally naive game its almost beyond comprehension are suddenly a great team. Aus very nearly let England back in especially when Phipps came on and started doing a good impersonation of Bergamasco at 9 untill Farrel had his brain fart and saved the day for Aus.
I see you edited whilst I was posting. I dont really give a **** what you think about me to be frank.
Care to point out my hate?
Tbf to AA he's responding to Jambalaya's comments which were very sour grapes routine win my arse
Well I have said exactly this, I don't think Aus are so great. To be honest I just don't enjoy your belligerence, you embarrass me as a fellow countryman. There is pretty good chat on here, do you think you could just be a bit more considerate?
[quote=inigomontoya ]Tbf to AA he's responding to Jambalaya's comments which were very sour grapes routine win my arse
+1 but he should know better than respond to an obvious troll
Care to point out my hate. You accuse me of spouting hate but no doubt expect me to be polite to you. Where have I displayed hate? Any example will do. I suggest its you who need to grow up.
Children, stop it or you're going straight to bed. Without any pudding. Got it?
Well with regard to Jambalaya etc, I just ignore them, I don't object to Englishmen making Arses out of themselves, my husband is one and he does it all the time.
Anyway I think I have spent too much time amongst the English. I watched the Wales England game as the only Welsh person in a little country rugby club in Devon, and after the game all the english bought me drinks and congratulated me. All they could talk of was how brilliant the Wales comeback was. I find it hard to hate people who have such good manners.
Doing a compare and contrast of Jambalaya's posts of here and on the Nasty Party thread is quite amusing.
I think given your logic on here, DC and Osbourne should be booted out. They've had 5.5 years the economy hasn't really recovered and if fact growth is falling again.
So what if there aren't any obvious replacements, get shot now.
Of course cross thread trolling should probably be banned, so I won't do any.
Edit: to dbcooper, what you mean to say is you watched the game with real rugby folk, rather than RWC fans who'll be back watching the other sport shortly. A Scot living in Yorkshire, I used to turn up at the club in a kilt on the Calcutta cup days. Much ribbing in both directions, all good humoured.
That was becoming uncomfortable to watch, poor eagle's, ruthless bokkes, Habana is great to watch
/changes the subject
All they could talk of was how brilliant the Wales comeback was. I find it hard to hate people who have such good manners
Being the only Welsh girl in a pub is an invite to be bought many drinks regardless of the rugby result. I've been to Port Talbot and experience the reputation 1st hand.
Yes, I'm trolling 😉
Without any pudding
...is getting old now Flashy.
Yep, SA just put the US to the sword big time.
There you go again talking about hate. I dont know what you are doing on this thread but I'm talking about some games of rugby. Not sure how hate is involved? Wrecker Kryton Jambo all have opinions sometimes they differ it hardly makes me hate them. It means I disagree. So could you stop talking such shit about me unless you have some examples of my hate?
...is getting old now Flashy.
I think it's entering STW folklore. Might be better to embrace it, maybe?
Fair enough, I've ordered my costume for the STW Christmas ride:
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aaaaaand breathe!!!!
Calm down aa, it's an Internet thread, about rugby, on an obscure cycling forum.
It's a bit unessary!
That's more like it Kryton 🙂
dbcooper - MemberWell I have said exactly this, I don't think Aus are so great.
Well they won the RC (beating the other 3) and thrashed England with some sparkling back play, dominant loose forwards and a crushing scrum. They know their best team and how they're gonna play plus they have a great coach.
Can't see too many downsides........
Wales are a good side too, well coached and also beat England. They have a terrible injury situation and possibly lack enough depth to cover it - although the guys who've come in have been terrific.
Australia have, however, won the last TEN meetings (since 2009) so Wales will have their work cut out.
*Applause for Kryton! *
(FWIW, I think it's entered the hallowed pantheon of STW tropes along with weeing in shoes, pwning with Bombers and itinerant stationery salesmen!)