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No it wasnt but it also wasnt near Liams head
No need to discuss this any more, the citing commisioner has made his decision.
I've not seen the interview but since when did that matter? The Captain should step up and do the interview after a loss, it should be his responsibility. And some of the inane questions these guys get asked, it would try the patience of a saint.
Well exactly, and Brown doesnt have a reputation for patience.This is good from Wigglesworth. Surely anyone bashing Carling will make the welsh happy?
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/29/richard-wigglesworth-will-carling-england-stuart-lancaster ]Wigglesworth quoted in the grauniad[/url]
Careful there toys, there's an England poster on here who can't help treating every word out of Carling's mouth as Gospel.
But there's a reason top teams have ex-League defence coaches and not Will Carling.
That vid exonerates Wood imo.
I still think and have been saying it for some time, if you get a tackle wrong and go high, its your fault. If you lift someone by accident its your fault so why if you try and kick the ball miss and get a head why isnt it your fault? Plenty of others have been cited and banned for kicking people by accident. I think Wood should get a rest for a game.
They are not living it and doing it and I ain’t bothered. They annoy me, piss me off and I am not going to say they don’t. I am just indifferent to how ridiculous some of their chat is
"la la la I can't hear you!"
What is interesting is there seems to be a fairly even split between people saying that the Wales game was a one off that doesn't matter and England are great, and others feeling the direction of the whole team is fundamentally flawed and they've got lucky bumbling along over the past few years. Either way the result of the Aus game is massive for England. I can see them winning just to spite everyone and keep the debate raging on 😆
I think Wood should get a rest for a game.
I think you need to be talkign to MR Maurizio Vancini, he is in charge of citing at ther RWC, the rest of us are quite done with it.
Easy solution to Brown's stable state of mind under pressure. Set a series of impossible high pressure tasks while locked in a room for 6 hours with The Hask (TM). The SAS train listening to recordings of Haskell while blindfolded and diorientated so it must work 😀
From what I've read in the past, Carling was gifted the Captaincy with no evidential qualification and was essentially fairly clueless and couldn't handle the stronger influencers on the pitch when making decisions, so is hardly a likely candidate to spout the words he has.
and others feeling the direction of the whole team is fundamentally flawed and they've got lucky bumbling along over the past few years
Personally I don't think its flawed outside the facts its a one dimensional team that only has the ability to play that single dimension. As was shown with Fiji and with the 2nd half vs Wales, the team is unable/unwilling to adapt on the field to what is in front of them.
Our entire (incorrect if we wanted to win things) strategy should be "just keep on doing what you do, and hopefully win stuff" which we'd look better doing even if we lost.
Yes well DanW I am firmly in the bumbling along they are shite camp, but I like to see a bit of fire and passion so hopefully it will make a difference on Sat.
think you need to be talkign to MR Maurizio Vancini, he is in charge of citing at ther RWC, the rest of us are quite done with it.
Pardon me for trying to discuss rugby on a rugby thread. Maybe its just co incidence that the last two England Wales games have seen welsh players knocked out by englands forwards missing the ball and getting heads.
CARRY THEM HOME ENGLAND!! Hows that? Better?
hat is interesting is there seems to be a fairly even split between people saying that the Wales game was a one off that doesn't matter and England are great, and others feeling the direction of the whole team is fundamentally flawed and they've got lucky bumbling along over the past few years.
Or c england are at about their level. Slightly better than Wales but not a lot.
Who thought up this CARRYTHEMHOME slogan for an England team, playing rugby in england? They are already at home, surely?
Is it more literal and they actually want fans to carry the players to their residential addresses?
Don't get it.
I am firmly in the bumbling along they are shite camp
Me too. England simply don't have the players or the coaches at present.
if you try and kick the ball miss and get a head why isnt it your fault?
You're quite right, it is his fault.. when I say exonerate, I meant it looks like he was going for the ball not the head. But still dangerously reckless.
Issues in the Aus team:
Pardon me for trying to discuss rugby on a rugby thread. Maybe its just co incidence that the last two England Wales games have seen welsh players knocked out by englands forwards missing the ball and getting heads.
You know I am a Welsh girl, born in Swansea, grew up in Abergavenny and Cowbridge, and always support Wales, my brother played for Bridgend and Swansea. With an English Dad and English husband I am very happy to support England when they are playing anyone else but Wales.
What you are doing is not discussing rubgy, it's pushing an agenda to dig at england/troll the england fans on here. Its somewhat unedifying and not something that we ever tolerated in Cowbridge RFC.
Or c england are at about their level. Slightly better than Wales but not a lot.
Umm recent results suggest not.
dbcooper,aa uses the term manshamed so cut him some slack,he obviously has issues 🙂
atthew Morgan (Bristol Rugby), Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues), Tyler Morgan (Newport Gwent Dragons), Jamie Roberts (Harlequins), George North (Northampton Saints), Dan Biggar (Ospreys), Gareth Davies (Scarlets); Gethin Jenkins (Cardiff Blues), Scott Baldwin (Ospreys), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Bradley Davies (Wasps), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys), Dan Lydiate (Ospreys), Sam Warburton (Capt - Cardiff Blues), Taulupe Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons).
Replacements: Ken Owens (Scarlets), Aaron Jarvis (Ospreys), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Luke Charteris (Racing 92), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Lloyd Williams (Cardiff Blues), Rhys Priestland (Bath Rugby), James Hook (Gloucester Rugby)
Dear god the dwarf is at 15!!
hat you are doing is not discussing rubgy, it's pushing an agenda to dig at england/troll the england fans on here. Its somewhat unedifying and not something that we ever tolerated in Cowbridge RFC.
No it isnt trolling at all the lack of a proper discussion on the matter just highlights peoples lack of thought on the matter. If a welsh player had done the kicking i would say the same.
I've been trying to work out the likely Group standings going forward and my head hurts. Basically, if Wales win and England loose next up England are out. But if England win and even if Wales get a bonus point win, the pressure is back on Wales to some extent as they need something against Australia? 😕
I was fine with the discussion up until the point that the citing comissioner made his decision, after that it's pointless to discuss further. This isn't football you know, arguing with the ref is not an option. 8)
Anyway it is obviously not deliberate, everyone who isn't welsh and many welsh agrees on that. Yes possibly the rules need to be revised to place more responsibility on the player, along with many other parts of the game, but I think most agree on that too.
Can we talk about the rugby now?
Scamper from 2 pages back:
If Eng beat Aus, but then Aus beat Wales then thats exactly your scenario.
Wales beat Eng, Eng beat Aus, Aus beat Wales
Then I guess imagine Wales beat Fiji and Eng beat Uruguay.
With no bonus points it would be:
Eng 14
Aus 13
Wales 13
But Eng are reasonably likely to get a BP against Uruguay
Wales the same for Fiji
Aus might get one for just losing to Eng, but less likely to get one for beating Wales, but Wales likely to get one for just losing to Aus
So then it would be
Eng 15
Aus 14
Wales 15All bollocks but amusing to think about.
My predictions however are
Aus min 17 by beating Eng and Wales
Wales beat Fiji with a BP, lose to Aus with a BP so 15
England lose to Aus with a losers BP and beat Uruguay with a BP so [s]12[/s] 11
Dear god the dwarf is at 15!!
😆
Seen this, a_a?
"I still believe that I might play for Wales at some point," he said. "It's why I'm out there improving myself – it's not just to play well for Bristol. Deep down I'd love to pull that Welsh jersey back on, as crazy as that sounds to most people.
"I still believe that I might play for Wales at some point," he said. "It's why I'm out there improving myself – it's not just to play well for Bristol. Deep down I'd love to pull that Welsh jersey back on, as crazy as that sounds to most people
At the current rate of injuries he'll be on the bench for the quarter finals.
The messiah might just return.
#Gav4wales
Scrum V had Andy Robinson in the studio on sunday and asked him about Gav, seing as robbo is now his boss.
Anyone know how the citing appeals procedure works in this WC?
Thinking about the Nadolo citing. He had the ban imposed on Monday, and has 48 hours to lodge an appeal. If they take their time and prepare a case, then lodge the appeal late Wednesday - what happens?
Would they rush through a hearing before Thursday's game?
Would the ban stand until otherwise decided?
Or would he be free to play (in a game they need him in to stay in the tournament) until after the appeal hearing?
I'm with AA on the head thing, seeing as a high tackle even whee the arm rides up is a penalty I think a having boot that makes contact with the head should too. Especially given the concern around head injuries at present.
No its not the rules at the moment and in that case the citing commissioner was probably correct. But that doesn't mean it's right, the rules can be, and are frequently changed why not this one?
as fine with the discussion up until the point that the citing comissioner made his decision, after that it's pointless to discuss further.
I dont think those players who have been cited and banned before for kicking someone by accident wouldnt agree.
Kryton57 - MemberIssues in the Aus team:
Not really.
Skelton's a big loss, size-wise at 25 stone, but not yet an 80 minute every week player. Possibly would have been bench impact sub, but highly unlikely to have started another game.
Also, the Pocock/Hooper back row combo that Cheika's now favouring requires another line-out lock to be selected, skelton's too big to be lifted to high to make him a proper firstline line out choice. Fardy's a good jumper at blindside, but Hooper and Pocock's strengths are elsewhere so picking both needs two lineout locks (which the replacement can do better) rather than a grunt lock.
And they picked 6 back rows in the original squad because Cheika said he wanted two complete teams for the four-day turnaround fixtures, which are now out of the way. It's allowing him to re-balance his squad for the rest of the tournament by gaining a hooker, having started with only 2, and losing a player/position that is already well covered.
Clever management leaves them in a stronger position, IMO.
I've said it before, but...
It's exactly what England should have done with Easter instead of their 3rd choice hooker - who's not going to play a game.
Billy Vunipola's a big loss,possibly best England forward so far, but if Easter was already there instead of an unnecessary hooker, then that loss could have been mitigated by bringing their best hooker - Hartley - back into the squad and strengthening rather than weakening. His ban finished between the Fiji and the Oz game.
If he'd been there at the end on Saturday they might even have been able to throw middle or back...
I'm not convinced Wales will reach the next stage. A bonus point is not certain in the Fiji game and unlikely in the Aussie game.
England will beat Australia.
So loum, are you implying there that the Wallabies are faking an injury to bring another player into the squad as a replacement ? Or did I read that too cynically.
Really enjoying this world cup. Can't wait for Saturday's game.
(you know, to find out who the ABs will face in the final.... :D)
Good analysis loum
hels
No. I'm not.
One's a straight swap - lock for lock.
The other, I see as pre-planned as in - pick 6 back rows originally and swap the first one injured for the spare hooker when the fixtures allow. Modern rugby means it's [i]when[/i] not [i]if[/i].
It just happens that the timing has worked for them, and the first one out is the probable 6th choice, and the entirely legal "gamble" looks to have paid off.
It's not a massive gain for them - nowhere near - just no loss and a slight rebalance. The players' involved are unlikely starters, including those coming in. Not worth cheating over.
It could have been a bigger "win" in England's case 'cos the player concerned would be well worth a place in the 23 at least.
ps the ABs last game will be against a group D team 
IMO, Englands biggest failing against Wales was not having a plan B bench. Also, the lack of Caps showed in the 2nd half when things were going wrong. England had plenty of chances to score deep in the welsh 22 near the end, but failed and lost by 3 points.
WRT dangerous forward play, I noticed plenty of high arms/headlocks in rucks from both sides. Wood was hardly a monster in a sea of angels. Decision made - move on.
Best analysis of why England lost to Wales is by Ted in the [url= http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/sep/28/england-wales-rugby-world-cup-2015 ]Guardian[/url]
What I could not understand from the start was why England did not play: they did score a well worked try from a lineout, which Anthony Watson nearly bungled with a poor pass, but apart from a short-side break by Jonny May in the second half, I cannot remember them getting behind Wales. A team that had ripped defences apart in the Six Nations failed to attack. Why? Because they set out not to lose rather than to win?Most of the time they kicked the ball aimlessly downfield seeming to hope Wales would self-destruct. Barritt looked like a fish out of water at outside-centre, even though he has played there before for England, and frankly Burgess was little better on the inside. Wales exploited the pairing defensively: while Burgess was direct and straight in the first half, Barritt was holding and pushing wide, leaving a gap for the explosive Scott Williams.
After the break, they tried to stay connected by pushing up together straight, but that left huge space on the outside channels which Wales took advantage of superbly to create their try (Owen Farrell was at that stage playing at 12). There is no question that Jonathan Joseph was sorely missed, but I cannot understand why England’s attacking strategy was stuck in the stands with him.
he'd been there at the end on Saturday they might even have been able to throw middle or back...
I thought that too.
RT dangerous forward play, I noticed plenty of high arms/headlocks in rucks from both sides. Wood was hardly a monster in a sea of angels. Decision made - move on.
Given how hot the video refs have been on neck rolls I find this suprising.
Fiji: Talebula; Nagusa, Goneva, Botia, Tikoirotuma; Volavola, Kenatale; Ma'afu, Koto, Saulo, Cavubati, Nakarawa, Waqaniburoto, Qera, Talei.Replacements: Veikoso, Peni Ravia, Atalifo, Soqeta, Ravulo, Seniloli, Matavesi, Murimurivalu
No Matawalu or Nadolo big bonus for Wales. Worried about this game.
I really don't think Wales have anything to worry about against Fiji. It'll be a bonus point win, easily.
I have seen us lose to worse
Yeah, I know, but at the StagNHennium, massive support, Gatling galvanising the team in adversity telling the media that he's never had such an injury ridden squad and how Fiji are the team that his players most like to beat... 🙂
It'll be a hammering.
I have seen us lose to worse
Many, many times unfortunately.
BJ
A team like Fiji is normally the one Gatland lets Hook start against in order to get a battering and not damage the players he actually likes 😆 Probably a big part of the reason these games are often close too
Wales are equally capable of winning by 60 or losing 😕
An even funnier video along the lines of Brown picking on Warbs from the archives (although Goliath started this one)...
This day, 29th september, eight years back
Hoping for another exciting game (Hook was there too, i think)...
other news - Kearney's pain in the bum...
Today, Ireland’s medical team say the scan showed ‘a mild gluteal strain’ and while the 29-year-old completed a moderated training session in the gym today, he is expected to return to the field tomorrow and is expected to be in contention to face Italy on Sunday.
Keith Earls and Robbie Henshaw will also be available to head coach Joe Schmidt. The Munster wing has completed the third stage of mandatory testing after sustaining a knock to his neck on Sunday.
Henshaw, the only remaining member of Schmidt’s 31-man squad yet to pull on a matchday jersey, is in full training after shaking off a hamstring worry.
I have seen us lose to worse
Quite. I remember being at the Arms Park for the 15-9 loss to Romania in 1988.
Dark, dark days.
I don't see Wales losing on thursday, these are quite different times thankfully.
Tonga Vs Namibia is proving to be quite good fun.
http://www.torialyons.co.uk/2015/09/25/how-to-avoid-embarrassing-yourself-at-the-rugby/
Caution - Contains the words "massive gash"
And some other naughty words, too.
DO NOT EVER PRETEND YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SCRUMMAGING unless you are a twenty-year veteran prop, and even then you’re probably not au fait with the current laws and how they are applied haphazardly
Ha, this is true. I think everything I used to do is now outlawed. Including hooking the ball apparently.
Liking that rugby guide.
I had a minor work triumph at work today, the loser in my triumph coincidentally happened to be Welsh. I patted him gently on the back of the head. 😛
Rumours that The Chosen One has been dropped for the Australia game.
Hope so. JJ in with Slade on the bench then? Gah telegraph say Burgess on the bench. Shite.
England team to face Australia (probable): M Brown; A Watson, J Joseph, B Barritt, J May; O Farrell, B Youngs/R Wigglesworth; J Marler, T Youngs, D Cole, J Launchbury, G Parling, T Wood, C Robshaw, B Morgan. Replacements: R Webber, M Vunipola, K Brookes, G Kruis, J Haskell, Richard Wigglesworth/D Care, G Ford, S Burgess.
There we have it.
SL's selection process:
Barritt at 12.
Plays shit.
Put him at 13.
Plays shit.
Put him back to 12.
Repeat.
Is Henry Slade actually a person or is he just a made up name (King of England + 70s Rock Band) that's been added to the squad to satisfy the RWC requirement of 31?
Another thing - they bring in Easter but don't put him the 23?
So they could have brought in someone else. Maybe a hooker who can throw in straight and scrummage strongly?
Just a thought......
Woah woah woah.... too many changes in the centres is a defensive gamble. It's not like England have used many different combinations there over the past few years 😀
I am kind of thinking that the way to beat Australia is to try and play the traditional England strategy but execute better than they did against Wales. What I can see happening is that they go for a more free running backline and keep Lawes and try and beat Australia by playing like Australia-Lite.
Launchbury has to be in for me and I wouldn't be upset to see Haskell start. Sure he's an annoying penalty magnet but so are the other forwards lately. At least he bring a bit of strong running that will be missing with Billy V injured. Is Morgan fit again? I hate to say it but Slade - Burgess or Slade - JJ sounds good. Untested though so it won't happen. Ben Youngs needs to stay on for 80. Robshaw needs a massive game as a captain first and foremost
LC is seriously twitchy for this game, with good reason.
I'd like to see;
Marler, George, Brookes, Parling, Launchbury, Robshaw, Morgan, Haskell, Care, Farrell, Slade, Joseph, May, Brown, Watson
Perhaps for the Uruguay game? I won't hold my breath.
Sounds ideal to me Wrecker, bar Care (not in the squad is he???) and Youngs has been playing pretty well and seems to be one of the few to visibly give a sh1t on the pitch
Gordon Darcy makes an interesting analysis of the Eng centre options. He really isn't a fan of Burgess
Tweet from Jonathan Kaplan
I'd like to see if the England pack is square on the loose head side ... just the once
(probable)
Speculation.
First thing they should, but won’t, do is push someone down a stairs and get Steffon Armitage over from France. Their centre partnership, if Jonathan Joseph is injured, should be Luther Burrell and Henry Slade. Of course, that won’t happen either because Burrell didn’t make the squad.Good luck outwitting Cheiks.
That is a good write up from D'Arcy
BM, ahem, [i]D'arcy[/i]...one of those dodgy French fleckers. 😀
Anyway, I liked:
First thing they should, but won’t, do is push someone down a stairs and get Steffon Armitage over from France.
EDIT: oops...that's what I get for taking a phone call before posting.
DanW got in a full sixteen minutes before me. 😆
Steffon Armitage couldn't handle the pace of international rugby. I've seen him play quite a bit over the last few seasons and Inwouodnt out him in the England squad
England where a coupe of decisions / break of the ball from winning the game last Saturady quite comfortably, 10 or 20 points even. A further high pressure game to come but still favourites for it and then all the pressure is back on Wales to beat a side the e proven incapable of beating.
A further high pressure game to come but still favourites for it
Really? Is that you not displaying any of that English arrogance that doesn't exist?
to be fair, not his words but Cheika's.
england are favourites????
Really? Is that you not displaying any of that English arrogance that doesn't exist?
To be fair, if you look at the whole picture England should be favourites - home advantage, player resources, bookies odds, the fact that England are so confident that they can play with 14 men and A N Other from a completely different sport*. However they seem to have forgotten about actually winning the game.
*rumour is that they've found a world class badminton player who can slot in at 9. Or maybe prop. Money may have changed hands.
😆
Engaland are 4/6
Oz are 5/4
That makes Engaland favourites.
And Cheiks' says so.
But it's not that fact that matters.
It's the fact that Engaland fans* feel the need to boast of being favourites, remind everyone that they nearly didn't lose, and claim the pressures's back on Wales.
*discaimer - not all of them
loum - Member(probable)
Speculation.
Well the DT seem to have an inside track on England selections....
Carling again? 😉
The Dt seem to always know the "probable" team waaay before selection. It's not for me to suggest that Cleary is a mouthpiece for the england to justify their selections......
So, do we like Matthew Morgan or not?
I like Morgan. Because he's so short 6 Fijians will be sent off for high tackles before half time. 😀
😀
And to paraphrase Jiffy, he could side step you in a phone box.
Morgan at full back fills me with dread. He does some great things sometimes but he cannot tackle that is a full backs first job.
Harsh words from Darcy, but probably correct. If we lose the only way out of this for Robshaw and Lancaster is:
a) Lancaster coughs up that Burgess was paid by the RFU to play, whereas he wanted Burrell but the decision was out of his hands.
b) England win with a bonus point, and go on the at least be in the Final, if not win it, if England are winning vs Aus, Slade comes on and scores, JJ can't continue in the RWC so Burrell is called up to pair with Slade. Barriet falls down the stairs in a training accident and Hartley is called up.
I note Mike Catt has been quoted of saying that the best way to beat Australia is to keep hold of the ball. Shit the bed Mike, you remembered that from all those years ago...?
Sorry, but I have zero sympathy for Steffon. He knew the rules, and still signed for Toulon again. I do not remotely believe that he would suddenly turn England into a good team. I can see an argument for him at 7 and robshaw at 6, but I'm not convinced it would make a huge difference.
Morgan at full back fills me with dread. He does some great things sometimes but he cannot tackle that is a full backs first job.
I was expecting him to go on the wing...