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He dropped it, the twerp.
Fiji getting the rough end of the TMO here. Right decision, I suppose.
And....if the rest of the tournament has this much reliance on the TMO, I'll be watching paint dry instead. Rugby really isn't helping itself here.
lolz
This ref is awful. Surely if he has given the try he cant go back?
Fiji wouldn't have been penalised for no arms clearing the ruck if the ref had done his job and penalised Robshaw for hands in the ruck.
He was on his feet and entitled to compete for the ball.
They really are looking like world beaters.
Someones got their period!
May was absolutely skinned there! Unlucky for fiji that matey dropped the ball, would have been a great try (wood being held notwithstanding)
This ref is awful. Surely if he has given the try he cant go back?
Seen this happen a couple of times recently. Weird.
Home replay advantage 😉
Some step from the Scrum Half though - nearly as good as Stringer that.
Ok, Mr Engraver, keep going.
Surely if he has given the try he cant go back?
That was my understanding, too. Would welcome a STWRefOpinion if we can!
Lovely try. Good for nandolo, watsons had him in his pocket all game so far!
Well, maybe just do "---land" for now. 
He was on his feet and entitled to compete for the ball.
Until the ruck is formed, and the ruck was definitely formed seeing as Fiji were penalised for clearing the ruck. Basic rule of rugby - no hands in a ruck. 😉
He was on his feet and entitled to compete for the ball.
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The ref was telling him to release.
It's nice to see the teams going for tries. There was a spell where Rugby seemed to be trying to turn itself into football, which really wasn't right
The ref was telling him to release.
Did he have his hands on it?
This ref is awful. Surely if he has given the try he cant go back?
Interesting decision. Ref got it right in the end, but weird to go back after seeing the replay on the big screen. English bloke doing the in stadium replays, obviously :p
Has the England scrum looked a bit suspect in the first half? I'm guessing Fiji's will tire in the second half but I was expecting more dominance from England.
d he have his hands on it?
Cant release if you havent got hands on can you?
No idea how england got a pen atvthe end there for May holding on!
Marler seems to have some angle going on every scrum!
England pack don't really seem to be in the game, suspect scrums, lost lineouts, generally getting smashed....
DD, the Fijian tighthead is a beast. When he's on form, he can seriously mess up the opposition scrum.
I agree though, expected more from the English tight five in the scrum.
Not a good sign to get pushed off your own ball on your 5m line. However I suspect the concentration is not what it should be.
Disappointed for the Figi 9 he didn't get that down, deserved a try.
Half and I'm pissed wahey!!!!
England have been as expected....a much weaker pack than we were expecting 12 month back and a load of backs that keep dropping the ball. At least Ben Youngs has perfected the art of passing at the floor....that's something to be happy about!
Our packs rubbish, and the rest disjointed. Individual talent yes but there is a lack of shape and cohesion.
I though may did very well, intelligent play. I saw nothing wrong with robshaws form, and i didn't hear the ref shout "Ruck; hands off", whether it was a ruck or not, no hands and the fijian was going to get penalised (correctly).
Thoughts; B Youngs is shovelling shit and I still don't know how he gets a start over Care. The fijian OC is giving JJ no space whatsoever, and england aren't dealing with it very well. Ford looks flustered and the scrum is creaking. Game is wide open.
Wilkinson only one on ITV worth listenning to
Once you've given the try, it has to be given
Oh crap. I agree with Woodward.
If England play like this v aus or wales and the ref is halfway competant they will be in trouble. Sadly I doubt they will!
Oh crap. I agree with Woodward
Me too. I need a bath
If England play like this v aus [s]or wales[/s] and the ref is halfway competant they will be in trouble. Sadly I doubt they will!
FTFY!!!! 😀
and Flasheartoh crap. I agree with Woodward.
Onc a try is given play should continue IMO but I seem to remember from when this last came up (Walsh?) that the ref is entitled to reverse their decision so long as the conversion hasn't been taken???? I hope the TMO suffers technical problems for the rest of the rwc
Even world beaters have to have an off day - England just getting theirs out of the way early. I expect them to run away with it in the second half.
FTFY!!!!
Although to be fair. Big backs and high pressure defence is what wales do. Gatwards will be loving this!
OC is giving JJ no space whatsoever, a
Didn't someone on tv mention the JJ was going to give Goneva the runaround? 😆
That first half was far too long - games shouldn't take almost 2 hours.
I'm confused,why was the Fiji "try" disallowed? The ball came out of his hand for a split second but then he touched it when it was on the ground as far I could see.
[i]A try is scored when a player touches the ball down inside the opposition's in-goal area between the try line and dead ball line.
Touch the ground with the ball - the player touches the ground with the ball while holding it in the hand or arms. No downward pressure is required.
Press down on the ball - if the ball is on the ground in the in-goal area the player must apply downward pressure "with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the body from waist to neck inclusive".[/i]
Didn't someone on tv mention the JJ was going to give Goneva the runaround?
If they did, they were pissed. Goneva has been the form centre in the prem for about 2 seasons now. He is a truly exceptional player. If he were a kiwi or aussie, peeps would be all over his dick.
I'm confused,why was the Fiji "try" disallowed? The ball came out of his hand for a split second but then he touched it when it was on the ground as far I could see.
A try is scored when a player touches the ball down inside the opposition's in-goal area between the try line and dead ball line.
Touch the ground with the ball - the player touches the ground with the ball while holding it in the hand or arms. No downward pressure is required.Press down on the ball - if the ball is on the ground in the in-goal area the player must apply downward pressure "with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the body from waist to neck inclusive".
The grounding was fine. Because he's dropped it the ball has traveled forward, so it's a knock on (I think). Personally I think it should of been given anyway. That situation, imo, is no different to a player accidentally juggling the ball while running (and keeping possession despite the juggle)
In England's last game v Ireland N Owens told Ford that if he was given instruction by the TMo before the conversion then he was allowed to look at it. Better to get the right decision than not due to a technicality.
The grounding was fine. Because he's dropped it the ball has traveled forward, so it's a knock on (I think). Personally I think it should of been given anyway. That situation, imo, is no different to a player accidentally juggling the ball while running (and keeping possession despite the juggle)
No, the grounding wasn't fine - he dropped the ball forward so had no control. The difference with a player juggling is that they must regain control before the ball touches the ground or another player. Try shouldn't stand but the ref was too hasty awarding it.
Ah, but did it travel forward?
Just spotted the cup and 2003 logo on the England shirt. Tacky.
Ref got that one right. Poor form by Wood. It's about time they got a grip of it.
Are players that thick that they think neck rolls are ok despite the fact that everyone knows they are being targeted?
[quote=CaptainFlashheart said]Just spotted the cup and 2003 logo on the England shirt. Tacky.
None of the other home nations would stoop that low.
I'm not convinced about this using the video replay to change all the decision making, even if with hindsight it's correct
FFS - this game is taking forever!
No, the grounding wasn't fine - he dropped the ball forward so had no control.
Ah, fair play. I dispute that momentarily losing contact with the ball demonstrates a lack on control (when combined with downward pressure a fraction of a second later), but I suspect that's what the law says.
What a massive buzzkill having those tedious speeches before the game was. Why don't people ever tell them no?
If Fiji just had a little more nous when they turn the ball over they could mount dangerous counter attacks.
How many kicks have Fiji missed now?
Otherwise you could throw the ball forward and tap it down at the last. Correct call by the Tv ref. Th erfe was wrong to stick his arm up straight away. Also incorrect to penalise england for holding on there.
Never mind, the saviour of rugby has just come on.....
Can the idiot commentator please stop calling him NANDOLO. It's Nadolo you numpty.
Is Nadolo the chunkiest place kicker in the RWC? I'm loving him! 😀
Is Nadolo the chunkiest place kicker in the RWC? I'm loving him!
Languid. Lovely!
England should score 20 points in the last 15 as Fiji look tired.
Farrell already ingratiating himself with the ref. Didn't take long. 🙂
England looking second rate here. Youngs good, Watson good and that's about it. Back row very quiet.
Christ.
Wood's quiet (and well off form), Billy and Robshaw both playing well. I'd have subbed Cole, oh they have and sudden;y won a scrum......
Never mind Kryton. The Barbour brigade will #carrythemhome in the last ten.
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England looking second rate here. Youngs good, Watson good and that's about it. Back row very quiet.Christ.
Don't worry! The Saviour is on the pitch now! He's probably out of position, but still.
Otherwise you could throw the ball forward and tap it down at the last
Just like that England try 🙂
Forward pass off the floor surely?
HAVE SOME OF THAT!
Lovely try.
Can we have more Mike Browns in the backs? Too many have been unimpressive.
A win is a win tho!
Phew.
Looked forward from May but oh well
Looked forward from May but oh well
New Zealand Flat.
England rampant apparently.....
and the previous pass, I thought, but no TMO intervention, of course. 🙄Forward pass off the floor surely?
Forward pass off the floor surely?
Looked like a knock on in the contact to win the ball from Fiji to start the move in the first place. No reply from the TV guy though.
No video replay of the forward pass? What a surprise!
There wasn't a forward pass.......
Get in! Hopefully. ..
May can't jump in to the tackle like that!
Cant award the try there. But I have a feeling it will be.
Wrong decision.
Bollocks, we could've done without that bonus point.
And it is.
May can't jump in to the tackle like that!
The TMO will now review it, before the conversion. Don't worry.
Oh.
Hahaha, there are some picky people tonight!!!
TRY!!! All day every day
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Hope you all enjoyed that!!!!!!!!
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no reason not to award it. check yourselves
If I was an England fan, I would be shitting myself after that performance