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Yeah. That was crap.
Picky? He didn't get the ball across the line, and not a single camera angle showed any evidence that he did. The tmo made the wrong decision. Again.
If I was an England fan, I would be shitting myself after that performance
If I were a welsh fan, I'd be shitting myself about the fiji game.
Picky? He didn't get the ball across the line
It was very, very clearly on the line. Try.
Mrs Torso will be pleased you're not then ?
Let alone that the ball was lost forward at least once if not twice in the build up.
Anyway, well done England, came good in the last ten to secure the bonus point. Having seen that performance, the group is going to be even more interesting than I thought. Gatling will be licking his lips I reckon.
Mrs Torso will be pleased you're not then ?
She would have been last week 😆
Gatling will be licking his lips I reckon.
I very much doubt that. Fiji will eat them.
Can't wait for the canada game tomorrow.
Picky? He didn't get the ball across the line, and not a single camera angle showed any evidence that he did. The tmo made the wrong decision. Again.
Doesn't need to, touching the line is good for a try
Who's your second team them? USA in this house 🙂
Anyone playing Scotland.
EDIT: not really - Georgia is my second team.
RSA first then Wales
Samoa for me. Keen on the canadians too.
Picky? He didn't get the ball across the line, and not a single camera angle showed any evidence that he did. The tmo made the wrong decision. Again.
You didn't watch the replay from the pitch side angle then ?
What about Fiji means they will "eat Wales"? England played absolutel sh1t and gave away a record amount of turnovers (maybe 🙂 ), had an anonymous pack, Fiji missed 11 points, etc etc. if Fiji will "eat" Wales then England must be world beaters to get a win under those circumstances
What makes you think that wales will play any better? Injuries to key players. Losses to england home and away consecutively. I understand that you're confident, I don;t think you should be. Fiji are a very good team.
Going back to an earlier post, is May allowed to leap in the air at a tackler like he did?
He didn't. He vaulted a tackle and had a crack at the line. Nothing wrong with it.
No
England were turned over repeatedly at the breakdown. Still, fortunately the other teams in the group don't have any good 7s...
Some poor scrummaging early on too.
If Fiji had kicked their goals the game would have been a lot tighter.
At least Burgess saved us in the end. No matter that he got stepped easily when defending - other sides won't have noticed so it's ok.
BTW can anyone explain to me why Barritt isn't totally shite?
Barritt is rushed back from injury, non?
At least Burgess saved us in the end. No matter that he got stepped easily when defending - other sides won't have noticed so it's ok.
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Barritt is rushed back from injury, non?
What - so he can trundle round the pitch in his yellow boots, throwing forward passes and getting angry about giving away mindless penalties and doing nothing to resemble an international centre.
Just spotted the cup and 2003 logo on the England shirt. Tacky.
Did you not watch any of the 2007 and 2011 tournaments? Previous winners have had them since then. Not sure about 2003 and earlier, but it's neither new or just England.
Fiji are a very good team.
No disrespect to them, but with their naivety in the second half, and with their scrum slowly falling apart, potential world beaters like England shouldn't have been needing a dodgy try when the clock went red to get their bonus point.
They'll be no pushover for Wales, but if Wales dare to move the ball, they could hammer them. England shouldn't have been turned over that many times by such an inexperienced side.
Anyway...it'll be a cracking group - honestly no idea how it'll shape up by the end. 😀 In a way, it's a pity every group couldn't have the same knife edge.
Thought Barritt was poor too.
If the welsh play warrenball against this lot, they'll find themselves in a spot of bother, especially without the excellent JD2 to add a bit of sparkle. George won't get any change from Nadolo and roberts will just get dumped time after time. Fiji's defence was excellent and they obviously know who to target. It won't be a big score.
A good win and a potential banana skin avoided, I fancy Figi will give both Wales and Australia a good game and a fright. We where good enough to win comfortably with players being rested from 50 minutes, enough for coaches to work on and keep side grounded.
I see the trolls and heaters are in tonight, nothing unusual there.
As per @CFH this much TMO is going to make for a very long tournament
"Can the idiot commentator please stop calling him NANDOLO. It's Nadolo you numpty."
In Fijians "d" is pronounced "nd", so for example Nadi is pronounced Nandi etc
I'll take the bonus point win and no injuries any day of the week. No trophies given out in the first week of a tournament, but you can lose it.
Banana skin avoided, now the big stuff starts. Are there losing BP in RWC2015?
Cole needs to be dropped for Brookes, Youngs for Care and I'm not even sure about Ford now. Launch was good.
Hate to say it, but Burgess played well too.
Nadolo didn't look all that quick to me, just brutal.
Banana skin avoided, now the big stuff starts. Are there losing BP in RWC2015?
1 pt for losing by less than 7, something like that. And presumably the point for 4 tries even if you you lose.
....they'll win the game comfortably, without a dodgy bonus point and having to rely on a[s] crooked [/s]ref, like the English.If the welsh play warrenball against this lot,
Btw, talking about dodgy tries - and England had two - why was Wood not carded for his neck roll, which is just as serious as the pathetic tip tackle which earned the Fijian 12 minutes off the pitch. (12 minutes! Almost like the officials want England to win. 😆 )
....they'll win the game comfortably, without a dodgy bonus point and having to rely on a crooked ref, like the English.
I very much doubt that. And they say the [i]english[/i] are arrogant?
The fijian didn't get carded for the tip tackle on may.
Collapsing the maul to stop a certain try wasn't it?
It was for offside. Didn't think you could be offside once you're over the try line but there you go.
Apols. 😆
Tbf, I don't think the ref was crooked - but he missed a lot. And the point that no trophies are awarded at the beginning of a tournament made up there ^^ is very true. England have a bonus point and didn't lose anybody to injury. But as ever, the debate rages on about who should be in the starting 15. The three games between England, Australia and Wales seem even more mouthwatering for a neutral (loike me 😀 ) now.
Actually, apologies, it was for pulling the maul down but having just watched it again, he didn't. But he was only off for 11 minutes. 🙂
No, I don't really think the ref was crooked 😆 , just a bit crap. England didn't deserve a bonus point, and that will make a difference in a few weeks. Home advantage.
the debate rages on about who should be in the starting 15.
Ansolutely, and it'd lancasters fault. England will be lucky to get past the quarters (I think we'll make the quarters).
Someone suggested earlier that Cole is a busted flush, and I agree. He's surviving on reputation. Brookes has been shining in the prem for a long while now. I have no idea at all why Ben Youngs starts and Care doesn't even make the bench. It's bad enough that Cipriane was sent home, and now it looks like Slade (whilst retained) won't even get a crack. JJ only made the squad through an opportunity through injury to the incumbent.
Lancaster is far too conservative.
On that, why isn't Cave in the ireland squad for the game? He looked excellent last I saw of him.
d squad for the game? He looked excellent last I saw of him.
Joe quoted in Irish press as saying he knows what Cave can do and he will play against Romania
why isn't Cave in the ireland squad for the game?
He seems as popular with the Irish team as Hook is with Wales... not that the talent comparison is necessarily equal (Cave the better player of course)
Joe quoted in Irish press as saying he knows what Cave can do and he will play against Romania
😯
I thought the best angle for that final try was the one just about over head so no shortening of the lense like in cricket. It looked short but the TMO only used that angle once.
Yeah, not sure about Cave. Thankfully, it's Joe leaving him out now, otherwise we'd have the Orangemen talking about conspiracies again. 😀 For some reason, Schmidt doesn't seem very keen on him - personally, I think we have a lot of very good centres with not a lot to separate them, but no one stands out as world class yet (obviously BOD's boots are hard to fill - and I don't mean to bring him up mistily eyed, honestly). I honestly can't complain massively when one gets chosen over another because it's difficult to tell what the best combinations are. I guess Schmidt is working on consistent pairings. **** knows though... 🙂
In Joe we trust and all that shite...
(Never been past the QFs and that's not going to change this time.)
Is cave orange? I thought that was just gav?
Dies Joe even know what Orange is (in the context of Ireland)
Keep him in the crowd! Seems odd to me, he looked like a game changer when I've seen him play; smart, good hands, ****s along.
Oh Cripes...did anyone just see that bit comparing the two Hakas on Newsnight? 😆
I've no idea when the old one was but it from from British Pathé footage. Please someone have a look at it on iplayer.
😆 😆 😆
Is that the embarrassing limp hands one? It's excellent, and should be rolled out at every opportunity 😀
It looked short but the TMO only used that angle once.
Overall, I don't think the TMO adds any value to the game. Two tries tonight are disputed, and no less with the benefit of replays.
This morning, Taranaki v Waikato, two interesting TMO interventions. One, the tackled player places the ball clearly backwards but the tackler catches it with his shin and knocks it forward. Try wrongly disallowed for a knock on. Later, a prop punches Charlie Gnatai three times in the face but the TMO recommends a penalty only. Wtf?
Last week, an Irish region player catches a cross field kick to score. Ref asks tmo if that player is on-side, tmo looks at the wrong player and declares that all is good. Actual player is off-screen, probably on-side but we'll never know because the (Welsh) tmo is crap.
@wrecker, no, I was just taking the pish from when Ulster fans whinged constantly when O'Sullivan was only selecting Munster and Leinster players.
Last week, an Irish region player...
Come and have a sit down with me in pedants corner IdleJon. We don't have "regions". We have provinces. 😛
We have provinces.
Not used to so much alcoholllk, and being in interwbx at this tome of night.. 😆
😀
And he MUST have been offside, being Irish and all. 😆
Two tries tonight are disputed, and no less with the benefit of replays.
The first one was clearly a knock on by matawalu. Not sure what the second one was.
Has a_a been stroked with the banhammer on the opening weekend of the RWC?!? 😯 (Hopefully not, but he went very quiet after a mention of a post deletion.)
Anyway...thought the Inverdale fans might like this from the guardian review of ITV's coverage:
While ITV has employed former players of various nationalities to peddle opinion on their World Cup coverage, any pretence it was going to be anything other than totally chariot-centric was quickly put to bed when John Inverdale, a presenter who could scarcely bawl “Home Counties” more loudly if he was shouting through a megaphone fashioned from a rolled-up copy of the Daily Telegraph, introduced an all-English panel of studio experts comprised of Jonny Wilkinson, Sir Clive Woodward and Lawrence Dallaglio.
😆
Full review here: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/18/itv-rugby-world-cup-coverage-fiji-england?CMP=share_btn_tw
@wrecker if we win the group (which I think we will) we play Scotland in QF so we should be good for a SF. That's my base case expectation.
g forward passes and getting angry about giving away mindless penalties and doing nothing to resemble an international
That was my observation too. I've a feeling AA retorted to my comedy Welsh language post, but cmon mods he may be Spikey in disguise but he makes a good contribution to this thread. let him back in time for next week at least.
If the welsh play warrenball against this lot, they'll find themselves in a spot of bother, especially without the excellent JD2 to add a bit of sparkle. George won't get any change from Nadolo and roberts will just get dumped time after time. Fiji's defence was excellent and they obviously know who to target. It won't be a big score.
Fiji are a average side. Wales should beat them. Having said that they made a lot of errors last night so can improve a lot. They will also have targetted the Wales game ever since the pool was decided. Walescare certainly capable of losing it though.
Having said all that if England are stupid enough to try and go wide early v Fiji as they did all last night to very little effect, their scrum remains as weak as last night, Ford fails to dominate the game and get itbplayed in the right areas and they persist with Morgan over Billy V then Wales have a real chance v england.
I still think england will top the group with Aus second but England have a lot of work to do.
Oh and Nadolo plays left wing so wont be v North.
My post got deleted for trying to get round the swear filter. It was an error on my part. I was just making a joke re Inverdales slip of the tongue on the horse racing a year or so ago.
Very NSFW
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KnXZjd22Gro
Kryton57 - MemberThat was my observation too. I've a feeling AA retorted to my comedy Welsh language post,
You do seem to view the Welsh in much the same way Jam views the Scots.
Wee point of law, the reason you get the "Is there any any reason I can't award the try?" Line is because once it is awarded there is no going back. He did loose control,but the ref gave it. His appetite will be gone this morning as his appraisal will be negative.
As DD said, job done by Engerland...But as the risk of being one of the great political thinkers " bitter heaters" England will not win the group playing like that. The defence was poor and even the set piece will need work,Marler hinged from first to last; that will be noticed. The really big teams would be controlled against Fiji, England didn't do that last night.
Oh,and inverdale is just doing the England games,right?
Whatever you think of the TMO or anything else for that matter on the game last night... I think it is hard to disagree that the outcome completely flattered England.... and in one sense I guess that is the most positive sign of all for them.
Poor coverage and overuse of the tmo spoiled the game. Also found the repeated explanation of basic rugby a bit wearing, but I guess this competition will have all and sundry watching.
Did think the ref was slightly in England's favour. Re. The (correctly) disallowed try, I had a google and while you used not to be allowed to repeal them, you can now on advice of the touch judge. However in this case it seemed from the tv coverage / commentators that he sent it to the tmo after seeing the big screen, not on advice of the touch judge? So it was illegally disallowed?
@duckman re Sots, either you are confusing me with someone else or mixing up my views on the snp as applying to all scots. 55% of Scots ticked the correct box in Sep 2014 so I'm very happy about that, the 45% that didnt are entitled to make that choice
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May seemed to be at the centre of most of the dodgy calls (knock on, forward pass, jumping in to the tackle, etc). Of course these are just in the non-English imagination 😉 😆
I also found it quite funny how the commentary were backing Tom Youngs so much- every time he dropped the ball or did something daft they blamed another player for his mistake 😆
May seemed to be at the centre of most of the dodgy calls
Aaaaaah, I though the vid was to show brown being tackled around the neck.
Tom Youngs. Can't hook, can't throw. He must be really good at downing yards of ale or something.
We don't care @aa. 😉
The performance and result yesterday is far more preferable than our 0-36 in 2007. Tricky game out of the way, with a better goal kicking performance they would have been many more twitchy moments. Yesterday reminded me a bit if the 2007 QF where they got to 20-20 against RSA just let it slip towards the end where they run out of puff and don't have the kicking / positional game. Hopefully Figi will produce a big performance against Wales or Australia,. I feel for them being in this group as they are good enough for a QF really
So - who's watching what today?
adamhicks - Member"Can the idiot commentator please stop calling him NANDOLO. It's Nadolo you numpty."
In Fijians "d" is pronounced "nd", so for example Nadi is pronounced Nandi etc
Darn, I pondered (for a second) but everybody else was referring to him as Nadolo. Bugger.
molgrips - MemberSo - who's watching what today?
I'm watching my work computer screen until 3, then cycling home to a wife who is already planning to divorce me (for making a really nice meal last night, believe it or not 😆 ) and trying to persuade her that a full night of rugby is the way forward...
"To be truthfully honest with you, I didn't know that bonus points counted in the World Cup," Vunipola said.
What does this tell us about the coaching and on field leadership?
It's ok, the commentary reported he is eating fewer Jelly Babies and has lost 7kg as a result. Coaching and professionalism at its finest 😆 (or maybe commentary 😉 )
You do seem to view the Welsh in much the same way Jam views the Scots.
I'm just being antagonistic, very childish of me.
Tom Youngs. Can't hook, can't throw.
He used to be a centre - maybe they should try him at 12? Seeing as Lancaster seems to have tried every other c**t there.
Did he play League though? 😉
Did he play League though?
Aaaaaah! I hadn't thought of that. Good point.
He couldn't, therefore, follow in the footsteps of those luminaries who've played at inside centre for England in RWCs such as Andy Farrell and Shontayne Hape.
What does this tell us about the coaching and on field leadership?
Kinda what we already knew..... 😕
It's so annoying. The only go forward 12 we have is Burgess, who's shown a shocking defence. Barrit was practically invisible, even Robshaw looked less obvious. I think there were two phases of forwards carrying it up, the rest of the time we were throwing it around.
I thinking the players need to be left to play they game they know, like not or not. I suspect it's "tactical play" that's pushing them outside our own strengths. Forget the bollocks and crack on as usual, win or lose.
Mike Brown can't win the World Cup on his own, although obviously he's going to give it a crack.
*All* England had to do was get the forwards to keep taking it up the middle, control the game and pick off the inevitable penalties and gaps from indiscipline/ tiredness. They didn't do any of that and still got a bonus point win which is probably more than they would have gotten from playing Fiji *properly*- some kind of hidden genius in the strategy there!